Re: [Trisquel-users] I am looking to build my first computer.
Does Inatux's hardware require nonfree software? If yes, then we should remove Inatux from the list of vendors in the Documentation. Also, how do we know that their hardware requires nonfree software (if this is so).
Re: [Trisquel-users] I am looking to build my first computer.
http://inatux.com/ lists two computers. Both have AMD APUs with integrated Radeon GPUs, which work either showing a black screen and hanging the system (if KMS is enabled), or with the vesa driver which probably doesn't support the native resolution of the screen (necessary for wide or LCD screens). The laptop is from HP which whitelists supported wifi cards, so I trust HP's site to list all wifi cards that it might be shipped with. http://h71016.www7.hp.com/dstore/html/pdfs/US_CA_English_215_G1_Notebook_data_sheet_Oct_2013.pdf has one vendor matching the 802.11b/a/g/n from InaTux's site: Broadcom. So nonfree firmware is needed (the other Ralink and Realtek chips also need nonfree firmware). These are obvious things that one can find on the Web looking for specific keywords. Someone using the machine might find additional issues e.g. with suspend and resume on non-Windows OSes or other boot firmware bugs. I believe we should never recommend AMD graphics (until some hackers replace both AtomBIOS and the kernel-loaded microcode) nor laptops with wifi not working without nonfree firmware. We should not recommend products shipped with Trisquel preinstalled unless they fully support it. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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if the wifi requires non-free software thats not a good thing not too hard to replace with a libre wifi card but still there a quite a few people (like myself about 6 months ago) that would just install the non-free wifi blob the GPU is not as big a problem as it will still run but only without graphics acceleration so for a basic desktop user this dose not matter too much but its not ideal they do not advertise a free bios this is from there site: Free BIOS (Coreboot, etc.): Our computers are not yet available with a Free BIOS, but we are very interested in offering that option in the future. the Coreboot bios they offer will not be completely libre they offer it as its a improvement over the factory bios
Re: [Trisquel-users] I am looking to build my first computer.
Has anyone bought from InaTux? They sell desktop PCs with a free BIOS, and the hardware is free software compatible. http://inatux.com/?gnu
Re: [Trisquel-users] I am looking to build my first computer.
from the inatux page: We can build systems with Coreboot as the BIOS, but there will be some limitations they can flash coreboot but coreboot by default contains some non-free blobs so it might not be a fully free bios it would still be better than the completely non-free bios that comes with the system though
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See any post about AMD GPUs on this forum. Their computers are not free software compatible and their BIOS is not free. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [Trisquel-users] I am looking to build my first computer.
Um. IdaTux is linked on the FSF website, so they are free software compatbile.
Re: [Trisquel-users] I am looking to build my first computer.
I tried getting one of those last year for my AMD FX-8350, but they were either out of stock and if they were in stock, horribly outdated and around the same price as newer models that had more features.
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AMD (or ATI) cards are compatible, sure, but they're crap. You won't get any 3-D acceleration with them, in particular. I do wonder what kinds of CPUs they ship, though. If the Intel CPUs are somewhat recent, the AMD card added in would make the system worse, because the Intel integrated GPU would certainly be better.
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It's listed at https://www.gnu.org/links/companies.html next to a seller of laptops with Intel wifi requiring blobs. I already reported these bugs to GNU Webmasters several months ago. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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riddled I know the decision of buying a PC is taunting when it comes to buy what Fits your need and desired. Myself and Magic Banana do recommend to purchase from the Think Penguin web site. If you find assembling a PC from scratch difficult. Myself, Ill build my one. Not only I would learn how to do it, and you will understand your system spec's, capabilities and weakness. Knowing this, You need to decide wisely. Either build or buy one already made. 2 categories Either you want a desktop or a Laptop. At the end you need to decide wisely. We are here to help you for your best decision. So again, Happy hunting.
Re: [Trisquel-users] I am looking to build my first computer.
the motherboard like most motherboards would use a non-free bios if you want a free bios theirs a list of supported motherboards here: http://www.libreboot.org/docs/hcl/index.html#supported_list but they will be older and wont support a i7 at least yet if you don’t mind a non-free bios the motherboard wont have any other freedom problems the things you need to think about are add-on devices like graphics cards wifi cards etc for graphics if you get a intel's board the integrated graphics it will work perfectly but if you want a modern graphics card here is one that works well with free software: https://www.thinkpenguin.com/gnu-linux/geforce-8400gs-1gb-pci-express-20-video-card-gnulinux-full-low-profile-brackets but of course you dont rely need a gpu i ran 0ad on a computer fine at low setting 4gb ram ddr3 intel integrated graphics 2.13ghz quad core cpu i3 80mbps HDD and if you have a more powerful processor e.g an i7 and a decent HDD or ideally a super fast SSD then like i do you can run just about any graphical program at very high settings having fast ram helps with this though as the system ram is used for video memory so the faster the system ram is the faster your pc can process graphics for wifi cards (Ethernet will work fine): https://www.thinkpenguin.com/catalog/wireless-networking-gnulinux https://h-node.org/wifi/catalogue/en for sound cards this one works well the fact that its usb 2.0 dose not matter it gives very good sound https://www.thinkpenguin.com/gnu-linux/penguin-usb-20-external-usb-sound-card-gnu-linux also if your going to build a pc and have the money i highly recommend getting a cheaper 128gb or 64gb ssd for storing your programs and os and a second bigger 500gb or 1tb HDD for storing music video etc you can make trisquel mount you HDD from startup by editing this file: /etc/fstab: # /etc/fstab: static file system information. # # Use 'blkid' to print the universally unique identifier for a # device; this may be used with UUID= as a more robust way to name devices # that works even if disks are added and removed. See fstab(5). # # # / was on /dev/sdb1 during installation UUID=09c679cf-a27f-4e71-9765-0b73f1784154 / ext4 errors=remount-ro 0 1 # swap was on /dev/sdb5 during installation UUID=da998e20-f8fe-4718-9388-9dda8ce8c61f noneswapsw 0 0 /dev/sr0/media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0 /dev/sda /media/HDD\0401tb ext4#this is my harddrive mounted from /dev/sda as /media/HDD\0401tb with its file system ext4 if you need help editing this file then feel free to ask on the forums its not too hard
Re: [Trisquel-users] I am looking to build my first computer.
I did write a long answer but the page here changed to a Accessed denied and everything got lost. Here is a shorter version. Product specifications. http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/SABERTOOTH_Z97_MARK_2/specifications/ I know that Asus Z97I Plus works except wifi and bluetooth. Displayport, HDMI, DVI-D and VGA works. Network, audio, USB3 internal and external ports, SATA3. Everything integrated in Intels chip works. Sabertooth Z97 Mark 2 has the same network chip so that will work. Search on Realteks page or search the net and see if the Realtek ALC1150 works. Same with the extra ASMedia USB3 ports work. Look around if you can get the information on bluetooth and wifi chips and see if they are supported. Search at h-node.org. If you find information about a product on the net if it works of not, add it in the h-node database to help other people in the future.
Re: [Trisquel-users] I am looking to build my first computer.
When I'll make my new pc I'll not only take hardware compatible with trisquel, but also a coreboot or libreboot compatible motherboard : http://www.coreboot.org/Supported_Motherboards
Re: [Trisquel-users] I am looking to build my first computer.
Thanks everybody for the advice. This was going to be my first build, and I already see that I am in way over my head, with back doors that enforce DRM, and everything. Luckily I haven't spent the money on anything. I have decided to keep saving my money and buy from Think Penquin, because the main objective in all of this was to remain as free as possible with no binary blobs etc. And at least with them I know my system will be libre. And they give 25% to Trisquel so that is a win-win.
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riddled Most of the time, all ASUS motherboards will allowed you install other OSI's without issues. I have 4 different MODEL Asus Boards, all 1155 socket boards that allowed you in the bios, to disable the OSI preference and are friendly to other type of gnu/Linux OSI'S. I use Trisquel and they do work flawlessly. Since, you are buying a High End board, that is a 1150 Socket and I suspect, you will be probably add an additional high end, Intel processor with Haswell micro-architecture, lets hope they are friendly. I don't know much about them, but, according, to the CPU manufactures web site; the spec's and other forums, I have read, they do enforce DRM policies with back doors. I'll advise you to research them thoroughly, before making a compulsory decision. Make your decision based on your need and not some crappy Hyper comment. For the amount of money, you going to spend, I could buy 2 mother boards that will fit my criteria. Unless you are one of those daddy kids wasting money without principals. Respectfully
Re: [Trisquel-users] I am looking to build my first computer.
sorry i meant a pci gpu
Re: [Trisquel-users] I am looking to build my first computer.
the computers at thinkpenguin work perfectly with libre software but still have a non-free bios so there much much better than most pc but still not perfect if you want a computer with a completely libre bios look here: http://shop.gluglug.org.uk/ i have one of the netbooks and they are very light small and portable have no heating problems even at 100% cpu usage(at least while i was using it) the one i got was a x60 with 2gb ram and a 1.66ghz cpu which is not great but you can get higer spec computers liek the x200 but if you are not willing to go for a less powerfull machine then the thinkpenguin ones would be a good choice
[Trisquel-users] I am looking to build my first computer.
I am looking to build my first computer. I am concerned about freedom and I want to run trisquel on it. I want to use an Intel i7 processer and I want 32 gb of ram (will have some virtual machines). I am concerned about the motherboard and whether it is compatible with Trisquel or not. The motherboard I am looking at is here: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813132132cm_re=asus_motherboard-_-13-132-132-_-Product. Anybody know anything about this motherboard? If not can anyone recommend one. On the asus website it says this motherboard only supports windows 7, 8, and 8.1.
Re: [Trisquel-users] I am looking to build my first computer.
I hope not. But I will hang around a little longer to be sure on the forums to be sure.
