Re: [Trisquel-users] Microsoft trying to prevent Linux on ARM hardware

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Re: [Trisquel-users] Microsoft trying to prevent Linux on ARM hardware

2012-01-23 Thread chris
chris is the user name and the domain is thinkpenguin com for the email. Just  
send me an email and if you have a jabber account send that too. 


Re: [Trisquel-users] Microsoft trying to prevent Linux on ARM hardware

2012-01-23 Thread jwest184

Hello Chris,

This is very encouraging advice and intriguing.  I'd be very interested in  
your business plan.  What would be the best way to contact you?





Re: [Trisquel-users] Microsoft trying to prevent Linux on ARM hardware

2012-01-23 Thread gustavo_cm

Chris,

I'm planning to start offering computer repair services, and have eyes on  
start teaching IT & related stuf, within the principles of Free Software. I'm  
studying for that.


I'll be grateful to you for any help in this matter!

Gustavo C. Manzochi


Re: [Trisquel-users] Microsoft trying to prevent Linux on ARM hardware

2012-01-22 Thread chris
It is possible to get people up and running on free software or mostly free  
software. The trick is to make sure they have the support for it. Most users  
don't know any better. You can stick a GNU/Linux system in front of them and  
it is easier to figure out than a new version of whatever they had prior  
(assuming they owned or used a computer in the recent past).


The thing to remember is you alone won't achieve much. The best thing you can  
do to help achieve massive adoption and promote free software is to  
commercialize on it. There is nothing wrong with earning money from it. The  
goal is freedom. Even charging for free software would be OK. Now you may  
have a hard time with that one given most of this software is available at no  
charge online. However not everybody is technically adept at downloading or  
installing it. Burning an ISO is technical! So there is a great opportunity  
here to charge for your time.


My advise is to advertise computer support services. Get business cards  
printed. Prints LOTS. Charge for your time and sell people computers,  
hardware, etc. If something doesn't work with free software tell them it  
isn't supported any more. Then sell them something that is.


Places you can distribute business cards: pizza shops, family restaurants,  
grocery stores, cafes, barber shops, and hundreds of other types of places.  
In fact.


If anyone wants to do this let me know. I've got plenty of marketing  
materials, inexpensive sites for cheap and quantity printing, etc. I can  
literally give you a business plan.






Re: [Trisquel-users] Microsoft trying to prevent Linux on ARM hardware

2012-01-22 Thread tmp
Agreed. Case-in-point was this past Thursday at my "Authorized Mac Reseller"  
store on my campus. I cringed listening to a poor student salesman pitch why  
a student needed a $1300+ Facebook machine; the only reason why I didn't  
intervene was because I knew she needed the commission and I tend not to do  
such a thing to fellow sales people. There was, however, one gentleman who  
was eying a copy of Microsoft Office for Mac while standing at the checkout  
desk with me. I politely interjected (after hearing the ludicrous price  
Microsoft demanded users to pay) and discussed LibreOffice and the Four  
Freedoms. The man was so blown away he said he was seriously going back to  
his dorm room to look it up.


There are ways to make compelling cases for the Freedoms rather than the  
Functionalities; it's part of the fun of being a can-GNU kind of person. 


Re: [Trisquel-users] Microsoft trying to prevent Linux on ARM hardware

2012-01-18 Thread Igor . Zobin
Advocating for free software is really hard, I can't manage to get the  
message accross to most my friends too. People are too used to think in  
practical terms about software, that's the problem. Schools should start  
using free software in IT classes and tell kids something about free software  
in philosophy classes.


When that's happening, we have basically won, because from then it will be  
only two generations at most until everyone demands freedom while using a  
computer.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Microsoft trying to prevent Linux on ARM hardware

2012-01-17 Thread TralfamadorianOrator
I've been doing this kind of micro-marketing for the past three or four  
years, mostly in the San Francisco suburbs. I had grand dreams of seeding an  
explosion in GNU/Linux adoption, but I've started to grow disheartened  
lately.


The people I've shared GNU/Linux with have adapted well to their new  
operating systems, and that's great, but they don't do much to continue  
sharing with others. I think they're content with just using it, perhaps even  
taking it a little for granted. Maybe the only time people talk about their  
computers is when something goes wrong, and they've had relatively few  
issues.


Last week, a friend of mine was pretty quick to blame GNU/Linux when she  
couldn't send attachments through the hotmail live.com website. As it turns  
out, Microsoft's live.com server was having issues, and it had nothing to do  
with her browser or with GNU/Linux. I think she naturally wonders if she  
would be having this issue if she were using Microsoft Windows.


It was like pulling teeth to get my cousin to try out GNU/Linux. He finally  
caved, and now he has a dual-boot setup. He likes the GNU/Linux system, but  
maybe for all the wrong reasons. He doesn't seem to really care about the  
freedoms, and he doesn't ever talk about software freedoms with others.


He told me that he was sitting with a bunch of San Francisco MUNI bus drivers  
a few weeks ago, and he observed one man helping another with a decision on  
what computer to buy next.


The man, who gave his advice with a great deal of confidence, said that  
Windows is for people who are technologically savvy, Apple looks nice, but is  
for people who don't know how to use computers, and "Linux is just old."


What does that even mean -- "is just old"? Does he mean it's old as in  
out-of-style? Old as in mature? I was disappointed that my cousin did not  
interject and enlighten these people a little. I don't think I'm disappointed  
in him. I'm disappointed in myself for not being able to inspire him to care  
about software freedoms as much as I do. I'm also disappointed that the  
people being asked for advice about computers don't know what they're talking  
about.


On a more positive note, even though I have not seeded an exponential spread  
of GNU/Linux in the San Francisco Bay Area, the people who were convinced by  
me to try GNU/Linux have stuck with it (with just one exception). These  
people include an elderly Carnegie Hall concert pianist, a construction  
worker, a yoga instructor, a cosmetologist, an immigrant family with young  
kids, an elderly Church event organizer, an English instructor at an art  
college, my cousin, a storyboard artist, and a charter school that allowed me  
to set up a computer lab for them on a bunch of old, donated, beige-colored  
desktop computers. I volunteered at the charter school after an elementary  
school in San Jose rejected my donation of a GNU/Linux desktop.


The IT guy at the San Jose elementary school had posted a craigslist ad in  
search of computers for the school's students, and I responded with an offer  
to give him my GNU/Linux desktop if he promised to keep using only free  
software on it.


His reason for the rejection was that the school had already paid for a  
contract with Microsoft for Windows licenses. It was as if the guy had gone  
out and bought spoiled milk for a bunch of starving kids. Then, along comes a  
cow full of milk. The man looks at the cow, pauses for a moment, an then  
resumes feeding the kids the spoiled milk. The spoiled milk is already paid  
for it, he reasons, so the kids will damn well drink it.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Microsoft trying to prevent Linux on ARM hardware

2012-01-17 Thread danieldelahoyde
You've explained the situation well. As you've said, the problem is how to  
persuade more people to use GNU/Linux. One way is what I call  
micro-marketing. By that I mean showing GNU/Linux to friends, family and  
co-workers and sharing the benefits. Then if they like GNU, offering to help  
them make the switch.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Microsoft trying to prevent Linux on ARM hardware

2012-01-13 Thread chris
The way GNU/Linux moves forward is by improving the product (funding the  
development of free software), making it readily available (ThinkPenguin.com,  
catalogs, TV, phone, brick and mortar availability with sales people  
dedicated exclusively to a product line), and marginalizing non-free software  
(exclusion or otherwise putting it at a disadvantage). Non-free software is  
the Achilles' heel of GNU/Linux. It is what makes all platforms hard to use.  
GNU/Linux distributions, Microsoft Windows, and Apple's OS X all included.  
Each non-free component brings with it problems and eliminating those  
components can be hard. We don't have perfect replacements. Ultimately though  
free versions are better and easier for users and developers alike.




Re: [Trisquel-users] Microsoft trying to prevent Linux on ARM hardware

2012-01-13 Thread Igor . Zobin
I can understand how you feel, but consider what a jerk Balmer is and how his  
acting impacts Microsofts image ;) Jobs was a much better leader than Balmer,  
actually likeable if you aren't aware of freedom issues with the software.  
Jobs being not there anymore is a big impact on Apple, Balmer going away  
would imho strengthen Microsoft, no one can possibly be a bigger jerk than he  
is.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Microsoft trying to prevent Linux on ARM hardware

2012-01-13 Thread tegskywalker
The current problem here in the US with computers is that if someone buys  
one, it is usually through a major store like Best Buy or Walmart while some  
turn to Amazon or Dell.com for online sales. Of course there are Apple Stores  
and Microsoft trying to expand on their Microsoft Stores outside of Bellevue,  
WA.


People say that desktop Linux failed because Microsoft essentially took  
control of those types of distribution channels with Windows PCs and the  
custom Linux machines were repressed to a hidden page on Dell.com or small  
online stores located in Europe that no one knows about.


Where does Linux stand for the future? Can we try to get businesses that do  
not like the upcoming Windows 8 UI to give us a chance? Even if they do, the  
desktop environments are so fragmented and all over the place. Do they want  
XFCE? MATE? Cinnamon? Unity? Gnome Shell? What I really like about Trisquel  
is that the default Gnome 2 look is one of the better looking ones out there  
and easiest for Windows Vista/7 users to transition to. Especially with the  
transparent bottom panel.


With Ubuntu testing the waters with their own ARM compatible version, it  
makes you wonder if Trisquel ever thought of doing an ARM version with  
Ubuntu's code like they do currently with the main desktop. I know Trisquel's  
resources are much lower than big companies and there has to be a way to make  
it more popular.


Microsoft can buy their way into people's homes. Trisquel has to win their  
hearts.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Microsoft trying to prevent Linux on ARM hardware

2012-01-13 Thread ninenine78

Looks like it shoulda been Balmer instead of Jobs that croaked. Bastards.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Microsoft trying to prevent Linux on ARM hardware

2012-01-13 Thread Igor . Zobin
This seems very dangerous indeed. But ARM is an important platform for phones  
and possibly some other mobile devices to run on. Google will very likely do  
something against it, it can't be in their interest to loose the battle for  
mobile devices so soon.


Even if secure boot on ARM hardware will be implemented in that ridiculous  
way, Google will have to be able to get the keys or something to make Android  
work. If Android will be bootable even with Secure Boot, distros that run  
with Linux might be too someday.


The best solution to this whole mess would ditch Secure Boot entirely, but  
unfortunately it doesn't look like it's going to happen...


[Trisquel-users] Microsoft trying to prevent Linux on ARM hardware

2012-01-13 Thread tegskywalker

Shit.

http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/01/microsoft-to-prevent-linux-booting-on-arm-hardware/