Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant SDK

2018-08-18 Thread kurtis
If anyone has been able to build things properly with the Replicant SDK via  
Trisquel, please post on this Trisquel forum post or over on this issue on  
the Replicant issue tracker: https://redmine.replicant.us/issues/1861


Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant SDK

2018-07-24 Thread Mason Hock
> But is it complete, or broken?

I've checked to make sure that it's installable, and it is. You can probably 
figure out how well it works faster than I could since you have a use case.


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Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant SDK

2018-07-24 Thread Caleb Herbert
But is it complete, or broken?


Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant SDK

2018-07-24 Thread Mason Hock
>  Not on Trisquel 7.  Either you have another Trisquel version, or
> you have added sources to it.

Correct. I run Trisquel 8. 


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Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant SDK

2018-07-24 Thread Ignacio Agulló
On 24/07/18 05:36, Mason Hock wrote:
>> Did the Replicant/Android SDK get into Trisquel?
> $ apt-cache search android-sdk
> android-sdk - Software development kit for Android platform
> android-sdk-build-tools - Tools for building Android applications
> android-sdk-build-tools-common - Tools for building Android applications - 
> Common files
> android-sdk-common - Common files of Android SDK base toolset
> android-sdk-platform-tools - Tools for interacting with an Android platform
> android-sdk-platform-tools-common - Tools for interacting with an Android 
> platform - Common files
>
> Looks like it.

 Not on Trisquel 7.  Either you have another Trisquel version, or
you have added sources to it.

-- 
Ignacio Agulló · agu...@ati.es



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Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant SDK

2018-07-23 Thread Mason Hock
> Did the Replicant/Android SDK get into Trisquel?

$ apt-cache search android-sdk
android-sdk - Software development kit for Android platform
android-sdk-build-tools - Tools for building Android applications
android-sdk-build-tools-common - Tools for building Android applications - 
Common files
android-sdk-common - Common files of Android SDK base toolset
android-sdk-platform-tools - Tools for interacting with an Android platform
android-sdk-platform-tools-common - Tools for interacting with an Android 
platform - Common files

Looks like it.


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[Trisquel-users] Replicant SDK

2018-07-23 Thread Caleb Herbert
Did the Replicant/Android SDK get into Trisquel?

https://trisquel.info/en/forum/replicant-project-calls-android-sdk-be-i
ncluded-trisuqel-can-you-help

I was looking at how much work it'd be to manually install it, and I
didn't find any information on the Replicant Wiki.  It looks like the
SDK includes a many complex programs.

I don't have an Android device and would like to test things for
friends.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant on Nexus One

2018-04-18 Thread sigdpsy
I have bought Symphony V130 smart-phone in Bangladesh. Is possible install  
Replicant in this device?


Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant: Can't acces bootloader: i9100 motherboard in i9105p chassis

2018-02-15 Thread jbahn
SOLVED - sort of: It turned out that the connector for the home button and  
the two touch buttons did not match.


That also explains why the 'Volume, Select and Power' combination did nit  
work!


It is possible though to replace that selector, but it requires removal of  
the screen, which I am not ready to yet.


[Trisquel-users] Replicant: Can't acces bootloader: i9100 motherboard in i9105p chassis

2018-02-15 Thread jbahn
I just posted this on the replicant forum, but thought their might be people  
here who can help:


I swapped the motherboard of a worn out i9100 into the chassis of a neat  
i9105p (S2 plus). Physically it seems to match perfectly, but I ran into two  
issues (perhaps related):


1) I cannot enter the bootloader by pressing Volume down, Select and Power (I  
also tried to run 'adb reboot bootloader which just give a normal reboot)


2) The touch buttons on the lower front panel don't seem to work

Any suggestions to the underlying problem(s) and possible solution(s)?


Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant (unofficially) at FOSDEM '18

2018-02-03 Thread member
Hi Guys where do we meet? Preferably around 19:00, when all the talks are  
over...


Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant (unofficially) at FOSDEM '18

2018-02-02 Thread amuza

Hey, I will also be around.

I may have some free time on Saturday evening.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant (unofficially) at FOSDEM '18

2018-01-31 Thread member

Hi Fil, I will be in Brussels for FOSDEM too. We could surely meet.


[Trisquel-users] Replicant (unofficially) at FOSDEM '18

2018-01-30 Thread fil . bergamo

Hello everybody,

some of the folks involved with Replicant will be at FOSDEM during next  
weekend (2nd to 4th of February).


I'll be there too.

If anybody is in Brussels in the same days, please leave a comment here, we  
can meet around and have some chatter and a couple of beers (..or more..)


Happy hacking,

Fil



Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant on Nexus One

2018-01-22 Thread bob
If you're aiming for the "latest" Replicant (6.0) it's based on Lineage OS,  
not Cyanogenmod (like 4.2).


I've fiddled around with Replicant, but had to use 4.2 on an old Samsung  
Galaxy S3 i9300 as 6.0 kept crashing and rebooting. On 4.2 it still regularly  
reboots itself for no reason, and I have to take great care not to install  
the wrong thing to avoid reflashing it.


I think it's fair to say it's not quite ready for prime time. But as a "spare  
phone" OS it's passable! :)


I'm holding out more hope for the Purism Librem 5 (which I've pre-ordered) or  
the Gemini PDA. In both cases you can run whatever GNU/Linux distro you want,  
then just boot back into Android whenever you need to.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant on Nexus One

2018-01-21 Thread william_lauritzen
Pretty much just follow the advice for installing cyanogenmod like unlocking  
bootloader if locked, installing custom recovery. Only thing thats a bit  
different is that your flashing an image file instead of a zip file.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant on Nexus One

2017-12-30 Thread masonhock
Once you've subscribed to the mailing list, send your question to  
replic...@osuosl.org


Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant on Nexus One

2017-12-30 Thread sophoclestechnologies

Yes, the IRC too isn't active.

Could you please explain to me how the mailing list works?  
https://lists.osuosl.org/mailman/listinfo/replicant


Do I simply send my question as an email to the address found under the  
"Using Replicant" subheading?


Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant on Nexus One

2017-12-29 Thread masonhock
I had a Replicant question recently. The IRC was dead except for some weird  
racist spam, but the mailing list got back to me in a couple days, so you  
could try that in the future.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant on Nexus One

2017-12-28 Thread dhood
There is no *maintained* documentation anymore, the old documentation, which  
for you is still valid still exists. The build page for the Nexus One is  
here: https://redmine.replicant.us/projects/replicant/wiki/NexusOneBuild


A search in the forum brought several old threads that would likely be  
helpful.


Thats the joy of working with old hardware, all the questions you could  
possible have were already answered years ago. It is just a matter of finding  
those posts via archival search. 


Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant on Nexus One

2017-12-28 Thread sophoclestechnologies
As I explain in the original post, Replicant on the N1 is not supported  
anymore, so there is no documentation for it available. Given that it's  
unmaintained, it's unlikely that I'll get a response about it in the forums.  
Plus, the forums there, regrettably, aren't particularly active.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant on Nexus One

2017-12-28 Thread dhood
Replicant is a mobile operating system based on android that has nothing to  
do with Trisquel. Replicant has its own forums and documentation that will  
likely be far more helpful.


[Trisquel-users] Replicant on Nexus One

2017-12-28 Thread sophoclestechnologies

Hello everyone,

I have a Nexus One on which I would like to install Replicant. The wiki  
(https://redmine.replicant.us/projects/replicant/wiki/NexusOne) states that  
it’s unmaintained, but the relevant files are still available to download.  
I accept full responsibility for the device, but I don’t know how to go  
about installing the OS. I’ve installed the latest version of Replicant on  
another device, but the files seem to be different from those of the Nexus  
one.


Could anyone who is knowledgeable enough help me out?

Thank you!


Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant WARNING: latest version of DAVdroid kills system

2017-11-07 Thread jbahn
I can confirm that downgrading to DAVdroid 1.9-ose seems to solve the  
problem.


The problem will be fixed in version 1.9.2

https://redmine.replicant.us/boards/9/topics/14618


Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant WARNING: latest version of DAVdroid kills system

2017-11-05 Thread tralfamadorianorator

I experienced this -- twice!

First time: I updated DAVdroid on my Galaxy S3, with the latest stable build  
of Replicant, which I had been using since its release September, and  
Replicant immediately goes into what appears to be an endless reboot loop.


Second time: I wiped the 'data' and 'cache' partitions and rebooted. Then I  
installed everything I had on the phone before: AndStatus, Nextcloud, etc.   
Finally, I tried reinstalling DAVdroid again. Replicant goes into the reboot  
loop again.


I repeated the procedure of wiping my 'data' partition and reinstalled  
Nextcloud yet again. And then was careful this time to install DAVdroid  
1.9-ose instead of 1.9.1-ose.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant WARNING: latest version of DAVdroid kills system

2017-11-05 Thread calmstorm
Wish I knew how to update my replicant phone. The repo does not work at all  
right now even though I can connect to the internet via dongle... weird  
right?


but maybe now is a terrible time. xD


[Trisquel-users] Replicant WARNING: latest version of DAVdroid kills system

2017-11-05 Thread jbahn
At least two users of Replicant (including myself) have reported problems  
with the latest version of DAVdroid breaking their system:


https://redmine.replicant.us/boards/9/topics/14618


Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant 6.0 released

2017-05-18 Thread prian

Thanks a lot for your answer and the useful links.
A pity that I have this G-version.
I guess it won't be compatible in the future. :-(






Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant 6.0 released

2017-05-16 Thread tct
GT-I9100G is not supported by Replicant because it has a different SoC  
(system on a chip).


GT-I9100 vs. GT-I9100G:
Chipset: Exynos 4210 Dual vs. TI OMAP 4430
GPU: Mali-400MP4 vs. PowerVR SGX540

http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=3621=4327

Galaxy S3 GT-I9300 and Galaxy Note 2 GT-N7100 have Exynos/Mali-400 SoCs, like  
GT-I9100.


http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_i9300_galaxy_s_iii-4238.php
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_note_ii_n7100-4854.php


Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant 6.0 released

2017-05-16 Thread prian

Great news.
Unfortunately the Galaxy 2, GT-I9100G doesn't seem to be supported.
Does anyone know the reason and other ways to make it more secure?


Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant 6.0 released

2017-05-15 Thread tct
Sadly, Replicant only supports GSM for now and I see that there are no GSM  
carriers in Japan:


Quoting this travel guide: http://www.japan-guide.com/e/e2223.html
"Most importantly, there is no GSM network in Japan, so GSM-only phones do  
not work."


Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant 6.0 released

2017-05-14 Thread strypey
Just out of curiosity, would these devices work in Japan? My fiancee and I  
are looking at moving there next year, and I don't know if our existing  
phones would work there. It would be nice to have a mobile device running  
100% free software to use once we get there.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant 6.0 released

2017-05-14 Thread gromobir

Thank you very much for this link. That's awesome news.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant 6.0 released

2017-05-14 Thread tct
The new release Replicant 6.0 incorporates the very needed security updates,  
a nicer and more modern graphical interface, and also it supports by default  
freedom-respecting external WiFi adapters!


What better way for us at Technoethical to celebrate the new Replicant  
release than with the addition to our mobile devices catalog of the Note2  
N7100 phone/tablet preinstalled with Replicant:


https://tehnoetic.com/tet-n7100

Also, all our mobile devices now come preinstalled by default with Replicant  
6.0. Each purchase also contributes with a donation to the Replicant project.  
:-)


https://tehnoetic.com/mobile-devices

Happy hacking everyone!



[Trisquel-users] Replicant 6.0 released

2017-05-13 Thread legimet . calc

https://blog.replicant.us/2017/05/replicant-6-0-released/


Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant 6.0 on S2

2017-02-16 Thread jbahn

Not to my knowledge but they should not be that hard to find second hand


Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant 6.0 on S2

2017-02-16 Thread svhaab
Is the samsung s2 being manufactured? 


Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant 6.0 on S2

2017-02-16 Thread jbahn

Have you tried it?


Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant 6.0 on S2

2017-02-16 Thread jbahn

Thanks, Fil.

Sorry for the late response. I'll reposnd on the replicant forum later too.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant 6.0 on S2

2017-02-11 Thread fil . bergamo

Hi!

I replied to your post on the Replicant forum, trying to explain things a  
little better.
If you, or anyone else, still have doubts, please ask on the same post in the  
Replicant forum. Asking on Trisquel.info you won't get any specific answer,  
as this is not the right place.
Also, please provide specific clues on *how* and *where* you need help, so  
that I can focus on giving you a better explanation.


Thanks for using Replicant, and keep hacking!

Fil





Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant 6.0 on S2

2017-02-09 Thread Ignacio Agulló
On 04/02/17 21:03, gromo...@web.de wrote:
> That's good news! Here is the official announcement, btw:
> http://blog.replicant.us/2017/02/replicant-6-0-development-updates/
Wow, Wi-Fi works for S3 as well!

-- 
Ignacio Agulló · agu...@ati.es



Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant 6.0 on S2

2017-02-07 Thread jbahn

This is really a big step forward. Thanks for all the efforts.

I just posted a request similar to the following on replicant forum as well:

I am uncertain of exactly what and how to do. I know it's extra work in a  
busy time, but I would really appreciate an easier 'manual' for getting wifi  
to work in R6.0 on S2 and/or S3.


If there would be an easier to grasp explanation, I shall install and give  
feedback asap.


R6.0 it self work very well, and especially the S3 is much faster than  
before.




Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant 6.0 on S2

2017-02-07 Thread tomlukeywood

"It supports wifi as well after a little tampering."

Where did you get this information do you have a link?


Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant 6.0 on S2

2017-02-07 Thread jbahn

https://redmine.replicant.us/boards/21/topics/14009?r=14032

Check
Using an external wifi dongle

See this post.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant 6.0 on S2

2017-02-07 Thread seimirchaplin

How do you make wifi works?


Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant 6.0 on S2

2017-02-07 Thread gromobir
That's good news! Here is the official announcement, btw:  
http://blog.replicant.us/2017/02/replicant-6-0-development-updates/


[Trisquel-users] Replicant 6.0 on S2

2017-02-07 Thread jbahn
I just want you all to know, that Replicant 6.0 is now supported for S2 and I  
just successfully installed it.


It supports wifi as well after a little tampering. I haven't had time to do  
this yet, though.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant 6.0 on S2

2017-02-07 Thread tct
I have enabled support for the Tehnoetic freedom-respecting WiFi adapters  
(N150 and N150HGA) in Replicant 4.2.


http://redmine.replicant.us/boards/33/topics/11763?r=13395#message-13395

My patches are not yet merged in the official image, but prebuilt Replicant  
4.2 images with external WiFi support are available for both S2 and S3.


https://wiki.tehnoetic.com/doku.php?id=tehnoetic_wifi_replicant

Fil has written better scripts to make it easier for users to connect to WiFi

http://redmine.replicant.us/boards/9/topics/13932

And Wolfgang has recently enabled the external WiFi support in Replicant 6.0  
which is not officially released either.


https://redmine.replicant.us/boards/21/topics/14009?r=14032


Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant: First steps to wifi support

2017-01-06 Thread gromobir
Apologies for misleading comments and thank you very much for your  
clarifications, Fil. I realize that having wifi dongle support is not "the  
real thing" yet but it's far better than nothing. Keep up the good work,  
guys!


Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant: First steps to wifi support

2017-01-05 Thread shiretoko

Hello Fil,
thank you for the clarification!
My disappointment was mainly due to a misunderstanding, it's not that your  
work / your results are disappointing in any way.
I do agree that it's a very good progress. At least we have the option of  
using a wifi dongle now.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant: First steps to wifi support

2017-01-05 Thread legimet . calc
This post was a bit misleading. I expected to see development on a free  
firmware for the Broadcom chip.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant: First steps to wifi support

2017-01-05 Thread fil . bergamo

I'm the OP on Replicant's forum.
I'm sorry for your disappointment, and I'm sorry for the confusion.

To state things more clearly:
There is NO support for WiFi using the internal Broadcom chip (AFAIK).
There IS support though, using an external dongle and ath9k_htc free  
firmware.


The whole point in my original post was to share my enthusiasm in having  
discovered that WiFi use is much easier than expected, and that it is more  
stable than people at Tehnoetic thought it was (e.g. no need to fully wipe  
/data after a crash).
I didn't mean to mislead people in thinking it has full support, and if I  
did, I make amends.


In a way, I understand your disappointment. On the other hand, I think it is  
still a big step forward, as it makes WiFi a reality in Replicant, like it  
never was been before.


I hope things are clear now. If not, just ask. I'll do my best to disperse  
any doubt!


Happy hacking!

Fil




Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant: First steps to wifi support

2017-01-05 Thread shiretoko

Ah wait... now I get it.
I was confused why tct was talking about atheros, while
http://redmine.replicant.us/projects/replicant/wiki/GalaxyS2I9100
this page states that the galaxy 2 has some broadcom chip in it.

Well, I think what's this post all about is the following:
you now can buy a usb wifi dongle, and with this, you finally can connect to  
wifi without proprietary software.

Am I correct?

I think this is a good step, however, I really think it should be stated in a  
more clear way.
My first guess was that the firmware for the original wifi chip got reverse  
engineered and is now usable without proprietary software, so I was quite  
disappointed, to be honest.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant: First steps to wifi support

2017-01-05 Thread tct
The free firmware is the one packaged by Trisquel and it's linked in this  
section:  
https://wiki.tehnoetic.com/doku.php?id=tehnoetic_wifi_replicant#copy_free_firmware


However, without the ath9k_htc support in Replicant kernel, there is no  
driver to work with that firmware. To be able to build the ath9k_htc free  
driver in Replicant's Linux, reverting some older patches was needed, as  
detailed in the section:


https://wiki.tehnoetic.com/doku.php?id=tehnoetic_wifi_replicant#tehnoetic_wifi_patches

and committed to the Tehnoetic repository at git.replicant.us:

https://git.replicant.us/tehnoetic/kernel_samsung_smdk4412/tree/ath9k_htc

It takes several hours and about 50GB available space to build Replicant, so  
for user's convenience, until these patches are reviewed and merged in the  
Replicant code, we provide an image already built by Tehnoetic for the Galaxy  
S2.


http://tehnoetic.com/download/replicant-4.2-i9100-nonofficial-tehnoetic.zip

Using the same patch set we have been able to also build Replicant for Galaxy  
S3 and WiFi is more stable there. It seems that S3 hardware can handle better  
the power consumption peaks of the ath9k_htc-based WiFi dongles.


We'll soon upload the image for S3 and include Fil's accessibility scripts in  
the tutorial (which also work for the S3). As future development, we'll try  
to have Tehnoetic WiFi working on the upcoming Replicant 6.0 too.


For convenience, we intend to offer our customers Tehnoetic S2 and Tehnoetic  
S3 phones preinstalled with one of the Replicant variants below:

* Replicant 4.2
* Replicant 4.2 w/ Tehnoetic WiFi patches
* Replicant 4.2 w/ Tehnoetic WiFi patches and Fil's scripts


Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant: First steps to wifi support

2017-01-05 Thread gromobir
I think the main issue that has been solved by the poster on the Replicant  
forums is the following: "Warning! This modified nonofficial Replicant  
version is experimental and until this moment we haven't been able to get  
WiFi working after a reboot without reformatting /data partition.".  
Apparently, this seems to be the real news.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant: First steps to wifi support

2017-01-05 Thread shiretoko
I don't get it. It says that you would have to install some nonofficial  
replicant image built by technoetic:

https://wiki.tehnoetic.com/doku.php?id=tehnoetic_wifi_replicant

Why not just hand over the free firmware for the wifi chip, since it's now  
obviously available?
Besides, why does the whole post never talk about firmware but just about  
some more convenient ways to set up a wifi connection?




[Trisquel-users] Replicant: First steps to wifi support

2017-01-05 Thread gromobir
I don't know too much about smartphones and their underlying technology but  
the Replicant project seems to have made some very serious recent progress  
concerning official wifi support:  
http://redmine.replicant.us/boards/9/topics/13932?r=13982


If some of you happen to know more than me about smartphone driver  
programming, please help out to make this a reality as fast as possible as it  
would be a very crucial step for the whole project (I guess).


[Trisquel-users] Replicant and GNU Libreboot at Coliberator 2016, June 4-5 Bucharest, Romania

2016-05-31 Thread tct
Ceata, the foundation for Free Software and Free Culture based in Romania is  
organizing this weekend the 4th edition of its conference Coliberator.


https://coliberator.ceata.org/2016/

This year PaulK, Replicant maintainer and GNU Libreboot contributor, will  
give two keynotes and coordinate two workshops for these two important  
projects.


http://blog.replicant.us/2016/05/coliberator-2016-keynotes-and-workshops/
https://libreboot.org/workshops/

You are welcome to fly over to Bucharest (it's well connected and affordable)  
and join us this weekend at Coliberator:


https://coliberator.ceata.org/2016/register.en.html

Being fully aligned with the Free Software philosophy of the GNU project, the  
event doesn't attract corporate sponsorships and it's donation-based. Small  
individual donations are welcome, but not required for registration (simply  
click "Remind me later, confirm without donating" or set the donation level  
to zero).


If you can't make if for this edition, please save the date June 3-4 2017 and  
consider making a donation for the video recording/editing of this edition of  
Coliberator:


https://coliberator.ceata.org/2016/donate.en.html

Thank GNU!


Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant ?

2014-02-22 Thread paulk
Hi, I'm the lead Replicant developer, also a Trisquel user and obviously free  
software enthusiastic!


If you have any question about Replicant, it might be better to ask them on  
our dedicated forums: , mailing list:  or irc channel: #replicant at  
freenode.


Also, if you encounter any unusual behavior (on components that are supposed  
to work, as described on the Replicant status page: ), you're welcome to open  
a bug report on our tracker: ! Make sure to include logs taken when the  
problem happens: .


Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant ?

2014-02-19 Thread LDrumbler
Yes, you can do every one of those things, either built-in or via third-party  
applications from F-Droid.


[Trisquel-users] Replicant: About the Fairphone

2013-12-21 Thread mikko . viinamaki
I thought this theoretical marriage might interest quite a few people here.  
Spoiler: it's unlikely as of yet.


http://replicant.us/2013/11/fairphone/


Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant ?

2013-12-03 Thread LDrumbler

Yes. But for heaven's sake, don't.

The Replicant developers (I'm one of them now; I just joined) are working  
hard to bring you a mobile device without proprietary software as much as  
possible. If you install proprietary software on your device, there is no  
point to using us. You might as well use CyanogenMod, which comes with that  
firmware pre-installed.


To answer some other questions, mobile devices do not have a Wi-Fi card  
like desktops and laptops. They have a modem, which controls all network  
communications (including telephony and data). The modem and the OS interact  
through the RIL (Radio Interface Layer). Wi-Fi and Bluetooth will not work at  
all without those blobs, under any circumstances.


The good news is, I'm going to try decompiling them. Stay tuned.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant ?

2013-12-03 Thread Michał Masłowski
 You might as well use
 CyanogenMod, which comes with that firmware pre-installed.

CyanogenMod has more nonfree firmware and nonfree userspace libraries.
Replicant replaces some of these libraries and modifies the free code to
not require 3d acceleration which requires nonfree libraries on all
supported devices.  CyanogenMod doesn't use these replacements unless
they have all features of the nonfree ones.

 To answer some other questions, mobile devices do not have a Wi-Fi
 card like desktops and laptops. They have a modem, which controls all
 network communications (including telephony and data). The modem and
 the OS interact through the RIL (Radio Interface Layer). Wi-Fi and
 Bluetooth will not work at all without those blobs, under any
 circumstances.

Any source for this?  Many devices supported by Replicant have a single
Broadcom chip providing wifi and Bluetooth which is separate from the
modem (see e.g. [0]).  Tablets without the modem have that chip too.
Wifi and Bluetooth have free kernel drivers and nonfree firmware, unlike
modem which has also a nonfree userspace driver in RIL that Replicant
replaces.

[0] http://redmine.replicant.us/projects/replicant/wiki/GalaxyS3


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Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant ?

2013-12-03 Thread stevekilleen

Hi Xilixi,

Kontalk is a fantastic free alternative to WhatsApp. I highly recommend it.  
It's easy to use and completely free as in freedom :-)


It can be downloaded from F-Droid or Google Play.

Steve


Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant ?

2013-12-03 Thread LDrumbler
I recommend the Nexus S from experience, but the Galaxy S3 is the highest-end  
phone we support, so you may wish to look into that. The new ports Paul has  
planned are:


* Samsung Galaxy Note 2
* Nexus 10
* LG Optimus L9
* Fairphone
* Various Allwinner tablets

And I'll be working on the LG Optimus Black. There are other potential  
targets, such as the international version of the Galaxy S4 and the Galaxy  
Premier. The Note 2, once added, will be the most advanced device we support,  
but it could take months for the new version to be released.


We have full installation instructions for all our devices. See the links  
under the Supported Devices section. So there'll be no need to come here.


Paul Kocialkowski considered the Galaxy S3 Mini a few months ago, but I doubt  
a port will be made. There needs to be a CyanogenMod port to a device before  
we can port to it, and the only ports of said OS are unofficial, which is a  
big disadvantage. So don't count on it.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant ?

2013-11-30 Thread matt . ivie
I second that. I have a Nexus S and it works well. My only complaint is the  
lack of free firmware for some of the devices but it still has mobile data  
and makes phone calls, which are the two things I needed most. Like Armworm  
said, installation is easy. I've tried to root other phones before in order  
to install different boot loaders and Cyanogenmod and it was a nightmere! The  
Nexus S is cake by comparison.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant ?

2013-11-28 Thread alejandroamatmartinez
Hi people, just wanted to add some questions to this thread... is there a  
free alternative to whatsap? Many contacts of mine use this app and it is my  
way to communicate with them. Thanks!


Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant ?

2013-11-28 Thread gaming4jc2
Assuming what's app isn't a walled garden, which it seems to be - any XMPP  
account would work. This program also has HUGE security and privacy  
vulnerabilities:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WhatsApp

Some suggested FLOSS alternatives for XMPP chatting over your phone would be:
Beem Project



Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant ?

2013-11-10 Thread mikko . viinamaki

Looks like CyanogenMod is on the black list as well.

http://www.gnu.org/distros/common-distros.html#CyanogenMod


Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant ?

2013-10-29 Thread mve1
This is a difficult question and my experience is limited. I made my  
decisions based on:


*GT-I9100 (Galaxy S2)*
- Quite modern and cheaper than S3.
- Smaller screen to S3.
- Most important features supported (except the WiFi, but there is no perfect  
solution yet).


The 3G *should* have worked as soon as I configured it, but apparently the  
vendor that sold me this phone sold it with the wrong modem configuration for  
my country (the phone was purchased in a different country). I still hope to  
resolve this issue, and it shouldn't affect you if you make sure that the  
modem (baseband mostly) is indeed configured for your country.


*N7000 (Galaxy Note)*
- My wife wanted a big screen.
- I found an offer for a reasonable price.

While everything works well on this phone, if you don't need a big screen I  
would go for the S2, which also appears to run faster, in my subjective  
experience.


-
In conclusion, I would not buy an older phone because I want these to last  
for a while (i.e. Nexus One or HTC), and I did not buy an S3 because it's  
more expensive and the screen is too big for my taste. I hope this helps.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant ?

2013-10-29 Thread darrenvenables
I strongly recommend the Nexus S. Installation is incredibly easy, it's cheap  
and it works well.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant ?

2013-10-29 Thread mve1
As I understand it, CyanogenMod is not concerned with software freedom, but  
rather with open sourcing and the benefits that it can provide. They also  
include binary firmware with their distribution, whereas Replicant does not.  
I imagine, although I have not played around with CyanogenMod, that it must  
include more of google's features than Replicant.


Replicant comes with the standard google search bar on the homescreen, which  
can be disabled in settings. It also does not allow you to create a calendar  
without linking it to an account, unless you download a program from  
f-droid called offline calendar. As far as I have tested, it is also not  
possible to make contact groups without this so called account (I imagine  
this means syncing my information to someone else's server, which I don't  
plan on doing).


http://wiki.cyanogenmod.org/w/About

The only difference between my phones and a totally free Replicant  
installation is the non-free system loaded WiFi firmware (in any case, many  
chips contain hardcoded proprietary code. The FSF has chosen not to regard  
these as proprietary software because they are hardcoded on the chips and not  
loaded by the system (and because it would make it impossible to use any  
computer in the world, as far as I know). Whether or not you agree with FSF,  
it is impossible to run a computer without at least the hardcoded non-free  
code running on the hardware. Obviously it is not an easy problem to solve,  
as making hardware is a very expensive proposition. The case of system loaded  
firmware is arguably worse because it means the firmware is modifiable. It  
does not mean the hardcoded code cannot abuse the user, as I understand it.  
In the case of Replicant running non-free WiFi firmware, it seems unlikely to  
me that broadcom could push updates without my consent. Who knows. I'm not an  
expert. It certainly opens up the possibility of backdoors, malware, etc.  
through the WiFi firmware, and the impossibility of analyzing the code to  
make sure it does not abuse the user). So, a totally free Replicant install  
would work exactly like my phones do, just without the ability to enable  
WiFi.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant ?

2013-10-29 Thread mve1
Replicant is not connected to google and such by default. CyanogenMod I'm not  
so sure.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant ?

2013-10-29 Thread leny2010
According to this http://media.libreplanet.org/u/libby/m/denis-carikli/  
Replicant developer Replicant is a freed Cyanogenmod.  The main difference  
used to be that a CM base install included the blobs for things like WiFi,  
Bluetooth, GPS etc. The Google Apps etc were not included in CM's  
distribution, indeed Google hit them with a cease and desist when they did in  
th past.  However, Cyanogenmod has recently been incorporated and they've put  
an installer on Google Play, what ships with that I don't know. 


Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant ?

2013-10-28 Thread darrenvenables
For heaven's sake, remove that proprietary software! People have worked hard  
to bring you a phone containing only free software, and installing  
proprietary firmware defeats the purpose.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant ?

2013-10-28 Thread mve1
I understand and agree with your sentiment, Armworm. I am unhappy that the  
WiFi firmware is proprietary. I am a FS advocate and I understand the risks  
of running such software, as well as the vicious cycle that compromise in  
this area often fosters.


While I agree with you on principle, a smart phone without 3G or WiFi is  
pretty much useless for me. There is no workaround this issue. So it boils  
down to a binary choice. Just like I am forced to compromise and use  
proprietary BIOS or UEFI on most computers (as most do not support Coreboot),  
I have decided to compromise with the WiFi on these phones, until a free  
solution becomes available. As I see it, it is still much better than IOS,  
AOSP or CyanogenMod.


Regarding the people who worked hard to bring a phone containing *mostly*  
free software (as far as I know the boot loader, or some program in the boot  
section, is still proprietary), I both admire and respect these people. I  
don't feel that I am disrespecting them by making this decision. In fact, I  
wouldn't be surprised if some of these people themselves chose to use the  
proprietary WiFi firmware, and it would indeed be their choice (I would also  
understand if they chose not to publicly state it). So far (I have just  
started using Replicant), my way to show appreciation has been to make a  
financial contribution to the project. This is the same thing I do with the  
Trisquel project, as well as being an associate member of the FSF and  
contributing to some other FS initiatives that I respect.


I live in an imperfect world. I do not encourage people to use proprietary  
software, quite the opposite in fact. I am, however, willing to make some  
small compromises for the sake of the reality in which I live. In a perfect  
world, my telephone would not be a tracking device. In a perfect world, I  
just wouldn't use a cell phone at all, given the architecture of current  
mobile networks. In an imperfect world, I choose thoughtfully and from time  
to time make small sacrifices. They allow me to survive, as I am bound to  
this system, unfree in many other ways. In this way, these sacrifices enable  
me to find greater freedom in other areas of my life. I don't expect you to  
follow suit either.


I do not use any proprietary software on my Trisquel systems, apart from the  
UEFI. My wireless USB cards were purchased from libre.thinkpenguin.com. I  
will not support or endorse any non-free program in this regard.


I do admire and support your sentiment, as I admire RMS's position. I  
apologize for not being able to live up, 100%, to these standards (as far as  
cellular computing is concerned). Digital freedom is but one aspect of the  
struggle for freedom in my life.


Saludos Libres.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant ?

2013-10-28 Thread darrenvenables
We can do nothing about the bootloader, as it is unmodifiable, but we can do  
something about the Wi-Fi firmware: remove it!


According to the Replicant Status page, mobile data is working on the Galaxy  
Note. Is it not working for you?


Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant ?

2013-10-28 Thread mve1
Mobile data is now working on the N7000 as stated in my previous post. It is  
still not working on the GT-I9100. I have been working to fix this under  
advice from the developers of Replicant and hope to eventually resolve this  
issue.


As to the WiFi firmware, I will not remove it. I hoped my previous post would  
provide a reasoned explanation regarding my decision. I would be happy to see  
you as a member of Trisquel, for example, but I won't chastise you if  
you're not.


Cheers.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant ?

2013-10-28 Thread Michał Masłowski
Boot firmware (called BIOS on x86) is much different on other systems.
Commonly used ARM SoCs have bootrom (real ROM in the chip: just like
circuit) that boots a bootloader from NAND (the phone memory where the
OS is usually stored) which might be signed like in restricted boot.
(There might be more stages and the names are usually different: I don't
know the details.)

Most Replicant-supported phones have a nonfree bootloader in NAND which
is signed (not replaceable on nearly all phones except for flashing
nonfree updates from the vendor) with the exception of GTA04 using free
U-Boot.


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Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant ?

2013-10-26 Thread Michał Masłowski
They are trying: they added and improved some replacements for nonfree
libraries from Replicant, they don't do it when it removes features.
(Vendor-written nonfree code has low quality and security issues, so
there is a nonfreedom motivation for this.)  There are long lists of
nonfree files that they import from stock systems on some phones.

Replicant also removes the Google keylogger from the browser's address
bar and doesn't add nonfree apps.


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Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant ?

2013-10-26 Thread fernando . negro
Yep. And, if you want something really creepy, take a look at what the  
founder and leader of the project is wearing... http://cyngn.com/ (A Google  
Glass.) (Transhumanism, here we go... -  
http://www.danielestulin.com/2012/11/01/the-future-is-now-transhumanism/)


Notice also how one of the board members came from Google's Android project,  
and how the rest of the team is made up of people who came from the top  
corporations.


This whole project looks like a fake alternative, created by the same people  
behind Google Android.


And, it sounds like an Ubuntu equivalent, among the Android/Linux user  
community, which is starting to betray the principles on which it is  
supposedly based on.


The whole idea of CyanogenMod was (/seemed to be) to get rid of the  
proprietary software (that comes with the default Android/Linux). And, to go  
back on that principle (or to, purposely or not, never accomplish it), is to  
betray /the/ principle on which such project was (supposedly) founded.


And, besides this philosophical principle... Being this kind of devices...  
How can we know, for example, that such proprietary software doesn't have  
tracking, listening and filming spyware, inside of it?...


And, speaking of that... Is it legal for someone, in the United States, to  
walk around targeting everyone with a Google Glass? (How come we know that  
we are not being filmed?...)


Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant ?

2013-10-26 Thread fernando . negro

http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/12/11/14/2128211/cyanogenmod-domain-hijacked

Cynical Facebook-style publicity for the project, is what it seems to me...  
:)


Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant ?

2013-10-26 Thread fernando . negro
And, not minding the meaning of the word Android - which is how the people  
at Google/CIA/NSA[1] see the rest of us[2]...


Cyanogen is a toxic substance (i.e. a poison).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyanogen

So, I advise you all to keep away from it... :)

---
1.  
http://www.prisonplanet.com/group-calls-for-hearings-into-google%E2%80%99s-ties-to-cia-and-nsa.html

2. http://trisquel.info/en/forum/nsa-can-tap-android-systems#comment-42304


[Trisquel-users] Replicant ?

2013-10-25 Thread ashok . biollay

Hello everybody,

This topic is not directly linked with Trisquel. But it is about freedom with  
mobile phones.


Do you know http://replicant.us/ ? Have you ever tried ?

You know... I want to use free softwares, free OS on computers. But why  
should I stay with proprietary softwares on mobile phones. Replicant seems to  
be very free.


If someone tried it. On which type of mobile phones can we install Replicant  
? Where to get it ? How to install it ? Is some technical know-how required ?


Possibly without abonment, without sim-locking.

Thank you in advance for your answers.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant ?

2013-10-25 Thread mve1

Hi shokin,

Replicant is compatible with a few different phone models:
http://replicant.us/supported-phones/

It is very easy to install. I recently installed it on a Galaxy S2 and a  
Note. 2 initial comments:


1) I cannot get 3G to work on either phone.
2) The WiFi card on these phones (bcm4330) requires binary firmware to work.

Without 3G and WiFi the phones are not much good for me. I also have been  
unable to get WiFi to work through the USB connection with the computer. I  
have been unable to find help regarding how to make WiFi work. I should have  
copied the firmware out of the phones initially before flashing Replicant on  
them, which I did not do, i.e.


http://redmine.replicant.us/projects/replicant/wiki/GalaxyS2Firmwares

There is no help to flash the stock ROM back into the phones either. I am not  
an expert but it seems that Replicant re-partitioned the phone's HD. I don't  
know how to re-flash using Heimdell (the flashing tool that works on GNU). I  
have found some tutorials to do this with Odin, but the tool only works in  
Windows.


In any case, for the time being, I am stuck without any networking on both  
telephones.


Replicant seems to work well except for the above. I would like to use it  
with the proprietary WiFi, as I consider it necessary. If I cannot get it and  
3G to work on Replicant I will try Cyanogenmod.


Hope this helps you. The instructions for flashing replicant are on their  
website. They are easy to follow.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant ?

2013-10-25 Thread Michał Masłowski
 1) I cannot get 3G to work on either phone.

It is officially supported, have you reported it to the developers?

 Without 3G and WiFi the phones are not much good for me. I also have
 been unable to get WiFi to work through the USB connection with the
 computer.

The USB networking scripts on their site need some changes.  (It's not
for wifi, there are other issues with using USB wifi devices.)

 I should have copied the firmware out of the phones initially
 before flashing Replicant on them, which I did not do, i.e.

 http://redmine.replicant.us/projects/replicant/wiki/GalaxyS2Firmwares

CM includes that firmware.

 There is no help to flash the stock ROM back into the phones either.

Does Samsung provide the stock ROM images?  It should be possible to
install them using Heimdall.

 I don't know how to re-flash using Heimdell (the flashing
 tool that works on GNU). I have found some tutorials to do this with
 Odin, but the tool only works in Windows.

Isn't it the same as installing the Replicant recovery?

(Replicant has an IRC channel and forum.)


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Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant ?

2013-10-25 Thread prvteprts
I found out the same things when I installed Replicant on my Galaxy Note just  
recently. The stock ROM can be re-flashed using heimdall-frontend. I am  
planning to purchase a used Nexus One and install Replicant on it as it seems  
the WiFi chip is supported.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant ?

2013-10-25 Thread mve1

Thanks for the response!

(sorry, I don't know how to quote text, so I will answer one by one here  
without your quoted text).


I e-mailed the developers yesterday and I'm waiting for a response.

I tried copying the CM firmware into my Replicant but couldn't get the WiFi  
to work. The files under system/vendor/firmware on CM (the ones related to  
Broadcom) are different files than the ones listed on the Replicant website).  
I downloaded a stock ROM with the intention of extracting the proprietary  
firmware from that but they are .img files and I couldn't figure out how to  
unpack or mount them so I could see the directory tree.


As far as I could see, Samsung does not provide the stock ROM. They can be  
found elsewhere, but none of them include a .pit file (to re-partition). I am  
weary of trying to flash the stock ROM without a .pit file. As you can  
probably tell, I am not knowledgeable on this subject. It might work without  
a .pit file...it might not. I didn't want to risk bricking one of the phones  
to test.


I will try their IRC channel for the 3G. They make it clear they will not  
help with the proprietary WiFi firmware (which I can understand). The forum  
is quite empty. I may try to post there regarding 3G as well. I kind of wish  
they provided support for the WiFi since it is really quite necessary. I  
curse Broadcom and not Replicant though.


I also noticed on the homescreen of replicant that it still includes the  
Google search box. I would like to change that to duckduckgo but it seems it  
is also used to search within the phone, so I'm not sure if this is possible.  
I haven't done much to look for a solution to this, since without any  
networking all I do is make and receive calls. I don't use a cell phone much  
anyway, but the Note was for my wife and she uses her phone more than I  
do...she's...hmmm...not so happy with me right now :/


Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant ?

2013-10-25 Thread mve1

Hi shokin...

Yes, it seems that they all require some non-free firmware. Hopefully someone  
will reverse engineer the bcm4330 at least. If it were a laptop I would have  
no problem buying a free USB WiFi stick. As it is a phone, I don't think the  
WiFi card can be replaced...but I don't know.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant ?

2013-10-25 Thread mve1

Hi prvteprts,

Can you explain to me how you reverted to the stock ROM with  
heimdall-frontend? Where did you download the Stock ROM from? Did it include  
a .pit file and is that needed? I guess I should have gone for the Nexus One.  
Pity.




Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant ?

2013-10-25 Thread Michał Masłowski
Nexus One isn't supported by the current version of Replicant and it
needs firmware for wifi, audio and microphone unlike most other
supported phones.

Some phones have a USB host, while it doesn't provide enough power for
the ThinkPenguin FSF-certified wifi card to work without external power.


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Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant ?

2013-10-25 Thread mve1
I guess the S2 and Note were better choices then. I mostly wanted a Replicant  
phone so I could use redphone and some other programs for encrypted comms.  
I'm willing to compromise on the non-free WiFi for now. I'm not happy about  
that, don't get me wrong. I'm also not happy with non-free bios or efi on  
desktops and laptops.


Without 3G and WiFi these phones are useless for me though. I'd rather use a  
20 dollar phone and use it sparingly. They are all tracking devices anyway. I  
will keep trying to get Replicant working with 3G and WiFi. If not I will try  
CM (which I am not thrilled about). If none of that works, back to stock ROM  
and time to replace for cheap non-smart phone.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant ?

2013-10-25 Thread mikko . viinamaki

If I cannot get it and 3G to work on Replicant I will try Cyanogenmod.

I have a creepy feeling about Cyanogenmod

http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=4231387threshold=1commentsort=0mode=threadcid=44887151

http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/12/11/14/2128211/cyanogenmod-domain-hijacked


Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant

2013-10-03 Thread chris
You might also want to look at the ZTE Open. I wouldn't call it free  
software friendly as it does depend on non-free firmware for the wifi  
although I believe the replicant phones all do too and it also has non-free  
maps. However the phone uses a 3d graphics chipset that has a reverse  
engineered driver in the works for it and the wifi chipset is an Atheros  
chipset (ath6k I think). Ultimately it might make a very good free software  
phone if someone pursues Atheros to release the drivers for it. Plus it's got  
a very low price point ($80 USD). The other thing in its favor is it's  
running firefox OS. Which is suppose to be free software friendly. The  
downside might be that it is more like software as a service model. The other  
downside is nobody has yet (as far as I'm aware) managed to get the code to  
compile on it. Another downside is that ZTE has no plans to release updates  
for it so unless we get the firefox OS working it may be all downhill from  
here out. And lastly ZTE has no plans on another production run of this phone  
so if we did get Atheros to release the firmware for the wifi and everything  
eventually worked it would not be much of a victory (short of maybe working  
on a campaign to get funding for a whole production run? and ZTE agreeing to  
it).


In any case here it is:

http://stores.ebay.com/ZTE-Mobile-US

Clearly I did only a tad bit of research on this with no results and no plans  
at the moment to try to move anything forward. However I thought it might be  
worthwhile to mention it all in the case somebody else was interested or had  
an idea on how to maybe make something happen with it.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant

2013-10-03 Thread Michał Masłowski
It uses a Qualcomm SoC, it would need reverse engineering many drivers.
For this reason Replicant developers don't recommend such devices.

Replicant phones can be used without wifi, GPS, and other things
requiring nonfree firmware, while wifi has a free userspace driver, GPS
usually doesn't.  The userspace modem driver (communicating with its
firmware) is usually reverse engineered, like most drivers for sensors
and sometimes sound.

Since Firefox OS uses the same drivers as Android, I think it wouldn't
affect the difficulty of porting a completely free system.

(I'm not a Replicant user nor developer.)


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Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant

2013-10-03 Thread gnuser
While I have no experience with Replicant, which makes it impossible for me  
to help answering the questions made, I would like to point something out:  
using replicant does not make it impossible for you to be spied on. It makes  
a tiny bit harder, but you can still be spied just the same. The problem with  
smartphones is actually the way they are built (physically speaking) and not  
really the software. Using free software is good in many ways, but will do  
little to protect you from surveillance/spying/etc.
I don't know if this is important to you or not, but just wanted to let you  
guys know =)


Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant

2013-10-03 Thread jamathis
The ZTE Open is a good choice.  As far as SaaS goes, that is a yes and no  
answer.  There are two ways to develop apps for Firefox OS, hosted and  
packaged.  Hosted apps could be considered SaaS.  Packaged apps run locally  
on the device.  Hosted apps don't have access to very many of the APIs for  
the OS, while packaged apps do.  On the subject of updates, it can be rooted  
and updated.  I have not done that to mine yet.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant

2013-10-03 Thread darrenvenables
Are there really so few people here that use Replicant? I would assume a good  
number of us use mobile phones.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant

2013-10-03 Thread mikko . viinamaki
Mobile phone yes, smartphone no. And this will not change until those get  
freer.


The last phone I bought was 8€ ($10) second hand one. Ah well, more money  
for blackjack and hookers.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant

2013-10-03 Thread Fabián Rodríguez
Le 2013-10-03 04:36, darrenvenab...@shaw.ca a écrit :
 Does anyone here use a phone with Replicant? Since I'm currently
 looking to replace my bricked LG Optimus G, I'd like to know what your
 experiences with it are, especially compared to Android.

 I'd also like to know how easy it was for you to install. I can't
 afford to brick this second phone.


Please mark off-topic posts as such ([OT] in subject).

Please read the latest blog post of the Replicant project:
http://replicant.us/2013/10/replicant-4-0-0005-images-release/

A lot of how-tos have been re-written and it should now be much easier
to safely flash your device.

 I know Replicant has its own forums, but they're pretty much unwatched
 except for the developer.

If you never post there, the developer may eventually think no one needs
the forum...

F.



-- 
Fabián Rodríguez
http://trisquel.magicfab.ca



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