[Trisquel-users] Trisquel needs to be rebooted and based on Ubuntu 18.04
Trisquel 8 isn't fully out and its based on the soon to be 2 year old Ubuntu 16.04 LTS. At this point, it may be wise for the Trisquel team to start fresh with concentrating on the newer Ubuntu 18.04 code when it releases in April 2018. I hate to have seen this project die out and these forums not be about releasing anything in the past few years. Has Reuben given up? Does he care? If not, we shouldn't be held hostage by his lack of care. If there are people who still care about Trisquel, do something. Anything.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel needs to be rebooted and based on Ubuntu 18.04
Wow this is really not helpful. Don't forget you are emailing a list of volunteers, your not returning a broken toaster at Walmart. For what it is worth, I am very grateful for all the hard work that has gone into Trisquel. It's been grate for my business and home! Wish I was in a better position to donate :( -Patrick
Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel needs to be rebooted and based on Ubuntu 18.04
Yep, this thread is kind of useless.
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Yes t3g because criticizing someones hard work when you do nothing to contribute is totally a good way to show you care. Yes this totally moves Ruben to want to work harder. Indeed, feel free to flame him as much as you want. I am sure that will make him work harder. And I am sure that people won't thumb your post down a good 3+ number of times because of this thread. ;P
Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel needs to be rebooted and based on Ubuntu 18.04
t3g, if you came to the Freedom Fridays meetings you would not be saying these things. You don't even show up to the meetings on IRC and instead sit on the sidelines and complain. 18.04 will be Trisquel 9.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel needs to be rebooted and based on Ubuntu 18.04
How about you spend less time attacking people personally and more getting a free software OS out the door?
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Or they could finish the Trisquel 8 release and then start work on Trisquel 9... Seems perfectly reasonable to me, given how close Trisquel 8 is to a release.
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Why don't you also help with getting a free software OS out the door? Your complaining messages don't motivate people to help, don't help the new version come any faster, and if anything is a distraction.
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onp...@riseup.net wrote .. > Or they could finish the Trisquel 8 release and then start work on Trisquel > 9... > > Seems perfectly reasonable to me, given how close Trisquel 8 is to a release. That's what they're trying to do. I suggested it, and I got gung ho about getting into Trisquel development because I wanted to stop being a part of the problem and start being a part of the solution. But the X200 kernel panics in running VMs. :(
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t3g is half right, jxself. Your time and energy is too valuable to waste on this pointless thread. Thanks for all that you do, and ignore the haters. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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I agree with t3g that Trisquel should be based on an up to date version of Ubuntu, so that it will be compatible with new software and libraries (without requiring messing around with unofficial repositories). t3g, if you need more up to date software libraries and packages in the meantime you can try the stable Hyperbola distribution (based on Arch with Debian patches but not a rolling release) or the rolling release Parabola. Waiting for releases of Trisquel, which has cut down on releases since version 6 (beforehand they also had non-LTS releases such as 5.5) to focus on long term releases, and has also stopped providing releases in a timely manner (Trisquel 8 should have come out half a year after the Ubuntu it is based on was released which is almost 18 months ago), seems a wasted effort at this point in time.
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What exactly are you agreeing on? Everybody with half a brain "agrees" that T8 is late. That goes without saying. It doesn't follow that the OP is right about much anything. He's been complaining about it, we know about it and there's nothing more to do about it. I use T8 on my HP laptop. It works and I'm quite happy with it. Looking forward to the next iteration, T9. They say they are speeding up its development.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel needs to be rebooted and based on Ubuntu 18.04
Use jxself's linux-libre-lts package. And you can have another way to boot the system if need be. Just a thought.
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Yes, this! "if you need more up to date software libraries and packages in the meantime you can try the stable Hyperbola distribution (based on Arch with Debian patches but not a rolling release)" t3g should try this idea. Although, encryption is a little trickier, but meh, better than complaining nonstop eh?
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Yes Jxself, I bet he couldn't fork Trisquel anymore than I could. That's kind of what the first post I made was trying to say, albeit very sarcasticly. I usually don't see you get this steamed ever... He must have really crossed the line huh... Welp, somehow I am not surprised that t3g crossed this line again. But yeah, he is a hater troll don't pay any attention to him.
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Magicbanana, sorry, but I hate to say, I find this entertaining... although utterly stupid and pointless. And yes, unproductive in many different ways.
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loldier, I agree with t3g that it might be better to prioritize the release of Trisquel 9 over releasing both Trisquel 8 and Trisquel 9, since Trisquel 8 is based on an almost 2 year old system. Since Ubuntu LTS releases are supported for 5 years, Trisquel does not need to offer all the versions, but when it does release a new version it is preferable that it is based on an up to date release so that once installed the user can use it for almost 5 years. Trisquel 8 will only be usable for up to 3 years because it is based on a 2 year old release.
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Even if you'll give a small donation of a million dollars to Trisquel, it will still be deep behind the Ubuntu. I'm seeing so many +100 euro donations but its' just a waste of money and despite all these donation there is still no Trisquel 8. Donation is an investment, and in this case its' a very poor one
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Nope, it is quite useful - this thread is raising the awareness. Trisquel is in a deep trouble, and to get out of this situation 1st of all we should admit this trouble and don't bury head in the sand
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> 18.04 will be Trisquel 9 When? XXII century?
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> They say they are speeding up its development speeding up: snail speed --> turtle speed?
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Come on.. Deblobbed Buguntu 8 will be ready in a year or so.. What's the hurry? After all it's only been 700 days since it's base came out :D
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I just like the idea of a stable, secure, lightweight os. The only thing I use my system that is not lightweight is my web browser, email client, and sometimes emulation of sorts including dosbox.
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Okay, its not really mature to thumb up your own post. Or to downvote everyone you disagree with. but yeah... you just make yourself look silly.
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>The only thing I use my system that is not lightweight is my web browser, email client, and sometimes emulation of sorts including dosbox. Browser (Firefox) is the only bloat here (if we don't count the TorBB that is). Light software FTW \o/
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So icedove isn't at all bloated? I use iceweasel with a few addons, noscript being an obvious one of them given that it is like giving the tank armor part of that which is firefox. Or in my case iceweasel. Hyperbola has iceweasel package that is hardened which I use. ;) ps, emulation can eat up battery quickly under some circrumstances. Such as mupen64plus or mgba and desmume obviously. I stopped using them though a while ago.
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After all, does anyone give me a brief easy conclusion? I cannot understand which assertion is more reasonable. I am a begginer, but, >since Trisquel 8 is based on an almost 2 year old system. sounds strange. That's understandable. I mean, why does it be based on 2 year old system? might be a begginers' natural question. I am not going to let them speed up. And it seems that basically they don't intend them to speed up. I am not also going to criticize something. But I wonder to seem that discussion stopped on the way in spite of not having a valuable and reasonable conclusion. If I am misunderstanding that, please correct me:) At least for me, it seems that discussion stopped on the way.
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> But I wonder to seem that > discussion stopped on the way in spite of not having a valuable and > reasonable conclusion. You are somewhat new to the forum, so you may not realize that this discussion has been had many times already. I think many of us would find it boring to continue to have it again, and there is no point because Trisquel 8 is days from being released. Trisquel 8 came later than Trisquel releases normally do. We all know that. As long as it is released before Ubuntu 18.04, the development of Trisquel 9 has not been delayed. The circumstances that delayed Trisquel 8 have changed, so Trisquel 9 will probably be released faster. There's not much else to say that hasn't already been said. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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I see. Thanks. So am I understand to that: •Trisquel 8 was delayed unexpectedly reason (I understand lacking manpower and Mr. Ruben was worked at FSF are main reason), so the delay forced to basing Trisquel 8 on Ubuntu 16.04. (Releasing Trisquel 8 which is based on Ubuntu 18.04 before release of Ubuntu 18.04 is impossible) ? And I want to support something if the reason of delay of newer OS has serious problems, and if I can do something support. Many people probably think so, but does >The development of Trisquel 9 has not been delayed. The circumstances that delayed Trisquel 8 have changed, so Trisquel 9 will probably be released faster. means that project solved the problems which delayed the development of Trisquel 8? Could you tell me that how the circumstances was improved? I was guessing that the primary problem was an economical problem. And lack of skillful developers (I have no idea how many people have skill which can develop even OS) might be as well. As my guess is correct, is there something which we (even begginers) can do for it? just chant? And it has nothing to do with it but do you like Cuban music? (I know I know we have argued once about off-topic :)
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> so the delay forced to > basing Trisquel 8 on Ubuntu 16.04. Not exactly. Trisquel 8 was always going to be based on 16.04. It just took longer than usual. Trisquel 9 was always going to be based on 18.04, which is why development of Trisquel 9 can't begin until 18.04 is released later this month. Normally, versions of Trisquel are released about 6 months after the corresponding Ubuntu release[1]. > Could you tell me that how the circumstances was improved? From an announcment[2] several months ago: "The good news is that at the FSF my workload has normalized through this last year, and now I have regained the time to commit myself to weekly development meetings and other necessary work." > is there something which we (even begginers) can do > for it? We can help wrap up Trisquel 8 development by testing the newest ISOs[3] and reporting[4] any remaining bugs. Writing and translating documentation is another way to help. Would you be interested in translating documentation to Japanese? > And it has nothing to do with it but do you like Cuban > music? I'm not familiar with much Cuban music. Do you have any recommendations? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trisquel#Release_history [2] https://trisquel.info/en/forum/freedom-fridays-development-meetings-2018-plans [3] https://trisquel.info/en/forum/trisquel-8-codename-flidas-release-candidate-ready-testing [4] https://trisquel.info/en/project/issues signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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Thanks. It cleared my questions some degree. But I can think that testing and reporting are very important and helpful works, but I also want a something gaudy and jolly work like a festival which we all can join and excites us..., if can. Though just using Trisquel excited me. I am interest in translating of course. It seems fun. But I have thought that it is difficult for me to translate that since my English skill. But since you gave me the mention, mind as well consult my friend on that. Then I might ask david san. It seems you are also one of the main characters of the project though, I don't know well. Every Cuban musician has exceptional skill. Literally exceptional. You might like it.
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> I am interest in translating of course. It seems fun. But I have > thought that it is difficult for me to translate that since my > English skill. How comfortable do you feel with understanding the English documentation yourself? For example, this page: https://trisquel.info/en/wiki/how-create-liveusb > Then I might ask david san. Yes, I think he would be the person to ask. > It seems you > are also one of the main characters of the project though, I don't > know well. No, I am not. I just post here a lot. :) > Every Cuban musician has exceptional skill. Literally exceptional. > You might like it. Thanks for the advice. :) signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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MSuzuqi wrote: "But I have thought that it is difficult for me to translate that since my English skill." Your understanding of written English seems pretty good to me. As long as you can understand the English text that needs translating, I'm sure you'd do a great job of expressing its meaning clearly in Japanese.
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It is a challenge or a nightmare for more than 99% musicians rather than an advice. Similarly, Cezanne is nightmare for more than 99% painters. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=79geSY9jQLQ https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=S0bkJYQdCSQ
