Re: [Trisquel-users] What are the things that Trisquel can do but Windows 7 can't?
Thanks!
Re: [Trisquel-users] What are the things that Trisquel can do but Windows 7 can't?
I don't what happens with gnome shell... But i think is fantastich
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GNOME Shell is amazing: http://www.gnome.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/window-selection-3.10.png
Re: [Trisquel-users] What are the things that Trisquel can do but Windows 7 can't?
How do we install that in Trisquel? There won't be any redundant programs (file browser, archiver, etc) because Gnome Classic uses all the same stuff right?
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Yes. It is easy. Terminal: sudo apt-get install gnome-session gnome-shell After this you log out and choose GNOME instead of GNOME Classic in the login screen (GDM).
Re: [Trisquel-users] What are the things that Trisquel can do but Windows 7 can't?
Bragging about features misses starchild's point. That free software is a community-controlled public good. That it works for the users' interests. It's fine to recognize things that proprietary software does better, or express that kind of opinion. If someone asks us whether proprietary software has a better feature; there's no need to hide it or lie about it. Working at improving features is important, but freedom is more important (to us).
Re: [Trisquel-users] What are the things that Trisquel can do but Windows 7 can't?
The only benefit of Windows 7 is you can play games on it - but this is changing what with Steam and Wine etc. Trisquel ensures trouble free browsing - with my Windows 7 machine I never allowed it on the Internet (except for once when I needed the GCC compiler for Windows). You get a lot of programs to choose from in Trisquel for free, that you can download. Things like games, office programs, maths and education stuff. When I was running it I filled my PC with lots of different programming tools, games and VLC (a video player). Windows 7 also uses loads of RAM (like 3GB or something) whereas Trisquel doesn't. Although this version of Linux doesn't come with propriety graphics cards drivers I think the 3D open source graphic card drivers are getting pretty good now for 3D work/games. Trisquel and Linux distributions in general also don't phone home back to Microsoft, to see whether it's a pirated version or not. If you do install Trisquel make sure you don't have the Atheros chipset on your wireless/network card. This needs some external proprietary firmware to work. I normally Google the wireless / networking card model and Linux compatibility. Also, if it's a laptop you're using, try to look up the graphics card for Linux compatibility too. I always try the new distro on my hardware and test everything's working before installing it.
Re: [Trisquel-users] What are the things that Trisquel can do but Windows 7 can't?
I play free games in GNU + Linux-libre perfectly.
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It is a developer problem. They create binaries with all libraries for Windows and OS X. In GNU(+Linux, kFreeBSD, Hurd, Darwin, etc) or *BSD they doesn't do this. They wait for packagers from distros or for you compile from source. Some applications is easy to download and install in any distribution. Like Firefox, Thunderbird, LibreOffice, Jitsi, Blender, Synfig. They created binaries with all or main libraries. I can install all this applications without internet access in distros from 2009 or newer. You need to create one project with most commons free software with all libraries compiled and create binaries for the most of distros. :-D
Re: [Trisquel-users] What are the things that Trisquel can do but Windows 7 can't?
To answer all the replies to my first post at once: When I first started using Trisquel, I didn't have an Internet connection. I was dependent on another Windows computer for Internet access. When I used Windows, I had loved to install new programs, copy them between computers with a flash drive, try them out for a bit, and then remove them if I didn't like them. On Trisquel I found that impossible. I would get the package from the repositories and suddenly find its dependencies weren't satisfied, and then that those dependencies had dependencies, and I would have to download ''n'' things instead of one installer package. It was a lot of annoying back-and-forth. And the repositories are a little like Apple's App Store in how they control us. Good luck if you want to remove any software you've installed from an outside source! I'm fairly sure I have some outside programs installed for which I deleted the installer .deb. It doesn't matter that separate dependency inclusion is inefficient. What matters is that it's easy to use. No matter how you tout the advantages of Trisquel, I found software management easier on Windows. It ''just worked'', as some would say.
Re: [Trisquel-users] What are the things that Trisquel can do but Windows 7 can't?
Well, don't forget that the Windows way is only effective because Windows is very popular. Because Microsoft doesn't help provide software, you only get a program if the developer of that program takes the time to build it properly for Windows, or if you compile the source yourself (not a fun task on Windows). As for dependency inclusion: some people who distribute GNU binaries actually do that. I think Ryzom is an example. But it's not universal for distribution of GNU binaries. This isn't because of a superior design in Windows, but rather quite the opposite: because Windows has no reliable way to share dependencies, developers are forced to include these dependencies with Windows binaries if they want them to work without a lot of manual work. With Ubuntu, on the other hand, the software developer only needs to package their own software and use libraries from the system. In short, the system Windows uses doesn't work because it's a good system. It works because it's a terrible system being used on a very popular OS. You just can't do it on a system that isn't as prominent as Windows.
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And the repositories are a little like Apple's App Store in how they control us. Good luck if you want to remove any software you've installed from an outside source! This makes no sense whatsoever.
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The feature that Windows doesn't have and never will is that Trisquel has respect for the user and last but not least, is ethically and morally correct, end of story. The satisfaction that comes with it, is just overwhelming.
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Yes, you have the freedom to intall GNOME Shell. No matter how horrible it is.
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What are the things that Trisquel can do but Windows 7 can't? Respect your freedom. 'nuff said.
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I think it is great and prefer it to anything else at the moment.
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It has a full Office suite installed, usable on first boot. No need to go looking for one or worse, paying for MSOffice.
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You can use GNOME Shell.
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I think it's mostly things that windows 7 HAS and trisquel does not. Such as DRM. I once tried to transfer a file from a computer to a external hdd. Windows did not let me, because the file had microsoft DRM. Trisquel is faster, easier to install, you can change gui a lot more easily.
Re: [Trisquel-users] What are the things that Trisquel can do but Windows 7 can't?
Better package management.
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Trisquel can do things with freedom. The best way is migrate from proprietary applications to free as in freedom applications. After this everybody can use Trisquel without problems. Install in your Windows: Firefox, Thunderbird, LibreOffice, VLC, Jitsi, Deluge(or qbittorrent), GIMP, Inkscape, Scribus, Blender, Audacity, etc (you can search others here in Trisquel website (also in the distribution, of course) or in the Free Software Directory). After this step you can install the default Trisquel (GNOME Panel+Compiz) or with GNOME Shell or KDE or XFCE. Or try Trisquel Mini with LXDE. And try to move out people from Facebook, Google Plus, Twitter, Skype, Flickr, YouTube and move to Diaspora, pump.io, XMPP and GNU MediaGoblin.
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From an ethical perspective, I'm not sure it's right to say good things about proprietary software, whether or not those things are true. I fail to see how what you've said can benefit us in any way.
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You seem to have forgotten that proprietary software can be functional and user-friendly, too.
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If you find design flaws in free software, then it can be improved.
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At this point, it can't. It would require an overhaul of the entire system.
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1) Trisquel Doesn't spy on you; Windows 7 does. 2) Trisquel let's you run unix applications; Windows 7 has non-free cygwin but it's just not the same. 3) Trisquel let's you recover a Windows PC from a LiveCD; Windows 7 doesn't have a LiveCD officially and BartPE imo doesn't do as good of a job. 4) Trisquel let's you easily host your own servers; Windows 7 after disabling multiple firewalls and UAC settings let's you do the same but is likely more vunerable to malicious attackers. 5) Trisquel is open-source so you can modify whatever you want; Windows 7 is a buggy black box. Yes, it's not as user-friendly as some Windows 7 features and hardware support, but with tweaking and continued bugs filed against the right packages it is my hope it one day will be. :)
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On 06/11/13 11:28, gaming4jc2 wrote: 2) Trisquel let's you run unix applications; Windows 7 has non-free cygwin but it's just not the same. cygwin is free software! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cygwin Andrew.
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On 06/11/13 10:01, c269824 wrote: Oh, gosh, no. On Windows there's no such thing as a broken package. On Windows you never have to worry about dependencies. On Windows you can install things easily without an Internet connection because of those dependencies. On Windows you don't depend on your distro's repositories being kept up-to-date. I maintain that Windows has better software management. I don't entirely agree. Each program on Windows provides its own updating capabilities. On a typical Windows system you will see notifications for Adobe and Java updates along with Windows updates, and in the background there are updates for Google and Mozilla software. Recent games on Windows also update regularly. I don't believe the part about internet connections, as many software updaters on Windows assume you have an internet connection. Another point on internet connectivity is that many users have some form of access to the internet, even if that means going to a library, internet cafe with WiFi or the local university. Package management on Windows doesn't manage dependencies, which is why installers for Windows include all dependencies and are sometimes quite big. Broken packages aren't that common on GNU/Linux distros. I personally haven't had any packages break on me. I recall there being an issue related to installing Epiphany in Trisquel a while back, and also issues with the abrowser/firefox package dependencies. But these typically cause issues in non-standard installations. Andrew.
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Cygwin is mostly free. It has several packages with freedom issues which is why I mentioned it was non-free; see here: http://www.cygwin.com/packages/ Compare those against this libre blacklist: http://repo.parabolagnulinux.org/docs/blacklist.txt
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Windows doesn't have a package management system. Only system-level updates are delivered by Microsoft themselves. Other than that, it only has a standard for decentralized production of installers; it's up to software developers to make these installers, figure out how to include dependencies, provide an update mechanism, etc. Many developers don't even bother with this, and just package a binary in an archive and tell Windows users, extract and run. The only reason it arguably works better than the centralized package system Trisquel uses is because Windows is very popular, so much so that software developers feel obligated to provide something easy for Windows users, and sharing dependencies that aren't in every base system is so impractical that each program just comes with its own copy of every dependency.
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Oh, gosh, no. On Windows there's no such thing as a broken package... Let W$ = Windows Let M$ = Microsoft On the contrary on a W$ system just about every package is broken. Firstly, with native code programs other than the function bundled with bare W$ itself very little code is shared between apps, the technical details of how DLLs don't version prevents this. So when you install a W$ app you install a separate copy of common program parts for every program and these have to be loaded separately for each program. Thus you use a lot of disk and memory you don't need to, which is broken software packaging. Trisquel programs are much better at sharing code and there is more function in the shared code. The result is you can do more at one time with a computer running Trisquel than you could if it were running W$. Secondly, with Trisquel probably all your app needs will be met from the repo. So you have one update program, which reminds you once or twice a week when there are updates, you install them when it suits you. W$ programs typically check individually, phoning home every time they're loaded and if there are updates they attempt to maintain themselves there and then. Thus interrupting your train of thought and workflow precisely when you don't need it. Those once a month tasks your boss sets you, which you have to use other than your usual tools for, each become additional software maintenance sessions. This W$ behaviour is a broken approach to delivering packages. Thirdly you're forgetting all the software that stops working properly or at all when maintenance, particularly a new Service Pack has been applied. If dependencies are broken and you can still install these are the sort of things that happen. So a percentage are properly the consequence of not packaging properly.
[Trisquel-users] What are the things that Trisquel can do but Windows 7 can't?
What are the features that Trisquel has but Windows 7 doesn't? I want to know more about Trisquel and any special features that it has. If possible, please make a list of such features. I can use it to persuade people to switch from Windows to GNU/Linux.
