Re: [Trisquel-users] Libre.fm and Rhythmbox
Thank you, CM.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Libre.fm and Rhythmbox
> Maybe I overlooked this, but why doesn't Rhythmbox open up from the Mate > menu? It's a bug. Workaround: $ sudo pluma /usr/share/applications/rhythmbox.desktop and change ^_Name=Rhythmbox Music Player to Name=Rhythmbox Music Player signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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Maybe I overlooked this, but why doesn't Rhythmbox open up from the Mate menu? I checked the box in System Preferences> Main Menu > Look & Feel to make the Rhythmbox icon appear in the Sound & Video menu, but when I click it, the program doesn't open up, and I have to open from the command line. The radio stations don't load, either. Any help? Thanks.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Libre.fm and Rhythmbox
> It doesn't seem like GNU FM/ Libre.fm is getting much development > energy any more, Unfortunately it looks like you're right. The last sign of activity I see is a question from you that has gone answered for two months. This is a shame, as I feel like the concept behind these projects has a lot of potential. One thing I find interesting is that although only free artists appear in search results and are streamable through the site, when I scrobble non-free artists from Rhythmbox they show up on my Libre.fm profile, where there are links to their artist page. See Bjork's[1] for an example. What interests me is that at the bottom of the page is a list of similar free artists. I would like to see data like this used to create a music streaming platform whose recommendation system helps users discover free artists who are similar to their favorite non-free artists. [1] https://libre.fm/artist/Björk/ signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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chaosmonk: > The Libre.fm wiki recommends clients for various platforms. I'm not sure why if none works. It doesn't seem like GNU FM/ Libre.fm is getting much development energy any more, maybe for the same reason GNU social hasn't yet merged ActivityPub support, and MediaGoblin is all but dead. Newer projects like FunkWhale, Mastodon/ Pleroma, and PeerTube, are doing the same thing with more modern tooling, so the people who were driving those projects have mostly moved on to other things. TrisquelWhare: > The Icecast / Shoutcast streams from Jamendo are not working properly right now, and it looks like¹ they haven't worked since at least December 2017. I wouldn't hold you breath ;) That was around the time they did the big re-skin of their website and de-emphasized the CC licenses in their UI. I'm assuming they were running out of runway and the VCs who invested in them, when CC media was the Next Big Thing(TM) in ethical consumption, started demanding a return on their investment. https://techcrunch.com/2010/01/07/digital-music-startup-jamendo-runs-out-of-steam-mulls-sale/ http://www.onthecommons.org/jamendo-global-commons-music It was also around the time the music industry started moving its focus from pay-per-download models like iTunes to subscription services like Spotify. BTW Long time no see TW! Hope you're well :)
Re: [Trisquel-users] Libre.fm and Rhythmbox
The internet radio streams from Jamendo are very good, and they target many specific music genres. However, I'm using Starfrosch instead mostly at present, as I prefer to use an external player rather than a browser-based player. The Icecast / Shoutcast streams from Jamendo are not working properly right now, and it looks like¹ they haven't worked since at least December 2017. Jamendo state on their developer website² that they intend to address this problem "during quarter 3 of 2019". Once this is fixed, I'll look forward to setting up the Jamendo internet radio streams for myself in Quod Libet. For now though, Starfrosch suits my needs. They have three radio streams³ available, including 헦혁헮헿헳헿헼혀헰헵 헥헮헱헶헼 ퟭ which is a mix of genres, 헦혁헮헿헳헿헼혀헰헵 헥헮헱헶헼 ퟮ which is mostly electronic / EDM music, and 헦혁헮헿헳헿헼혀헰헵 헥헮헱헶헼 ퟯ which is mainly hip-hop & RnB music. The feed addresses are easy to obtain from their website, but be aware that they use a proprietary back end (SHOUTcast) and a proprietary format/codec (MP3) rather than freedom-respecting Icecast and Ogg Vorbis options. [¹] https://groups.google.com/d/msg/jamendo-dev/fhJoRyy-pnc/Ts9ZIRcsBQAJ [²] https://developer.jamendo.com/v3.0/radios/stream [³] https://starfrosch.com/radio/
Re: [Trisquel-users] Libre.fm and Rhythmbox
> I'm using the livestream / internet radio and podcast features in Quod > Libet to listen to Creative Commons music from places like Starfrosch > Radio¹, ccMixter², and Free Music Archive³ and then scrobbling out to > LibreFM. Thanks for the suggestions. I'll try these out this weekend. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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Thanks for the explanation. It's a shame that the scrobbling data can't be used for recommendations. What I would love to see is a recommendation system that suggests free artists who are similar to a non-free artist. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [Trisquel-users] Libre.fm and Rhythmbox
Very nice! I had found jamendo before, but the other three are all new to me. That's a lot of music.
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I'm using the livestream / internet radio and podcast features in Quod Libet to listen to Creative Commons music from places like Starfrosch Radio¹, ccMixter², and Free Music Archive³ and then scrobbling out to LibreFM. When I find something that I particularly like, I'll download it (and possibly even download the wider discography of that artist) from Jamendo⁴. I'm really enjoying listening to free (as in freedom) music. My scrobbles are at https://libre.fm/user/TrisquelWhare/recent-tracks [¹] https://starfrosch.com [²] http://ccmixter.org [³] https://freemusicarchive.org [⁴] https://www.jamendo.com
Re: [Trisquel-users] Libre.fm and Rhythmbox
Scrobbling was a new thing with last.fm about 15 years ago, when it first became a service and it envisioned itself as a social network platform. Basically, you would form communities of people that had similar listening histories based on songs they had scrobbled, you could find friends, share recommendations amongst each other, have discussions about favorite songs, etc. As you can imagine, it never really took off as a major social network platform, and today is mainly just used as another music streaming service. In fact, last.fm doesn't even stream its own music anymore. The only way to use the site is to enable youtube or spotify to handle the music streaming backend. Libre.fm, by contrast, has always used the GNU FM streaming backend, which is a project of the FSF. Libre.fm doesn't seem to have such a huge catalog of songs that they offer up many recommendations. But if you like a certain type of music you can search for it, such as "slow jazz", and libre.fm will play you a big playlist of songs that users have tagged with that characteristic. The scrobbling aspect of libre.fm seems to be simply to keep track of your own listening habits. This is really good on a service like libre.fm, where you are constantly being introduced to new music you've never heard of. If you did not have a listening history, you would not be easily able to figure out which song it was that you really liked that you listened to at some point in the past. Also, as with last.fm, if you had friends on libre.fm you would be able to share your scrobbled listening histories with each other, and learn about some new songs. At one time, last.fm had some algorithms they used to send you music recommendations based on your scrobbled listening history. People actually used to pay them a monthly fee for services like that. Today, I figure they are probably just using the recommendations from spotify or youtube. If you want to view my scrobble reports, you can see my last.fm one here: https://www.last.fm/user/andyprough, and my libre.fm one here: https://libre.fm/user/andyprough/stats. On libre.fm, I highly recommend any music by Keffy Kay (https://libre.fm/artist/Keffy+Kay/), all of which is free to download. On last.fm I'm partial to Germany's Ulrich Schnauss and England's Zero 7 (both of whom made it big via last.fm), and I am last.fm friends with a Netherlands musician named Jap Jap and a Finnish musician named Lackluster.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Libre.fm and Rhythmbox
If someone can help me find documentation on how to get data from libre.fm (Didn't find any information about that in the web site). I can work on a desktop app (GTK) for it.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Libre.fm and Rhythmbox
> Clients to play last.fm music haven't worked since about 2010. There are > still some clients which claim they can "scrobble" to last.fm (list the > tracks you played on your desktop to the last.fm list of played tracks), > but none of them will actually play the music in quite a few years in my > experience. I expect libre.fm is the same - you probably won't get > rhythmbox or any other client to play the music streams. That's disappointing. The Libre.fm wiki recommends clients for various platforms. I'm not sure why if none works. I'll bring it up there. > I simply use the libre.fm web player to play the tracks and find and > download music. Yeah, I've tried to make sense of the web interface. Is there any way to make use of the scrobbling data to recommend new music? If not, what is the point of scrobbling? Why collect data that isn't used for anything? signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [Trisquel-users] Libre.fm and Rhythmbox
@chaosmonk - > If I create a radio station by entering an artist's name, the station > appears in Rhythmbox's sidebar under Libre.fm, but attempting to use it > gives this error: "Error tuning station: 3 - Invalid Method - No method > with that name in this package". Even though I'm not interested in using > Last.fm, I made an account to see if I got the same error, and I did, so > I suspect that the problem is in Rhythmbox and not Libre.fm. Clients to play last.fm music haven't worked since about 2010. There are still some clients which claim they can "scrobble" to last.fm (list the tracks you played on your desktop to the last.fm list of played tracks), but none of them will actually play the music in quite a few years in my experience. I expect libre.fm is the same - you probably won't get rhythmbox or any other client to play the music streams. I simply use the libre.fm web player to play the tracks and find and download music. It is a fantastic service with a lot of really good undiscovered music. I use it quite often, and have downloaded a lot of free tracks. @supertramp - > I don't use any and I also do not have an account on libre.fm but a quick search turned out: > https://packages.debian.org/stretch/zomg > https://packages.debian.org/buster/mpdas zomg hasn't been updated since 2008, and doesn't appear to be maintained at all. I highly doubt that it works. In reading through the old bug reports, I wonder if it ever worked much at all. mpdas does not claim to play the music, only to "scrobble" it, or list your played tracks to the last.fm or libre.fm websites.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Libre.fm and Rhythmbox
Hi chaosmonk, I'm using Quod Libet¹ (QL) for this purpose. No only can it scrobblize to either Last.fm or Libre.fm, but it also can handle podcasts, and it interfaces with MusicBrainz², allowing for automated metadata and cover-art lookups. There is also a powerful scripting language built in to QL which is very handy for the serious digital audio archivist. Hope this helps. [¹] https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/Quod_Libet [²] https://www.musicbrainz.org
Re: [Trisquel-users] Libre.fm and Rhythmbox
> I don't use any and I also do not have an account on libre.fm but a quick > search turned out: > https://packages.debian.org/stretch/zomg > https://packages.debian.org/buster/mpdas > > It would appear, and I just found this out, my favorite music player, > cmus, can get you where you want to be with a script.. I use cmus as well. However, I'm looking for a graphical solution to recommend to normies. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [Trisquel-users] Libre.fm and Rhythmbox
>I have the same issues. and didnt found any solution or good client for libre.fm... I don't use any and I also do not have an account on libre.fm but a quick search turned out: https://packages.debian.org/stretch/zomg https://packages.debian.org/buster/mpdas It would appear, and I just found this out, my favorite music player, cmus, can get you where you want to be with a script..
