Re: [TROM1] Fun with RI
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hi Aarre Sorry if I caused you some embarressment over that question, I just see something and ask the question, it would not occur to me to think about if it was a public forum or not It's a good job you don't have a live conversation with me you would be pretty confused after a short while, we right brained people (to use a model) jump about all over the place depending what idea or picture is brought up into mind by what the other person says. I don't use my second name, I don't actually like it, I dunno why, I think it's something to do with the fact that my name or names is not actually who I really am, I often get a false or pretend feeling about it when I use them, that's probably a bit weird, but there you go. I believe most of my upset is in past lives, but several, including Robert Ducharme, who developed R3X (routine 3 expanded), have suggested that most of this lifetime charge/upset is tied up in prenatal incidents. I haven't decided what to believe about it yet, but it stands to reason that you can create a lot more postulates in 76 trillion years than you can in one lifetime. But the postulates relating to this lifetime might be given a lot more importance/weighting/emphasis, and thus be more 'keyed in' than the not current stuff. Dennis talked about importance/urgency/intensity in a postulate being important in how it affects us. I know that I don't know, and that's a higher awareness than I had when I was a teenager. When I was a teenager, I arrogantly thought that I knew everything. The more that I learn, the more that I realize that I don't know a lot still. It ultimately probably doesn't matter anyway, as long as one is doing the TROM the way that we've been told works. I currently agree with Dennis that everything in the physical universe is knowable, and that when we get to the completion of level 5, we can know it if we want to. I can't prove that that datum is true, but have decided to accept it as a truth for working purposes under the postulate that I will find out when I get there if it's true or not. I believe that we won't be disappointed. Actually, my compulsion to know everything is shrinking as I do my TROM, and I get more balanced on the 4 know postulates. I dunno, I feel as if I am on a different path to what a Scientologist for example would have in mind or rather the ideas and tech LRH produced, I think I have written before that there appear to me to be people who want more of the physic universe, greater power over it, higher ability, like the OT levels, I don't find that. What I want is less and less of the physical, The peace that passeth all understanding is a good way of putting it. Maybe people or should I say Beings are at different points on a spiritual cycle. I cannot bypass or ignore what I really feel or my experience, all this, the PU I mean is as nothing, it's not serious or important, it has no value to me in the aquisition of goods, chasing after lots of sex for instance, aquireing great ego status, Place me in the open countryside with huge space about me, what else do I need. I agree. My many past track incidents are beyond this lifetime belief. Ask Colleen; she's audited me well over a hundred hours all over the time track. I couldn't have dreamed that stuff up out of my wildest imagination! I don't deny that you can find many past lives and so on in people, it's quite an interest of mine actually, I may pick it up again sometime in the future, I got to be honest though, it's more like just a fun game to me, like discovering unknown thiings, I have more of a mindset of bringing people into the present and then asking them what goals they would like to achieve, that will bring them alive and into creating. What happened in July? Do you have current pain? The tecnical name is Aortic dissection: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0001233 And I still have pain but have a positive mental attitude and I am feeling better every day. , but I have a lot of anecdotes. Do you remember that in the Marcab Confederacy, there were race tracks, where they raced to the 'death', and only the winner got to live. I have read that or heard it, it's beyond my reality level to be honest, I don't see past lives or earlier universe in my mind, I have seen many strange mental picture I have never been able to make out what they are, it's odd that, I can see them but I can't describe them, it's like there is a disconnection between the picture and being able to decribe it in my mind. I don't have that problem with this lifetime pictures only with those very strange ones. IT'S MY SINCERE BELIEF THAT WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO ABSOLUTELY TURN OFF THE PHYSICAL UNIVERSE TOTALLY FOR OURSELVES BEFORE WE CAN PROPERLY ASSESS JUST HOW MUCH OF IT THAT WE WANT TO HAVE. That is
Re: [TROM1] Fun with RI
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 10:34 AM, Mickel mickel1...@blueyonder.co.ukwrote: * The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hi Aarre Sorry if I caused you some embarressment over that question, I just see something and ask the question, it would not occur to me to think about if it was a public forum or not It's a good job you don't have a live conversation with me you would be pretty confused after a short while, we right brained people (to use a model) jump about all over the place depending what idea or picture is brought up into mind by what the other person says. Don't worry about the embarrassment; I already resolved it. No one else is posting much these days, except Colleen, so we really aren't displacing anyone elses stage here. If there was a lot of email traffic from others, my may feel differently. When the cats are away, the mice will play; is that a good metaphor? I don't use my second name, I don't actually like it, I dunno why, I think it's something to do with the fact that my name or names is not actually who I really am, I often get a false or pretend feeling about it when I use them, that's probably a bit weird, but there you go. I believe most of my upset is in past lives, but several, including Robert Ducharme, who developed R3X (routine 3 expanded), have suggested that most of this lifetime charge/upset is tied up in prenatal incidents. I haven't decided what to believe about it yet, but it stands to reason that you can create a lot more postulates in 76 trillion years than you can in one lifetime. But the postulates relating to this lifetime might be given a lot more importance/weighting/emphasis, and thus be more 'keyed in' than the not current stuff. Dennis talked about importance/urgency/intensity in a postulate being important in how it affects us. I know that I don't know, and that's a higher awareness than I had when I was a teenager. When I was a teenager, I arrogantly thought that I knew everything. The more that I learn, the more that I realize that I don't know a lot still. It ultimately probably doesn't matter anyway, as long as one is doing the TROM the way that we've been told works. I currently agree with Dennis that everything in the physical universe is knowable, and that when we get to the completion of level 5, we can know it if we want to. I can't prove that that datum is true, but have decided to accept it as a truth for working purposes under the postulate that I will find out when I get there if it's true or not. I believe that we won't be disappointed. Actually, my compulsion to know everything is shrinking as I do my TROM, and I get more balanced on the 4 know postulates. I dunno, I feel as if I am on a different path to what a Scientologist for example would have in mind or rather the ideas and tech LRH produced, I think I have written before that there appear to me to be people who want more of the physic universe, greater power over it, higher ability, like the OT levels, I don't find that. What I want is less and less of the physical, The peace that passeth all understanding is a good way of putting it. Maybe people or should I say Beings are at different points on a spiritual cycle. I cannot bypass or ignore what I really feel or my experience, all this, the PU I mean is as nothing, it's not serious or important, it has no value to me in the aquisition of goods, chasing after lots of sex for instance, aquireing great ego status, Place me in the open countryside with huge space about me, what else do I need. I myself am in an ongoing doubt condition about the above mentioned. The great status and aquisition of goods isn't that important to me either. Anything we do with the PU (pee yuuu !, or was that physical universe; yes it stinks![?]) is obviously games play sensation. As I mentioned earlier, I don't really know what I want with it yet, until I'm able to flush it all away at a whim. At this point, it would be fun to be able to 'generate' or turn off 'generation' of physical objects at will. I would find that great fun. [?] If you like to watch bar room fights, I'd think that you would like this excitement also. If one of the bar room brawlers could make his body disappear when someone was going to cut it with glass, and then re-appear 5 feet away in a different location, wouldn't that be a lot of excitement/fun? If it had to be a choice of physical versus just spiritual, I would pick spiritual anytime, because spiritual is prime cause, is senior to the physical universe, and created the physical universe anyway. The spirit created MEST, not the other way around. The MEST boys dedicated only to physical games, and no spirituality obviously don't realise that. I agree. My many past track incidents are
Re: [TROM1] Fun with RI
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hi Mike, Feb.11/'11 On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 10:10 AM, Mickel mickel1...@blueyonder.co.ukwrote: * The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hi Aarre First thing, I hope you don't mind me asking, is that your real name, I have never come across that in my life before, where does it come from, I would be interested. Yes, it's my real name. My mother was born in Finland, and she raised me and gave me my name. Aarre means 'treasure', pelto mean 'field, as in farmer's field', and maa means 'the land or whole country'. Thus treasure field-land. The actual 'Peltomaa' is a farm that I revisited with my mother this last summer. In the 1800's, when someone moved to a different farm, he took the name of the farm, so he had to change his name each time he moved! Thank goodness they didn't move too often. Finnish names use a lot of geographical descriptions like bays, lakes, rivers, trees, rocks, etc. If you see a Finnish name ending in 'nen', it means of or belonging to some place. Kivinen is of the rock, Lahtinen is of the bay, Jarvinen is of the lake, etc. Thanks for asking; I have to blow through a bit of embarrassment, as I've never been asked that before on an open forum. Do you want us to know your last name, or do you prefer to remain fabian/confidential about that? I have heard that lecture by LRH and I have often wondered where certain behviour patterns I have come from, do they originate in childhood and then we forget them or do they originate in past lives or earlier universes. I believe most of my upset is in past lives, but several, including Robert Ducharme, who developed R3X (routine 3 expanded), have suggested that most of this lifetime charge/upset is tied up in prenatal incidents. I haven't decided what to believe about it yet, but it stands to reason that you can create a lot more postulates in 76 trillion years than you can in one lifetime. But the postulates relating to this lifetime might be given a lot more importance/weighting/emphasis, and thus be more 'keyed in' than the not current stuff. Dennis talked about importance/urgency/intensity in a postulate being important in how it affects us. I know that I don't know, and that's a higher awareness than I had when I was a teenager. When I was a teenager, I arrogantly thought that I knew everything. The more that I learn, the more that I realize that I don't know a lot still. It ultimately probably doesn't matter anyway, as long as one is doing the TROM the way that we've been told works. I currently agree with Dennis that everything in the physical universe is knowable, and that when we get to the completion of level 5, we can know it if we want to. I can't prove that that datum is true, but have decided to accept it as a truth for working purposes under the postulate that I will find out when I get there if it's true or not. I believe that we won't be disappointed. Actually, my compulsion to know everything is shrinking as I do my TROM, and I get more balanced on the 4 know postulates. I have run a lot of past lives and earlier universes on people when I was in Scientology and they do seem pretty real to me, not just some book or TV program they may have read in the past and then forgotten that they are recounting. As an avid science fiction reader in the past I have heard some pretty remarkable things from PCs the like I have never come across in Sci Fi books. I agree. My many past track incidents are beyond this lifetime belief. Ask Colleen; she's audited me well over a hundred hours all over the time track. I couldn't have dreamed that stuff up out of my wildest imagination! At the moment I am recovering from a serious illness which occurred last year in July and will soon be on my way to full recovery, the Grim Reaper is very disapointed and has gone off for more easy pickings, either that or he decided there was a lot more suffering I could endure yet on the physical plane (thats supposed to be a bit of humour). So at the moment I am using processes such as EFT and QE and also I try to get a meditation period in every day also training myself to take life just a bit easier instead of rushing around like a mad thing, stressing myself out, just sitting there and Being. What happened in July? Do you have current pain? I agree that rushing around like a mad thing at this current time isn't something that I want to do. As stated earlier, I don't know for sure why I don't like being rushed, but I have a lot of anecdotes. Do you remember that in the Marcab Confederacy, there were race tracks, where they raced to the 'death', and only the winner got to live. It was a pretty sick, fd up society. An extremely compulsory games condition society. Profit[?] and[?] Exploitation[?]are not erasable junior goals, and
Re: [TROM1] Fun with RI
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hi Mike,Feb. 10/'11 That was really interesting. Sounds like Arslycus; did you ever listen to that lecture by L. Ron Hubbard about a place built like a hugh artificial planet made like a bulding with no rock, and having us toil away for instance for 10,000 lifetimes as a brick polisher. It was pretty grim, and I'm still not flat on it. Arslycus eventually imploded from it's own gravity, much to the slaves' great joy. Another rendition is that a space command friendly to us went in there and triggered a massive demoliton/implosion upon it. What a moment of bliss to lose a body that way! I can't evaluate for you obviously, but a lot of people who can't stand drudgery are still affected by that bleeping place. I had a lot of trouble keeping a job also, much to my wife's chagrin. Thank goodness, I'm going to turn off those opposing postulates in good time. It'll be a relief to just decide something, and cleanly make it happen (what's called tone 40 in Scientology), instead of having 51% forward motion, and 49% backward motion. One hundred percent energy, but only 2% motion in the preferred direction. I've preferred outside, moving type work, such as tractor-trailer driver (lorry in England), window-cleaning and eavestough/gutter cleaning, and anything outside of a factory. I find most factories to be depressing, and don't pretend to know exactly why, or even really need to know why. When I handle the appropriate postulates, then I will have the eureka experience and know why. Until I handle those in session, I just try to avoid those forms of enturbulation. My wife's heard this all so many times, she is probably rolling her eyes right now.I STRONGLY RECOMMEND STAYING AWAY FROM LOW CASTE BLUE COLLAR WORKERS WHO ARE IN THE FEAR TO ANGER BAND OF THE EMOTIONAL TONE SCALE. THEY, AT LEAST TO ME, ARE DE-VIGORATING. I'd much rather communicate to alive people like you; that adds joy to my life, especially people who are cheeful (3.5 on the tone scale). I'm sorry, I kind of got discursive there. How do you handle the non RI fixed routines of for instance TROM, where there is an exact way to do it over and over and over again until one finishes an action. Therapies usually have fixed workable routines which are repeated hundreds of times. Does this particularly bother you or not. I used to work on an assembly line, but I would get myself so efficient, that I could program a mental circuit to do the routine on automatic, and then 'my mind' could go to Mexico, or looking at electric trains, one of my passions. I could segment my mind, and thus it was more stimulating and endurable. To succeed at that though, I would have to be so efficient, that I could program a good circuit though. If I had to keep correcting something with a lot of variables that would take a lot of mental attention, this wouldn't work as well. So what do you do the make a living and avoid these difficulties? What part of United Kingdom are you at? I (actually my body, not me) was born in Streatham, Wandsworth borough in London, England in Dec. 4/'56. I now live in Mississauga, Ontario, Canada, next to Toronto. How about yourself? p.s. I've been doing a more creative RI as you mentioned, and my colours are getting very intense, more so than the physical universe that I see with these eyes. I can make my creations so 'real and solid', that the actual physical room seems to disappear, rather get tuned out/faded out by comparison. Your friend, Aarre Peltomaa (peltomaa.aa...@gmail.com) (647) 202-7267 On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 2:56 AM, Mickel mickel1...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: * The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hi Aarre I want to say thanks to you also, when I first composed my message to you yesterday I had no idea I would obtain a new understanding about my life, the way it has been, something I have always tried to understand but failed. This has to do with fixed routines, for some reason they drive me mad, literally, I could never hold a job down for long, as the days went by I caved in more and more and would do almost anything to escape from it. Obviously there is far too much of my particular history to lay it all out here but essentially it goes like this, as long as I can create with interest and enthusiasm I am keyed out and happy, as soon as someone tries to put me in a fixed way of doing things I lose interest and start to rebel. It's the story of my life, and of course, especially when I was young this got me into all sorts of trouble, I always had to find jobs where I could be creative on my own terms, this doesn't mean I would reject any help from anyone, that was always welcomed, but fixed times, fixed routines, sent me nuts. Anyway, I am trying to explain this as best I can, I have had many
Re: [TROM1] Fun with RI
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hi There may be other reasons why you get a soporific effect when you use RI, this is my take on the situation or the way I use it. First of all, don't get fixed in a routine where RI becomes boring, be creative. The mind universe is timebound, we all have fixed routines where we never break out and be creative, learning to drive a car is a creative situation, once learned it becomes a fixed routine. Here is an example: Mock up or create an apple, it does not matter if you can see it visually or not, just know you have created it, pretty boring isn't it? notice the emotion, feeling ot attitude towards this creation, not very inspiring is it? Now create an apple hanging on the branch of a huge tree, it's branches spreading outwards, it's huge trunk fixed solidly in the ground. The land this tree is on streches out to the horizon, hills and valleys, a little stream flows nearby. Over head the sky like a huge dome with clouds slowly passing by and a brilliant sun shining overhead. Little creatures running about, the sound of birds, running water from the stream. Huge space, you are one with it all, timeless, no limiting mind concepts to do with size and shape, complete freedom and peace. Notice the emotion, feeling or attitude with this spiritual creation rather than a fixed mind creation. That is the way I do it, no effort involved, if you find yourself efforting you are down into the time bound mind, creations should be out there, you can use mind pictures to start you off but then should be a spiritual outside of time creation. That is what works for me, we are all born with this spiritual visualisation ability, unfortunately most people lose this ability as they grow up, I never forgot it, you can create your own universe, live in it for a while and then come back to this physical universe reality. Ones own universe can be more real than this shared one, Best Mike Hi Colleen,Feb. 8/'11 In my opinion, you are the sunshine that currently shines in this list. Thank you so much. When I do my RI, a funny thing happens. Within 30 seconds, I get so relaxed that my eyes want to close, and I feel like I had 5 Melatonin capsules. I feel the urge to go to sleep. It mellows me out so much. I have to struggle to keep awake to do more RI as needed. It feels very nice. Does anyone else have this soporific effect, or am I the only one? Please comment. Much Love, Aarre ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
Re: [TROM1] Fun with RI
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Really good information, Mickel Feb. 9/'11 I'll try that today. Thanks for a very excellent answer. Aarre Peltomaa On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 6:13 AM, Mickel mickel1...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: * The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hi There may be other reasons why you get a soporific effect when you use RI, this is my take on the situation or the way I use it. First of all, don't get fixed in a routine where RI becomes boring, be creative. The mind universe is timebound, we all have fixed routines where we never break out and be creative, learning to drive a car is a creative situation, once learned it becomes a fixed routine. Here is an example: Mock up or create an apple, it does not matter if you can see it visually or not, just know you have created it, pretty boring isn't it? notice the emotion, feeling ot attitude towards this creation, not very inspiring is it? Now create an apple hanging on the branch of a huge tree, it's branches spreading outwards, it's huge trunk fixed solidly in the ground. The land this tree is on streches out to the horizon, hills and valleys, a little stream flows nearby. Over head the sky like a huge dome with clouds slowly passing by and a brilliant sun shining overhead. Little creatures running about, the sound of birds, running water from the stream. Huge space, you are one with it all, timeless, no limiting mind concepts to do with size and shape, complete freedom and peace. Notice the emotion, feeling or attitude with this spiritual creation rather than a fixed mind creation. That is the way I do it, no effort involved, if you find yourself efforting you are down into the time bound mind, creations should be out there, you can use mind pictures to start you off but then should be a spiritual outside of time creation. That is what works for me, we are all born with this spiritual visualisation ability, unfortunately most people lose this ability as they grow up, I never forgot it, you can create your own universe, live in it for a while and then come back to this physical universe reality. Ones own universe can be more real than this shared one, Best Mike Hi Colleen,Feb. 8/'11 In my opinion, you are the sunshine that currently shines in this list. Thank you so much. When I do my RI, a funny thing happens. Within 30 seconds, I get so relaxed that my eyes want to close, and I feel like I had 5 Melatonin capsules. I feel the urge to go to sleep. It mellows me out so much. I have to struggle to keep awake to do more RI as needed. It feels very nice. Does anyone else have this soporific effect, or am I the only one? Please comment. Much Love, Aarre ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
Re: [TROM1] Fun with RI
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hi Aarre I want to say thanks to you also, when I first composed my message to you yesterday I had no idea I would obtain a new understanding about my life, the way it has been, something I have always tried to understand but failed. This has to do with fixed routines, for some reason they drive me mad, literally, I could never hold a job down for long, as the days went by I caved in more and more and would do almost anything to escape from it. Obviously there is far too much of my particular history to lay it all out here but essentially it goes like this, as long as I can create with interest and enthusiasm I am keyed out and happy, as soon as someone tries to put me in a fixed way of doing things I lose interest and start to rebel. It's the story of my life, and of course, especially when I was young this got me into all sorts of trouble, I always had to find jobs where I could be creative on my own terms, this doesn't mean I would reject any help from anyone, that was always welcomed, but fixed times, fixed routines, sent me nuts. Anyway, I am trying to explain this as best I can, I have had many incidents coming up in the mind new understandings, as long as I can be creative the bank (reactive/negative stuff) stays away, as soon as I get fixed in some routine, bank comes in. So, I guess what I was really trying to say about RI and processing is be creative about it, maintain a high interest, dont get into a fixed routine where it becomes boring or humdrum. Best Mike Really good information, Mickel Feb. 9/'11 I'll try that today. Thanks for a very excellent answer. Aarre Peltomaa ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
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* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hi Colleen,Feb. 8/'11 In my opinion, you are the sunshine that currently shines in this list. Thank you so much. When I do my RI, a funny thing happens. Within 30 seconds, I get so relaxed that my eyes want to close, and I feel like I had 5 Melatonin capsules. I feel the urge to go to sleep. It mellows me out so much. I have to struggle to keep awake to do more RI as needed. It feels very nice. Does anyone else have this soporific effect, or am I the only one? Please comment. Much Love, Aarre On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 3:05 PM, Colleen Peltomaa cygnifi...@gmail.comwrote: * The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org First of all, thank you to Pete and the others who contribute to this list and keep it sane. Thank you. My friend and I both noticed how much fun we can each have with RI. I would call it entertaining oneself with creative visualization. For example, I RI'd my friend 360 degrees around me and then I perceived her space and her type of power manifestation as a being. Pretty cool. Again, I RI'd a bright yellow lemon 360 degrees of yellow lemons around me and then decided on a whim to rotate them all 360 degrees to the left (south) because of something I had read about left spin being better than right spin. Something did occur on a somatic level when I did that. I checked it while on the e-meter: one can do this sort of creative visualization to a nice little Floating Needle (F/N) -- so reads the biofeedback meter. cheers, Colleen ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
