RE: [TruthTalk] Questions
Exactly right. Iz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judith H. Taylor Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 7:28 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Questions "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I’d rather obey God than Judy. Izzy, Comment: I sure am relieved to hear that Izzy because I am more than I like to be responsible for. As for the sabbath thing I read today (Rom 14:5,6) that each person should be convinced in their own mind; it's the same with the food, some only eat herbs, others eat meat but whatever one does they do it from their heart to the Lord. I can live with that, God Bless you real good, Judy "(2) Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a sabbath of the LORD your God; in it (3) you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you. 11 "(4) For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day and made it holy. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry Clifton Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 3:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Questions For one who walks after the Spirit shouldn't each and every day be 'holy unto the Lord'? Grace and Peace, Judy === Now there's a refreshing thought! Terry
RE: [TruthTalk] Check it out
Terry, I agree with the basic sentiment the author expresses: It is more important to be in the Spirit, whether alone or with other Believers. We can be assembled together in a church building and still be very in the flesh. Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry Clifton Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 6:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Check it out Iz: The one I was referring to is the new one titled "None for the better" Tery ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, November 13, 2003 05:25:14 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Check it out What??? Terry wants us to read every one of those articles (Figures he would send us to a lemon.) Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 5:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Check it out Izzy, You have to click on read under the lemon to see the articles. There are some great articles there. Laura IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here <>
Re: [TruthTalk] Chuck Spignola
I need some help here rev. How can one be unpardonably hostile, yet be established as a Saint? I thought saints had received a pardon. I also am not quite sure what would qualify as a heart like a volcano. Hate to admit my ignorance, but sometimes if you don't ask, you don't learn. Blessings, Terry P.S. Are we looking at John the Baptist, or another? - Original Message - From: Rev. Donald Spitz To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 11:54 PM Subject: [TruthTalk] Chuck Spignola He has no price tags.He is totally "otherworldly."He is unquestionably controversial and unpardonably hostile.He marches to another drummer!He breathes the rarefied air of inspiration.He is a "seer" who comes to lead the blind.He lives in the heights of God and comes into the valley with a "thus saith the Lord."He shares some of the foreknowledge of God and so is aware of impending judgment.He lives in "splendid isolation."He is forthright and outright, but he claims no birthright.His message is "repent, be reconciled to God or else...!"His prophecies are parried.His truth brings torment, but his voice is never void.He is the villain of today and the hero of tomorrow.He is excommunicated while alive and exalted when dead!He is dishonored with epithets when breathing and honored with epitaphs when dead.He is a schoolmaster to bring us to Christ, but few "make the grade" in his class.He is friendless while living and famous when dead.He is against the establishment in ministry; then he is established as a saint by posterity.He eats daily the bread of affliction while he ministers, but he feeds the Bread of Life to those who listen.He walks before men for days but has walked before God for years.He is a scourge to the nation before he is scourged by the nation.He announces, pronounces, and denounces!He has a heart like a volcano and his words are as fire.He talks to men about God.He carries the lamp of truth amongst heretics while he is lampooned by men.He faces God before he faces men, but he is self-effacing.He hides with God in the secret place, but he has nothing to hide in the marketplace.He is naturally sensitive but supernaturally spiritual.He has passion, purpose and pugnacity.He is ordained of God but disdained by men. !
Re: [TruthTalk] Chuck Spignola
- Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11/14/2003 2:09:28 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Chuck Spignola I need some help here rev. How can one be unpardonably hostile, yet be established as a Saint? I thought saints had received a pardon. I also am not quite sure what would qualify as a heart like a volcano. Hate to admit my ignorance, but sometimes if you don't ask, you don't learn. Blessings, Terry P.S. Are we looking at John the Baptist, or another? Hello Bro. this is the rev.(I thought this title only belonged to God) of the AOG-who threatens Christians with "the List"-Then he can feel like a big man-but my opinion still stands-and he is small. From his letter it would seem that Chuck Spingola is his God and he is paying tribute. - Original Message - From: Rev. Donald Spitz To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 11:54 PM Subject: [TruthTalk] Chuck Spignola He has no price tags.He is totally "otherworldly."He is unquestionably controversial and unpardonably hostile.He marches to another drummer!He breathes the rarefied air of inspiration.He is a "seer" who comes to lead the blind.He lives in the heights of God and comes into the valley with a "thus saith the Lord."He shares some of the foreknowledge of God and so is aware of impending judgment.He lives in "splendid isolation."He is forthright and outright, but he claims no birthright.His message is "repent, be reconciled to God or else...!"His prophecies are parried.His truth brings torment, but his voice is never void.He is the villain of today and the hero of tomorrow.He is excommunicated while alive and exalted when dead!He is dishonored with epithets when breathing and honored with epitaphs when dead.He is a schoolmaster to bring us to Christ, but few "make the grade" in his class.He is friendless while living and famous when dead.He is against the establishment in ministry; then he is established as a saint by posterity.He eats daily the bread of affliction while he ministers, but he feeds the Bread of Life to those who listen.He walks before men for days but has walked before God for years.He is a scourge to the nation before he is scourged by the nation.He announces, pronounces, and denounces!He has a heart like a volcano and his words are as fire.He talks to men about God.He carries the lamp of truth amongst heretics while he is lampooned by men.He faces God before he faces men, but he is self-effacing.He hides with God in the secret place, but he has nothing to hide in the marketplace.He is naturally sensitive but supernaturally spiritual.He has passion, purpose and pugnacity.He is ordained of God but disdained by men. !
[TruthTalk] Who is Chuck Spingola?
find out more about this Chuck Spingola here - I don't think it is good news. I'd rather read at Watchman.com - Thanks so much Terry. http:/www.onepeoplesproject.com/spingola.html Grace and Peace, Judy -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
[TruthTalk] Who is Chuck Spignola?
Oophs!! That should be http://www.onepeoplesproject.com/spignola.html Sorry about that, Judy -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] Questions
Slade Henson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't see any sabbath in the NT other than the sabbath rest spoken of in Hebrews 4 Well, keep looking. shalom Michael D: Slade, do you often send folks on wild goose chases? It would be nice if you were able to help him out by showing a specific passage... Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger
RE: [TruthTalk] lesbians don't have real sex...
ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Michael, What difference does it make? After all, according to many on TT, we are heretics if we keep Gods Commandments. Izzy Michael D: Nice one Izzy. You should remember though, that the new covenant forbids sexual immorality. Those of you who are zealous of the law, do you keep all of the commandments listed in the law? Do you attempt to do that Izzy? If not, I would be curious to know why not? 24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of michael douglasSent: Monday, November 10, 2003 12:01 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] lesbians don't have real sex... Michael D: Iz, A close friend of mine (brother in the Lord) had the same thing dealt to him here in Trinidad by the courts a few years ago. It is stunning indeed.ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Lesbians not guilty of adultery? http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=35496. Izzy Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! MessengerWant to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger
Re: [TruthTalk] Seventh Day Sabbath Keeping
Slade Henson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Now please answer my question. According to Torah, is it right or wrong> to pick up sticks on Sabbath. Shouldn't we define work on the Sabbath> according to God's Word and not according to what we personally think is> ok or not?That's been my point... allow the Bible to define the subject. Whether it'sa sin to pick up sticks on the Shbbat is a sin or not depends upon thesituation. Suppose a man didn't prepare enough wood the day before to heathis house on the Shabbat, and a cold snap came through. Does he and hisfamily (including a newborn baby) suffer or does he pick up sticks in orderto make his family comfortable on the most important day of the week? If yousay NO STICK GATHERING, then let be remind you of the ass in the pit, or theman who needed healing on the Shabbat.> You object to the translation, "burn a fire"? Please expound upon the> Hebrew for us and tell us why you object.I object because to snuff out every fire before the beginning of Shabbatsuffers those in the high north or south to death and great inconvenience.Instead of looking forward to Shabbat, it becomes a curse because the nextthree to five days (IF they survive) must be spent defrosting their frozenwater pipes. One friend of mine indicates that he believes what is meant isno WORK fires (forges, etc.). I don't completely agree with his perspectivebut it's interesting nonetheless.> Exodus 35:3 says,> "Ye shall kindle no fire throughout your habitations upon the sabbath> day."> (Exodus 35:3 KJV)What about YHVH's house and the perpetually burning Menorah? What about theperpetually burning altar?> The Hebrew word translated fire here is "esh," which is usually> translated "fire" but also as burning, firey, flaming, and hot.>> The word is translated as "hot" in Leviticus 13:24>> Lev 13:24 Or if there be any flesh, in the skin whereof there is a hot> [esh] burning [mikvah], and the quick flesh that burneth have a white> bright spot, somewhat reddish, or white;>> Clearly we do not expect actual flames in this particular context, but> rather an intense heat. This is one reason why I think modern electric> cooking stoves would be included in the language and intent of this> prohibition of work on Sabbath.Interesting how you use multiple definitions of a word to define it use in asingular place. BAD BAD BAD hermeneutics. Try doint that with English wordslike PIT or BREAD, and you will be extremely confused.> That's right, and the word "justification" is not just "salvation"> according to the western mindset of get saved then move on to other> things. Paul is addressing how believers ought to move forward in their> justification once they have come to faith in Jesus Christ.>> O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the> truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth,> crucified among you? This only would I learn of you, Received ye the> Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are ye so> foolish? HAVING BEGUN IN THE SPIRIT, ARE YE NOW MADE PERFECT BY THE> FLESH? Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain. He> therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among> you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?> (Galatians 3:1-5 KJV)"Gal 5:4 -- You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by thelaw; you have fallen away from grace." This is the main point of Galatians.Paul was reinstructing the church that justification does NOT come from theLaw (even Moses told us that... like, duh!). This is the same messagepreached at the Jerusalem Council. Slade, please wake up... You keep stretching the scriptures to say what you want them to say. The Council did point out that the Justification does not come from the law, but it also emphasized not to command the Gentiles to keep the law of Moses. All of your posts on these topics amount to commanding folks to keep the law of Moses, (regardless of the language in which it happens to be couched) else they will be judged for it. The Holy Ghost must have really pulled a fast one on the Gentiles (if we are to listen to you). Something like, 'Hey guys, I am not commanding you to keep the law, for it is by the grace of the Lord Jesus you will be saved [vs. 11], but if you don't keep the law, I am going to judge you for it...' H. The Jerusalem Council said no such thing, however!!!. James, on the other hand, gives us atreatise that says faith is not in a valuum but is proven through the workswe do.Izzy and my attempts to SHOW our faith by our works (whether these works aredefined in the Older or in the Newer covenants) are the real issue here...or so it seems. As James says, "Show me your faith without the works, andI'll show you my faith BY my works."Michael D: You are contradicting Paul, here. Paul says a man is justified by faith without the works of the law, you say you and Izzy are showing your faith by obeying the wo
RE: [TruthTalk] lesbians don't have real sex...
Michael D, It seems that you believe one should obey only the commandments in the NT. How’dya figure? Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of michael douglas Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 4:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] lesbians don't have real sex... ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Michael, What difference does it make? After all, according to many on TT, we are heretics if we keep God’s Commandments. Izzy Michael D: Nice one Izzy. You should remember though, that the new covenant forbids sexual immorality. Those of you who are zealous of the law, do you keep all of the commandments listed in the law? Do you attempt to do that Izzy? If not, I would be curious to know why not? 24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of michael douglas Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 12:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] lesbians don't have real sex... Michael D: Iz, A close friend of mine (brother in the Lord) had the same thing dealt to him here in Trinidad by the courts a few years ago. It is stunning indeed. ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Lesbians not guilty of adultery? http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=35496. Izzy Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger
[TruthTalk] The Ten Commandments
I have returned from Montgomery, Alabama to find you all still discussing the Commandments of God and our obligation to them, yet I have not read one word about Justice Roy Moore. Are we all asleep in the light? The man was just fired from his position as Chief Justice over this issue. Do any of you care? To any of you who might be interested in discussing this current event, I want to state my position that I support Roy Moore fully. I told him so in person in Montgomery. Inside the courthouse, I watched his entire trial, and outside on the courthouse steps, I preached the message of repentance for ordering this Chief Justice to disobey three of the Ten Commandments. I preached at the Alabama Supreme Court and I preached at the Federal Courthouse that ordered the Ten Commandments to be removed from public view and locked away in a closet. If any of you are interested in discussing this, please let me know. Peace be with you. David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
RE: [TruthTalk] Check it out
Amen! Terry Terry, I agree with the basic sentiment the author expresses: It is more important to be in the Spirit, whether alone or with other Believers. We can be assembled together in a church building and still be very in the flesh. Izzy -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry CliftonSent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 6:22 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Check it out Iz: The one I was referring to is the new one titled "None for the better" Tery ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, November 13, 2003 05:25:14 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Check it out What??? Terry wants us to read every one of those articles (Figures he would send us to a lemon.) Izzy -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 5:15 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Check it out Izzy, You have to click on read under the lemon to see the articles. There are some great articles there. Laura IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
Re: [TruthTalk] Who is Chuck Spignola?
Tried to pull it up Judy, but it says the page no longer exists. Guess I did not miss much, huh? Terry ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, November 14, 2003 02:34:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [TruthTalk] Who is Chuck Spignola? Oophs!! That should be http://www.onepeoplesproject.com/spignola.html Sorry about that, Judy -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. . IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
Re: [TruthTalk] The Ten Commandments
I don't mind discussing this issue David. You did what you felt called to do. That is admirable. You are to be commended for your obedience and for acting on your beliefs. Having said that, I would point out that I felt no such calling, so I was not inclined to go there. I feel not the least bit guilty for my inaction. When the Holy Spirit leads me, I move. When men try to lead me, I generally back off. At the risk of causing old ladies to faint and young men to get out the tar and feathers, let me say that I feel that the ten commandments are outdated by about two thousand years. They do command you to love God, but they do not teach you to love your fellow man. They would lead you to consider Saturday to be a special day, but would never teach you to love your enemy. Unless you are a Jew trying to find favor with God by your works rather than by a relationship with Jesus Christ, they are of limited value. They can condemn your behavior, they can convict you of your sin, but they cannot save you. No one has ever even kept the first one for any length of time. All they can do is show you what a miserable failure you are at attempting righteousness on your own. When judge Roy gets set to proclaim the two commands Jesus said cover all the law, I will be the first to support him. In the meantime, don't feel too bad for him. I got a hunch that judge Roy will be Governor Roy when the next opportunity presents itself. Respectfully, Terry - I have returned from Montgomery, Alabama to find you all still discussing the Commandments of God and our obligation to them, yet I have not read one word about Justice Roy Moore. Are we all asleep in the light? The man was just fired from his position as Chief Justice over this issue. Do any of you care? To any of you who might be interested in discussing this current event, I want to state my position that I support Roy Moore fully. I told him so in person in Montgomery. Inside the courthouse, I watched his entire trial, and outside on the courthouse steps, I preached the message of repentance for ordering this Chief Justice to disobey three of the Ten Commandments. I preached at the Alabama Supreme Court and I preached at the Federal Courthouse that ordered the Ten Commandments to be removed from public view and locked away in a closet. If any of you are interested in discussing this, please let me know. Peace be with you. David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. . IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
Re: [TruthTalk] Who is Chuck Spignola?
That is really weird. I just tried to go there and got the same message. Try going to the search engine Dogpile and keying in chuck spignola One People's Project was about the 3rd one down but there are several websites about him. He sounds like a very angry young man who shouldn't be doing anything in the name of the Lord until he deals with his own heart. People like this do more harm - although they profess Christ, by their actions they deny him. Tried to pull it up Judy, but it says the page no longer exists. Guess I did not miss much, huh? Terry ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, November 14, 2003 02:34:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [TruthTalk] Who is Chuck Spignola? Oophs!! That should be http://www.onepeoplesproject.com/spignola.html Sorry about that, Judy -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. . IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
[TruthTalk] Chuck Spignola
Below is a short excerpt from the website that should be enough to demonstrate that the 'spirit' of Spignola is not the spirit of Christ. Grace and Peace, Judy Spignola is about an open advocacy of enforcing God's law through violence. To him, those defying His law shall be put to death. He broke from Brother Jed recently because Jed did not defend Dennis Malvasi a person who spent time in jail for bombing an abortion clinic, and is currently in jail facing charges of helping James Kopp, the person charged with killing abortion doctor Bernard Slepian. Spingola's list of the condemned has meant homosexuals, abortion supporters, Episcopalians, etc. At a event in Virginia sponsored by like-minded individuals, he reinforced this belief. "My wife used to say 'Honey, do you believe all homosexuals should be put to death?'" he told the crowd. "I said 'No, dear, you get about a half a dozen of the activists, you kill them and the rest of them will go back in the closet.'" During a Bible Study at his home, Spingola reiterated his statement, defending it with Leviticus 20:13. His anti-choice stance on abortion is met with the same approach. When he demonstrates outside an abortion clinic in Columbus, he is seen often with a sign reading, "Whoso sheddeth Man's blood by Man shall his blood be shed." Outside the clinic, he has continually made threats against staff and patients shouting once "You are going to pay dearly for what you're doing. Don't say we didn't warn you." Spingola corresponds routinely with those in jail for engaging in violence at clinics, as well as with others who support the practice. He is close to Michael Bray, who heads up the terrorist outfit Army of God, the group that sponsored the banquet Spingola spoke at, and is the main group that people look at when it comes to pro-Christian violence. ~
RE: [TruthTalk] The Ten Commandments
Terry wrote: > ... I would point out that I felt no such calling, so > I was not inclined to go there. I feel not the least > bit guilty for my inaction. When the Holy Spirit leads > me, I move. When men try to lead me, I generally back > off. After reading my post again, I realize that it came across a little different than I meant it. I do not fault you for not being there in Montgomery, and I certainly do not mean to make you feel guilty. Sorry if I came across that way. It just seemed to me that with all the talk about the Ten Commandments, this situation with Roy Moore was most relevant and important to the discussion at hand. You said not to feel so bad for Moore. I don't. I admire the man. He has become a kind of hero in my eyes. Roy certainly needs our support and encouragement and prayers, but the real disgrace here is that not one of the nine judges that convicted him understood what it means to keep an oath. We also have an Attorney General there who has been nominated for the U.S. Supreme Court who likewise does not understand what it means to take an oath. I walked around the city of Montgomery and found various plaques and images and statues erected to various men and women in history. None acknowledged God, but one large plaque about the civil rights movement had a small Bible in the center. It was here in this sea of secular humanism that the order came to put God's Ten Commandments in the closet so nobody could see it. The order came from a Federal Judge in a courthouse with a cornerstone that has engraved upon it, "William Jefferson Clinton." The centerpiece of this federal courthouse is an image of a Greek god. The order came from this building to put the Ten Commandments in the closet where nobody can see it. Peace be with you. David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
RE: [TruthTalk] Chuck Spignola
Judy wrote: > Below is a short excerpt from the website that > should be enough to demonstrate that the 'spirit' > of Spignola is not the spirit of Christ. Chuck is a former TruthTalk member and we have discussed the kill abortionist doctrine here in the past. I think Chuck may have been a member when he punched that homosexual who attacked him while he was preaching. In any case, while I strongly disagree with the doctrine of violence which he has, be careful not to judge a man by what others say about him. Just for the record, I have a love for Chuck and his wife Teresa, and I have preached with Chuck on a number of occasions. He has stayed at my home while on preaching tours too. Please pray for him, because he is a mighty warrior for Christ, a true zealot, but I fear he might be a bit misguided now by the growing Kill Abortionists Cult. By the way, one of the men who went to the execution of Paul Hill, Stephen Jordi, was arrested just a few days ago for planning to bomb abortion clinics. You can read more at: http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/local/7249996.htm His pastors turned the police onto the man. Read about this at: http://www.mttu.com/Articles/The%20Hirelings%20of%20the%20Reich%20Church .htm Peace be with you. David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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RE: [TruthTalk] The Ten Commandments
David, I saw Roy Moore on Fox News and today interviewed on Focus on the Family. This is one of those situations that is so disturbing that I can hardly bear to think about it--I just get so angry I can't deal with it. There doesn't seem to be much to discuss about it. It is just another symptom of a fallen nation. (Just like the not guilty verdict for Robert Durst, or whoever it was that admitted that he killed and butchered his neighbor and disposed of his body in the river.) I watch the news and see Abercromby clothes catalogs full of teenaged orgies, see rappers who are rich and famous for spewing violence and filth while they grasp their crotch like they've got a bad case of clap, and listen to "leaders" in America lying blatantly, and defending partial birth abortions, etc, etc, and I just can't deal with it all. I can understand how some folks go over the edge and try to rectify things violently. I've waited patiently for God to rectify a gross wrong in our own family situation, and so far evil continues to prevail. Where is God when you are waiting? It is purely exasperating. On Fox News they showed Moore announcing (after the verdict) that in about a week he will make an announcement that may change America. What do you think that could be? Maybe he will call down God's judgment? Seems like that is inevitable anyway. Anyway, all I've been able to do is pray for God's will for him. It seems like a subject too intense to even try to discuss. It may be that the Lord called him to do this just as the last straw before all hell breaks out. I mourn that there is no "New World" that we can escape to like our Puritan ancestors did. Will just have to look forward to the New Jerusalem. Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Miller Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 6:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [TruthTalk] The Ten Commandments I have returned from Montgomery, Alabama to find you all still discussing the Commandments of God and our obligation to them, yet I have not read one word about Justice Roy Moore. Are we all asleep in the light? The man was just fired from his position as Chief Justice over this issue. Do any of you care? To any of you who might be interested in discussing this current event, I want to state my position that I support Roy Moore fully. I told him so in person in Montgomery. Inside the courthouse, I watched his entire trial, and outside on the courthouse steps, I preached the message of repentance for ordering this Chief Justice to disobey three of the Ten Commandments. I preached at the Alabama Supreme Court and I preached at the Federal Courthouse that ordered the Ten Commandments to be removed from public view and locked away in a closet. If any of you are interested in discussing this, please let me know. Peace be with you. David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
