Re: [TruthTalk] Five Million
'We never hear anything about your area on the media here.' Translated:'We ONLY have 'Americacentric' news coverage.Translate further:News about us at home. News about us abroad. Storms that hit others prior to hitting us.Oh, and places to 'vacation'. Get a radio with short wave capacity. Listen to BBC, CBC, and, news from around the world. Yes, Virginia there is a world out there. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: September 09, 2004 21:50 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Five Million Michael, I dont know why you cant find more time to talk to usIm expectantly waiting to hear more from you on Gods deliverance there. I was really starting to worry about you. We never hear anything about your area on the media here. Some time Id like you to tell us more about your country, too. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of michael douglasSent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 5:21 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Five Million [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/7/2004 7:56:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michael D: Well, what do you know?!?!?! Trinidad and Tobago are inder a warning re Ivan. It has concerned me alot. I have been fighting it and praying against. I am doing all that I can to stave off the danger. I'll be continuing as long as the threat looms. I am looking to God for mercy on our land. I am not too surprised that this would present itself. It has also forced me to do some soul searching and have the dealings of God with me personally. Sometimes we can neglect things and only in a real battle do we rise up to deal with them. Well, I will get back to the vigil now, and may God grant us grace and mercy. The fight is on... While I do not agree on this prayer controling weather thing, I have to let you know that this weekend, while in Pismo Beach, the local news station over there described the dramatic downturn for Frances as "unexplainable." Why do I think Michael will return post with a hearty amen? Michael D: Amen! Praise the Lord!!! I say that, because the Lord deserves it. I do say it with a bit of a heavy heart, though: seeing what has occurred with Florida, and now what has happened in the Caribbean of late.We have to seek to take authority over Ivan re Jamaica, Cuba and Florida again. I trust the believing weather warriors will hang in there. Hey John, I wish you would become a believer.. God wants you to. In fact, the reason this discussion is on TT isfor that very reason. God wants His people to awake to the broad scope of His grace and providence for them. There is a saying something like this...without God, man cannot, but without man, God will not... Remember God's people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Can you imagine if Frances remained an its initial strength what would have happened to Florida? Thank God some folks believed God enough to stand in the gap and attack the enemy. Key thing here, though, is that Floridians need to wake up to the need to protect their land and the authority available to do it. Now, God Is allowing these storms to send a massage as well, but mercy does triumph over judgement. I think God prefers that His people sound the trumpet from the house tops and call the nations to repentance, and have his prophets warn of specific impending danger, so that if they harden their necks, when that judgement comes, they have an opportunity to know beyond the shadow of a doubt why it's happening and where they can turn to stay the destruction. I know of a situation in the Phillipines where an evangelist was doing a crusade and the people took him lightly. the next night people were eager to give their lives to the Lord, why??? An earthquake hit the area... The hard hearts suddenly softened to the same gospel from the previous night. It's how many of the prophets of old operated. Remember, God did tell Ezekiel that if he warned the wicked and he does not turn, then Ezekiel would have been free of blame. If he did not warn, the wicked would die in his wickedness... Ezekiel would be guilty. God help us. Again, I'm saying I believe God's preferred method is serious warning of impending judgement, not just judging because sin exists. But we all know that sin must incur judgement. When I have some more time, I will share some of the miraculous deliverence God provided from Ivan for Trinidad, and to a lesser extent Tobago. We really had some warfare on our hands... ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun!
Re: [TruthTalk] Five Million
'the JUDGMENT' thing (and Florida)?? Please explain. CLEARLY, (you know how vague you can be!) - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: September 09, 2004 21:54 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Five Million Also, Ive been wondering about the judgment thing and Florida. Is Florida any more deserving of judgment than any other state? Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of michael douglasSent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 5:21 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Five Million [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/7/2004 7:56:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michael D: Well, what do you know?!?!?! Trinidad and Tobago are inder a warning re Ivan. It has concerned me alot. I have been fighting it and praying against. I am doing all that I can to stave off the danger. I'll be continuing as long as the threat looms. I am looking to God for mercy on our land. I am not too surprised that this would present itself. It has also forced me to do some soul searching and have the dealings of God with me personally. Sometimes we can neglect things and only in a real battle do we rise up to deal with them. Well, I will get back to the vigil now, and may God grant us grace and mercy. The fight is on... While I do not agree on this prayer controling weather thing, I have to let you know that this weekend, while in Pismo Beach, the local news station over there described the dramatic downturn for Frances as "unexplainable." Why do I think Michael will return post with a hearty amen? Michael D: Amen! Praise the Lord!!! I say that, because the Lord deserves it. I do say it with a bit of a heavy heart, though: seeing what has occurred with Florida, and now what has happened in the Caribbean of late.We have to seek to take authority over Ivan re Jamaica, Cuba and Florida again. I trust the believing weather warriors will hang in there. Hey John, I wish you would become a believer.. God wants you to. In fact, the reason this discussion is on TT isfor that very reason. God wants His people to awake to the broad scope of His grace and providence for them. There is a saying something like this...without God, man cannot, but without man, God will not... Remember God's people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Can you imagine if Frances remained an its initial strength what would have happened to Florida? Thank God some folks believed God enough to stand in the gap and attack the enemy. Key thing here, though, is that Floridians need to wake up to the need to protect their land and the authority available to do it. Now, God Is allowing these storms to send a massage as well, but mercy does triumph over judgement. I think God prefers that His people sound the trumpet from the house tops and call the nations to repentance, and have his prophets warn of specific impending danger, so that if they harden their necks, when that judgement comes, they have an opportunity to know beyond the shadow of a doubt why it's happening and where they can turn to stay the destruction. I know of a situation in the Phillipines where an evangelist was doing a crusade and the people took him lightly. the next night people were eager to give their lives to the Lord, why??? An earthquake hit the area... The hard hearts suddenly softened to the same gospel from the previous night. It's how many of the prophets of old operated. Remember, God did tell Ezekiel that if he warned the wicked and he does not turn, then Ezekiel would have been free of blame. If he did not warn, the wicked would die in his wickedness... Ezekiel would be guilty. God help us. Again, I'm saying I believe God's preferred method is serious warning of impending judgement, not just judging because sin exists. But we all know that sin must incur judgement. When I have some more time, I will share some of the miraculous deliverence God provided from Ivan for Trinidad, and to a lesser extent Tobago. We really had some warfare on our hands... ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun!
Re: [TruthTalk] Five Million
Dave Hansen wrote: ShieldsFamily wrote: Also, Ive been wondering about the judgment thing and Florida. Is Florida any more deserving of judgment than any other state? Izzy DAVEH: Hmm...Probably! Ain't that where Terry lives..? ;-) At first glance, you would seem to offer a strong argument. I have been known to come up short in the areas of love and humility, so I would, at times, be one of the sinners that God is angry with every day. Further examination though, would show that through all this, Terry has lost nothing but some pears that the wind blew down. Our highest wind gusts were fifty mph, and the sustained wind was only about twenty-five mph. We did not even get all the rain we were hoping for (needed five inches, got two). God knows where to find me, and if He wants to smack me around, His aim is not that bad, so we need to examine other areas to see a possible solution to this dilemma. My own theory is since the rain falls on the just and the unjust at the same time, The Lord has pre-programmed the elements to operate in a manner that we call "Nature". After all, He appears to have done the same thing with the orbits of planets, with the seasons, and with the moon. Of course, if He chooses to interrupt those patterns, He could steer a storm as easily as He caused the sun to stand still. I am just not sure that He micro manages in every area. When I was lobster fishing in the keys, those storms scrubbed the reefs and bay bottoms thorougly, flushed out rivers and creeks, and generally improved conditions under the surface of our waters. Sponges and shell fish and the fishery were given a shot in the arm. We don't think about those things being part of God's plan. Our nature is to think only of ourselves. Maybe we need to think more. Thanks for thinking about us. We got another one on the way His will be done, Terry --
Re: [TruthTalk] Five Million
Divine AND Contingent order! Well outlined, Terry.You've just illustrated the theoretical through the empirical. Who, I ask, could ask for more? Not me! - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: September 10, 2004 07:14 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Five Million Dave Hansen wrote: ShieldsFamily wrote: Also, Ive been wondering about the judgment thing and Florida. Is Florida any more deserving of judgment than any other state? IzzyDAVEH: Hmm...Probably! Ain't that where Terry lives..? ;-) At first glance, you would seem to offer a strong argument. I have been known to come up short in the areas of love and humility, so I would, at times, be one of the sinners that God is angry with every day. Further examination though, would show that through all this, Terry has lost nothing but some pears that the wind blew down. Our highest wind gusts were fifty mph, and the sustained wind was only about twenty-five mph. We did not even get all the rain we were hoping for (needed five inches, got two). God knows where to find me, and if He wants to smack me around, His aim is not that bad, so we need to examine other areas to see a possible solution to this dilemma. My own theory is since the rain falls on the just and the unjust at the same time, The Lord has pre-programmed the elements to operate in a manner that we call "Nature". After all, He appears to have done the same thing with the orbits of planets, with the seasons, and with the moon. Of course, if He chooses to interrupt those patterns, He could steer a storm as easily as He caused the sun to stand still. I am just not sure that He micro manages in every area. When I was lobster fishing in the keys, those storms scrubbed the reefs and bay bottoms thorougly, flushed out rivers and creeks, and generally improved conditions under the surface of our waters. Sponges and shell fish and the fishery were given a shot in the arm. We don't think about those things being part of God's plan. Our nature is to think only of ourselves.Maybe we need to think more.Thanks for thinking about us. We got another one on the wayHis will be done,Terry --
RE: [TruthTalk] Five Million
Lance, You are so condescending and arrogant. In love, Izzy PS I am not buying a short wave radio. And I would rather hear it firsthand from Michael. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 4:36 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Five Million 'We never hear anything about your area on the media here.' Translated:'We ONLY have 'Americacentric' news coverage.Translate further:News about us at home. News about us abroad. Storms that hit others prior to hitting us.Oh, and places to 'vacation'. Get a radio with short wave capacity. Listen to BBC, CBC, and, news from around the world. Yes, Virginia there is a world out there. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: September 09, 2004 21:50 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Five Million Michael, I dont know why you cant find more time to talk to usIm expectantly waiting to hear more from you on Gods deliverance there. I was really starting to worry about you. We never hear anything about your area on the media here. Some time Id like you to tell us more about your country, too. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of michael douglas Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 5:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Five Million [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/7/2004 7:56:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michael D: Well, what do you know?!?!?! Trinidad and Tobago are inder a warning re Ivan. It has concerned me alot. I have been fighting it and praying against. I am doing all that I can to stave off the danger. I'll be continuing as long as the threat looms. I am looking to God for mercy on our land. I am not too surprised that this would present itself. It has also forced me to do some soul searching and have the dealings of God with me personally. Sometimes we can neglect things and only in a real battle do we rise up to deal with them. Well, I will get back to the vigil now, and may God grant us grace and mercy. The fight is on... While I do not agree on this prayer controling weather thing, I have to let you know that this weekend, while in Pismo Beach, the local news station over there described the dramatic downturn for Frances as unexplainable. Why do I think Michael will return post with a hearty amen? Michael D: Amen! Praise the Lord!!! I say that, because the Lord deserves it. I do say it with a bit of a heavy heart, though: seeing what has occurred with Florida, and now what has happened in the Caribbean of late.We have to seek to take authority over Ivan re Jamaica, Cuba and Florida again. I trust the believing weather warriors will hang in there. Hey John, I wish you would become a believer.. God wants you to. In fact, the reason this discussion is on TT isfor that very reason. God wants His people to awake to the broad scope of His grace and providence for them. There is a saying something like this...without God, man cannot, but without man, God will not... Remember God's people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Can you imagine if Frances remained an its initial strength what would have happened to Florida? Thank God some folks believed God enough to stand in the gap and attack the enemy. Key thing here, though, is that Floridians need to wake up to the need to protect their land and the authority available to do it. Now, God Is allowing these storms to send a massage as well, but mercy does triumph over judgement. I think God prefers that His people sound the trumpet from the house tops and call the nations to repentance, and have his prophets warn of specific impending danger, so that if they harden their necks, when that judgement comes, they have an opportunity to know beyond the shadow of a doubt why it's happening and where they can turn to stay the destruction. I know of a situation in the Phillipines where an evangelist was doing a crusade and the people took him lightly. the next night people were eager to give their lives to the Lord, why??? An earthquake hit the area... The hard hearts suddenly softened to the same gospel from the previous night. It's how many of the prophets of old operated. Remember, God did tell Ezekiel that if he warned the wicked and he does not turn, then Ezekiel would have been free of blame. If he did not warn, the wicked would die in his wickedness... Ezekiel would be guilty. God help us. Again, I'm saying I believe God's preferred method is serious warning of impending judgement, not just judging because sin exists. But we all know that sin must incur judgement. When I have some more time, I will share some of the miraculous deliverence God provided from Ivan for Trinidad, and to a lesser extent Tobago. We really had some warfare on our hands... ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even
RE: [TruthTalk] Five Million
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 4:39 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Five Million 'the JUDGMENT' thing (and Florida)?? Please explain. CLEARLY, (you know how vague you can be!) Lance, I am patiently cutting and pasting Michaels original message for you to re-read so you can get in step with the rest of us. Please read and then let me know if you have further questions about the subject, thank you. J Izzy Now, God Is allowing these storms to send a message as well, but mercy does triumph over judgement. I think God prefers that His people sound the trumpet from the house tops and call the nations to repentance, and have his prophets warn of specific impending danger, so that if they harden their necks, when that judgement comes, they have an opportunity to know beyond the shadow of a doubt why it's happening and where they can turn to stay the destruction. I know of a situation in the Phillipines where an evangelist was doing a crusade and the people took him lightly. the next night people were eager to give their lives to the Lord, why??? An earthquake hit the area... The hard hearts suddenly softened to the same gospel from the previous night. It's how many of the prophets of old operated. Remember, God did tell Ezekiel that if he warned the wicked and he does not turn, then Ezekiel would have been free of blame. If he did not warn, the wicked would die in his wickedness... Ezekiel would be guilty. God help us. Again, I'm saying I believe God's preferred method is serious warning of impending judgement, not just judging because sin exists. But we all know that sin must incur judgement.
[TruthTalk] A Serious Threat!
A Serious Threat! This morning, from a cave somewhere in Pakistan, Taliban Minister of Migration, Mohammed Omar, warned the United States that if military action against Iraq continues, Taliban authorities will cut off America's supply of convenience store managers. If this action does not yield sufficient results, cab drivers will be next. Now it's really getting ugly.
RE: [TruthTalk] Five Million
Terry, You are so very right on. I still do believe that we can pray for Gods direct intervention in His course of Nature. Izzy At first glance, you would seem to offer a strong argument. I have been known to come up short in the areas of love and humility, so I would, at times, be one of the sinners that God is angry with every day. Further examination though, would show that through all this, Terry has lost nothing but some pears that the wind blew down. Our highest wind gusts were fifty mph, and the sustained wind was only about twenty-five mph. We did not even get all the rain we were hoping for (needed five inches, got two). God knows where to find me, and if He wants to smack me around, His aim is not that bad, so we need to examine other areas to see a possible solution to this dilemma. My own theory is since the rain falls on the just and the unjust at the same time, The Lord has pre-programmed the elements to operate in a manner that we call Nature. After all, He appears to have done the same thing with the orbits of planets, with the seasons, and with the moon. Of course, if He chooses to interrupt those patterns, He could steer a storm as easily as He caused the sun to stand still. I am just not sure that He micro manages in every area. When I was lobster fishing in the keys, those storms scrubbed the reefs and bay bottoms thorougly, flushed out rivers and creeks, and generally improved conditions under the surface of our waters. Sponges and shell fish and the fishery were given a shot in the arm. We don't think about those things being part of God's plan. Our nature is to think only of ourselves. Maybe we need to think more. Thanks for thinking about us. We got another one on the way His will be done, Terry --
[TruthTalk] Hurricane News to Consider
Subject: FW: Hurricane News to Consider from a Friend in Florida: With another one on it's way I think we need this to have a little sense a humor... Subject: Hurricane - ok this one should work! Very cute! Florida Hurricane Season Notes We're about to enter the peak of the hurricane season. Any day now, you're going to turn on the TV and see a weather person pointing to some radar blob out in the Gulf of Mexico and making two basic meteorological points: (1) There is no need to panic. (2) We could all be killed. Yes, hurricane season is an exciting time to be in Florida. If you're new to the area, you're probably wondering what you need to do to prepare for the possibility that we'll get hit by the big one. Based on our experiences, we recommend that you follow this simple three-step hurricane preparedness plan: STEP 1. Buy enough food and bottled water to last your family for at least three days. STEP 2. Put these supplies into your car. STEP 3. Drive to Nebraska and remain there until Halloween. Unfortunately, statistics show that most people will not follow this sensible plan. Most people will foolishly stay here in Florida. We'll start with one of the most important hurricane preparedness items: HOMEOWNERS' INSURANCE: If you own a home, you must have hurricane insurance. Fortunately, this insurance is cheap and easy to get, as long as your home meets two basic requirements: (1) It is reasonably well-built, and (2) It is located in Nebraska. Unfortunately, if your home is located in Florida, or any other area that might actually be hit by a hurricane, most insurance companies would prefer not to sell you hurricane insurance, because then they might be required to pay YOU money, and that is certainly not why they got into the insurance business in the first place. So you'll have to scrounge around for an insurance company, which will charge you an annual premium roughly equal to the replacement value of your house. At any moment, this company can drop you like used dental floss. Since Hurricane George, I have had an estimated 27 different home-insurance companies. This week, I'm covered by the Bob and Big Stan Insurance Company, under a policy which states that, in addition to my premium, Bob and Big Stan are entitled, on demand, to my kidneys. SHUTTERS: Your house should have hurricane shutters on all the windows, all the doors, and - if it's a major hurricane - all the toilets. There are several types of shutters, with advantages and disadvantages: Plywood shutters: The advantage is that, because you make them yourself, they're cheap. The disadvantage is that, because you make them yourself, they will fall off. Sheet-metal shutters: The advantage is that these work well, once you get them all up. The disadvantage is that once you get them all up, your hands will be useless bleeding stumps, and it will be December. Roll-down shutters: The advantages are that they're very easy to use, and will definitely protect your house. The disadvantage is that you will have to sell your house to pay for them. Hurricane-proof windows: These are the newest wrinkle in hurricane protection: They look like ordinary windows, but they can withstand hurricane winds! You can be sure of this, because the salesman says so. He lives in Nebraska. Hurricane Proofing Your Property: As the hurricane approaches, check your yard for movable objects like barbecue grills, planters, patio furniture, visiting relatives, etc.. You should, as a precaution, throw these items into your swimming pool (if you don't have a swimming pool, you should have one built immediately). Otherwise, the hurricane winds will turn these objects into deadly missiles. EVACUATION ROUTE: If you live in a low-lying area, you should have an evacuation route planned out. (To determine whether you live in a low-lying area, look at your driver's license; if it says Florida, you live in a low-lying area.) The purpose of having an evacuation route is to avoid being trapped in your home when a major storm hits. Instead, you will be trapped in a gigantic traffic jam several miles from your home, along with two hundred thousand other evacuees. So, as a bonus, you will not be lonely. HURRICANE SUPPLIES: If you don't evacuate, you will need a mess of supplies. Do not buy them now! Florida tradition requires that you wait until the last possible minute, then go to the supermarket and get into vicious fights with strangers over who gets the last can of SPAM. In addition to food and water, you will need the following supplies: 23 flashlights At least $167 worth of batteries that turn out, when the power goes off, to be the wrong size for the flashlights. Bleach. (No, I don't know what the bleach is for. NOBODY knows what the bleach is for, but it's traditional, so GET some!) A 55-gallon drum of underarm deodorant. A big knife that
Re: [TruthTalk] Five Million
In a message dated 9/10/2004 5:17:43 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At first glance, you would seem to offer a strong argument. I have been known to come up short in the areas of love and humility, so I would, at times, be one of the sinners that God is angry with every day. Further examination though, would show that through all this, Terry has lost nothing but some pears that the wind blew down. Our highest wind gusts were fifty mph, and the sustained wind was only about twenty-five mph. We did not even get all the rain we were hoping for (needed five inches, got two). God knows where to find me, and if He wants to smack me around, His aim is not that bad, so we need to examine other areas to see a possible solution to this dilemma. My own theory is since the rain falls on the just and the unjust at the same time, The Lord has pre-programmed the elements to operate in a manner that we call "Nature". After all, He appears to have done the same thing with the orbits of planets, with the seasons, and with the moon. Of course, if He chooses to interrupt those patterns, He could steer a storm as easily as He caused the sun to stand still. I am just not sure that He micro manages in every area. When I was lobster fishing in the keys, those storms scrubbed the reefs and bay bottoms thorougly, flushed out rivers and creeks, and generally improved conditions under the surface of our waters. Sponges and shell fish and the fishery were given a shot in the arm. We don't think about those things being part of God's plan. Our nature is to think only of ourselves. Maybe we need to think more. Thanks for thinking about us. We got another one on the way His will be done, Terry A great perspective. Weather concerns were not a concern in the biblical message. John
Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Hurricane News to Consider
What questions ought one to ask of those who 'settle' in 'hurricane alley', tornado alley', on a major 'fault line',on flood plains? From: ShieldsFamily To: ShieldsFamily Sent: September 10, 2004 09:04 Subject: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Hurricane News to Consider Subject: FW: Hurricane News to Consider from a Friend in Florida: With another one on it's way I think we need this to have a little sense a humor... Subject: Hurricane - ok this one should work! Very cute! Florida Hurricane Season NotesWe're about to enter the peak of the hurricane season. Any day now, you're going to turn on the TV and see a weather person pointing to some radar blob out in the Gulf of Mexico and making two basic meteorological points: (1) There is no need to panic. (2) We could all be killed. Yes, hurricane season is an exciting time to be in Florida. If you're new to the area, you're probably wondering what you need to do to prepare for the possibility that we'll get hit by "the big one." Based on our experiences, we recommend that you follow this simple three-step hurricane preparedness plan: STEP 1. Buy enough food and bottled water to last your family for at least three days. STEP 2. Put these supplies into your car. STEP 3. Drive to Nebraska and remain there until Halloween. Unfortunately, statistics show that most people will not follow this sensible plan. Most people will foolishly stay here in Florida. We'll start with one of the most important hurricane preparedness items: HOMEOWNERS' INSURANCE: If you own a home, you must have hurricane insurance. Fortunately, this insurance is cheap and easy to get, as long as your home meets two basic requirements: (1) It is reasonably well-built, and (2) It is located in Nebraska. Unfortunately, if your home is located in Florida, or any other area that might actually be hit by a hurricane, most insurance companies would prefer not to sell you hurricane insurance, because then they might be required to pay YOU money, and that is certainly not why they got into the insurance business in the first place. So you'll have to scrounge around for an insurance company, which will charge you an annual premium roughly equal to the replacement value of your house. At any moment, this company can drop you like used dental floss. Since Hurricane George, I have had an estimated 27 different home-insurance companies. This week, I'm covered by the Bob and Big Stan Insurance Company, under a policy which states that, in addition to my premium, Bob and Big Stan are entitled, on demand, to my kidneys. SHUTTERS: Your house should have hurricane shutters on all the windows, all the doors, and - if it's a major hurricane - all the toilets. There are several types of shutters, with advantages and disadvantages: Plywood shutters: The advantage is that, because you make them yourself, they're cheap. The disadvantage is that, because you make them yourself, they will fall off. Sheet-metal shutters: The advantage is that these work well, once you get them all up. The disadvantage is that once you get them all up, your hands will be useless bleeding stumps, and it will be December. Roll-down shutters: The advantages are that they're very easy to use, and will definitely protect your house. The disadvantage is that you will have to sell your house to pay for them. "Hurricane-proof" windows: These are the newest wrinkle in hurricane protection: They look like ordinary windows, but they can withstand hurricane winds! You can be sure of this, because the salesman says so. He lives in Nebraska. "Hurricane Proofing" Your Property: As the hurricane approaches, check your yard for movable objects like barbecue grills, planters, patio furniture, visiting relatives, etc.. You should, as a precaution, throw these items into your swimming pool (if you don't have a swimming pool, you should have one built immediately). Otherwise, the hurricane winds will turn these objects into deadly missiles. EVACUATION ROUTE: If you live in a low-lying area, you should have an evacuation route planned out. (To determine whether you live in a low-lying area, look at your driver's license; if it says "Florida, you live in a low-lying area.) The purpose of having an evacuation route is to avoid being trapped in your home when a major storm hits. Instead, you will be trapped in a gigantic traffic jam several miles from your home, along with two hundred thousand other evacuees. So, as a bonus, you will not be lonely. HURRICANE SUPPLIES: If you don't evacuate, you will need a mess of supplies. Do not buy them now! Florida tradition requires that you wait until the last possible minute, then go to the supermarket and get into vicious fights with strangers over who gets
Re: [TruthTalk] Five Million
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/9/2004 4:22:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: While I do not agree on this prayer controlling weather thing, I have to let you know that this weekend, while in Pismo Beach, the local news station over there described the dramatic downturn for Frances as "unexplainable." Why do I think Michael will return post with a hearty amen? Michael, you write I trust the believing weather warriors will hang in there. Hey John, I wish you would become a believer. Could you explain the last phrase paaaeese. john Sorry John. I see the problem.I meant a believer re God's desire for folks to access this area of grace concerning the weather. I did't intend to cause you anguish I am curious, though. Why, in the face of such compelling evidence, and knowing the good that it could do, would you not believe that God is really doing this. Let me share with you that since the Lord has led me into this arena full fledged, I have not owned an umbrella. That has been many a year now (about 16in all). I fight to exercise my authority to meet the challenges. Do you think, John, that these results (and those Izzy described) would work if God was not directly involved? Personally, I don't know how to work magic. How do you relate to the many scriptures I've shared on it? Don't they bring anything to brear on your position at all? I am curious to know. If not, I would love to hear your reason(s) why not, or anyone else's for that matter. Now I know folks say they don't agree, but should not our positions be subject to the Word of God, and not be sovereign because we think that God would not do a certain thing? Just a thought... ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun!
Re: [TruthTalk] Five Million
- Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: September 10, 2004 11:36 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Five Million BTW, I thought about this and I want to add that I still believe that God can be sending a message about a need to repent from sin (individually, or statewide, or nationwide) when He allows such devastation. Especially when there are 3 hurricanes in 3 weeks! We should all take it to heart, and should all pray for repentance on our part and mercy on His. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ShieldsFamilySent: Friday, September 10, 2004 6:55 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Five Million Terry, You are so very right on. I still do believe that we can pray for Gods direct intervention in His course of Nature. Izzy At first glance, you would seem to offer a strong argument. I have been known to come up short in the areas of love and humility, so I would, at times, be one of the sinners that God is angry with every day. Further examination though, would show that through all this, Terry has lost nothing but some pears that the wind blew down. Our highest wind gusts were fifty mph, and the sustained wind was only about twenty-five mph. We did not even get all the rain we were hoping for (needed five inches, got two). God knows where to find me, and if He wants to smack me around, His aim is not that bad, so we need to examine other areas to see a possible solution to this dilemma. My own theory is since the rain falls on the just and the unjust at the same time, The Lord has pre-programmed the elements to operate in a manner that we call "Nature". After all, He appears to have done the same thing with the orbits of planets, with the seasons, and with the moon. Of course, if He chooses to interrupt those patterns, He could steer a storm as easily as He caused the sun to stand still. I am just not sure that He micro manages in every area. When I was lobster fishing in the keys, those storms scrubbed the reefs and bay bottoms thorougly, flushed out rivers and creeks, and generally improved conditions under the surface of our waters. Sponges and shell fish and the fishery were given a shot in the arm. We don't think about those things being part of God's plan. Our nature is to think only of ourselves.Maybe we need to think more.Thanks for thinking about us. We got another one on the wayHis will be done,Terry --
Re: [TruthTalk] Five Million
Maybe God will 'send' a hurricane to St. Louis. Now, that'd get peoples attention. NOT when they occur where there's supposed to occur. 'Message'??Exactly what KIND of god(small 'g' intentional)do you serve, Linda? - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: September 10, 2004 11:36 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Five Million BTW, I thought about this and I want to add that I still believe that God can be sending a message about a need to repent from sin (individually, or statewide, or nationwide) when He allows such devastation. Especially when there are 3 hurricanes in 3 weeks! We should all take it to heart, and should all pray for repentance on our part and mercy on His. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ShieldsFamilySent: Friday, September 10, 2004 6:55 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Five Million Terry, You are so very right on. I still do believe that we can pray for Gods direct intervention in His course of Nature. Izzy At first glance, you would seem to offer a strong argument. I have been known to come up short in the areas of love and humility, so I would, at times, be one of the sinners that God is angry with every day. Further examination though, would show that through all this, Terry has lost nothing but some pears that the wind blew down. Our highest wind gusts were fifty mph, and the sustained wind was only about twenty-five mph. We did not even get all the rain we were hoping for (needed five inches, got two). God knows where to find me, and if He wants to smack me around, His aim is not that bad, so we need to examine other areas to see a possible solution to this dilemma. My own theory is since the rain falls on the just and the unjust at the same time, The Lord has pre-programmed the elements to operate in a manner that we call "Nature". After all, He appears to have done the same thing with the orbits of planets, with the seasons, and with the moon. Of course, if He chooses to interrupt those patterns, He could steer a storm as easily as He caused the sun to stand still. I am just not sure that He micro manages in every area. When I was lobster fishing in the keys, those storms scrubbed the reefs and bay bottoms thorougly, flushed out rivers and creeks, and generally improved conditions under the surface of our waters. Sponges and shell fish and the fishery were given a shot in the arm. We don't think about those things being part of God's plan. Our nature is to think only of ourselves.Maybe we need to think more.Thanks for thinking about us. We got another one on the wayHis will be done,Terry --
[TruthTalk] Re:How To Get Someone's Attention/punish someone
Hit them up side the head with sufficient force to break their eardrum. Then, go to the other ear. Then, move on to other parts of their anatomy. This may be carried out following bad behavior. It may or may not alter their behavior. It will gain their attention I assure you. This is a metaphor.
[TruthTalk] Fw: 9/11 overview
Title: 9/11 overview - Original Message - From: Hughes Jonathan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: September 10, 2004 16:16 Subject: 9/11 overview Interesting article covering an overview of 9/11 conspiracy, now referred to as the 9/11 Truth Movement. http://www.guerrillanews.com/intelligence/doc5233.html www.guerrillanews.com is actually a pretty good site overall and one I visit 4 or 5 times a week. Others that are worth while looking/wasting your time at: www.buzzflash.com www.propagandamatrix.com www.whatreallyhappened.com Jonathan Hughes Supervisor of Application Support Kingsway Financial 905-629-7888 x. 2471 This e-mail and any attachments contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. Thank you for your cooperation in connection with the above.Ce courriel ainsi que tous les documents sy rattachant contiennent de linformation confidentielle et privilgie. Si vous ntes pas le destinataire vis, s.v.p. en informer immdiatement son expditeur par retour de courriel, effacer le message et dtruire toute copie (lectronique ou autre). Toute diffusion ou utilisation de cette information par une personne autre que le destinataire vis est interdite et peut tre illgale. Merci de votre coopration relativement au message susmentionn.
[TruthTalk] Fw: 9/11 overview
Title: 9/11 overview - Original Message - From: Hughes Jonathan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: September 10, 2004 16:16 Subject: 9/11 overview Interesting article covering an overview of 9/11 conspiracy, now referred to as the 9/11 Truth Movement. http://www.guerrillanews.com/intelligence/doc5233.html www.guerrillanews.com is actually a pretty good site overall and one I visit 4 or 5 times a week. Others that are worth while looking/wasting your time at: www.buzzflash.com www.propagandamatrix.com www.whatreallyhappened.com Jonathan Hughes Supervisor of Application Support Kingsway Financial 905-629-7888 x. 2471 This e-mail and any attachments contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. Thank you for your cooperation in connection with the above.Ce courriel ainsi que tous les documents sy rattachant contiennent de linformation confidentielle et privilgie. Si vous ntes pas le destinataire vis, s.v.p. en informer immdiatement son expditeur par retour de courriel, effacer le message et dtruire toute copie (lectronique ou autre). Toute diffusion ou utilisation de cette information par une personne autre que le destinataire vis est interdite et peut tre illgale. Merci de votre coopration relativement au message susmentionn.
RE: [TruthTalk] Re:How To Get Someone's Attention/punish someone
Your parents, obviously, never spanked you. Too bad. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 1:50 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [TruthTalk] Re:How To Get Someone's Attention/punish someone Hit them up side the head with sufficient force to break their eardrum. Then, go to the other ear. Then, move on to other parts of their anatomy. This may be carried out following bad behavior. It may or may not alter their behavior. It will gain their attention I assure you. This is a metaphor.
RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: 9/11 overview
Title: 9/11 overview Please refrain from posting liberal propaganda on TT. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 4:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [TruthTalk] Fw: 9/11 overview - Original Message - From: Hughes Jonathan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: September 10, 2004 16:16 Subject: 9/11 overview Interesting article covering an overview of 9/11 conspiracy, now referred to as the 9/11 Truth Movement. http://www.guerrillanews.com/intelligence/doc5233.html www.guerrillanews.com is actually a pretty good site overall and one I visit 4 or 5 times a week. Others that are worth while looking/wasting your time at: www.buzzflash.com www.propagandamatrix.com www.whatreallyhappened.com Jonathan Hughes Supervisor of Application Support Kingsway Financial 905-629-7888 x. 2471 This e-mail and any attachments contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. Thank you for your cooperation in connection with the above. Ce courriel ainsi que tous les documents sy rattachant contiennent de linformation confidentielle et privilégiée. Si vous nêtes pas le destinataire visé, s.v.p. en informer immédiatement son expéditeur par retour de courriel, effacer le message et détruire toute copie (électronique ou autre). Toute diffusion ou utilisation de cette information par une personne autre que le destinataire visé est interdite et peut être illégale. Merci de votre coopération relativement au message susmentionné.
RE: [TruthTalk] Five Million
Lance, We get tornadoes in St. Louis. And floods. Pretty much the same stuff in a different form. What does God use to discipline Canadians? Ice? My God loves us enough to warn us to repent of sin before it is too late. Doesnt yours? Also, do you believe the words in the Bible are true? Izzy PS Answers would be most appreciated. Psalm 9:7-8 But the LORD [Or sits as king] abides forever; He has established His throne for judgment, And He will judge the world in righteousness; He will execute judgment for the peoples with equity. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Five Million Maybe God will 'send' a hurricane to St. Louis. Now, that'd get peoples attention. NOT when they occur where there's supposed to occur. 'Message'??Exactly what KIND of god(small 'g' intentional)do you serve, Linda? - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: September 10, 2004 11:36 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Five Million BTW, I thought about this and I want to add that I still believe that God can be sending a message about a need to repent from sin (individually, or statewide, or nationwide) when He allows such devastation. Especially when there are 3 hurricanes in 3 weeks! We should all take it to heart, and should all pray for repentance on our part and mercy on His. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ShieldsFamily Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 6:55 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Five Million Terry, You are so very right on. I still do believe that we can pray for Gods direct intervention in His course of Nature. Izzy At first glance, you would seem to offer a strong argument. I have been known to come up short in the areas of love and humility, so I would, at times, be one of the sinners that God is angry with every day. Further examination though, would show that through all this, Terry has lost nothing but some pears that the wind blew down. Our highest wind gusts were fifty mph, and the sustained wind was only about twenty-five mph. We did not even get all the rain we were hoping for (needed five inches, got two). God knows where to find me, and if He wants to smack me around, His aim is not that bad, so we need to examine other areas to see a possible solution to this dilemma. My own theory is since the rain falls on the just and the unjust at the same time, The Lord has pre-programmed the elements to operate in a manner that we call Nature. After all, He appears to have done the same thing with the orbits of planets, with the seasons, and with the moon. Of course, if He chooses to interrupt those patterns, He could steer a storm as easily as He caused the sun to stand still. I am just not sure that He micro manages in every area. When I was lobster fishing in the keys, those storms scrubbed the reefs and bay bottoms thorougly, flushed out rivers and creeks, and generally improved conditions under the surface of our waters. Sponges and shell fish and the fishery were given a shot in the arm. We don't think about those things being part of God's plan. Our nature is to think only of ourselves. Maybe we need to think more. Thanks for thinking about us. We got another one on the way His will be done, Terry --
RE: [TruthTalk] Five Million
Michael D: Oh boy, seems like I have to thread carefully on this terrain... I would not want to ruffle Lance's or Izzy's feathers... Go easy guys!!! Is that possible on TT??? H. Anyway to some serious stuff. Ivan was originally due to hit Barbados flush. THe Lord showed to my prayer partner and me during a time of prayer, three Caribbean nations that were in serious jeopardy. They are Jamaica, Guyana and Barbados. This was at the end of last week (Thursday,I believe). He showed my prayer partner that the pride of the Bajans (Barbadians) had stirred His anger (they are actually a very proud people). Both of my parents are from Barbados, and many of their relatives live their. One of my sisters does as well. This revelation came to him just as the Lord had me taking a bit of a strange turn as we were winding down a long session of sharing around the things of God aand prayer. The Lord just put Jamaica on my heart, and I started to prophesy over it and to take up a lamentation over it. The Lord had me speaking that He was in sadness over Jamaica, that it was a land that He loved and longed to draw her unto Himself. Alot of sadness was being expressed in that prophesy, but interspersed with joy. It took me by surprise, but I stepped out in faith and strove to flow with the Spirit. He then had me do something similar with Guyana (the only English-speaking Caribbean country located in South America). This was more than a bit unusual the way it happened. When I was done, I thought my prayer partner would have a further confirming word on those countries. Then he shared with me on what the Lord was showing him about Barbados when I was speaking over Jamaica. Strange thing, this happened before this threat of Ivan materialized in the way that it did. You can imagine how taken aback we were as the events of this week unfolded, and finding that Jamaica, after the initial onslaught of Ivan, was directly in the path of this fella. Never did we realize how dramatic and immanent God's word to us was. Through it all we have prayed for God's mercy and fought the storm for dear life. It still baffles me how folks can be so apathetic about something so serious. The people of Grenada were that way because they hadn't experienced anything like that for almost fifty years. Now Ivan has left 90% of the buildings either destroyed or badly damaged, down to the Prime Minister's residences (official and private) and the Governor General's. All that was left standing of the latter's is the foundation. Strange thing about Ivan.It was heading flush for Barbados as category 4. I insisted that I was going to pray against it. He was not so convinced, since the Lord showed him the night before the storm's advent (while we were again in prayer - Sunday ) rooftops blowing off and trees falling. That's when I insisted It didn't matter that God's fury waswrapped up in this (revelation that night as well)but that I was going to pray against it. It wa similar to the Frances and Florida situation. You allmight recall that I was not getting a witness from the Lord, when it was in the Caribbean, that Frances was going to die, but that I was going to push the envelope. Well I didn't tell all, but the Lord was witnessing to me that Frances was not going to die, but God has been known to relent on His determination to execute judgement in the face offervent pleas and faith. That's the zone I was aiming my faith at then.It was the samein this present scenario. Thank God thatsuddenly Ivan turned away from Barbados. They still got a blow with some destruction and a death, but they reported that it was alot less than they had anticipated with the original category 4 status and direct hit that were forcast. That was a victory of God's mercy in judgement. Standing in the gap works. Irony of ironies, it turned towards Trinidad and Tobago (TnT). Well, all of myspiritual systems went into high alert. I have to admit I was in some considerable trepidation, since the Lord was doing some serious dealings with me at the time. I was groping for a sense of His favour and reassurance in order to fight the faith battle. He started giving it bit by bit, and did not allow me to eat any meals all of that Tuesday. I went through a vast array of warfare strategies as I depended on the Lord to guide me, from warfare praise, worship and dancing before the Lord, to repentance and asking God to search my heart and mourning over unchristlike charasterics that I have exhibited. This is something I am going to have to do alot more of. As Joshua had to learn, don't go to battle with anything 'unclean' in the camp. The result??? The landfall kept being delayed and delayed, and the storm was downgraded to a category 2 (sounds familiar?). It began to veer away from Tobago after many hours... at that point I knew I/we had gotten a breakthrough. I was encouraged and relieved. The Holy Spirit even had me at one point stamp on Ivan's head (figuratively folks, figuratively...).
RE: [TruthTalk] Re:How To Get Someone's Attention/punish someone
ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your parents, obviously, never spanked you. Too bad. Izzy Michael D: Why do you say that Izzy? Is it because he seems to have the methodology all wrong???Just being mischievous folks... And to think that I was going to thread carefully around you two... From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Friday, September 10, 2004 1:50 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [TruthTalk] Re:How To Get Someone's Attention/punish someone Hit them up side the head with sufficient force to break their eardrum. Then, go to the other ear. Then, move on to other parts of their anatomy. This may be carried out following bad behavior. It may or may not alter their behavior. It will gain their attention I assure you. This is a metaphor. ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun!
RE: [TruthTalk] Re:How To Get Someone's Attention/punish someone
No way, Michael, youre knee deep in this, too! J Although I can beat up on Lance quite nicely by myself, Im always looking for helpers!!! Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of michael douglas Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 5:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Re:How To Get Someone's Attention/punish someone ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your parents, obviously, never spanked you. Too bad. Izzy Michael D: Why do you say that Izzy? Is it because he seems to have the methodology all wrong???Just being mischievous folks... And to think that I was going to thread carefully around you two... From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 1:50 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [TruthTalk] Re:How To Get Someone's Attention/punish someone Hit them up side the head with sufficient force to break their eardrum. Then, go to the other ear. Then, move on to other parts of their anatomy. This may be carried out following bad behavior. It may or may not alter their behavior. It will gain their attention I assure you. This is a metaphor. ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun!
RE: [TruthTalk] Re:How To Get Someone's Attention/punish someone
I really thought you needed the help, but since you have now reassured me, I will give you a clear path to the subject... Seems like you're trying your best to liberate a liberal. Hmmm. Tread carefully, Izzy. Anyway, he's all yours. I'll fight with the weather...ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No way, Michael, youre knee deep in this, too! J Although I can beat up on Lance quite nicely by myself, Im always looking for helpers!!! Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of michael douglasSent: Friday, September 10, 2004 5:40 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Re:How To Get Someone's Attention/punish someone ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your parents, obviously, never spanked you. Too bad. Izzy Michael D: Why do you say that Izzy? Is it because he seems to have the methodology all wrong???Just being mischievous folks... And to think that I was going to thread carefully around you two... From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Friday, September 10, 2004 1:50 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [TruthTalk] Re:How To Get Someone's Attention/punish someone Hit them up side the head with sufficient force to break their eardrum. Then, go to the other ear. Then, move on to other parts of their anatomy. This may be carried out following bad behavior. It may or may not alter their behavior. It will gain their attention I assure you. This is a metaphor. ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun!
Re: [TruthTalk] Re:How To Get Someone's Attention/punish someone
In a message dated 9/10/2004 4:59:11 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I really thought you needed the help, but since you have now reassured me, I will give you a clear path to the subject... Seems like you're trying your best to liberate a liberal. Hmmm. Tread carefully, Izzy. Anyway, he's all yours. I'll fight with the weather... Sounds like Michael has kind of left you standing out in the rain, huh? JDsmithson
RE: [TruthTalk] Re:How To Get Someone's Attention/punish someone
Unfortunately you missed Lances point. It is saying that your view of God (as exemplified through your post on the number of storms lately) is abhorrent. Let me explain. I am a father. I have a 2 and a half year old son named Noah. Now imagine that I beat him around the head a bit. He goes to the hospital and they diagnose Noah as being deaf due to repeated blows. The question is: what kind of father would you think that I am if this story was true? There are few examples that would display a worse father. Now, you believe that God sends storms to kill and maim people and cause massive devastation in order to get them to repent. Let me quote you: BTW, I thought about this and I want to add that I still believe that God can be sending a message about a need to repent from sin (individually, or statewide, or nationwide) when He allows such devastation. Especially when there are 3 hurricanes in 3 weeks! We should all take it to heart, and should all pray for repentance on our part and mercy on His. Izzy It is called divine child abuse and it is sick. God is not sending storms to punish unbelievers. Storms are a natural function of a contingent world. What may be beneficial in this conversation is to talk about how your viewpoint probably stems from an incorrect (and highly damaging) view of the atonement. What happens to Jesus on the cross? Was God murdering His own Son to appease some inflamed sense of justice? Does the brutal death of Jesus somehow make Gods anger at sin go away? I would suggest that this view of God is perhaps the single largest cause of depression in the Western world today. A worldview that begins with the Fall of man ends in death. A worldview that begins in the heart of God, slain before the foundation of the world leads through the Fall and into life. This is gospel; this is good news. Jonathan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ShieldsFamily Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 7:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Re:How To Get Someone's Attention/punish someone Your parents, obviously, never spanked you. Too bad. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 1:50 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [TruthTalk] Re:How To Get Someone's Attention/punish someone Hit them up side the head with sufficient force to break their eardrum. Then, go to the other ear. Then, move on to other parts of their anatomy. This may be carried out following bad behavior. It may or may not alter their behavior. It will gain their attention I assure you. This is a metaphor.
Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: 9/11 overview
Title: 9/11 overview Thank you for the link. I never knew about the destruction of WTC-7. I played the NBC and CBS videos posted on http://www.wtc7.net/. No plane hit WTC-7. To "pull" off a demolition of that magnitude, therehad to be a great amount of planning in advance. I also did not know about the gag order placed upon Sibel Edmonds. --Marlin - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 6:22 PM Subject: [TruthTalk] Fw: 9/11 overview - Original Message - From: Hughes Jonathan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: September 10, 2004 16:16 Subject: 9/11 overview Interesting article covering an overview of 9/11 conspiracy, now referred to as the 9/11 Truth Movement. http://www.guerrillanews.com/intelligence/doc5233.html www.guerrillanews.com is actually a pretty good site overall and one I visit 4 or 5 times a week. Others that are worth while looking/wasting your time at: www.buzzflash.com www.propagandamatrix.com www.whatreallyhappened.com Jonathan Hughes Supervisor of Application Support Kingsway Financial 905-629-7888 x. 2471 This e-mail and any attachments contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. Thank you for your cooperation in connection with the above.Ce courriel ainsi que tous les documents sy rattachant contiennent de linformation confidentielle et privilgie. Si vous ntes pas le destinataire vis, s.v.p. en informer immdiatement son expditeur par retour de courriel, effacer le message et dtruire toute copie (lectronique ou autre). Toute diffusion ou utilisation de cette information par une personne autre que le destinataire vis est interdite et peut tre illgale. Merci de votre coopration relativement au message susmentionn.
RE: [TruthTalk] Re:How To Get Someone's Attention/punish someone
No fair, Michaelbattling hurricanes is so much easier than battling Lance! Iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of michael douglas Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 5:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Re:How To Get Someone's Attention/punish someone I really thought you needed the help, but since you have now reassured me, I will give you a clear path to the subject... Seems like you're trying your best to liberate a liberal. Hmmm. Tread carefully, Izzy. Anyway, he's all yours. I'll fight with the weather... ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No way, Michael, youre knee deep in this, too! J Although I can beat up on Lance quite nicely by myself, Im always looking for helpers!!! Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of michael douglas Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 5:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Re:How To Get Someone's Attention/punish someone ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your parents, obviously, never spanked you. Too bad. Izzy Michael D: Why do you say that Izzy? Is it because he seems to have the methodology all wrong???Just being mischievous folks... And to think that I was going to thread carefully around you two... From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 1:50 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [TruthTalk] Re:How To Get Someone's Attention/punish someone Hit them up side the head with sufficient force to break their eardrum. Then, go to the other ear. Then, move on to other parts of their anatomy. This may be carried out following bad behavior. It may or may not alter their behavior. It will gain their attention I assure you. This is a metaphor. ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun!
RE: [TruthTalk] Re:How To Get Someone's Attention/punish someone
Iz in red: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Hughes Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:13 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Re:How To Get Someone's Attention/punish someone Unfortunately you missed Lances point.Why are you people always thinking I missed the point? I GOT it, okay??? It is saying that your view of God (as exemplified through your post on the number of storms lately) is abhorrent. Let me explain. I am a father. I have a 2 and a half year old son named Noah. Now imagine that I beat him around the head a bit. He goes to the hospital and they diagnose Noah as being deaf due to repeated blows. The question is: what kind of father would you think that I am if this story was true? There are few examples that would display a worse father. Now, you believe that God sends storms to kill and maim people and cause massive devastation in order to get them to repent. Let me quote you: BTW, I thought about this and I want to add that I still believe that God can be sending a message about a need to repent from sin (individually, or statewide, or nationwide) when He allows such devastation. Especially when there are 3 hurricanes in 3 weeks! We should all take it to heart, and should all pray for repentance on our part and mercy on His. Izzy It is called divine child abuse and it is sick. Perhaps you have never had to punish your children in any way, but most parents do. This is a light form of discipline. God sometimes gets much heavier handed when He disciplines because that is better than doing nothing at all and having a person go to hell eternally. Do you believe in hell? (Please answer.) And sometimes God is not disciplining (a nation for instance) but He is just plain bringing down long-put-off judgment. Then there is no mercyafter many unheeded reproofs. That is why I have learned to thank God for His reproofs: I heed them to avoid much more severe judgment later. I am so grateful that He cares enough to be involved in every bit of my life! God is not sending storms to punish unbelievers. Also Believers! Storms are a natural function of a contingent world.I can understand those who dont believer storms, for instance, might be sent/allowed by God. They may be right. However, I am of the viewpoint that God can and does use Nature, and anything else He created for His purposes at times. What may be beneficial in this conversation is to talk about how your viewpoint probably stems from an incorrect (and highly damaging) view of the atonement. What happens to Jesus on the cross? Was God murdering His own Son to appease some inflamed sense of justice? Inflamed? Does the brutal death of Jesus somehow make Gods anger at sin go away?So what do you think it did?( Please answer.) I would suggest that this view of God is perhaps the single largest cause of depression in the Western world today. Then why the heck am I so cheerful? Those who are depressed are unsure of where they stand with God, I believe. The gospel is Good News; so how can I be depressed? A worldview that begins with the Fall of man ends in death. A worldview that begins in the heart of God, slain before the foundation of the world leads through the Fall and into life.I frankly dont see any difference. They both have exactly the same components, in the same order. You just dont think they do. People who believe as I do are not unaware that everything on Gods end was in place prior to the Fall. You just dont think they are. This is gospel; this is good news. Jonathan, I appreciate your viewpoint. However, as far as I can see, it just aint scriptural. Surely you are aware of the multitude of scriptures that affirm Gods judgments and reproofs? If you would like me to forward some Ill be happy to do so. Meanwhile, please back up your theory with scriptures (just for me?). Thanks dear Jonathan, Izzy Jonathan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ShieldsFamily Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 7:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Re:How To Get Someone's Attention/punish someone Your parents, obviously, never spanked you. Too bad. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 1:50 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [TruthTalk] Re:How To Get Someone's Attention/punish someone Hit them up side the head with sufficient force to break their eardrum. Then, go to the other ear. Then, move on to other parts of their anatomy. This may be carried out following bad behavior. It may or may not alter their behavior. It will gain their attention I assure you. This is a metaphor.
RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: 9/11 overview
Title: 9/11 overview Marlin, Any chance the advance planning was done by the devil? Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlin Halverson Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: 9/11 overview Thank you for the link. I never knew about the destruction of WTC-7. I played the NBC and CBS videos posted on http://www.wtc7.net/. No plane hit WTC-7. To pull off a demolition of that magnitude, therehad to be a great amount of planning in advance. I also did not know about the gag order placed upon Sibel Edmonds. --Marlin - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 6:22 PM Subject: [TruthTalk] Fw: 9/11 overview - Original Message - From: Hughes Jonathan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: September 10, 2004 16:16 Subject: 9/11 overview Interesting article covering an overview of 9/11 conspiracy, now referred to as the 9/11 Truth Movement. http://www.guerrillanews.com/intelligence/doc5233.html www.guerrillanews.com is actually a pretty good site overall and one I visit 4 or 5 times a week. Others that are worth while looking/wasting your time at: www.buzzflash.com www.propagandamatrix.com www.whatreallyhappened.com Jonathan Hughes Supervisor of Application Support Kingsway Financial 905-629-7888 x. 2471 This e-mail and any attachments contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. Thank you for your cooperation in connection with the above. Ce courriel ainsi que tous les documents sy rattachant contiennent de linformation confidentielle et privilégiée. Si vous nêtes pas le destinataire visé, s.v.p. en informer immédiatement son expéditeur par retour de courriel, effacer le message et détruire toute copie (électronique ou autre). Toute diffusion ou utilisation de cette information par une personne autre que le destinataire visé est interdite et peut être illégale. Merci de votre coopération relativement au message susmentionné.
