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http://www.hyperhistory.net/apwh/bios/b4macarthurd.htmGeneral MacArthur used American and Australian forces to coordinate an attack which led to the Japanese surrender. The day of the surrender Brigadier General MacArthur became Supreme Commander of the Allied Forces and was promoted to General of the Army, a five-star general. MacArthur occupied Japan to help rebuild its governmental system. A devout Episcopalian, MacArthur said to a visiting group of evangelicals that "Japan is a spiritual vacuum. If you do not fill it with Christianity, it will be filled with Communism. Send me 1,000 missionaries." He asked U.S. missionary societies to send "Bibles, Bibles and more Bibles.http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/30551 It is a shame that
incarcerated Jihadists are not given Bibles, because one Islamist, Tawfik Hamid, said that what made him eventually reject extremist beliefs was his having read Matthew 5:7-9: Before leaving college, he carried two boxes of books -- all espousing jihad -- into his yard. He poured gasoline over the pile and set it on fire. A healed mind, he felt, could rise only from the ashes of hate. While he watched the blaze, he remembered reading the Bible on his own in high school, and the words that had so moved him. "Blessed are the merciful, for they will be shown mercy. "Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God." "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God." Nutt, Amy Ellis. "What Makes a Terrorist?" newhousenews.com, 23 Dec 2005, http://www.newhousenews.com/archive/nutt122305.html Other similar ex-terrorists include Walid Shoebat, Zak Anani and Ibrahim Abadallah. Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Is this what we are fighting for?I talked to a returning GI, who is a Christian.He told me he was praying for fellowship with another Christian. Orders or whatever keep the Christians from displaying such offensivematerials as crosses. In addition it is against policy to talk tolocals about such subjects as Christianity.He said the Chaplains office only has Korans, could this be true?http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/535Man has to Sue to get a Bible! While Koran is easily obtained.US Gov't Fights in court to KEEP BIBLE
OUT!US Gov't SOP for "handling the Koran in manner signaling respect andreverence"http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,158704,00.htmlLOL - US military attempts to preserve the tender sensibilities ofterrorists?Is this a separation of Church State issue?Why NO Respect/Reverence fo our Bible?http://www.thedailystar.net/magazine/2005/12/04/international.htmhttp://www.boston.com/news/world/articles/2003/11/07/limits_put_on_new_muslim_chaplain/--- ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: From WorldNetDaily.com: Rome, 22 March (AKI) - Abdul Rahman, the man condemned to death for having abandoned Islam, is just one of many Afghanis who decide to convert to Christianity, but most are forced to do so secretly, argues Arab Christian author Camille Eid. In an interview with Adnkronos International (AKI) Eid, author of "The Christians who come from Islam", said
during a recent trip to Afghanistan he met many similar cases. "They are Christians who have sprung out of nowhere and it's unclear how they have decided by themselves to convert" he added. The US, Italy, Germany and Canada have all expressed concern over the fate of Rahman who converted to Christianity 16 years ago. "I also spoke to a priest who had passed through Kabul and he said he was amazed that women sitting on the ground at the local market saw he was a foreigner and a Christian, by the cross he was wearing, and attracted his attention to them by making a sign of the cross with their fingers. He was convinced that they were trying to send him a coded message" said Eid, a Lebanese Maronite who lives in Italy. According to the author, Abdul Rahman is not the first Afghan
citizen to have been sentenced to death for apostasy since the fall of the Taliban regime. "The Islamic Taliban militias who still control entire areas of the country issued a statement in June 2004 in which they referred to a death sentence handed down to an Afghan converted to Christianity, Moulawi Asad Allah."__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.orgIf you do not want to receive posts
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Re: [TruthTalk] Noah Webster

2006-03-26 Thread ttxpress






On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 17:46:50 -0500 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Really up on social justice huh..?
  ||
  
  whateverrings true
  
  
"Sweet brother, if I do not sleep My eyes are flowers on your tomb 
And if I cannot eat my bread My fasts shall live like willows where 
you died If in the heat I find no water for my thirst My thirst 
shall turn to springs for you, poor traveler 
Come, in your labor find a resting place And in my sorrows lay your 
head Brother, take my life and bread And buy yourself a better bed 
Take my breath and take my death Buy yourself a better rest beneath 
the bells of Gethsemani 
When all the men of war are killed And flags have fallen into dust 
Your cross and mine will tell men still He died on each for both of 
us That we might become the brothers of God And learn to know the 
Christ of burnt men 
And the children are ringing the bells of Gethsemani 
For in the wreckage of your April Christ lies slain He weeps in the 
ruins of my spring The money of whose tears shall fall Into your 
weak and friendless hand And buy you back to your own land 
The silence of whose tears shall fall Like bells upon your alien tomb 
Hear them and come, they call you home And the children are ringing 
the bells of Gethsemani 
Yes, if they had been there They would have taken that crown of 
thorns from his hair And stayed for a while in that place of despair 
Ah, but what do I see, my brother is there And he's ringing the 
bells of Gethsemani"
(Music by Joan Baez, Words by Thomas Merton) 
© 1981 Gabriel Earl Music (ASCAP)

Re: [TruthTalk] Noah Webster

2006-03-26 Thread ttxpress






On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 17:46:50 -0500 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Really up on social justice huh..?
  
  
  
  whatever rings 
  true
  
"Sweet brother, if I do not sleep My eyes are flowers on 
your tomb And if I cannot eat my bread My fasts shall live like 
willows where you died If in the heat I find no water for my thirst 
My thirst shall turn to springs for you, poor traveler 
Come, in your labor find a resting place And in my sorrows 
lay your head Brother, take my life and bread And buy yourself a 
better bed Take my breath and take my death Buy yourself a better 
rest beneath the bells of Gethsemani 
When all the men of war are killed And flags have fallen 
into dust Your cross and mine will tell men still He died on each 
for both of us That we might become the brothers of God And learn to 
know the Christ of burnt men 
And the children are ringing the bells of Gethsemani 
For in the wreckage of your April Christ lies slain He 
weeps in the ruins of my spring The money of whose tears shall fall 
Into your weak and friendless hand And buy you back to your own land 

The silence of whose tears shall fall Like bells upon your 
alien tomb Hear them and come, they call you home And the children 
are ringing the bells of Gethsemani 
Yes, if they had been there They would have taken that 
crown of thorns from his hair And stayed for a while in that place of 
despair Ah, but what do I see, my brother is there And he's ringing 
the bells of Gethsemani" 
(Music by Joan Baez, Words by Thomas Merton) 
© 1981 Gabriel Earl Music (ASCAP)

Re: [TruthTalk] Noah Webster




I think it's a "right back atcha" thing - for years I 
would go over there and hear much lamenting about
what Americans had bought; do you know an American 
Company now owns the all Australian
delicious spread called Vegemite?

On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 23:45:33 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  I've just learned that 
  Australia is investing workers 
  retirement funds in US Real Estate
  
  They just bought the 
  New York Thruway. Does that mean I need a passport, now?From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  On Behalf Of Judy 
  TaylorThanks for this 
  Kevin
  


Proof of the pudding is always in 
the eating.

I've just learned that 
Australia is investing workers 
retirement funds in US Real Estate also

So Lance and his prophet don't have 
a whole lot of support from "down under" 
either



On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 09:20:31 -0800 (PST) Kevin 
Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  
  Lance says Canada will not suffer the same fate at the 
  USA. 
  
  
  
  
  Ah
  
  Ah
  
   AH 
  CHOO!
  
  
  
  excuse me
  
  
  
  348,000 New York jobs are supported by 
  Canada-U.S. trade 
  
  Total CanadaU.S. merchandise trade: $411 billion 
  
  
  CanadaU.S. trade supported 5.2 million 
  U.S. jobs 
  
  
  More people traveled between Canada and NY in 2004 than any other 
  U.S. state 
  
  
  14,500,000 vehicles crossed the Canada-U.S. border 
  at the four Niagara crossings last year, accounting for 34% of all traffic 
  that crossed into Ontario 
  
  
  
  
  ROTFL
  
  With this many US Jobs gone, could CanaDUH 
  rebound? 
  
  
  
  http://www.2ontario.com/welcome/coca_401.asp
  
  Seeing that a FULL 84% of CanaDUHs exports are US 
  
  
  Calculator 
  please
  
  That leaves 16%, can CanaDUH's economy survive on 
  16% of its present exports?
  
  Remember that the Total export/imports of 
  canada represents a FULL 2/3rds 
  of their GDP!
  
  SIZE does 
  matter!
  
  
  
  Thanks for the add'l example of mindless 
  parroting.
  
  Don't you just HATE 
  Ignorance?
  
  I guess it is better than letting it go to 
  waste.
  
  Lance Muir 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  

The 'prophet' (take note, 
David) said otherwise in November. Canada will not suffer the same fate at 
the USA. Size does matter but, 
it's not the only thing that 
matters.

  
  - Original Message 
  - 
  
  From: 
  Judy Taylor 
  
  
  To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  
  Sent: 
  March 25, 2006 08:03
  
  Subject: 
  Re: [TruthTalk] Noah Webster
  
  
  
  Don't worry 
  Lance, if the USA 
  implodes - Canada 
  and Europe will go with it - at 
  present when the
  
  US sneezes the 
  rest of the world catch a cold. Such envy and jealousy from the 
  North ... Goodness gracious!
  
  
  
  
  
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance 
  MuirMost on TT will live to 
  see the implosion of the USA. At 
  what point will you declare bankruptcy. You don't have the option of 
  moving out of your old house and into a new 
  one.
  

  


From: ShieldsFamily 








http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noah_Webster



As a teacher, he had come to dislike 
American elementary schools. They could be overcrowded, with up 
to seventy children of all ages crammed into one-room 
schoolhouses, poorly staffed with untrained teachers, and 
poorly equipped with no desks and unsatisfactory textbooks which 
came from England. Webster 
thought that Americans should learn from American books, so he 
began writing a three volume compendium, A Grammatical Institute of the 
English Language. The work consisted of a speller 
(published in 1783), a grammar 
(published in 1784), and a reader 
(published in 1785). His goal was

Re: [TruthTalk] Noah Webster




Thomas Merton and Joan Baez?? - O good gracious, you're 
sinking Gary, and fast.

On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 01:33:29 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  
  On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 17:46:50 -0500 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:
  
Really up on social justice huh..?



whatever rings 
true

  "Sweet brother, if I do not sleep My eyes are flowers on 
  your tomb And if I cannot eat my bread My fasts shall live like 
  willows where you died If in the heat I find no water for my thirst 
  My thirst shall turn to springs for you, poor traveler 
  Come, in your labor find a resting place And in my 
  sorrows lay your head Brother, take my life and bread And buy 
  yourself a better bed Take my breath and take my death Buy 
  yourself a better rest beneath the bells of Gethsemani 
  When all the men of war are killed And flags have fallen 
  into dust Your cross and mine will tell men still He died on each 
  for both of us That we might become the brothers of God And learn 
  to know the Christ of burnt men 
  And the children are ringing the bells of Gethsemani 
  For in the wreckage of your April Christ lies slain He 
  weeps in the ruins of my spring The money of whose tears shall fall 
  Into your weak and friendless hand And buy you back to your own 
  land 
  The silence of whose tears shall fall Like bells upon 
  your alien tomb Hear them and come, they call you home And the 
  children are ringing the bells of Gethsemani 
  Yes, if they had been there They would have taken that 
  crown of thorns from his hair And stayed for a while in that place of 
  despair Ah, but what do I see, my brother is there And he's 
  ringing the bells of Gethsemani" 
  (Music by Joan Baez, Words by Thomas Merton) 
  © 1981 Gabriel Earl Music (ASCAP)

[TruthTalk] Truth and Freedom (some food for thought)





Truth and freedom go hand in hand, but truth 
will produce freedom only as it is walked in. This ought to be self-evident. We 
can know something is true, but if we fail to walk in it, what good is it? Its 
value to us is worthless unless it is walked in.
Freedom and truth come to those who press on. 
Freedom, the kind of freedom that God is involved in bringing us into, comes 
progressively, not all at once. These are lessons from the Days of Unleavened 
Bread. It took the Israelites seven days to get to and across the Red Sea. It 
took them another forty years to get into their own land, into their 
inheritance, the Promised Land.
Their freedom was progressive. There was a 
time when it began, but if they had never continued on the way, they would never 
have had their own land, never have had their inheritance, never have been free. 

This is a large part of the object lesson: We 
have to continue. If we continue, then we will truly be a disciple. We will 
understand the truth, and the truth will make usfree. The truth of God 
shows us the real values of life because it shows us what we are to give our 
life to.

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism









Pretty close! J











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Deegan
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006
10:15 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw:
Williams on Creationism







Izzy





PS She was driving a nicer car than I have;
but then so does everyone. -) 



































ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:







Oh, how the Libs LOVE demeaning Wal-Mart!
How very predictable you would bring it up. And what is your PROBLEM with
Wal-Mart? Oh, they dont pay enough or give enough benefits to those POOR
people who work there; so SAD! My book club (SLU Womens Club) read some
libs expose on Wal-Mart and they were all up in arms about how they
refuse to shop there. A few months later which merchant allowed us to
solicit funds for our SLU Hospital Auxiliary at their doors? You guessed it,
Wal-Mart! Did they boycott that; no way, Baby! So, while I was
there soliciting donations I noticed this young female Wal-Mart employee on her
cellphone trying to get someone to come and pick her up because she locked her
keys in her car; obviously with no luck. So when it was time for me to
leave I said Come on, Ill give you a ride home. While we were
driving to her apartment we were talking, and she told me that she (around age
24) had full custody of four children (her sisters, brothers, nephews in some
combination). She is raising them as a single woman, while attending
classes at the U of Mo in STL on a psychology degree, while volunteering part
time at a local hospital and working part time cleaning houses and part time at
Wal-Mart. I asked What do you think about how Wal-Mart treats its
employees? She said Oh its so wonderful working there. They
treat us all SO well. And if it werent for my benefits there I
could never dream of taking care of my kids! So stick that in your pipe
and puff on it. Izzy PS She was driving a nicer car than I have;
but then so does everyone. -) 



















From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006
11:07 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw:
Williams on Creationism















myth[the writer'sa blamer with
an evidentfeminist' bias,butAm. conservativeMuslim
theoryain't really their fault: 









'eitherget our new WalMarts opened on
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We wouldnt be HAVING a problem with
Muslims if we hadnt thrown God out of the government and schools a long
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Re: [TruthTalk] Noah Webster

I think it's a "right back atcha" thing Is that so? Well, how do you like the fact that some American Company bought the rights to all those Paul Hogan movies?Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it's a "right back atcha" thing - for years I would go over there and hear much lamenting about what Americans had bought; do you know an American Company now owns the all Australian delicious spread called Vegemite?On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 23:45:33 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:I've just learned that Australia is investing workers retirement funds in US Real EstateThey just bought the New York Thruway. Does that mean I need a passport, now?From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy TaylorThanks for this KevinProof of the pudding is always in the eating.I've just learned that Australia is investing workers retirement funds in US Real Estate
alsoSo Lance and his prophet don't have a whole lot of support from "down under" eitherOn Sat, 25 Mar 2006 09:20:31 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Lance says Canada will not suffer the same fate at the USA. AhAh AH CHOO!excuse me348,000 New York jobs are supported by Canada-U.S. trade Total CanadaU.S. merchandise trade: $411 billion CanadaU.S. trade supported 5.2 million U.S. jobs More people traveled between Canada and NY in 2004 than any other U.S. state 14,500,000 vehicles crossed the Canada-U.S. border at the four Niagara crossings last year, accounting for 34% of all traffic that crossed into Ontario ROTFLWith this many US Jobs gone, could CanaDUH rebound? http://www.2ontario.com/welcome/coca_401.aspSeeing that a FULL 84% of CanaDUHs exports are US Calculator pleaseThat leaves 16%, can CanaDUH's economy survive on 16% of its present exports?Remember that the Total export/imports of canada represents a FULL 2/3rds of their GDP!SIZE does matter!Thanks for the add'l example of mindless parroting.Don't you just HATE Ignorance?I guess it is better than letting it go to waste.Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The 'prophet' (take note, David) said otherwise in November. Canada will not suffer the same fate at the USA. Size does matter but, it's not the only thing that matters. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 25, 2006 08:03Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Noah WebsterDon't worry Lance, if the USA implodes - Canada and Europe will go with it - at present when theUS sneezes the rest of the world catch a cold. Such envy and jealousy from the North ... Goodness
gracious!From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirMost on TT will live to see the implosion of the USA. At what point will you declare bankruptcy. You don't have the option of moving out of your old house and into a new one.From: ShieldsFamily http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noah_WebsterAs a teacher, he had come to dislike American elementary schools. They could be overcrowded, with up to seventy children of all ages crammed into one-room schoolhouses, poorly staffed with untrained teachers, and poorly equipped with no desks and unsatisfactory textbooks which came from England. Webster thought that Americans should learn from American books, so he began writing a three volume compendium, A Grammatical Institute of the English Language. The work consisted of a speller (published in 1783), a grammar (published in 1784), and a reader (published in 1785). His goal was to provide a uniquely American, Christ-centered approach to training children.The speller was originally entitled The First Part of the Grammatical Institute of the English Language. The title was changed in 1786 to The American Spelling Book, and again in 1829 to The Elementary Spelling Book. Most people called it the "Blue-Backed Speller" because of its blue cover, and for the next one hundred years, Webster's book taught children
how to read, spell, and pronounce words. It was the most popular American book of its time; by 1861, it was selling a million copies per year, and its royalty of less than one cent per copy was enough to sustain Webster in his other endeavors. Even Ben Franklin used Webster's book to teach his granddaughter how to read.Noah was generally known to be Christian. It is reported that Noah Websters 1828 American Dictionary contains the greatest number of Biblical definitions given in any reference volume. Webster considered "education useless without the Bible.""In my view, the Christian religion is the most important and one of the first things in which all children, under a free government ought to be instructed...No truth is more evident to my mind than that the Christian religion must be the basis of any government intended to

RE: [TruthTalk] Truth and Freedom (some food for thought)









Keep on keeping on, Jude! iz











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor
Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 5:33
AM
To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: [TruthTalk] Truth and
Freedom (some food for thought)







Truth and freedom go hand in hand, but truth will produce
freedom only as it is walked in. This ought to be self-evident. We can know
something is true, but if we fail to walk in it, what good is it? Its value to
us is worthless unless it is walked in.

Freedom and truth come to those who press on. Freedom,
the kind of freedom that God is involved in bringing us into, comes
progressively, not all at once. These are lessons from the Days of Unleavened
Bread. It took the Israelites seven days to get to and across the Red Sea. It took them another forty years to get into
their own land, into their inheritance, the Promised Land.

Their freedom was progressive. There was a time when it
began, but if they had never continued on the way, they would never have had their
own land, never have had their inheritance, never have been free. 

This is a large part of the object lesson: We have to
continue. If we continue, then we will truly be a disciple. We will understand
the truth, and the truth will make usfree. The truth of God shows us the
real values of life because it shows us what we are to give our life to.

RE: [TruthTalk] Noah Webster


Who is Gary Olson?

-- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 








LOL! So true as to be hilarious. iz





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy TaylorSent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 3:04 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Noah Webster


What was dualistic about that comment Gary Olson? It is world affairs that's all...

You are truly weird, strange, weird ... Why do you truncate what ppl write and insert your 

own comments - ultimately making it appear the person said something they did not.

Oh I understand - you do the same with God's Words. O' the shame of it.



On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 13:33:31 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


more evidenceof jt's implicit dualism



On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 12:49:07 -0500 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


[while eschatological] Proof of the pudding is always in the eating...[is'nt] Australia..investing workers retirement funds in[biblically questionable] Real Estate also[?]

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

The liberals have some kind of Papist FIXATION that their Opinion should affect your Opinion! Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Opinion??? Oh well!! "So what is man whose breath is in his nostril??" I will "ditto" Izzy - There is just one that matters to me and it is not yours JD On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 02:18:30 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Judy -- I do know what you believe.Let me make something clear since our time together is
quickly coming to an end. "Carnal" applies to you, IMO, because of what I see as a reliance on your own brand of intellectualism. As a result, you own the most unusual collection of theological opinions I have ever seen. On the good side, you are one of the most imaginative theologians I know something I actually respect. It is what I see in Barth and the others. what is most difficult is your attitude during a discussion. You simply do not know how to disagree without the personal assault. On other forums, I am not nearly as aggressive as I am here -- but there simply is no other way to be when in the presence of you, Linda, Kev and even David (at times). I know that you will not agree with any of my view expressed above -- but most of what I have said is, IMO, a good report of you.
Finally, if your posts do not tell us what you believe, your purpose for writing is suspect. Since I can read, I do know what you believe. jd-- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] I know enough to recognize the real when I see it and so do my BSF buddies You JD, don't know what I believe, nor can you evaluate my BSF buddies Quit being so presumptuous, it is not a godly traitOn Sun, 26 Mar 2006 00:26:45 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Refer to Matt 28 19ff and Mark 16:15 ff -- and stop prestending that you alone understand scripture. Your BSF buddies do not think much of your theology, that is for sure. jdFrom: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] "preach the gospel" and "make disciples/" Aberrent theologiesmake little cookie cutter disciples just like Lance and Bill Only Jesus' Words make disciples that look like HimOn Sat, 25 Mar
2006 23:46:52 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Results that combine both commands, "preach the gospel" and "make disciples/" jd-- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Results? #3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Three kinds of evangelism present on this list. 1.. Drive-bye or protest evangelismKevin , Dean, David (often but not always)2. Tower of power
evangelism -- where the saint does her best work at home and not in the real world.3. Mentor evangelism (Lance , Bill and others)We don't agree, Judy, because the paradigm for evangelism is not the same. you in your home and me in my world, where I live, where people see me everyday. -- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] If there are christian teachers in the system (and there are) who must teach theories of evolution that they do not believe. What's wrong with teaching the other side also even if there are unbelievers teaching it There are also unbelievers in different churches these days teaching all kinds of things. The student has the responsibility to search it out for themselves.On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 12:32:49 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:What's scary is that you think the solution is to have an antagonistic educator "teach" what he does not believe -- you thinking, of course, that he will do so without commentary that thoroughly negates the purpose of this compromise. In the real world, Linda, you simply cannot construct a model in which this will work to our (the Christian church -- whose address do we use , again ??) favor. In fact, to get all the warring factions to agree, the stateent on creationism would
be so watered down as to be really meaningless. From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Scary to the max. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:14 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism Of course. But that is not really the issue. -- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] So IYO it is better to have secular folk teaching untruth than truth. I see. izzyFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:46 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism It's not what is taught (for me and in this case) so much as it is WHO TEACHES THEM. You want the secular world to be responsible -- I don't. jd-- Original message --

Re: [TruthTalk] Noah Webster




I didn't know about it - but it wouldn't bother 
Australians; they are not pleased with Paul Hogan ... mainly
because he got carried away with celebrity and left his 
wife and mother of his five children Noela to
marry the girl in his first movie. He lives in 
California most of the time now and is not the "unsophisticated"
steel rigger he once was.

On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 05:24:44 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  I think it's a "right back atcha" thing 
  
  Is that so? 
  Well, how do you like the fact that some American Company bought the 
  rights to all those Paul Hogan movies?Judy Taylor 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

I think it's a "right back atcha" thing - for years 
I would go over there and hear much lamenting about
what Americans had bought; do you know an American 
Company now owns the all Australian
delicious spread called Vegemite?

On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 23:45:33 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  I've just learned that 
  Australia is investing workers 
  retirement funds in US Real Estate
  
  They just bought 
  the New York Thruway. Does that mean I need a passport, now?From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy 
  TaylorThanks for this 
  Kevin
  


Proof of the 
pudding is always in the eating.

I've just learned 
that Australia is investing 
workers retirement funds in US Real Estate 
also

So Lance and his 
prophet don't have a whole lot of support from "down under" 
either



On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 09:20:31 -0800 (PST) Kevin 
Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  
  Lance says 
  Canada will not 
  suffer the same fate at the USA. 
  
  
  
  
  Ah
  
  Ah
  
   AH 
  CHOO!
  
  
  
  excuse me
  
  
  
  348,000 New York jobs are supported by 
  Canada-U.S. trade 
  
  Total CanadaU.S. merchandise trade: $411 
  billion 
  
  CanadaU.S. trade supported 5.2 million 
  U.S. jobs 
  
  
  More people traveled between 
  Canada and NY in 
  2004 than any other U.S. state 
  
  
  14,500,000 vehicles crossed the Canada-U.S. 
  border at the four Niagara crossings last year, accounting for 34% of 
  all traffic that crossed into Ontario 
  
  
  
  
  ROTFL
  
  With this many US Jobs gone, could CanaDUH 
  rebound? 
  
  
  
  http://www.2ontario.com/welcome/coca_401.asp
  
  Seeing that a FULL 84% of CanaDUHs exports are 
  US 
  
  Calculator 
  please
  
  That leaves 16%, can CanaDUH's economy survive 
  on 16% of its present exports?
  
  Remember that the Total export/imports of 
  canada represents a FULL 
  2/3rds of their GDP!
  
  SIZE does 
  matter!
  
  
  
  Thanks for the add'l example of 
  mindless parroting.
  
  Don't you just HATE 
  Ignorance?
  
  I guess it is better than letting 
  it go to waste.
  
  Lance Muir 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  

The 'prophet' (take 
note, David) said otherwise in November. Canada will not suffer the same fate 
at the USA. Size does matter 
but, it's not the only thing that 
matters.

  
  - Original Message 
  - 
  
  From: Judy Taylor 
  
  
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  
  Sent: March 25, 2006 
  08:03
  
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Noah 
  Webster
  
  
  
  Don't worry 
  Lance, if the USA implodes - Canada and Europe will go with it - at present when 
  the
  
  US sneezes 
  the rest of the world catch a cold. Such envy and jealousy 
  from the North ... Goodness 
  gracious!
  
  
  
  
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance 
  MuirMost on TT will live 
  to see the implosion of the USA. At what

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism


Can't make disciples without mentoring - it is impossible. Apparently you do not know this -- I'm guessing you don't do it or you wouldn't make fun of the idea. 

jd

jd

-- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Go ye into all the world and Mentor the Gospel!

Who have you mentored? Do you have any men?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

tower power -- nothing much to report in terms of results. 

Protest-evangelism -- ditto.

Mentor evangeliism -- it is the method of historical record --- how he church grew from 12 to several million within its first 100 years of life. 

jd

-- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
So tell us about it.

Results?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Results that combine both commands, "preach the gospel" and "make disciples/" 

jd

-- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Results? #3
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Three kinds of evangelism present on this list. 

1.. Drive-bye or protest evangelismKevin , Dean, David (often but not always)

2. Tower of power evangelism -- where the saint does her best work at home and not in the real world.

3. Mentor evangelism (Lance , Bill and others)

We don't agree, Judy, because the paradigm for evangelism is not the same.  you in your home and me in my world, where I live, where people see me everyday. 

-- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

If there are christian teachers in the system (and there are) who must teach theories of evolution that they
do not believe. What's wrong with teaching the other side also even if there are unbelievers teaching it
There are also unbelievers in different churches these days teaching all kinds of things. The student has
the responsibility to search it out for themselves.

On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 12:32:49 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

What's scary is that you think the solution is to have an antagonistic educator "teach" what he does not believe -- you thinking, of course, that he will do so without commentary that thoroughly negates the purpose of this compromise. In the real world, Linda, you simply cannot construct a model in which this will work to our (the Christian church -- whose address do we use , again ??) favor. In fact, to get all the warring factions to agree, the stateent on creationism would be so watered down as to be really meaningless. 
From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 








Scary to the max. 





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:14 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism


Of course. But that is not really the issue. 



-- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
So IYO it is better to have secular folk teaching untruth than truth. I see. izzy





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:46 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism


It's not what is taught (for me and in this case) so much as it is WHO TEACHES THEM. You want the secular world to be responsible -- I don't. 



jd



-- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED]  So, here we are, back to the fact that IF you believed something to be true  you would NOT want children to be taught about it. Can you see why some of  us aren't following your logic? iz   -Original Message-  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir  Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:28 AM  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism   IZ:No, I would not.- Original Message -  From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 OM .C> To:  Sent: March 25, 2006 06:14  ; Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism gt; Dodging the question, as usual. iz -Original Message-   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir   Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:54 PM   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism It ain't true. It's a hyperbolic hypothetical, Iz. .   - Original Message -   From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To:   Sent: March 24, 2006 17:16   Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism&
amp; amp;g t;   That wasn't the question; I asked whether IF you believe it were true,   you   would want it taught in schools. You said NO. Pathetic, eh? iz -Original Message-   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir   Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:49 PM   To:

RE: [TruthTalk] Noah Webster









I love Crocodile Dundee because he says,
with a glint in his eye, Now THIS is a knife!  Life up your Bible
and say, Now THIS is the Word! It cuts to the quick and separates
the men from the boys! J iz











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Deegan
Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 7:25
AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Noah
Webster







I think it's a right back
atcha thing 











Is that so? 





Well, how do you like the fact that some American Company bought the
rights to all those Paul Hogan movies?

Judy Taylor
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:







I think it's a right back
atcha thing - for years I would go over there and hear much lamenting
about





what Americans had bought; do you know
an American Company now owns the all Australian





delicious spread called Vegemite?











On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 23:45:33 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:







I've just learned that Australia
is investing workers retirement funds in US Real Estate











They just bought the New York Thruway. Does that mean I need a
passport, now?

From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor
Thanks for this
Kevin











Proof of the pudding is always in the
eating.









I've just learned that Australia
is investing workers retirement funds in US Real Estate also









So Lance and his prophet don't have a
whole lot of support from down under either



















On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 09:20:31 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:











Lance says Canada will not suffer the
same fate at the USA. 



















Ah









Ah









 AH CHOO!



















excuse me



















348,000 New York jobs are
supported by Canada-U.S. trade 









Total CanadaU.S. merchandise trade: $411 billion 









CanadaU.S. trade supported 5.2 million U.S.
jobs 









More people traveled between Canada and NY in 2004 than
any other U.S.
state 









14,500,000 vehicles crossed the Canada-U.S. border at the four Niagara
crossings last year, accounting for 34% of all traffic that crossed into Ontario




















ROTFL









With this many US Jobs gone, could CanaDUH rebound? 



















http://www.2ontario.com/welcome/coca_401.asp









Seeing that a FULL 84% of CanaDUHs exports are US 









Calculator please









That leaves 16%, can CanaDUH's economy survive on 16% of its present
exports?









Remember that the Total export/imports of canada
represents a FULL 2/3rds of their GDP!









SIZE does matter!



















Thanks for the add'l example of mindless parroting.









Don't you just HATE Ignorance?









I guess it is better than letting it go to waste.










Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:











The 'prophet' (take note, David) said otherwise in November.
Canada
will not suffer the same fate at the USA.
Size does matter but, it's not the only thing that matters.











- Original Message - 









From: Judy Taylor










To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org










Sent: March 25, 2006
08:03









Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
Noah Webster



















Don't worry Lance, if the USA implodes - Canada and Europe will go with it - at present when the









US sneezes the rest of the world catch a
cold. Such envy and jealousy from the North ... Goodness gracious!





























From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Lance Muir
Most on TT will live to see the implosion of the USA.
At what point will you declare bankruptcy. You don't have the option of moving
out of your old house and into a new one.

















From: ShieldsFamily






































http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noah_Webster



















As a teacher, he
had come to dislike American elementary schools. They could be overcrowded,
with up to seventy children of all ages crammed into one-room schoolhouses, poorly staffed with
untrained teachers, and poorly equipped with no desks and unsatisfactory
textbooks which came from England. Webster thought that Americans should learn from
American books, so he began writing a three volume compendium, A Grammatical Institute of the English Language.
The work consisted of a speller (published in 1783), a grammar
(published in 1784),
and a reader (published in 1785). His goal was to provide a uniquely American,
Christ-centered approach to training children.









The speller was originally entitled The First Part of the Grammatical Institute of the
English Language. The title was changed in 1786 to The American Spelling Book, and again in 1829 to The Elementary Spelling Book. Most people
called it the Blue-Backed Speller because of its blue cover, and
for the next one hundred years, Webster's book taught children how to read,
spell, and pronounce words. It was the most popular American book of its time;

RE: [TruthTalk] Noah Webster









Who is Linda?











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 7:29
AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Noah
Webster







Who is Gary Olson?











-- Original message -- 
From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]


LOL! So true as to be
hilarious. iz











From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Judy Taylor
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006
3:04 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Noah
Webster







What was dualistic about that comment
Gary Olson? It is world affairs that's all...





You are truly weird, strange, weird ...
Why do you truncate what ppl
write and insert your 





own comments - ultimately making it
appear the person said something they did not.





Oh I understand - you do the same with
God's Words. O' the shame of it.











On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 13:33:31 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:







more
evidenceof jt's implicit dualism











On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 12:49:07 -0500 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:







[while eschatological] Proof of the pudding is always in the eating...[is'nt] Australia..investing
workers retirement funds in[biblically questionable] Real Estate also[?]

Re: [TruthTalk] Noah Webster




Your buddy JD, the one who sent you the baseball bat; 
apparently he was lucid
enough to accomplish that; the rest of the time he is 
obsessed by dualism.

On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 13:28:49 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Who is Gary Olson?
  
  From: 
"ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 








LOL! So true 
as to be hilarious. iz





From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of Judy 
Taylor

What was dualistic about that 
comment Gary Olson? It is world affairs that's 
all...

You are truly weird, strange, weird 
... Why 
do you truncate what ppl write and insert your 


own comments - ultimately making it 
appear the person said something they did 
not.

Oh I understand - you do the same 
with God's Words. O' the shame of 
it.



On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 13:33:31 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  
  more 
  evidenceof jt's implicit 
  dualism
  
  
  
  On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 12:49:07 -0500 Judy Taylor 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:
  

[while 
eschatological] Proof of the pudding is always in the 
eating...[is'nt] Australia..investing workers 
retirement funds in[biblically 
questionable] Real Estate also[?]

RE: [TruthTalk] Noah Webster









He probably sent two bats!











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor
Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 7:33
AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Noah
Webster







Your buddy JD, the one who sent you the
baseball bat; apparently he was lucid





enough to accomplish that; the rest of
the time he is obsessed by dualism.











On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 13:28:49 + [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:







Who is Gary Olson?












From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]


LOL! So true as to be
hilarious. iz











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor





What was dualistic about that comment
Gary Olson? It is world affairs that's all...





You are truly weird, strange, weird ...
Why do you truncate what ppl
write and insert your 





own comments - ultimately making it
appear the person said something they did not.





Oh I understand - you do the same with
God's Words. O' the shame of it.











On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 13:33:31 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:







more
evidenceof jt's implicit dualism











On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 12:49:07 -0500 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:







[while eschatological] Proof of the pudding is always in the eating...[is'nt] Australia..investing
workers retirement funds in[biblically questionable] Real Estate also[?]

Re: [TruthTalk] Truth and Freedom (some food for thought)


Good post -- as far as it goes. What you leave out is this: they never fully arrived !!! God remained patient. Kinda like it is right now. 

jd

-- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] 


Truth and freedom go hand in hand, but truth will produce freedom only as it is walked in. This ought to be self-evident. We can know something is true, but if we fail to walk in it, what good is it? Its value to us is worthless unless it is walked in.
Freedom and truth come to those who press on. Freedom, the kind of freedom that God is involved in bringing us into, comes progressively, not all at once. These are lessons from the Days of Unleavened Bread. It took the Israelites seven days to get to and across the Red Sea. It took them another forty years to get into their own land, into their inheritance, the Promised Land.
Their freedom was progressive. There was a time when it began, but if they had never continued on the way, they would never have had their own land, never have had their inheritance, never have been free. 
This is a large part of the object lesson: We have to continue. If we continue, then we will truly be a disciple. We will understand the truth, and the truth will make usfree. The truth of God shows us the real values of life because it shows us what we are to give our life to.

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

Not so JD.  that is Job ONE  1 CO 1:11 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.Lets compare lists of "men" that follow. Since you are big on this is the way let us see how you walk in it.BTW just what things in you, do they follow?  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Can't make disciples without mentoring - it is impossible. Apparently you do not know this -- I'm guessing you don't do it or you wouldn't make fun of the idea. jdjd-- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]   Go ye into all the world and Mentor the Gospel!Who have you mentored? Do you have any men?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:tower power -- nothing much to report in terms of results. Protest-evangelism -- ditto.Mentor evangeliism -- it is the method of historical record --- how he church grew from 12 to several million within its first 100 years of life. jd-- Original message -- From: Kevin
 Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]   So tell us about it.Results?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Results that combine both commands, "preach the gospel" and "make disciples/" jd-- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]   Results? #3  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Three kinds of evangelism present on this list. 1.. Drive-bye or protest evangelismKevin , Dean, David (often but not
 always)2. Tower of power evangelism -- where the saint does her best work at home and not in the real world.3. Mentor evangelism (Lance , Bill and others)We don't agree, Judy, because the paradigm for evangelism is not the same.  you in your home and me in my world, where I live, where people see me everyday. -- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] If there are christian teachers in the system (and there are) who must teach theories of evolution that they  do not believe. What's wrong with teaching the other side also even if there are
 unbelievers teaching it  There are also unbelievers in different churches these days teaching all kinds of things. The student has  the responsibility to search it out for themselves.On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 12:32:49 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:What's scary is that you think the solution is to have an antagonistic educator "teach" what he does not believe -- you thinking, of course, that he will do so without commentary that thoroughly negates the purpose of this compromise. In the real world, Linda, you simply cannot construct a model in which this will work to our (the Christian church -- whose address do we use , again ??) favor. In fact, to get all the warring
 factions to agree, the stateent on creationism would be so watered down as to be really meaningless.   From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Scary to the max. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent:
 Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:14 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism  Of course. But that is not really the issue. -- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED]   So IYO it is better to have secular folk teaching untruth than truth. I see. izzyFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:46 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
 It's not what is taught (for me and in this case) so much as it is WHO TEACHES THEM. You want the secular world to be responsible -- I don't. jd-- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED]  So, here we are, back to the fact that IF you believed something to be true  you would NOT want children to be taught about it. Can you see why some of  us aren't following your logic? iz   -Original Message-  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir  Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:28 AM  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism   IZ:No, I would not.- Original Message -  From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] .C OM> To:  Sent: March 25, 2006 06:14  ; Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism gt; Dodging the question, as usual. iz -Original Message-   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir   Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:54 PM   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism It ain't true. It's a hyperbolic hypothetical, Iz. .   - Original
 Message -   From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To:   Sent: March 24, 2006 17:16   Subject: RE:

Re: [TruthTalk] Noah Webster


Since you are right about everything else, you must be right about this. Sorry I asked. 

jd

-- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Your buddy JD, the one who sent you the baseball bat; apparently he was lucid
enough to accomplish that; the rest of the time he is obsessed by dualism.

On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 13:28:49 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Who is Gary Olson?

From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 








LOL! So true as to be hilarious. iz





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor

What was dualistic about that comment Gary Olson? It is world affairs that's all...

You are truly weird, strange, weird ... Why do you truncate what ppl write and insert your 

own comments - ultimately making it appear the person said something they did not.

Oh I understand - you do the same with God's Words. O' the shame of it.



On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 13:33:31 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


more evidenceof jt's implicit dualism



On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 12:49:07 -0500 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


[while eschatological] Proof of the pudding is always in the eating...[is'nt] Australia..investing workers retirement funds in[biblically questionable] Real Estate also[?]

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

And OH YEAH, JD  Be sure to list what the men you have "Mentored" are doing now.  Things like Full time missionaries, Pastors, Street Preachers,   or in your casewhatever it is that they DO and that you have mentored them up  onward to...[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Can't make disciples without mentoring - it is impossible. Apparently you do not know this -- I'm guessing you don't do it or you wouldn't make fun of the idea. jd-- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]   Go ye into all the world and Mentor the
 Gospel!Who have you mentored? Do you have any men?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:tower power -- nothing much to report in terms of results. Protest-evangelism -- ditto.Mentor evangeliism -- it is the method of historical record --- how he church grew from 12 to several million within its first 100 years of life. jd-- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]   So tell us about it.Results?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Results that combine both commands, "preach the gospel" and "make disciples/" jd-- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]   Results? #3  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Three kinds of evangelism present on this list. 1.. Drive-bye or protest evangelismKevin , Dean, David (often but not always)2. Tower of power evangelism -- where the saint does her best work at home and not in the real world.3.
 Mentor evangelism (Lance , Bill and others)We don't agree, Judy, because the paradigm for evangelism is not the same.  you in your home and me in my world, where I live, where people see me everyday. -- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] If there are christian teachers in the system (and there are) who must teach theories of evolution that they  do not believe. What's wrong with teaching the other side also even if there are unbelievers teaching it  There are also unbelievers in different churches these days teaching all kinds of things. The student has  the responsibility to search it out for themselves.On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 12:32:49 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:What's scary is that you think the solution is to have an antagonistic educator "teach" what he does not believe -- you thinking, of course, that he will do so without commentary that thoroughly negates the purpose of this compromise. In the real world, Linda, you simply cannot construct a model in which this will work to our (the Christian church -- whose address do we use , again ??) favor. In fact, to get all the warring factions to agree, the stateent on creationism would be so watered down as to be really meaningless.   From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED]   Scary to the max. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:14 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism  Of course. But that is not really the issue.
 -- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED]   So IYO it is better to have secular folk teaching untruth than truth. I see. izzyFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:46 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism  It's not what is taught (for me and in this case) so much as it is WHO TEACHES THEM. You want the secular world to be responsible -- I don't. jd-- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED]  So, here we are, back to the fact that IF you believed something to be true  you would NOT want children to be taught about it. Can you see why some of  us aren't following your logic? iz   -Original Message-  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir  Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:28 AM  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism   IZ:No, I would not.- Original Message -  From: "ShieldsFamily"
 <[EMAIL PROTECTED] .C OM> To:  Sent: March 25, 2006 06:14  ; Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism gt; Dodging the question, as usual. iz -Original Message-   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir   Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:54 PM   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism It ain't true. It's a hyperbolic hypothetical, Iz. .   - Original Message -   From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To:   Sent: March 24, 2006 17:16  
 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw:

RE: [TruthTalk] Invitation.









BTW, we didnt even notice until the
house was completeddid you see the cross on the front window? We will
outline it with little white lights this Christmas. izzy











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ShieldsFamily
Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 7:52
AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: [TruthTalk] Invitation.





The new house. It has a dark green roof. Plenty of bedrooms. Every one
of you on TT (yes, even YOU, Gary!), come and visit us anytime, PLEASE!!! Izzy

I sent
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Re: [TruthTalk] Mentoring


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Re: [TruthTalk] Noah Webster

Or, take your Bible and point to Him while saying 
'HE IS THE WORD'.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  ShieldsFamily 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

  Sent: March 26, 2006 08:33
  Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Noah 
  Webster

  I love Crocodile 
  Dundee because he says, with a glint in his eye, Now THIS is a knife! 
  Life up your Bible and say, Now THIS is the Word! It cuts to the quick and 
  separates the men from the boys! J 
  iz

  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganSent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 7:25 
  AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Noah 
  Webster

  I think it's a "right back atcha" 
  thing 

  Is that so? 

  Well, how do you like the fact that some American 
  Company bought the rights to all those Paul Hogan movies?Judy Taylor 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:

I think it's a "right back atcha" 
thing - for years I would go over there and hear much lamenting 
about

what Americans had bought; do you 
know an American Company now owns the all 
Australian

delicious spread called 
Vegemite?

On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 23:45:33 -0800 (PST) Kevin 
Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  I've just learned that 
  Australia 
  is investing workers retirement funds in US Real 
  Estate

  They just bought the New York Thruway. Does that 
  mean I need a passport, now?From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy 
  TaylorThanks for this Kevin

Proof of the 
pudding is always in the 
eating.

I've just learned 
that Australia 
is investing workers retirement funds in US Real Estate 
also

So Lance and his 
prophet don't have a whole lot of support from "down under" 
either

On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 09:20:31 -0800 (PST) Kevin 
Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  Lance says 
  Canada will not 
  suffer the same fate at the USA. 

  Ah

  Ah

   AH 
  CHOO!

  excuse 
  me

  348,000 New 
  York jobs are supported 
  by Canada-U.S. trade 

  Total CanadaU.S. merchandise trade: $411 
  billion 

  CanadaU.S. trade supported 5.2 million 
  U.S. 
  jobs 

  More people traveled between 
  Canada and NY in 
  2004 than any other U.S. 
  state 

  14,500,000 vehicles crossed the Canada-U.S. 
  border at the four Niagara crossings last year, accounting for 34% of 
  all traffic that crossed into Ontario 

  ROTFL

  With this many US Jobs gone, could CanaDUH 
  rebound? 

  http://www.2ontario.com/welcome/coca_401.asp

  Seeing that a FULL 84% of CanaDUHs exports are 
  US 

  Calculator 
  please

  That leaves 16%, can CanaDUH's economy survive 
  on 16% of its present 
exports?

  Remember that the Total export/imports of 
  canada 
  represents a FULL 2/3rds of their 
  GDP!

  SIZE does 
  matter!

  Thanks for the add'l example of 
  mindless 
  parroting.

  Don't you just HATE 
  Ignorance?

  I guess it is better than letting 
  it go to waste.

  Lance Muir 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:

The 'prophet' (take 
note, David) said otherwise in November. Canada will not 
suffer the same fate at the USA. 
Size does matter but, it's not the only thing that 
matters.

  - Original Message 
  - 

  From: Judy Taylor 

  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

RE: [TruthTalk] Noah Webster









Amen, Lance! Hoping all is well with you,
izzy











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 8:06
AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Noah
Webster







Or, take your Bible and point to Him while saying 'HE IS THE
WORD'.







- Original Message - 





From: ShieldsFamily






To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org






Sent: March 26, 2006
08:33





Subject: RE: [TruthTalk]
Noah Webster









I love Crocodile Dundee because he says,
with a glint in his eye, Now THIS is a knife! Life up your
Bible and say, Now THIS is the Word! It cuts to the quick and
separates the men from the boys! J iz











From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Kevin Deegan
Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 7:25
AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Noah Webster







I think it's a right back
atcha thing 











Is that so? 





Well, how do you like the fact that some American Company bought the
rights to all those Paul Hogan movies?

Judy Taylor
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:







I think it's a right back
atcha thing - for years I would go over there and hear much lamenting
about





what Americans had bought; do you know
an American Company now owns the all Australian





delicious spread called Vegemite?











On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 23:45:33 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:







I've just learned that Australia
is investing workers retirement funds in US Real Estate











They just bought the New York Thruway. Does that mean I need a
passport, now?

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Judy Taylor
Thanks for this
Kevin











Proof of the pudding is always in the
eating.









I've just learned that Australia
is investing workers retirement funds in US Real Estate also









So Lance and his prophet don't have a
whole lot of support from down under either



















On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 09:20:31 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:











Lance says Canada will not suffer the
same fate at the USA. 



















Ah









Ah









 AH CHOO!



















excuse me



















348,000 New York jobs are
supported by Canada-U.S. trade 









Total CanadaU.S. merchandise trade: $411 billion 









CanadaU.S. trade supported 5.2 million U.S.
jobs 









More people traveled between Canada and NY in 2004 than
any other U.S.
state 









14,500,000 vehicles crossed the Canada-U.S. border at the four Niagara
crossings last year, accounting for 34% of all traffic that crossed into Ontario




















ROTFL









With this many US Jobs gone, could CanaDUH rebound? 



















http://www.2ontario.com/welcome/coca_401.asp









Seeing that a FULL 84% of CanaDUHs exports are US 









Calculator please









That leaves 16%, can CanaDUH's economy survive on 16% of its present
exports?









Remember that the Total export/imports of canada
represents a FULL 2/3rds of their GDP!









SIZE does matter!



















Thanks for the add'l example of mindless parroting.









Don't you just HATE Ignorance?









I guess it is better than letting it go to waste.










Lance Muir
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:











The 'prophet' (take note, David) said otherwise in November.
Canada
will not suffer the same fate at the USA.
Size does matter but, it's not the only thing that matters.











- Original Message - 









From: Judy Taylor










To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org










Sent: March 25, 2006
08:03









Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
Noah Webster



















Don't worry Lance, if the USA implodes - Canada and Europe will go with it - at present when the









US sneezes the rest of the world catch a
cold. Such envy and jealousy from the North ... Goodness gracious!





























From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Lance Muir
Most on TT will live to see the implosion of the USA.
At what point will you declare bankruptcy. You don't have the option of moving
out of your old house and into a new one.

















From: ShieldsFamily






































http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noah_Webster



















As a teacher, he
had come to dislike American elementary schools. They could be overcrowded,
with up to seventy children of all ages crammed into one-room schoolhouses, poorly staffed with
untrained teachers, and poorly equipped with no desks and unsatisfactory
textbooks which came from England. Webster thought that Americans should learn from
American books, so he began writing a three volume compendium, A Grammatical Institute of the English Language.
The work consisted of a speller (published in 1783), a grammar
(published in 1784),
and a reader (published in 1785). His goal was to provide a uniquely American,

Re: [TruthTalk] Izzy and Erin

It's good to see you, Iz. Good eyes! There's a real 
person in there.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  ShieldsFamily 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

  Sent: March 26, 2006 08:44
  Subject: [TruthTalk] Izzy and Erin

  With my beautiful stepdaughter, Erin, this week. 
  Izzy
  I sent 
  these photos using Adobe(R) Photoshop(R) Elements 4.0. Find out more: http://www.adobe.com/photoshopelementswin

Re: [TruthTalk] Invitation.

My goodness but it's striking. Many happy 
years.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  ShieldsFamily 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

  Sent: March 26, 2006 08:52
  Subject: [TruthTalk] Invitation.

  The new house. It has a dark green roof. Plenty of 
  bedrooms. Every one of you on TT (yes, even YOU, Gary!), come and visit us 
  anytime, PLEASE!!! Izzy
  I sent 
  these photos using Adobe(R) Photoshop(R) Elements 4.0. Find out more: http://www.adobe.com/photoshopelementswin

Re: [TruthTalk] Noah Webster




I spent some time at my mother's bedside reading, 
praying and talking. She has not opened her eyes.

thanks Iz,

Lance

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  ShieldsFamily 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: March 26, 2006 09:06
  Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Noah 
  Webster
  
  
  Amen, Lance! Hoping 
  all is well with you, izzy
  
  
  
  
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 8:06 
  AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Noah 
  Webster
  
  
  Or, take your Bible and point to 
  Him while saying 'HE IS THE WORD'.
  

- Original Message - 


From: ShieldsFamily 


To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 


Sent: March 
26, 2006 08:33

Subject: RE: 
[TruthTalk] Noah Webster


I love Crocodile 
Dundee because he says, with a glint in his eye, Now THIS is a 
knife! Life up your Bible and say, Now THIS is the Word! It cuts to 
the quick and separates the men from the boys! J 
iz





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganSent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 7:25 
AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Noah 
Webster


I think it's a "right back atcha" 
thing 



Is that so? 

Well, how do you like the fact that some American 
Company bought the rights to all those Paul Hogan movies?Judy Taylor 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

  
  I think it's a "right back atcha" 
  thing - for years I would go over there and hear much lamenting 
  about
  
  what Americans had bought; do you 
  know an American Company now owns the all 
  Australian
  
  delicious spread called 
  Vegemite?
  
  
  
  On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 23:45:33 -0800 (PST) Kevin 
  Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:
  

I've just learned 
that Australia 
is investing workers retirement funds in US Real 
Estate



They just bought the New York Thruway. Does that 
mean I need a passport, now?From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy 
TaylorThanks for this Kevin

  
  
  
  Proof of the 
  pudding is always in the 
  eating.
  
  
  I've just learned 
  that Australia 
  is investing workers retirement funds in US Real Estate 
  also
  
  
  So Lance and his 
  prophet don't have a whole lot of support from "down under" 
  either
  
  
  
  
  
  On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 09:20:31 -0800 (PST) Kevin 
  Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:
  


Lance says 
Canada will not 
suffer the same fate at the USA. 






Ah


Ah


 AH 
CHOO!





excuse 
me





348,000 New 
York jobs are 
supported by Canada-U.S. trade 



Total CanadaU.S. merchandise trade: $411 
billion 


CanadaU.S. trade supported 5.2 million 
U.S. 
jobs 


More people traveled between 
Canada and NY in 
2004 than any other U.S. 
state 


14,500,000 vehicles crossed the Canada-U.S. 
border at the four Niagara crossings last year, accounting for 34% 
of all traffic that crossed into Ontario 






ROTFL


With this many US Jobs gone, could CanaDUH 
rebound? 





http://www.2ontario.com/welcome/coca_401.asp


Seeing that a FULL 84% of CanaDUHs exports 
are US 


Calculator 
please


That leaves 16%, can CanaDUH's economy 
survive on 16% of its present 
exports?


Remember that the Total export/imports of 
canada 
represents a FULL 2/3rds of their 
GDP!

RE: [TruthTalk] Izzy and Erin









Whodathunkit???











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 8:09
AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Izzy and
Erin







It's good to see you, Iz. Good eyes! There's a real person
in there.







- Original Message - 





From: ShieldsFamily






To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org






Sent: March 26, 2006
08:44





Subject: [TruthTalk] Izzy
and Erin









With my beautiful stepdaughter, Erin, this week. Izzy

I sent
these photos using Adobe(R) Photoshop(R) Elements 4.0. Find out more: http://www.adobe.com/photoshopelementswin

RE: [TruthTalk] Invitation.









Thanks. Visit soon!











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 8:11
AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
Invitation.







My goodness but it's striking. Many happy years.







- Original Message - 





From: ShieldsFamily






To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org






Sent: March 26, 2006
08:52





Subject: [TruthTalk]
Invitation.









The new house. It has a dark green roof. Plenty of bedrooms. Every one
of you on TT (yes, even YOU, Gary!), come and visit us anytime, PLEASE!!! Izzy

I sent these
photos using Adobe(R) Photoshop(R) Elements 4.0. Find out more: http://www.adobe.com/photoshopelementswin

RE: [TruthTalk] Noah Webster









She is in Gods arms.  So glad she
has such a devoted son. iz











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 8:14
AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Noah
Webster







I spent some time at my mother's bedside reading, praying
and talking. She has not opened her eyes.











thanks Iz,











Lance







- Original Message - 





From: ShieldsFamily






To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org






Sent: March 26, 2006
09:06





Subject: RE: [TruthTalk]
Noah Webster









Amen, Lance! Hoping all is well with you,
izzy











From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 8:06
AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Noah
Webster







Or, take your Bible and point to Him while saying 'HE IS THE
WORD'.







- Original Message - 





From: ShieldsFamily






To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org






Sent: March 26, 2006
08:33





Subject: RE: [TruthTalk]
Noah Webster









I love Crocodile Dundee because he says,
with a glint in his eye, Now THIS is a knife! Life up your
Bible and say, Now THIS is the Word! It cuts to the quick and
separates the men from the boys! J iz











From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Kevin Deegan
Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 7:25
AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Noah
Webster







I think it's a right back
atcha thing 











Is that so? 





Well, how do you like the fact that some American Company bought the
rights to all those Paul Hogan movies?

Judy Taylor
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:







I think it's a right back
atcha thing - for years I would go over there and hear much lamenting
about





what Americans had bought; do you know
an American Company now owns the all Australian





delicious spread called Vegemite?











On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 23:45:33 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:







I've just learned that Australia
is investing workers retirement funds in US Real Estate











They just bought the New York Thruway. Does that mean I need a
passport, now?

From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor
Thanks for this
Kevin











Proof of the pudding is always in the
eating.









I've just learned that Australia
is investing workers retirement funds in US Real Estate also









So Lance and his prophet don't have a
whole lot of support from down under either



















On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 09:20:31 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:











Lance says Canada will not suffer the
same fate at the USA. 



















Ah









Ah









 AH CHOO!



















excuse me



















348,000 New York jobs are
supported by Canada-U.S. trade 









Total CanadaU.S. merchandise trade: $411 billion 









CanadaU.S. trade supported 5.2 million U.S.
jobs 









More people traveled between Canada and NY in 2004 than
any other U.S.
state 









14,500,000 vehicles crossed the Canada-U.S. border at the four Niagara
crossings last year, accounting for 34% of all traffic that crossed into Ontario




















ROTFL









With this many US Jobs gone, could CanaDUH rebound? 



















http://www.2ontario.com/welcome/coca_401.asp









Seeing that a FULL 84% of CanaDUHs exports are US 









Calculator please









That leaves 16%, can CanaDUH's economy survive on 16% of its present
exports?









Remember that the Total export/imports of canada
represents a FULL 2/3rds of their GDP!









SIZE does matter!



















Thanks for the add'l example of mindless parroting.









Don't you just HATE Ignorance?









I guess it is better than letting it go to waste.










Lance Muir
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:











The 'prophet' (take note, David) said otherwise in November.
Canada
will not suffer the same fate at the USA.
Size does matter but, it's not the only thing that matters.











- Original Message - 









From: Judy Taylor










To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org










Sent: March 25, 2006
08:03









Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
Noah Webster



















Don't worry Lance, if the USA implodes - Canada and Europe will go with it - at present when the









US sneezes the rest of the world catch a
cold. Such envy and jealousy from the North ... Goodness gracious!





























From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Lance Muir
Most on TT will live to see the implosion of the USA.
At what point will you declare bankruptcy. You don't have the option of moving
out of your old house and into a new one.

















From: ShieldsFamily






































http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noah_Webster



















As a teacher, he
had come to dislike

Re: [TruthTalk] Truth and Freedom (some food for thought)




Of course they did - the two that made it that is 
(Joshua and Caleb) since they didn't return with an (evil) carnal 
report
along withall of the following generation who 
beganwith a fresh copy book.

On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 13:39:33 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Good post -- as far as it goes. What you leave 
  out is this: they never fully arrived !!! God remained 
  patient. Kinda like it is right now. 
  
  jd
  
  From: 
Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Truth and freedom go hand in hand, but 
truth will produce freedom only as it is walked in. This ought to be 
self-evident. We can know something is true, but if we fail to walk in it, 
what good is it? Its value to us is worthless unless it is walked 
in.
Freedom and truth come to those who press 
on. Freedom, the kind of freedom that God is involved in bringing us into, 
comes progressively, not all at once. These are lessons from the Days of 
Unleavened Bread. It took the Israelites seven days to get to and across the 
Red Sea. It took them another forty years to get into their own land, into 
their inheritance, the Promised Land.
Their freedom was progressive. There was a 
time when it began, but if they had never continued on the way, they would 
never have had their own land, never have had their inheritance, never have 
been free. 
This is a large part of the object lesson: 
We have to continue. If we continue, then we will truly be a disciple. We 
will understand the truth, and the truth will make usfree. The truth 
of God shows us the real values of life because it shows us what we are to 
give our life to.

Re: [TruthTalk] Izzy and Erin




Loved all of your photos Iz,
Beautifulfamily, lovely pets, gracious 
home. How about all those garages; I know that comes in 
handy.

  
  

From: ShieldsFamily 


To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 


Sent: March 
26, 2006 08:44

Subject: 
[TruthTalk] Izzy and Erin


With my beautiful stepdaughter, Erin, this week. 
Izzy
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Re: [TruthTalk] Noah Webster




I can empathize with you Lance, it was not that long 
ago for me. I do hope and pray she will
pull through so you can share some more days with 
her. Any official prognosis yet? jt

On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 09:14:08 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  I spent some time at my mother's bedside reading, 
  praying and talking. She has not opened her eyes.
  
  thanks Iz,
  
  Lance
  
From: ShieldsFamily 


Amen, Lance! Hoping 
all is well with you, izzy





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 8:06 
AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Noah 
Webster


Or, take your Bible and point to 
Him while saying 'HE IS THE WORD'.

  
  - Original Message - 
  
  
  From: ShieldsFamily 
  
  
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  
  Sent: March 
  26, 2006 08:33
  
  Subject: RE: 
  [TruthTalk] Noah Webster
  
  
  I love Crocodile 
  Dundee because he says, with a glint in his eye, Now THIS is a 
  knife! Life up your Bible and say, Now THIS is the Word! It cuts 
  to the quick and separates the men from the boys! J 
  iz
  
  
  
  
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganSent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 7:25 
  AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Noah 
  Webster
  
  
  I think it's a "right back atcha" 
  thing 
  
  
  
  Is that so? 
  
  Well, how do you like the fact that some American 
  Company bought the rights to all those Paul Hogan 
  movies?Judy Taylor 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  

I think it's a 
"right back atcha" thing - for years I would go over there and hear much 
lamenting about

what Americans had 
bought; do you know an American Company now owns the all 
Australian

delicious spread 
called Vegemite?



On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 23:45:33 -0800 (PST) Kevin 
Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  
  I've just learned 
  that Australia 
  is investing workers retirement funds in US Real 
  Estate
  
  
  
  They just bought the New York Thruway. Does 
  that mean I need a passport, now?From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy 
  TaylorThanks for this Kevin
  



Proof of the 
pudding is always in the 
eating.


I've just 
learned that Australia 
is investing workers retirement funds in US Real Estate 
also


So Lance and 
his prophet don't have a whole lot of support from "down under" 
either





On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 09:20:31 -0800 (PST) 
Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  
  
  Lance says 
  Canada will not 
  suffer the same fate at the USA. 
  
  
  
  
  
  
  Ah
  
  
  Ah
  
  
   AH 
  CHOO!
  
  
  
  
  
  excuse 
  me
  
  
  
  
  
  348,000 New 
  York jobs are 
  supported by Canada-U.S. trade 
  
  
  
  Total CanadaU.S. merchandise trade: $411 
  billion 
  
  
  CanadaU.S. trade supported 5.2 million 
  U.S. 
  jobs 
  
  
  More people traveled between 
  Canada and NY 
  in 2004 than any other U.S. 
  state 
  
  
  14,500,000 vehicles crossed the 
  Canada-U.S. border at the four Niagara crossings last year, 
  accounting for 34% of all traffic that crossed into Ontario 
  
  
  
  
  
  
  ROTFL
  
  
  With this many US Jobs gone, could CanaDUH 
  rebound?

RE: [TruthTalk] Izzy and Erin









After living in the city with NO garage
for five years I had a severe case of garage envy! Thanks. BTW,
my eyeballs were a bit red, having stayed up till 3:00 a.m. with Erin the night before. They returned to Colorado yesterday, and
tonight we are having eight couples from our church small group over
for pizza and to watch Tender Mercies with Robert Duval. (The
house is a wreck after playing with teenagers for a weekmust get busy!) izzy











From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Judy Taylor
Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 8:33
AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Izzy and
Erin







Loved all of your photos Iz,





Beautifulfamily, lovely pets,
gracious home. How about all those garages; I know that comes in handy.









From: ShieldsFamily






To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org






Sent: March 26, 2006
08:44





Subject: [TruthTalk] Izzy
and Erin









With my beautiful stepdaughter, Erin, this week. Izzy

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Re: [TruthTalk] Izzy and Erin

Iz:He won a much deserved oscar for his performance
in 'Tender Mercies'. I wish you all a wonderful evening. Lance

- Original Message -
From:
ShieldsFamily
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Sent: March 26, 2006 09:49
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Izzy and
Erin

After living in the
city with NO garage for five years I had a severe case of garage envy!
Thanks. BTW, my eyeballs were a bit red, having stayed up till 3:00 a.m. with
Erin the night before. They returned to
Colorado
yesterday, and tonight we are having eight couples from our church small
group over for pizza and to watch Tender Mercies with Robert Duval.
(The house is a wreck after playing with teenagers for a weekmust get
busy!) izzy

From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Judy
TaylorSent: Sunday, March
26, 2006 8:33 AMTo:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Izzy and
Erin

Loved all of your photos
Iz,

Beautifulfamily, lovely pets,
gracious home. How about all those garages; I know that comes in
handy.

From: ShieldsFamily

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Sent: March
26, 2006 08:44

Subject:
[TruthTalk] Izzy and Erin

With my beautiful stepdaughter, Erin, this week.
Izzy
I
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[TruthTalk] America 100 years ago vs today.


 
 Those were the days! 
  
  
  THE YEAR 1905 
  This will boggle your mind, I know it did mine! 
  The year is 1905. 
  One hundred years ago. 
  What a difference a century makes! 
  
  
  Here are some of the U.S. statistics for the Year 1905 : 
  
  The average life expectancy in the U.S. was 47 years. 
  
  Only 14 percent of the homes in the U.S. had a bathtub. 
  
  Only 8 percent of the homes had a telephone. 
  
  A three-minute call from Denver to New York City cost eleven dollars. 
  
  There were only 8,000 cars in the U.S., and only 144 miles of paved 
 roads. 
  
  The maximum speed limit in most cities was 10 mph. 
  
  Alabama, Mississippi, Iowa, and Tennessee were each more heavily 
 populated than California. 
  
  With a mere 1.4 million people, California was only the 21st most 
 populous state in the Union. 
  
  The tallest structure in the world was the Eiffel Tower! 
  
  The average wage in the U.S. was 22 cents per hour. 
  
  The average U.S. worker made between $200 and $400 per year .. 
  
  A competent accountant could expect to earn $2000 per year, 
  
  
  a dentist $2,500 per year, 
  
  a veterinarian between $1,500 and $4,000 per year, and 
  
  a mechanical engineer about $5,000 per year. 
  
  More than 95 percent of all births in the U.S. took place at home .. 
  
  Ninety percent of all U.S. doctors had no college education. 
  
  Instead, they attended so-called medical schools, many of which were 
 condemned in the press and by the government as substandard. 
  
  Sugar cost four cents a pound. 
  
  Eggs were fourteen cents a dozen. 
  
  Coffee was fifteen cents a pound. 
  
  Most women only washed their hair once a month, and used borax or egg 
 yolks for shampoo. 
  
  Canada passed a law that prohibited poor people from entering into 
 their country for any reason. 
  
  Five leading causes of death in the U.S. were: 
  1. Pneumonia and influenza 
  
  2. Tuberculosis 
  3. Diarrhea 
  
  4. Heart disease 
  
  5. Stroke 
  
  The American flag had 45 stars. 
  
  Arizona, Oklahoma, New Mexico, Hawaii, and Alaska hadn't been admitted 
 to the Union yet. 
  
  The population of Las Vegas, Nevada, was only 30!!! 
  
  Crossword puzzles, canned beer, and ice tea hadn't been invented yet. 
  
  There was no Mother's Day or Father's Day. 
  
  Two out of every 10 U.S. adults couldn't read or write. 
  
  Only 6 percent of all Americans had graduated from high school. 
  
  Marijuana, heroin, and morphine were all available over the counter at 
 the local corner drugstores. 
  Back then pharmacist said, Heroin clears the complexion, gives 
 buoyancy to the mind, regulates the stomach and bowels, and is, in fact,
a 
 perfect guardian of health. (Shocking!) 
  
  Eighteen percent of households in the U.S. had at least one full-time 
 servant or domestic help. 
  
  There were about 230 reported murders in the entire U.S. 
  
  And I forwarded this from someone else without typing it myself, and 
 sent it to you in a matter of seconds! 
  Try to imagine what it may be like in another 100 years. 
  
  It staggers the mind.



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Re: [TruthTalk] Mentoring


maybe God is trying to tell you something, Kevin. The "x" in the box is probably not what you had in mind. 

jd

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Re: [TruthTalk] Noah Webster


I trust you know that many are in prayer for you and yours. 

John

-- Original message -- From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 







I do know that with a thankful heart, Iz. Lance

- Original Message - 
From: ShieldsFamily 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: March 26, 2006 10:11
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Noah Webster


I must take a moment to copy some comforting words that I was reading this week to Erin from The Spiritual World by Sadhu Sundar Singh:

One day while I was praying alone, I suddenly found myself surrounded by a great concourse of spirit beings, or I might say that as soon as my spiritual eyes were opened I found myself bowed in the presence of a considerable company of saints and angels. At first I was somewhat abashed, when I saw their bright and glorious state and compared with them my own inferior quality. But I was at once put at ease by their real sympathy and love-inspired friendliness. I had already had the experience of the peace of the presence of God in my life, but the fellowship with these saints added a new and wonderful joy to me. As we conversed together I received from them answers to my questions relating to my difficulties about many problems that puzzled me. My first inquiry was about what happens at the time of dying and about the state of the soul after death. To this (question) 
they answered, Death is like sleep. There is no pain in the passing over, usually. As an exhausted man is overcome by deep sleep, so comes the sleep of death to man. Death comes so suddenly to many, that it is only with great difficulty that they realize that they have left the material world and entered this world of spirits. Bewildered by the many new and beautiful things that they see around them, they imagine that they are visiting some country or city of the physical world, which they have not seen before. It is only when they have been more fully instructed, and realize that their spiritual body is different from their former material body, that they allow that they have, in fact, been transferred from the material world to the realm of spirits..Usually at the time of death the body gradually loses its power of feeling. It has no pain, but is simply overcome by a sense of drowsiness.
 Evil spirits can injure only those in the world who are in like nature to themselves, and then they can do it only to a limited extent. They can, indeed, trouble the righteous, but not without Gods permission. God sometimes does give to satan and his angels permission to tempt and persecute His people, that they may emerge from the trial stronger and better, as when He allowed satan to persecute His servant Job. But from such a trial there is gain rather than loss to the believer. The dying of a believer is frequently the opposite of what happens with an unbeliever. He is often extremely happy, for he sees angels and saintly spirits coming to welcome him. Then, too, his loved ones, who have died before, are permitted to attend his deathbed and to conduct his soul to the spiritual world. On entering the world of spirits he at once feels at
 home, for not only are his friends about him, but while in the world he had long been preparing himself for this Home by his trust in God and fellowship with Him.
 Another saint said, To conduct the souls of men from the world is the work of angels. Usually the Christ reveals Himself in the spiritual world to each one in degrees of glory differing in intensity according to the state of each souls spiritual development. But in some cases He Himself comes to a deathbed to welcome His servant, and in love dries his tears, and leads him into Paradise. As a child born into the world finds everything provided for its wants, so does the soul, on entering the spiritual world, find all its wants supplied.

Lance, you know we are all praying for a peaceful passing for your dear Mother. Izzy





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 8:46 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Noah Webster


I do recall that it was not long ago for you, Judy. The prognosis is that she will not pull through. We've left DNR instructions but continue to pray.



thanks,



Lance


- Original Message - 

From: Judy Taylor 

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

Sent: March 26, 2006 09:34

Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Noah Webster



I can empathize with you Lance, it was not that long ago for me. I do hope and pray she will

pull through so you can share some more days with her. Any official prognosis yet? jt



On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 09:14:08 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


I spent some time at my mother's bedside reading, praying and talking. She has not opened her eyes.



thanks Iz,



Lance


From: ShieldsFamily 


Amen, Lance! Hoping all is well with you, izzy





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On

Re: [TruthTalk] Mentoring

You Mentor but have No one that you have mentored.   Impressive.  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:maybe God is trying to tell you something, Kevin. The "x" in the box is probably not what you had in mind. jd-- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]   Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using
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Re: [TruthTalk] Rare and beautiful

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Re: [TruthTalk] Mentoring


Christ's mentoring is what made the 12 apostles the force they were. Let's see-- that's 12 divided by three (years) and a 100 years later , they tell me there was somewhere around 6 million Christians. But make fun of it if you will. 

Part of mentoring (read:discipleship) is the giving up of self. It is the carnal mind that makes a game out of sharing the gospel and comparing "success" landmarks.
It is Christ's example that really matters, here -- not mine nor yours. 

the comparisons have been made. You ignored them then -- you would do soagain if agreed to play this very immature game. What shall we call this game? "My Sword is bigger than yours?" If we are to pray in our closets -- surely our ministries are not for the purpose of attracting attention to self. I will pray that you move away from self as you continue doing what every you do "for the Lord." After all -- the head count belongs to the Lord for He is the one who adds to His assemblage. 

jd

-- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
You Mentor but have No one that you have mentored. 
Impressive.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

maybe God is trying to tell you something, Kevin. The "x" in the box is probably not what you had in mind. 

jd

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Re: [TruthTalk] Piece

Found this on a Anarchist site. They are for "piece" so were in the Peace march Oct 2005,but they attacked us with sticks. Thiswas before they escalated.  PS 120:7 I am for peace: but when I speak, they are for war  Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice.   Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice.
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Re: [TruthTalk] Mentoring

This, of course, is not the truth. You already know what I do. Now, because your memory is no longer than your brain stem means nothing to me. You ask only to cause trouble. But go tothe archives and look it up.

The bean count still belongs to the Lord.
jd

-- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I only compare because we all know you do nothing.
That is why you can't say anything.No one is trying to draw attention to themselves just trying to draw attention to one who talks a big talk then when called on it backs down because that is what it is JUST TALK.
0[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Christ's mentoring is what made the 12 apostles the force they were. Let's see-- that's 12 divided by three (years) and a 100 years later , they tell me there was somewhere around 6 million Christians. But make fun of it if you will.

Part of mentoring (read:discipleship) is the giving up of self. It is the carnal mind that makes a game out of sharing the gospel and comparing "success" landmarks.
It is Christ's example that really matters, here -- not mine nor yours.

the comparisons have been made. You ignored them then -- you would do soagain if agreed to play this very immature game. What shall we call this game? "My Sword is bigger than yours?" If we are to pray in our closets -- surely our ministries are not for the purpose of attracting attention to self. I will pray that you move away from self as you continue doing what every you do "for the Lord." After all -- the head count belongs to the Lord for He is the one who adds to His assemblage.

-- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
You Mentor but have No one that you have mentored.
Impressive.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

maybe God is trying to tell you something, Kevin. The "x" in the box is probably not what you had in mind.

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Re: [TruthTalk] Saying Goodbye

2006-03-26 Thread David Miller

I've been very busy over the weekend and not had time to check email.  I had 
hoped people would use the time to say their goodbyes, but I see many chose 
to keep their dialogue going.

As I had mentioned, I hoped to send some impressions about TruthTalk 
members.  So, I begin now.

One of the TruthTalk members who I have appreciated the most is Dave Hansen. 
Why?  Well, most of my interaction with Mormons over the years has been 
rather superficial.  Virtually anytime I have gotten into discussions on a 
substantial level in person with Mormons, the door to future dialogue has 
closed after a few meetings.  I know Kevin indicates having a greater 
success in this area, and I don't know why the difference, but most of my 
doors always close down.  With DaveH on TruthTalk, I have been able to 
explore more about Joseph Smith and the teachings of Mormonism more than 
just about anywhere else.  Blaine has also contributed, as well as a few 
others, including Dave's nephew.  The bottom-line is that my knowledge and 
understanding of his religion is much greater now than it was before 
TruthTalk.  I realize that there will be some TruthTalk members who think 
that all such knowledge is vain and that it might be foolish for me to spend 
time learning it.  I don't see it that way.  The reasons it is beneficial 
are too numerous for me to enumerate right now, so I will at this time 
simply say thank you to our Mormon participants on TruthTalk.  Although I am 
probably more contrary to the religious establishment of Mormonism than I 
have ever been before, I have appreciated the opportunity to hear your 
perspective and engage you in dialogue.  As I have explained in the past, 
the biggest smoking gun for me in regards to your religion is the Book of 
Abraham and the manuscripts we have which Joseph Smith claimed to translate. 
Another big issue for me is the polygamy of Joseph Smith and the fragmented 
nature of Mormonism after Joseph Smith's departure.

Thank you Dave for many years of dialogue and for the several books you have 
sent me in the past.  I will not forget you.  I will continue to pray for 
you.  Surely you are ingrained in your religion and your relationships in 
your religion will likely keep you there, but I will continue to pray that 
the Lord open your eyes to the true nature of his church.

David Miller


- Original Message - 
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To: TruthTalk TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 11:34 AM
Subject: [TruthTalk] Saying Goodbye


Well, it is Friday.  Time to say our goodbyes.

I will leave the list up through the weekend to give time for lurkers to
catch up and perhaps make their final post.  Please bring the other
conversations to a close and focus on saying your final farewells.  I will
start with this one, but I plan to send some more posts where I talk about
past members of TruthTalk and some of my impressions, for good or for bad.
In this post, I want to talk about TruthTalk in general.

In my opinion, much of the difficulty of TruthTalk these last several years
has been related to a problem described by the proverb, FAMILIARITY BREEDS
CONTEMPT.  I have seen this same phenomena in home churches too.  When a
small group of people become so thoroughly familiar with each other that
much of what others would say become somewhat predictable, people become
more free to speak their mind and tend to focus more upon faults than
strengths in the other person.  Marriages often illustrate this same
difficulty.  The time frame for this seems to start at around 4 years, and
within 10 years, it becomes rather entrenched.  Those groups that tend to be
focused upon itself exhibit more of this tendency than groups that tend to
reach out and pull in fresh people.

On TruthTalk, there was a time when that polarizing of groups became rather
noticeable.  There came to be the liberals versus the conservatives, which
eventually turned into the liberals versus the fundamentalists.  When this
first came to light, I questioned the group whether we should encourage this
kind of sectarian dialogue.  Several on the list thought it was natural
human nature and fine not only to allow it but encourage it.  Interestingly,
some of those most outspoken for this perspective are no longer on the list.
My personal judgment in hindsight is that any kind of sectarianism like this
is counter productive for good discussion.  What happens is that people
speak more from bias and emotion rather than engage in a teamwork of
discovery.  People tended to work harder on putting the other side in their
place rather than trying to hear whether or not there was even a grain of
truth in what was being said.

Overall, I have appreciated TruthTalk very much.  It has been a source of
motivation for me to study issues that I might otherwise have left
untouched.  My heart has been warmed by many who have posted here, and my
mind has been enriched with a diversity of viewpoints to consider

Re: [TruthTalk] Saying Goodbye

2006-03-26 Thread David Miller

Continuing with my farewell impressions...

Although Bill Taylor only recently came onto TruthTalk and our interaction 
was rather limited,  I have to say that much of his discussions with me have 
left an impact.  While his mindset of the Incarnation and how that impacts 
evangelism is very different from my own, I see the grain of truth in his 
thinking and have incorporated elements of it in how I approach evangelism. 
I realize that saying this may be incomprehensible to some on TruthTalk, 
maybe even raise red flags of alarm, but it is very true nonetheless.  Jesus 
did indeed die for the sins of the whole world, and part of our message to 
others is what are they doing about that fact.  What is their response?

Some other ways that I have appreciated Bill is simply observing his 
theological training and manner of communicating.  Some names dropped by him 
and others like Lance Muir also have blessed me in directing me toward 
further reading and study along theological lines.  While some on TruthTalk 
question the value of such, I consider it all part of our culture and an 
area of formal training that I have lacked. Therefore, I have appreciated 
Lance and Bill in bringing to the table names and works in a framework with 
which I have been unfamiliar.

Lance too has effected me positively in several ways.  We approach truth 
differently.  Lance takes a much more holisitic approach and is altogether 
people oriented.  His criticism of my reductionism and orientation toward 
dictum has not gone unnoticed.  It has heightened some of my appreciation 
for the Biblical approach to the person of Jesus Christ.  After all, the 
entire gospel is centered more on the person of Christ than it is his 
teaching and sayings.  This is not to say that I have forsaken the teaching 
of Christ altogether, but rather that I have appreciated aspects of Lance 
which bring attention back toward the person of Christ and even each other 
as people.  Lance sees truth through people more than through expressions 
and teaching.  I have learned to appreciate that about him, and to recognize 
its Biblical nature.  I only wish we had more time to explore it on 
TruthTalk in a way that would have been mutually edifying.

Lance also brought me into touch with Debbie.  Although my interaction with 
Debbie has been rather limited, I have appreciated her writing ability and 
feel blessed to have been touched by her life.  Debbie at times is able to 
hear and see past her own mindset, and other times she is able to forcefully 
articulate a viewpoint that can be quite convincing.  Like Lance, she 
appreciates the personal over the wrangling of words, and that is refreshing 
and brings a different focus at times when such is needed.

I had hoped to finish my impressions by this weekend, but too much has been 
going on.  Last night we held a Strings Concert here at my home where all 
five of my children performed.  More than 80 people attended.  Then today we 
had church here at my home late into the evening.  One of the students at UF 
has taken up preaching now too... great praise report...  he preached for 
the first time last Friday and plans to continue carrying that torch every 
Friday.  He has drawn many other students in this move of God that is 
happening at the University of Florida.  We had praise reports of two people 
healed of cancer this week at church... lots of things happening.  So, 
please forbear with me if I extend TruthTalk yet another day so I can finish 
saying my goodbyes.  I guesss there is not much I can say to get everyone to 
stop posting dialogue and to say their goodbyes, so I will finish mine as 
soon as I can and then take down the list.  God bless you all.  My prayers 
are with you Lance and your mother during this time.  Please let us know if 
she was a believer in Jesus Christ.  Thanks.

David Miller 

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[TruthTalk] Saying Goodbye