Re: [TruthTalk] Ministry at University of Florida
DONE. I would appreciate prayers for my daughter Christine at the University of Florida. She is under a great deal of persecution there. Last week Christine was urged by a Senator to come speak to the Student Government Senate meeting, and so she went and spoke, asking, questioning, whether the Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgendered (LGBT) Affairs office of the University was the right thing. Since then, three newspaper articles have come out maligning her and saying all kinds of falsehood...
Re: [TruthTalk] Happy Kwanza?
...In conclusion, I hope this little cultural and history lesson helps you see the light about Kwanzaa. It's being taught to your kids in your government schools. It's become a commercial bonanza in black communities through the United States. And, now, even the president of the United States is praising it as a legitimate holiday Only in Los Angeles. Last night we had the annual Hollywood Christmas parade with last Tuesday the American Music Awards in downtown Los Angeles both were great hits with celebrities, music personality and their followers getting an ear full. Last night in Hollywood we split up into two groups to cover the whole event with banners and mega horns. Group one walked the 3.2 mile parade route and preached to the many thousands of people along Hollywood and Sunset boulevards, while group two stayed at the end of the route and preached to the actors and those in the parade. For over 20 years Ive always been group two which consisted this year of four people. We stood on the sidewalk and preached to those in the parade and even dialoging with many as they passed by. Our Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa was the first elected official to be the Grand Marshall of the Christmas Parade's 74 year history, this is the title for movie or television stars only. The mayor was walking and shaking hands with the cheering crowds as he walk right next to me. I took the opportunity and reproved him on keeping the cross on the Los Angeles seal and not to bend over to the ACLU, to which he looked at me saying, I will and thank you then after a brief exchange of words he was gone. Awarded for, the biggest Amen was a 3 way tie this year: Dick Van Patten, Tyler Hilton and Tony Orlando gave us a two handed thumps up and confessed Jesus as the Christ. And for the bad attitude award: Kathy Griffin for flipping us off in public and calling us haters and a few other choice words, those standing around with children were shocked at her manifestation. The message preached to her was the same simple message preached to all Keep Jesus in CHRISTmas and God knows if you been good or bad, so be good for heavens sake and for that we get the middle finger and are hateful? The celebrities were out in public at the Entertainment Capital of the World and one at a time they were preached a personal message that a savior was born. Now group one followed Santa Claus which was the last float, but unfortunately for him and his red nose reindeer his 18-foot-high, 62-foot-long float broke down only after about five blocks from the start. So the parade was paused until they put Santa on a big fire truck for the rest of the route. Well, that only provoked group one to mock Santa as they preached to the route walking on the street. Now one can argue that the Son of God was not born in December, but rather than trying to make the date the issue, we make Jesus the issue. It is good as a nation, as a people to set one day aside to honor the birth of the Christ, be it in June or February and any real atheist that works for the government or gets extra days off due to CHRISTmas should refuse and go to work without pay. So with that, we do remind people all this month that JESUS is the reason for the season, with JESUS as the gift of God to mankind and it is not happy holidays or season greetings but Merry CHRISTmas. From the WATCHTOWER: Ruben Israel http://www.officialstreetpreachers.com/
[TruthTalk] Bro Moore******
cd: Saturday sounds good what time do you arrive in Atlanta bro-as I can pick you up? Or if you prefer I will call but AM here is early there:-) I will arrive in Atlanta Friday morning and from what I understand brother Dick will have a limo there to drive me to the Church...every thing is first class with the Atlanta chapter. I will be in town from Friday till Monday morning as one of about six guess speakers at this open-air convention all weekend. I spoke with David Miller tonight and he might be there for one day, also Rod will join me and will be there tomorrow. Drive into the Atlanta area Saturday morning and maybe stay for the whole day but call my cell phone (same number I had for years) and I will guide you in or I can meet you at the local Mormon temple waving their underwear? Ruben Israel -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
[TruthTalk] Deanl******
Dean the game Ruben Dean Game day is Saturday and I believe it will be a noon start at Sanford Stadium in Athens GA. Now there is a Sunday game with the Falcons playing at the Georgia dome in Atlanta, but if your coming on Saturday, be in town early and we all can ride together, just give me a call on my call phone Sunday night or Saturday AM Ruben -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] Why I'm absent for awhile...
I wish I had time to explain in more detail right now what it is that is happening at the University of Florida that is causing me to crusade over there. Suffice it to say for now that last year they created a department within the Dean of Students called LGBT Affairs (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgendered Affairs).. David you might come to Atlanta this weekend and personally talk with Nate Kellum, he has defended others and might assist you with counsel or help you get someone in Florida. I heard about the arrest last week and may God bless you in that mess. http://www.officialstreetpreachers.com/Conference%202005.htm Ruben Israel -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
[TruthTalk] Wilma
David Miller hope you are making ready for Wilma? Next weekend I will be flying to Miami to link up with a new Bible Believer chapter out there, and then preach in the Keys at this event called fantasy fest which started this weekend but is now canceled as we plan on hitting the last weekend with mega parade. If interested contact me. Ruben Israel http://www.officialstreetpreachers.com/
Re: [TruthTalk] Happy Birthday
Happy 21st Birthday Izzy and I enjoy your sense of humor J Ruben Israel -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] news
http://news.search.yahoo.com/search/news?p=ruben+israel+&sm=Yahoo%21+Search&toggle=1&ei=UTF-8&c=news_photos Thanks brother Kevin: Preaching at the Jackson trail was like fishing in a bath tub as we had a captive crowd all day. We started by leaving my house at 4AM on Monday to ride up to Santa Maria and after we did a drive by and looked at the playing field we split into two groups. Todd (Miami) and Robert (Washington) preached the front of the court house and early enough to have the ladder in a good location, while Rod and I (both from Los Angeles) waited for the jury to drive into the rear of the courthouse. My reconnaissance information was good and just like clock work the jury came by us in two white unmarked vans with police escort at 8:10AM. So after completing phase one of tamper with the jury (warning them) we joined Todd and Robert that were already preaching to the assembly. The Jackson-dolaters were coming and the media was everywhere. I began to point out that Jackson was a pervert and who would allow a 45 year old man to sleep with little boys that were not his? One by one I picked on the Jackson supporters pointing out that he had paid someone 20 million dollars to hush up for what? Things got heated when someone from the Muslim community was speaking to the media and we preached him quiet and after a few minutes he turned to face me, so the police rushed in and pulled us apart. The last thing I said to him was what do you care about Michael the pervert .oh yeah .I forgot .Mohammad was a pervert too he married a little girl, you have much in common. With the crowd going nuts and what might have looked like a riot ready to happen the police decided to pull the plug. I was arrested before 10AM in front of the Santa Maria courthouse. After the police checked my stuff, padded me down and ran my name though the computer, I was uncuffed and the police began to shake my hand and thank me for being there. They repeated some of the things I was saying to the crowd and laughed, all the while slapping me on my back. They were concerned how I could stir up the crowd and I volunteered to stay across the street if they would keep an eye on the three other preachers. So I stood across the street and watched. My phone was ringing continually and even had time to do a live Christian talk show as I watched and heard the brethren from across the street. We took a break and while waiting in the car, with the radio on, we heard the news that the jury had reached a verdict. The crowd around the courthouse grew bigger in one hour as the police began to get riot gear ready and the street was shut down. The crowd went nuts when Michael pulled in. And when the jury came with the verdict, the court house outside was very still and the mob roared each time the verdict was not guilty. After, they laughed, danced, mocked the Christians, threw confetti and had one big orgasm. So I wanted to go back to my house in the Los Angeles suburbs and get as many white neighbors to chant with fists in the air No justice, No peace and burn our houses down to make a statement. Then grab any black man driving a truck and beat him as we dance around with hands raised. Once our suburbs were burned good we would start looting stores for the cause, except of course those that are white owned. ONE PROBLEM! No one thinks like that where I live, so I guess I will just wait for the next time Michael Jackson rapes another boy and do I long for Judgment Day. From the WATCHTOWER: Ruben Israel.
[TruthTalk] Damaged Goods
You just never know who is going to email you these days. This documentary was filmed about two years ago regarding AIDS in Hollywood and my wife and I saw this film last year at the theater, funny to see yourself on the big screen. Just last week I spoke with the producer that filmed for HBO and soon that documentary on public preaching with be on cable too and the money to produce that film I was told is about half a million dollars. Let this be lesion for the younger preachers, do not force a preach video or book, because in Gods timing it will happen .BIG TIME! Anyway, today this was sent to me: Hello Ruben,Hope all is well. Just would like to let you know that Showtime Networks has picked up Damaged Goods for the next two years and it will start airing this month. We're excited about this and just want to pass the word on. Below are the airdates and times - great times! We could not have done this without your participation, thanks again.Take careNadia Buckmire FilmmakerDamaged GoodsDAMAGED GOODSRATING: TV14 - DSHOWTIME ADVISORIES: Adult ContentStereo / CC1 h 3 m SOURCE Showtime Networks Web Site:http://www.SHO.com SYNOPSIS:Documentary portrait of five individuals living with the stigma of HIV/AIDS, including interviews with medical authorities, prominent activists, and everyday Americans - whose knowledge of the truth about the virus is alarmingly incomplete.UPCOMING AIRDATES:Click on the airtime below if you would like an email reminder to watch. All times ET/PT.Showtime Jun 14 10:00 PM.Showtime Showcase Jun 17 4:00 PMShowtime Showcase Jun 20 8:00 PMShowtime Showcase Jun 20 4:50 AMShowtime Too Jun 27 9:00 PM
[TruthTalk] Old Glory...long may it wave
Kevin: USAF, I am classified as a Vietnam Era Vet Some things regarding Old Glory you might not have known, and so much for separation of Church and State. A) when Folding the American Flag 1. Bring the striped half up over the blue field. 2. Then fold it in half again. 3. Bring the lower striped corner to the upper edge forming a triangle. 4. Then fold the upper point in to form another triangle. Continueuntil the entire length of the flag is folded. 5. When you get near the end - nothing but the blue field showing -tuck the last bit into the other folds to secure it. When the flag is completely folded, the stars are uppermost, reminding us of our national motto, In God We Trust. After the flag is completely folded and tucked in, it takes on the appearance of a cocked hat, ever reminding us of the soldiers who served under General George Washington and the sailors and marines who served under Captain John Paul Jones who were followed by their comrades and shipmates in the Armed Forces of the United States, preserving for us the rights, privileges, and freedoms we enjoy today. B) Or the Meaning of the Folding the American Flag The flag folding ceremony represents the same religious principles on which our great country was originally founded.The portion of the flag denoting honor is the canton of blue containing the stars representing states our veterans served in uniform. The canton field of blue dresses from left to right and is inverted only when draped as a pall on the casket of a veteran who has served our country honorably in uniform.In the Armed Forces of the United States, at the ceremony of retreat, the flag is lowered, folded in a triangle fold and kept under watch throughout the night as a tribute to our nations honored dead. The next morning it is brought out and, at the ceremony of reveille, run aloft as a symbol of our belief in the resurrection of the body. The first fold of our flag is a symbol of life. The second fold is a symbol of our belief in the eternal life. The third fold is made in honor and remembrance of the veteran departing our ranks and who gave a portion of life for the defense of our country to attain peace throughout the world. The fourth fold represents our weaker nature; for as American citizens trusting in God, it is to Him weturn in times of peace as well as in times of war for His divine guidan The fifth fold is a tribute to our country, for in the words of Stephen Decatur, Our country, in dealingwith other countries, may she always be right, but it is still our country, right or wrong. The sixth fold is for where our hearts lie. It is with our heart that we pledge allegiance to the flag of theUnited States of America, and to the republic for which it stand, one nation under God, indivisible, withliberty and justice for all. The seventh fold is a tribute to our Armed Forces, for it is through the Armed Forces that we protect our country and our flag against all enemies, whether they be found within or without the boundaries of our republic. The eighth fold is a tribute to the one who entered into the valley of the shadow of death, that wemight see the light of day, and to honor our mother, for whom it flies on Mothers Day. The ninth fold is a tribute to womanhood, for it has been through their faith, love, loyalty and devotionthat the character of the men and women who have made this country great have been molded. The tenth fold is a tribute to father, for he, too, has given his sons and daughters for the defense ofour country since he or she was first born. The eleventh fold, in the eyes of Hebrew citizens, represents the lower portion of the seal of King David and King Solomon and glorifies, in their eyes, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. The twelfth fold, in the eyes of a Christian citizen, represents an emblem of eternity and glorifies, in their eyes, God the Father, the Son and Holy Ghost. C) Do you know how to Display the Flag 1. When the flag is displayed over the middle of the street, it should be suspended vertically with the union to the north in an east and west street or to the east in a north and south street. 2. The flag of the United States of America, when it is displayed with another flag against a wall from crossed staffs, should be on the right, the flag's own right and its staff should be in front of the staff of the other flag. 3. The flag, when flown at half-staff, should be first hoisted to the peak for an instant and then lowered to the half-staff position. The flag should be again raised to the peak before it is lowered for the day. By "half-staff" is meant lowering the flag to one-half the distance between the top and bottom of the staff. 4. When flags of States, cities, or localities, or pennants of societies are flown on the same halyar
[TruthTalk] Indy 500
Kevin give us a preach report on the Indy 500. Preaching That Cuts, here are a few sections taken from Catherines Booth (co-founder of the Salvation Army) final public address: On holiness: But supposing they do get pardoned from their past sins, they do not realize that Jesus has the power to deliver them from the sin reigning in their hearts; from their besetting sins; from that which constitutes their misery. Perhaps on no point has The Salvation Army suffered persecution more than on this one point of its teaching .that He not only washes their past sins away but has the power to keep them from their sins, and will, if they trust in Him, enable them to live in righteousness and holiness all their lives, walking in obedience to His commands, keeping that inner law of which we have just heard-the law of Christ-which is the most perfect law and fulfills all others-loving the Lord thy God with all the heart, mind, soul, and strength, and thy neighbor as thyself Even in a Christian land this is not known, and consequently, we have professing Christians the most ready of all to persecute us when we announce such a doctrine. On evangelism: A man who was sitting in his easy-chair, with his feet on an ottoman, said to me the other day: But the Lord will come presently and put all things right. I replied: I am afraid you are expecting the Lord to do what He has called us to do. The Lord does not say He will go and preach the Gospel to every creature; He says you are to go and do it. He does not say He is going to convert the world; He says you are going to do it ..How are you going to get them down from their tower of self-satisfaction, sin, and pleasure? Do you think they are coming down by you saying, Here, come along; hear me; let me preach to you. Come and be converted? Oh no! The Christian Church has been trying that game too long. The people are far to busy. They turn around and tell you so. They say, I am doing a great work; I cannot come to you. Listen to what Jesus Christ commissioned His disciples to do. Not to ensconce themselves in comfortable buildings and invite people to come, and then, if they would not come, leave them alone to be damned. No, no! He said: Go ye, which means, Go after them. Where, Lord? Into all the world. What to do? Preach the Gospel to every creature. On balanced preaching: You would think, if you heard some peoples representation of the truth of God, that it was all honey and soap; you would not think there was any cut in it any dividing asunder. You must preach Gods justice and vengeance against sin as well as His love for the sinner. You must preach Hell as well as Heaven. You must let your Gospel match the intuitions of humanity, or you may as well throw it into the sea, and thus save both trouble and money. A Gospel of love never matched anybodies souls. The great want in this day is truth that cuts; convicting truth; truth that convicts and convinces the sinner and pulls of the bandages from his eyes. The Lord knows the order in which His truth ought to be preached better than we do. Hence His commission to Paul, to go and open the eyes of sinners to their danger, and turn them round from the power of Satan unto God. This was to be done before they were converted. Oh! says someone, do not talk to them about Hell, death, and judgment; show them the love of Christ. But we always get wrong when we reverse Gods order. Tear the bandages off. Open their eyes, turn them round from the desire, the embrace and choice of evil to the embrace and choice of God. That they may receive forgiveness of sins. Tell them the truth; tell a man the truth about himself. Drive in the red-hot, convicting truth of God on to his conscience, and make him realize that he is a sinner. Never mind how he howls, even if he groans as loud as the Psalmist did when the pains of Hell got hold of him. Until he has been made to feel himself a sinner he will never make anything of a saint. Then give him the Gospel.
Re: [TruthTalk] [Fwd: daily devotional (Fri. 5-27-2005)Liveprayer.com]
Ruben, where will this convention be located? You show the meaning of the anointing upon otherwise normal human beings. Izzy Yes Izzy, we are just regular people here and besides my wife still tells me to take out the trash. The public preaching convention will be at the University of Missouri campus in Columbia, September 2-9 Topics Who Will Rise Up? How to draw a crowd.The Law before the Gospel (The Secret is Out!)ApologeticsDealing with the Authorities Your Rights to proclaim the Gospel in Public The Ministry and the Family Raising Support for Your Ministry Supporting Your Own Ministry Suffering for Christ The Wrath of God Conditional Love Dealing with Rejection from Without and Within Remaining Faithful to your Calling True Repentance Holiness
Re: [TruthTalk] [Fwd: daily devotional (Fri. 5-27-2005)Liveprayer.com]
I filled the pulpit a few times when churches were desperate, but I do not remember impressing anyone, including myself. I pray every day that He will figure out some way to use me, but it seems like I am destined for one on one stuff, especially with older, lonely, divorced men. I am not knocking that job. It needs doing and I get a sense of satisfaction from it, but I truly envy street preachers, sinful as that may be. Terry, do you realize that the type of person God uses is much like you (see Moses for details)? In my 25+ years of this public service, I have seen how the Father uses people like you. There is a older fellow in my Church that is a retired school teacher and went to Church all his life and now has been public preaching with me for over a year. His only regret is that he started preaching after 60 years of age. Believe it or not, I am a quiet guy? We had dinner once with a couple that thought I ate dinner with my wife while talking into a mega horn over the table. They just pictured this because every time they were with me, I was preaching into a bull horn at an event, or any videos or news clips they saw, I was holding a banner with one hand and a mega horn with another. When this couple told my wife and I this during dinner we laughed and even today we get a grin out of that. I am suspect when someone is the captain of the debate team and wants to street preach or sells used cars and wants to go out with me. Believe it or not, I do still get nervous Terry but what gaves me boldness is the much prayer before going out (thats all the behind the scene stuff.) For example, this weekend the J.W.ers will be having a convention and being memorial weekend, I will rebuke those ingrates for pounding their chest that no J.W.er ever went to war and living in America I find this appalling. We have freedoms and rights that soldiers have died for around the world and they take advantage of this on other mens blood. Other issues I will proclaim too (hellfire is real-144,000?-false prophecies of this Church-Jesus of the Bible). Again one of the men joining me out there is a Baptist Pastor, that is about 65 years old and has been public preaching for about 2 years now and man .the things he can say in public that he cannot behind the pulpit ..freedom. Understand this, one does not have to be a talker, to proclaim the gospel and I am a very quiet person (ask David Miller or my wife) .but put me in front of a large crowd and move out of my way. If anyone is interested, we will be having a public preaching convention during the Labor Day Weekend in Missouri and there you can really see what makes us tick. Ruben Israel
Re: [TruthTalk] [Fwd: daily devotional (Fri. 5-27-2005)Liveprayer.com]
Terry, there is a STREET PREACHER just waiting to come out.come out of the closet. This is what public preaching is all aboutdon"t stop now.let it flow..and don't just write uspreach it from the roof top. The Church of Anything Goes. I had an epiphany last night. I am tired ofhaving to pray every day for the finances of this ministry. I am tired ofpeople sending me nasty and hateful emails. I am tired of warning people ofGod's coming judgment. So I decided to start a new church. It will be THEbest church man has ever known. You will be able to come every Sunday andnever have to worry about feeling convicted because of the choices you aremaking. You will never have to hear about things like sin, service, orsacrifice. No, you just come each Sunday knowing that nobody will everjudge you or tell you how to live because you will be at...THE CHURCH OFANYTHING GOES!I'm going to start this new church in Tampa, Florida where I live. I wasthinking about a good place to meet and realized The Church of Anything Goesis going to be so popular we won't be able to hold services in a normalbuilding. So I'm going to call the Glazers who own the Tampa Bay Buccaneersand rent Raymond James Stadium on Sunday mornings. RJ holds about 70,000people and that may not even be large enough, since I have no doubt peoplewill be running to attend services at The Church of Anything Goes. Within ayear we will have branches of this new church in every city, town, andvillage in the U.S., and within two years, all over the world.In planning some outreaches for The Church of Anything Goes, I came up withthree right away. The first is an Adultery Pride Parade. I am so tired ofseeing people who are only being themselves and have to have sex outside oftheir marriage being told they are wrong. After all, everyone knows 99% ofthe people who are married commit adultery. Everyone knows that people areborn to have sex with multiple partners. I can't understand why people areso intolerant, so judgmental of others who aren't bothering them. Didn'tGod say, "be fruitful and multiply?" God created people to have sex so whyare people so upset with people who are married having sex with people whoaren't their spouse?Those who have sex outside of their marriage have been made to feel shamelong enough. It is time for them to "come out" and be proud of who theyare. Why should anyone be ashamed of being an adulterer? A parade is theperfect answer. Marching up and down the streets of America, proudlyproclaiming that, "I'm an adulterer!" Floats, balloons, marching bands, areal time to celebrate the joy of committing adultery. I can see thisparade being broadcast on TV just like the Rose Parade on New Years or theMacy's Thanksgiving Day Parade in New York City.The second outreach for the new Church of Anything Goes is going to bepolitical. I don't know about you, but I think it is a shame that in thisgreat country of such diversity, people who enjoy having sex with animalsare treated like second class citizens, denied their basic human rights,discriminated against. If you happen to love a pig and people at your jobfind out about it, you are most likely going to be terminated. If you tryto buy a new home for you and your chicken that are in a committedrelationship, chances are good that you will be denied. If your significantother happens to be a goat, they aren't going to be eligible for the samebenefits married couples receive. A man and his sheep should be able toadopt children! How dare states limit marriage to a man and a woman when awoman and her horse have every right to enjoy the happiness and fulfillmentand full legal benefits of marriage.No doubt one of the first outreaches of The Church of Anything Goes will beto help insure the legal rights of those men and women who by no fault oftheir own, were born to have sex with animals. In addition, we will startpublic awareness campaigns to help society be more tolerant. A good placeto start will be in the schools, educating children through clubs andcurriculum that there is nothing wrong with people who choose to have sexwith animals. That is simply who they are, and just because you have amother and father, some children have a dad and a goat.The third big outreach we will have each year is Swap Days at Disney. TheChurch of Anything Goes will be a very popular church among those who liketo trade wives and husbands. Swingers from all over the country can come toDisney one weekend a year and literally take over the facilities. They willbook all the hotels and of course no need to close any room doors duringSwap Days. They can go to the Magic Kingdom with their wife one day, visitthe Animal Kingdom with their friend's wife the next, go to Epcot the nextday with someone else's wife, the possibilities are endless. After all,even though Disney promotes itself as a "family friendly" theme park, we allknow that as long as a
Re: [TruthTalk] Preach report
We can talk about our experiences in the "Puppet ministry" Going to the Indy 500 Kevin?
Re: [TruthTalk] Preach report
..can we image having lunch or dinner in heaven with Elijah, Jeremiah or Ezekiel and hearing the stories of persecution, beatings, jail and death they did. Then they turn to us and say, Oh you were the ones we heard about that had all those rights to proclaim and even the centurions stood by to protect you, please tell us your stories, Im sure there is heaps What would we say? Terry: Ouch Ruben: Yes, God have mercy on us all, then we will understand mercy and grace? .
Re: [TruthTalk] Preach report
Mea culpa? LOL.GOOD ONE IZZY
Re: [TruthTalk] Preach report
Thank you, Brother Rubin! We are so happy that you were not imprisoned (as you would have been in Canada) for preaching the Truth! Izzy Yes, good point Izzy, not only do I thank God I do not live in Canada but I will try to take advantage of living here in America. We all understand to much is given that much will be required, so I wonder how much more our Father will judge us for having rights and freedoms to preach, pass out tracts, read from the Bible on the sidewalk? Christians living today will be persecuted, jailed or killed for such and might even consider USA a bit of heaven. One day those rights will be removed and will anyone really rise up then, when it will be costing you your life? We can argue free speech rights and laws for one month all day long, but who wants to do it where the rubber meets the road? Thats like arguing politics but never voting. I would rather talk freedoms and rights maybe one day and go out on the sidewalk the rest of the 29 days. Izzy, can we image having lunch or dinner in heaven with Elijah, Jeremiah or Ezekiel and hearing the stories of persecution, beatings, jail and death they did. Then they turn to us and say, Oh you were the ones we heard about that had all those rights to proclaim and even the centurions stood by to protect you, please tell us your stories, Im sure there is heaps What would we say?
[TruthTalk] Preach report
Regarding the new California hate crime laws against homosexuals, well as they say in sports, No harm, and no foul or as the scripture teaches, where sin abounds, grace abounds the more. Sunday was the first sodomite parade in California since our governor Arnold signed this law (effected 2005) but it was business as usual. For 22 years this event has pranced in Long Beach. With the Pacific Ocean behind us (as our back drop) and the sodomites parading in front of us, we were able to warn the masses, exhort the mayor and other political vote whores with banners and mega horns. We had four police officers around us and two parade monitors that stopped people from throwing objects at us and dropping their pants in front of us. This is the only parade where one could see little purple sexually transmitted diseases dancing to music carrying signs to wear protection, while they toss out condoms to the cheering crowd. To be filed under, Gods Will: I had brought an extra banner and so did another brother and when the preaching started this young man walked his wife over to us (she was blind) and stood behind the police barricades with us and wanted to hold banners and stand with us for God. They both held banners for about two hours and assisted to help us testify at this event. Another guy was walking home from work and noticed us, so he came by talking and stayed watching a witnessing to those around us. Once again the public preaching provoked many one on one conversations and our new guy that has been joining us since New Years Eve in Vegas, commented that never saw anything like this in his whole life. It is one thing to preach against sodomy, or to witness to a sodomite, but another it is another world to see how these people act when they have an event. Each group, car, float stopped in front of us to yell, flip us off, or do some kind of kiss in, so at the end of the day God Word was heralded on the streets. After the parade my wife picked us up (with no plates on our vehicle) as a Long Beach police car escorted us out a few blocks from the grid. On the way home I thought out loud to everyone, on how many of those sodomites that we preacher to 22 years ago at this event are still alive today? What do you think their message would be ..? (clue) see Luke 16:28. From the WATCHTOWER: Ruben Israel RIDDLE: Why do the sodomites march next to the ocean?Maybe to see a HUMP BACK wha
Re: [TruthTalk] Million dollar question from Christine
Thank you for your thoughts, Ruben. I guess you're right. I could be more laid-back about how gray the Lord keeps some of His issues. Is this a topic where it's best to let the person just be convicted by the Lord? What do you say to those drunks on Bourbon St. or the Homosexuals? (Especially since James 4's "Faith without works is a dead faith" is in an epistle, lol.) Ruben: Sorry for the delay, we had company and Jed stayed over so now I will respond. Yes Christine, if they claim to be saved, I exhort them of holiness. The lifestyle must match the faith, which of course they accuse us of believing salvation by works. Many of these lost souls have been told to repeat a sinners prayer and from that were told they were saved, sealed and forgiven for past, present and future sin. SIDEBAR: past (maybe), present (maybe) future (NO WAY!) that would be like a judge today telling a criminal before him that since he is sorry for his current crimes that he is pardoned for all crimes for the rest of his life. What judge in his right mind would do that? SIDEBAR OVER Is it not the shed blood that forgives us and the power of the Holy Ghost to help us overcome? If you pluck out your eye, chop off your fingers, cut off your ears, remove your nose, one can still entertain sin. So that is why we need a new heart, to be that new man or new creature. And as you used James, where those works will not save you but give tangible evidence of your repentance and belief. But as I said, everyone thinks they are saved, just preach in public. The most famous verse used besides John 3:16 is found in the Epistle of John These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life with this verse they look you in the eye and say see, I know I have eternal life. But ask them what THINGS did John write that you will KNOW and 9 out of 10 can not answer. Again, salvation is beyond feelings or head knowledge, we see this more than most and the Bible warns of God wiping away tears because loved ones that were expected will not make it and maybe others that we will be surprised. Unless you believe in the Mormon god, then all bets are off because someone will baptize you in the temple and save you so live and let live. Ruben
[TruthTalk] Musliums & Mormons
SoI am curious to know if you (when preaching to the Muslims) denigrate their Koran as you do to Mormons. Andif you do demean their religion, what is their reaction. From what I've heard, excepting a few relatively minor occurrences, LDS folks are somewhat placid and calm in the face of the SPers. But, do the Muslims you preach to get riled up when you denigrate their beliefs? Do you ever worry about any deaths happening because of the contention you're preaching might ignite? No DaveH not with me because I've been dead for over 25 years, so what can they do to me? Little pain, then I go home. Once again regarding others that riot, read the Book of Acts and see what really happens when men preach in cities publicly. the problem is not me, but the hate for the God of the Bible. I do not expect you do understand this DaveH, because I believe you have outgrown the Bible. Whereas I am speaking of tasting of this Book that you my know only in letter. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
[TruthTalk] Million dollar question from Christine
How do we know if someone is saved? I ask this sincerely. Christine, this is the million dollar question. If I had a nickel for everyone that told me that they were saved, I would be rich. Ive had drunks on Bourbon Street holding hands with two girls and a pocket full of condoms tell me Im saved or in 25 years of preaching sodomite parades around this country, they yelling they are saved. People can look you in the eye and tell you they are saved and live like the devil, with no remorse or repentance. I will you what I think .it is out of my jurisdiction. We can speculate all night but the bottom line is that will be Gods call. I know when to draw the line. Looking at fruit can be misleading, we can argue theology for a year and the bottom line is we really dont know for sure. My job is to warn, exhort and encourage everyone for that great Day and after that, it is out of my sphere. Sorry if the answer is not blank and white but I would be cautious on eternal matters as that. Warning, exhorting and encouraging someone on the wrong path, wave flags, hold the stop sign and yell if needed after they pass you thats the Fathers business. Hope this helps. Air support requested: This Sunday will be the sodomite parade in Long Beach as the police department and I have been on the phone regarding location and parking. What makes it one unique, is that this will be the first parade in California since Arnold passed the new Hate Law in the Golden State and as you know. However California or New York goes, go our nation. Our lawyers will be watching as the stage is set and ready for Sunday. We are more than willing to take on whatever comes our way (physical/jail/courts) and this could be coming to a town near you. From the Watchtower: Ruben Israel
[TruthTalk] Preaching opportunities:
Like I don't have enough to do, now I got to pencil Mick and the boyz in. Or when you thought it was safe to preach at rock concerts, the Rolling Stones are backagain. How many times must we preach at their last concert? Click here for dates and cities: http://www.iorr.org/tour05/ 1) These guys are so old, that the handicap parking must accommodate over 60,000 vehicles. These guys are so old, that they used to take drugs before the concert, and now their doctor recommends they take them during the concert too. 2) These guys are so old, that I think Ben Gay is sponsoring this one. 3) These guys are so old, that I believe Benny Hinn is joining them for a healing service in the stadium after the concert. 4) These guys are so old, that I think the "Gray Panthers" will be the event security. 5) These guys are so old, that instead of selling beer, the stadium will sell Milk of Magnesia. 6) These guys are so old, that lawyers recommended a 20 minute nap in between songs. 7) These guys are so old, that ambulances will drop off more people than limos. 8) These guys are so old, that Vegas is taking bets that one of the four will die before the tour hits Ohio. 9) These guys are so old, that if one or all die during the tour, who will notice? -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] Fond Farewells
DAVEH: Ruben, the news the past few days got me thinking about how some SPers preach. Do you guys attend any Muslim events (I don't even know if there are any in the USA)? Yes I have. A)during their holy days earlier this year (I forgot the name) we were at the Los Angles and Anaheim convention center, things were a bit hot as L.A.P.D. came in big and fast or as the book of Acts says "no small stir" B)in Michigan there is a Muslim event/fest with thousands to preach too and for some unknown reason Michigan is like a little Mecca. C)After preaching against the sodomite parade in Chicago (over 450,000 strong) I visited the black Muslim Louis Farrakhan university where a riot almost broke out. One police car just happen to pass by and made a u-turn and called for back up. This officer waited inside his car till about 6 other CPD showed up. The black mob started to walk away when the police made showed. D)Also at local meeting places where they come to pray All these events are preached with anti Muslim, pro Jesus (only begotten) pro Bible banners, why do you ask? -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Street Preaching (Christine)
That is something I hadn't noticed before. I will need to apply this on the streets. Do you have plans to come to UF anytime soon? :-) I have plans on Florida in late October in Miami, there is a sinful event out there that needs some attention. I am working on a new chapter of Bible Believers there and I believe one or two from Miami will be coming to Los Angeles next month to see how we preach in public and conduct our home meetings to take back. But if I do not come around the Tampa area, I know your father is out there and besides you are welcome to L.A. too. Ever been to California? . This is so true. Many Christians do not like to see disagreement, and beleive that in the midst of this disagreeing we are forcing Christ on them. However, I would say that if a person stopped in their tracks to engage in conversation, there is no forcing. Just because someone disagrees or finds your message unpleasant does not mean it is not of God. This reminds me of Gal. 1:10 -- For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ. There is advertisement everywhere, when someone sees a Dr. Pepper truck go by, do they get offended and only drink Coke? People disagree on everything, politics, sports, employment, but when it has to do with anything Biblical it is a turn off. There are verses in the book of Acts where Paul debated and persuaded the things concerning the kingdom of God. How can anyone read the gospels and not see this, Jesus said, they said, Jesus said, they said chapter after chapter. This is the wisdom of God. Offering someone a tract, they can always say no, but once a message in heard in the ears, who then can pled ignorance? Christian television and radio anyone can change channels, so God sends His words into the market place.
Re: [TruthTalk] Fond Farewells
Well folks, it's been mostly fun but I've gotta go. I'm spending too much time here and it's not good since I have to clean up my condo, put it on the market and move in a few short weeks. Things are just too busy. So I'll bid you all a fond farewell. Well since Caroline is off, I say toss the Mormons back on the HOT SEAT! Anyone for Bar-b-que Mormon, white meat only of course? -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Street Preaching (Christine)
I think it's important to ask ourselves here if we are ignoring the actual character of God because we just don't enjoy the paradox of His personality. If this is true, it would mean that we would be a more harmful witness than the SP's. Excellent point Christine, as the Bible teaches we are Ambassadors of Christ. Imagine if you will, that our ambassador said to a few nations, "if you do not give America everything we want according to our president we will nuke you in 24 hours." Suppose we had a Broken Arrow ambassador, that only spoke what he felt, what he wanted, what he thought? This person would be nothing more than a fraud, right?. To be an ambassador we must understand what our leader/president/king/emperor wants and speak those words, wanted or not. This same standard applies to speaking for God, with the Bible as our standard and guide to noise out to mankind. One must understand the character of God as you pointed out and this does not happen with feelings but scripture and with the Bible as the authority we speak. I think some people go to the extreme when judging us, thinking that all we do is preach a dark, gray, gloomy message to everyone. One might be very surprise to find how we communicate to people that have ears to hear. If you read the Book of Acts we do not find one..1...uno..message of God loves you or Jesus loves you anywhere. However we find this message in the Epistles. Why? Because these were saints, the Church, those that have eyes to see and ears to hear. I rarely quote something in the Epistles to unbelievers, because those letters were addressed to saints of particular cities and not to whosoever. Context can help with this truth. We find words like "forgiveness, mercy, love", in all the Epistles and "repentance" in the book of Acts. Connect the dots. So if we speak on issues from our own feelings, stamping a little dove to it, then we a phony ambassadors. The book of Jeremiah can give insight to speaking nice kind words from the heart (Jer 23) rather than what God our King wants said to a people, city, event, campus, individual. If we speak the words of our King no matter what people think, indeed you are a true Ambassador doing your duty. When the Bible says, thou shalt not take the Lords Name in vain, this is what I believe that text is trying to communicate to us. Do not take His name and apply your words, with your feelings, with your dreams, with your own heart (Jer.23:31).Speaking on behalf of Almighty God is big league and should not be taken lightly. Good observation Christine Ruben Israel -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching
DAVEH: Ruben, did I understand you correctly to say that you are the guy who holds up the Jn 3:16 sign at most of the televised sporting events? If so, I'm curiousdo any of the folks behind you complain about their view being blocked by the sign? Yes I am one of the guys, there are about five of us. Regarding the sign some might complain do but the seats behind the end zone are not the best, you cannot see much of the game. Others help hold the sign. But its about as much as people complaining when someone knocks on their door to witness religion, why do you ask? Yes one other when brother David did and since then others have tried. DAVEH: SoHave any SPers (other than DavidM) attempted to offer to smoke the peace pipe with him? Yes one other when David Miller tried and since then others have attempted. DAVEH: Waving underwear in an attempt to belittle seems obnoxious to me. No DH, what is obnoxious is wearing them, trusting in him as a rabbit foot or supposing the apostles wore them ..talk about revolting. I only wave hem, they wear them. Dont take it personal Dave .take it as a group.
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Oh so you do shout. Got it. Thanks KEVIN CAN YOU PLEASE STOP YELLING! THIS IS NOT A PREACH SITUATION!!!
Re: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching
There was a man by the name of James White who took this approach for 18 years before the Street Preachers came to the Mormon conferences. He too was upset with the arrival of the Street Preachers. Maybe someone should ask God why he decided to change his approach toward the Mormons. Right on the money here David. You are not the only one to conclude this, even Mormons from FAIR that I talk with have confirmed this too? Someone shows up with a brighter light, and rather than rejoicing they get offended. I guess next to the banners with Mormons, media and police around us, he looked like he is holding a flickering match in the wind. Remember, it was he that ran home and posted us on his website, news letter and used a radio show to bad mouth us not once but twice. It was he that said he was going to make lemonade out of us, instead of talking with us. He is mighty thousands of miles away. Regular Mormons, FAIR, ex-Mormons and the Mormon fundy that protest the temple were shocked to see him run away, they believe he was only in this for his book sales.
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ï Caroline, I will make this very easy for you to answer questions without enormous commentaries, nice soft little stories, or starting from Adam and Eve to make your point, and trying to be politically correct. I trust you read Psalm 7:11 and we could plow into many other verses but I do not think you can move on yet. Please check one. After reading Psalm 7:11 can we conclude that the God of the Bible is ANGRY with the wicked every day? Yes ( ) No ( ) The verse does say EVERY DAY, which is safe to conclude that every day would include weeks, months and even years or centuries? Yes ( ) No ( ) Can we assume that every day would be the year 2005? Yes ( ) No ( ) If yes, is it reasonable to say that God in heaven was angry today? Yes ( ) No ( ) More later but let us finish your plate. ââ..
Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Street Preaching
Sorry I never wrote this: Ruben (the real one) Ruben Israel wrote: The biblical idea that God is our Father is a New Covenant consideration. Whatever old testament scripture one can quote concerning God, it must now be seen as a statement concerning the Father. It is the wrath of a father that is encountered in the new covenant age. In Christ, this father shed His blood for us -- while we were still sinners (and sinning). He does not leave that emotion behind when His emotion is one of anger or disappointment no more than a father stops loving his children when they miss up their lives. In fact, some fathers love their children more in that circumstance. Grace and mercy are all the more present. =The children of God are the ones who walk in the spirit. Those who walk in the flesh are His enemy. Romans, chapter eight, if you believe the Bible..If not, never mind.Terry
Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Street Preaching
The biblical idea that God is our Father is a New Covenant consideration. Whatever old testament scripture one can quote concerning God, it must now be seen as a statement concerning the Father. It is the wrath of a father that is encountered in the new covenant age. In Christ, this father shed His blood for us -- while we were still sinners (and sinning). He does not leave that emotion behind when His emotion is one of anger or disappointment no more than a father stops loving his children when they miss up their lives. In fact, some fathers love their children more in that circumstance. Grace and mercy are all the more present. You read ALL this from that one verse, why not just take read for what it says? I guess that is your way of saying, yes God is angry (as the verse clearly shows) everyday of every week of every year or as the question was asked? Is this not 24/7 as the question? If all we do is push God loves you than we misrepresent God, We make God look schizophrenic. I love now but I will destroy you in fire for eternity then? It has been my experience that this thinking makes people become pagans, atheists or even wink at other gods.
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God is love. Now in light of His being love, tell me what His wrath and His hate is like? Hint: it's not the same as human hate and anger and it's definitely not the same as Satan's hate and anger. So He was not love then? I guess that is your way of saying, yes? Why not just take read for what it says? God is angry (as the verse clearly shows) everyday of every week of every year or as you asked 24/7? We do have consistency here with Old and New, how can someone read the book of Revelation and conclude God destroys nations, people the earth? Let me try this again, Can you please read me Psalm 7:11 and tell me what that verse is saying?
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JD merely believes God is love and that He loves sinners while you believe He is angry with sinners 24/7 Can you please read me Psalm 7:11 and tell me what that verse is saying?
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ï Hence my opening comment. Still no reason to leave off the message of love. I am hoping that is not your message, however. I have read of your ministry for nearly two years, now. Awesome, in many respects. Look, I do not think a rebuking ministry is totally out of place. But it is not to be the exclusive presentation. Neither is love. If our rebukes are not tempered by love and obvious concern, we really only have a message of hate. Again, this is not a personal assessment -- not by a long shot. I hope that those to whom you preach see the love and concern you have for them. If that is not present, you (and all of us) are in the wrong business. Correct??? No argument there, but I would never use people as a dip stick to take a reading on how much love I have. If that was our standard everyone in the Bible had no love. The Book of Acts for example, when these men preached two happened. Revival or riot. There is no ministry of love and ministry of rebuke. 2 Timothy 4:2 âPreach the word; be instant in season, out of season, rebuke, reprove, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrineâ Preaching the word gives me license to preach on any subject and not just God loves you. This is not my ministry, gift or calling JD, but my duty as a Christian. Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks, one on one or one on fifty thousand.
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I see love on ruben's part. For God and for the lost sinner. How cpuld you stand the abuse day after day, year after year if you did not love those who abuse you. I am amazed that he hasn't punched someone out.Terry Thank you Terry. I believe if we saw what heaven was like we could not contain ourselves with proclaiming it to everyone and if we saw what hell was really like we would warn everyone with every ounce of speech in us. Maybe put it on our shirts or fly big banners? Over the years Ive been punched, spit, jailed, beat, lit on fire, whipped with a whip and rosary beads, but all this is nothing compared those heros in the Bible. And you know what Terry .my only regret is I can only do this once. Ruben Israel .
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I personally have reason to respect Ruben Israel. My comments are not personal. But --- "different strokes for different folks" is my response to Ruben's defense. What is in evidence, I suppose, is that preaching (including "street preaching") is an acceptable vehicle for spreading the message of hope. Except for the Noah example, what we have is a series of examples of how the message was presented to the children of God --- the Jews. We are repeatedly reminded that among these people of God, few would respond. Perhaps Heb 6:4-6 explains why. No doubt, preaching the message of God's love apart from His disappointment (His wrath) gives one something less than the full picture. I incorporate the message of love in my ministry becau se of the information I find in the letters of the apostles and prophets. The commands that bear repeating in I John are "love God" and "love the brethren." We are reminded that " no one has seen God at any time -- but if we love one another, God abides in us" I J 4:12. In fact, "if God loved us, we should love others" ( I J 4:11)... Thank you JD for your response. It has been my experience in over 25 years of public preaching in the US and England that most if not all people understand that God loves them. This message has been emphasized more than any other, and I just simply try to even out the teeter-totter, so when they die verily they have heard the full gospel. Regarding John 3:16, that message was told to one man at night and we cannot cross reference it again in the gospels nor the Book of Acts (if it is to be so common). I have bee putting John 3:16 signs at games since 1984 or 1985, not because it is so loving nor am I so loving. But on that great Day those millions and millions of people that witnessed those signs must explain to God why they did not know a simple Bible verse, yet knew the players name by number. His position played, what college he came from, salary and stats, who really was their god/God? Here is a question regarding love that should be placed on the table to examine. What is love? We love cake, we love movies, we love music, we love for our favorite team to win, but is that love? LOVE IS ACTION. God did not say in Heaven I love the human race, He gave His only begotten Son. Jesus did not walk around earth telling the Father I love you or praising Him, He obeyed even unto death. Jesus even told us, if we love Him to keep His commandments. ACTION. When I preach a hard message does this mean this is unloving? For example since the Mormons are on the hot seat let us use them. We show up at their conference and preach a very salty message that no one has seem to do. This has been told to me by hundreds of Mormons and ex-Mormons, the media and local police to name a few. Does God love these people, YES, He is trying. Remember the Bible teaches As many as I love, I REBUKE AND CHASTEN (Rev.3:19). Here is a good example of what love is. We find it in 1John 3:18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; BUT IN DEED AND IN TRUTH. It is our deed to go to Salt Lake City to given them truth regarding the Bible and the book of Mormon, rather than most Christians that simply just believe them to be a cult but never tell them to their face. To me that is nothing but gossip, if you really believe that something is wrong or evil, get out there at preach it to the ears that need to be heard and so what if no one wants to hear you. They (Mormons) have indeed outgrown the Bible and our personal conversations out there are priceless. These personal conversations happen due to the public preaching and get this. Many older Mormons think we are sent to their church as judgment, as locust, because they know their church is beyond lukewarm. These Mormons here try to put on one big smiley face and want everyone to think they are on big happy Osmond family, but dont buy it. From the watchtower: Ruben Israel loving 1Jn.3:18 style
Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Street Preaching
To those that wish to comment on "street preaching," take note: Noah was called a "preacher of righteousness" during his time slot he preached righteousness to a perverted people and did anyone get saved? Would it have been more prudent for him to use his three sons and maybe start a band, singing to sinners in that wicked generation and using this friendship evangelism rather than preaching? Isaiah was told to "Lift aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and shew my people their transgressions and the house of Jacob their sins" (Is.58:1). Do we find Isaiah preaching a message of God wants you just the way you are? Find out how many messages he preached using the word "Woe" vs. "God loves you". Jeremiah was told to go and cry out against cities, people, individuals and a temple, his message was about as in your face as one can get. Should he have possibly just tried to get to know everyone, maybe coffee and pie, perhaps this result would have been fruitful and the message would have been accepted? In retrospect was it all Jeremiah's fault? Ezekiel, now here is someone I enjoy reading, this man uses more visual aids with his preaching (see Ezekiel for details) and again where do we find this message of God loves you even once in forty eight chapters? He was the watchman warning sinners of their sin. Ringing the bell, sounding the alarm, echoing caution, pointing out the sin trying to get into the camp (Ezk. 3 & 33). These are just a few men that preached in public a message in an ear that no one wanted to hear and that is why these men were persecuted, jailed and killed for it. When God sent someone like these individuals out of the bull pen you best take heed and understand that this is your wake up call. Is that only Old Testament? Well let's see, enter John the Baptist and his message was not "I love you and so does God." He name called, preached a hard message to the religious, warned about God's wrath with fire, and demanded fruit meet for repentance (Mt.3:5-12). And must I note that he was a voice "crying in the wilderness" which is not weeping or lamenting but crying out loud. Understand that one must do it the way God wants it done. Noah did not just build a boat, nor were four walls lifted and called a temple. But these were done the way God specifically wanted it done, we have consistency in both Old and New Testaments. Did Jesus ever preach God loves you just the way you are to anyone? That is common today, was it with Jesus? His message was repent (Mt.417) and our Lord did raise His voice (see John 7:28, 37) also read feeding the thousands and teaching them. Without raising the voice? Jesus preached more on hell fire than the love of God, and talk about name calling read Matthew 23, or he condemned whole generations for being faithless and adulterous. He "Woe'ed" three cities that now no longer exist, He upbraided those cities that did not repent (that is the strongest form of rebuke) and if His whole life was preaching love and forgiveness why would they kill Him? Did he not tell the disciples "The world cannot hate you; but me it hateth, because I testify of it, that the works thereof are evil." This is the reason they hated and killed our Lord. He testified that the world was evil which our job is as public preachers, not to gain favor with people. We expose sin in the public place where it parades and offer the remedy to the problem. Who cares if I offend the whole world, my hope is not to offend God. Acts chapter two we find Peter on the day of Pentecost lifting up his voice as he preached (Acts 2:14) and no where do we God loves you preached once but many verses on judgment. Why is it so common today? What the common message has always been is "Repent" which means a change of mind, heart or lifestyle...so much for God wants you just the way you are. Let us look at Stephen's public sermon to find God and Jesus loves you. Acts chapter seven we read that Stephen gave a history lesion and ended saying "Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost as your fathers did, so do ye." Of course they attacked him and killed him. Maybe if Stephen proclaimed more on Gods love he could have ministered longer, maybe all the apostles should have done this so they would not have been persecuted, beaten, jailed and killed for their faith. SIDE BAR: (even the book of Mormon has a picture of a man preaching or yelling to people below shooting arrows at him) SIDE BAR OVER. Does the Book of Acts have an ending or should that style of preaching continue today? Selah -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscri
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Great, great grand-daughter of Brigham Young exposes truth about cult of Mormonism - listen to interview 24 hrs per day until Monday, 3 PM (EST) host: Kelly McGinleyinterviewed: Sandra Tanner, Utah Lighthouse Ministry May 13, 2005Friday - We will be airing a pre-recorded show!Sandra Tanner,with the Utah Lighthouse MinistryShe will be discussing Mormonism!The Mormon Church, which professes to teach the true way of salvation, teaches many things that are not compatible with the teachings of Christ. Mormon leaders have made the tragic mistake of pointing their people toward a church instead of toward the Saviour. They claim that their church is the only true church and that all others are false and have no authority. This tends to make the people more concerned about the organization than about their relationship with Christ.May 14, 2005Steve Lefeminedir., Columbia Christians for LifeColumbia, SCwww.ChristianLifeandLiberty.netListen to these points discussed during Kelly McGinley's interview withSandra Tanner, great, great grand-daughter of Brigham Young, the secondleader of Mormonism (as in Brigham Young University):Sandra Tanner and her husband Jerald were born into Mormonism, each with family connections going back to the religion's founding. After study of the beliefs and roots of Mormonism, they left Mormonism. Listen to the testimony of Sandra and her husband'sexperience. They came out of Mormonism, and both accepted Christ.Together they have authored over 40 books, and live in Salt Lake City, Utah, the heartof Mormon country. She and her husband have been out of Mormonism for over40 years now (Publish "Salt Lake City Messenger"). Utah Lighthouse Ministry, PO Box 1884, Salt Lake City, Utah 84110http://www.utlm.org/Joseph Smith practiced polygamy, and today, some break-off branches of Mormonism,accepting Joseph Smith as a "prophet of god" [sic], continue to follow Smith'steaching of polygamy (at least 50,000 people involved in polygamy in the region["the inner mountain area"], according to Sandra Tanner.Mormonism is laced with the influence of Freemasonry. Joseph Smith, the founderof Mormonism, was a freemason. Mormonism has secret handshakes which aresimilar to the secret handshakes of freemasonry. On the Mormon underwearused in the Mormon temple ritual, is small stitching that looks like the letters"L" and "V" - but the stitching actually represents the compass and square of masonry.Mormonism [blasphemously] believes Jesus was a created being, and that Jesus and Lucifer are brothers. Mormonism [blasphemously] believes God was a man, and that He progressed to be a [g]od. Likewise, Mormonism believes that good Mormons can also progress to become a god.Mormonism believes angels, devils, Lucifer, Satan, and we humans are all really the same species, with the same potential - Mormons therefore believe Jesus and Luciferare both our older brothers.Mormonism believes you were born to God and [H]is wife in heaven before your earthlyexistence, and that you can become a god if you do well in this earthly life, and become a god over your own world, just as the real God is over this world (planet Earth).Contact Re-Taking America at 1-251-342-1360 to request a CD or audiotape of thisrevealing, authoritative interview with Sandra Tanner, Utah Lighthouse Ministry,by Kelly McGinley, host of Re-taking America.Pray for the deliverance and salvation of Mormons trapped in the bondage of Mormonism,that they may come to know the Lord Jesus Christ, eternally pre-existent as the Divine Second Person of the Godhead; and by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone, receive atonement and forgiveness for their sins, through the shed blood of Jesus Christon the Cross at Calvary [plus nothing !], and receive the true eternal life which only Hecan provide. Pray also for Bible-believing Christians, that believers will not "yoke" withthe non-believers of the false religion of the "Church" of the Latter Day Saints, i.e.,the Mormon "Church," in obedience to God's Word in 2 Corinthians 6:14-18, to:"Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers:..." Certainly this wouldinclude not praying and worshipping with Mormons as if Mormonism was just anotherbrand of Christianity. As can be seen by the points made above, and by listening tothe Re-taking America interview of Sandra Tanner, it should be quite clear to anyone willing to contrast the teaching of God's Word in the 66 books of the Bible (O.T. amd N.T.), with the teachings of the Book of Mormon, and Mormonism's other spirtual books, that Mormonism is certainly not a Christian religion.The Bible says that true love, true Christian charity,... "Rejoiceth not in iniquity; but rejoiceth in [with] the truth." 1 Corinthians 13:6It is not l
Re: [TruthTalk] baptism
I give you a witness here Perry regarding Kevin. I enjoy reading your posts. Dave, I can't understand why you do not hang on every word Kevin posts! He backs up all of his biblical claims with scripture references, and not just one or two, with several to many. He backs up what he claims about the Mormon church with statements from your own non-prophets and leaders. He has a passion for the Lord, and quite evidently has been called to use this passion, and his knowledge of the Word, to spread the gospel. I would expect him to act no differently on TT than he does on the street. Just because he does not fit your idea of what Truth Talk should be does not mean that his exchanges are not meaningful. In fact, in terms of proclaiming the gospel to the unsaved, Kevin is probably doing more on TT than any other poster. He steadfastly sticks to the message, not straying into the pseudo-intellectual realms of so many posts. Those things are often titillating and fun to ponder, but when it comes down to it, either you believe or you don't. Perry -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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Wow; totally awesome photos and videos. What CD is playing in the background? I couldnt find a credit for it. Izzy Thank you Izzy, this web site is done from a brother in Atlanta and much in it, I am as shocked as you. It is about 65% complete at this time and I do not know much about the music on the site.
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DAVEH: Hey Rubin..I was disappointed to get only a glimpse of the cow outfit (do you have some good stills?), but did enjoy your particularly detailed explanation of sex education! :-[ Ruben: Well I feel very bad to disappoint you DH, but at least you understand that we preach to more than just Mormons and the use of visual aids are endless. Krishnas = cow outfit, Catholics = wave rosary beads, sodomites = electrical cords .and ..Mormons = underwear.
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We need a photo of Rubin for the newbies on TT! Izzy Hope this helps?http://www.officialstreetpreachers.com/Media/Coast%20to%20Coast.htm
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Kevin writes: Blaine has been looking for you. Oh really Well .have him meet me in June at the sodomite parade in Utah, that prances next to B.Y. house or in October at the temple in Salt Lake City, he cant miss us, big guy, big sign, police standing around, preaching to arrogant religious people in white shirts, ties with name tags.
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KD: This was Rubens report of MAY DAY at San Diego Ruben has been on TT before. He is probably lurking even now. Ruben: YOU RANG!?!?
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Jd Questions: what is to become of Jennifer? She is in the Lords hand and I believe we will see each other in June at the sodomite parade in San Diego. Where does Ruben go from here - is there another chapter in this story? Yes, endless chapters. Living in Los Angeles we preach at everything from the Academy, Grammy, SAG, music and movie awards, every weekend there is something going on here. Next weekend are concerts and a sodomite parade in Long Beach. And what did Ruben mean with this sentence: " Her name was Jennifer and did not resemble most lesbians, she had a religious upbringing and for unknown reasons walked away from Christianity." You know the butch type, short hair, tattoos, piercing, talks and walks like a man. In the short time of ministering to her, she and many others that Iâve talked too grew up in a Christian household. Should she have remained a Christian in her lesbian "lifestyle?" Like oil and water, NEVER, but God can deliver her from this sin. She was not born a lesbian, maybe bad male relationships, maybe witnessing hypocrisy with her parents and the church they were involved with. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
