Re: [TruthTalk] Benny Hiin the thief
cd: Due to the lack of response from the brethren-which I think is due to their not wanting to get involved in any more of out discussions. The last one we completed on Pal Talk concerning the Mormons did end so well, at least for you anyway:-) I will try and relate as to why I believe the brethren preach at Hinn events. I'm not sure what you are talking about in regards to PalTalk. cd: But I had understood from your previous letter that you believed the preachers was wrong because it gave doubts to those going to Hinn for a healing and that the faith for the healing came from their faith-not Hinns faith-if there is such faith in Hinn. Which is it that would make you speak against the brethren in front of the ungodly-their faith or Hinns faith? I'm not real sure what you are asking. Furthermore, I am not speaking against brethren. We are to provoke one another to love and good works. We should correct and instruct one another as thoroughly as we do others. Street Preachers in general do have problems with envy and pride, including me. It in some way, at times, aids the drive to get out front and speak. So I'm not sure why you are reacting so negatively to my comments. My perspective about the Hinn meetings is not to say that Hinn is a good guy. If I had to vote right now, based upon what I have heard about him, I would vote against him. However, if it were in my power not to vote, that is what I would choose to do because most of my information comes second hand, though gossip and rumor mills. Not a good source of information. Furthermore, such news is INFESTED with the love of money. It is all talking about MONEY, MONEY, MONEY, and I get sick of reading it. What I was trying to say about faith was that people who are terminally ill seek out God and seek out a remedy wherever they can find it. I work with people in nursing homes and the homeless and infirmed on the streets. I think it is good to encourage them to believe God, because when they do reach out to him in faith, they will be healed. Sometimes it takes a minister who believes in healing to bolster their faith. Like Paul in Acts 14 preaching and seeing the crippled man before him, he perceived that he had faith to be healed. So he told him to stand up. Faith comes through hearing God's Word and we should encourage people to believe God. What a disgrace it is for people such as this to be coming to a meeting that offers hope of healing, only to meet up with a bunch of Street Preachers with signs protesting and telling them that the man inside is a fraud and out to steal their money. I have little doubt that they have been instruments of doubt and unbelief, causing people to return home sick. cd: Hogwash David-You have preached with these same brethren have you seen jealousy and envycoming from these brethren that give all for the gospel even their meager saving to go and preach? All I have seen is the preachers being treated badly by the world and now by you. How would Hinn's unbelief effect the healing of those who have faith? The only thing I believe that is not from the Spirit of God is you teaching on this matter David and Hinn. I'm not sure who it is that goes to these Hinn meetings. I guess they are too scared to let me know who they are if I have preached with them. The only person I know about who did this kind of a protest was Paul Mitchell. When I criticized what he was doing on a public list, little was said in his defense. cd: As I have not seen any Healing from Hinn ministry can you tell me the name of those healed? I would like to speak to them myself. I'm sorry, Dean, but I can't give you any names right now. I hear little about Benny Hinn in the circles I move in. However, as I minister, people come up and talk to me and there have been numerous individuals who have told me of how they were healed at one of his meetings. I have an uncle named Bob DeVone who was healed at a Kathryn Khulman meeting, the woman who Hinn says his mantle of ministry comes from. My own father was taken to one of Khulman's meetings on a stretcher and healed too. Dean wrote: I do not see the Spirit of God leading people to give money to Hinn who spends millions on self-while poor people suffer and preachers lose all they have for the gospel sake while wicked men attack even their character. If you see it otherwise then I believe you to be in denial David. I'm not saying that the Spirit of God leads these people to give directly to this man. I'm saying that when a person experiences the miracle working power of God, and they realize that if it were not for this person, they would be sick and dying and probably dead by now, they give of what they have to that person out of gratitude and the desire to see others healed as they were. You should think about the story of the widow's mite very carefully. Did Jesus stand outside the Temple and rebuke her for giving to the Temple? Did
Re: [TruthTalk] Benny Hiin the thief
Wasn't Lonnie the one who wore the skull cap to mock James White? Maybe not. I can't remember, but I remember that both Ruben and Jim Webber corrected that street preacher for certain behavior at SLC. This kind of correction should go on all the time. cd: I will not say who wore the cap or who encouraged the wearing-That is between them and God and I would hate to speak against a servant of God and find that I was wrong. I also feel that after reading this response that I understand you better and believe that I have been too hard on you -forgive me David. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
[TruthTalk] Benny Hiin the thief
[Original Message] From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Date: 1/22/2006 5:25:24 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Lance and biblical language cd: Due to the lack of response from the brethren-which I think is due to their not wanting to get involved in any more of out discussions. The last one we completed on Pal Talk concerning the Mormons did end so well, at least for you anyway:-) I will try and relate as to why I believe the brethren preach at Hinn events. cd: I think the Street Preachers understand B. Hinn quite well. I see it differently. cd CD wrote: I have no problem with laying on hands to heal the sick-heck-I am even for this-but to travel great distances to believe Hinn has some special insite/power with God is error-it is suppose to be done with the elders of the church. If the elders of the church do not pray the prayer of faith, and the person finds that he is still sick,-- then there is nothing wrong with him going to someone who has faith or who has gifts of healings. -- Read 1 Cor. 12 and you will find that gifts of healings, miracles, and faith are not limited to elders of the church. cd: But I had understood from your previous letter that you believed the preachers was wrong because it gave doubts to those going to Hinn for a healing and that the faith for the healing came from their faith-not Hinns faith-if there is such faith in Hinn. Which is it that would make you speak against the brethren in front of the ungodly-their faith or Hinns faith? CD wrote: When the women touched Christ and was cured of the issue of blood-what (virtue) flowed from Christ to the women Hinn does not have. I suspect that the only cure Hinn has to offer is to cure one of covenaent money as he has most of it. You comparison of Christ and Hinn in the above is a mistake. I only pointed out that even Jesus Christ could not heal many because of their unbelief. If such explains failure in prayer with Jesus Christ, how much more does it explain failure with us. Therefore, we ought not deter the faith of anyone just because they are seeking help through another minister. Such objections arise from jealousy and envy, not from the Spirit of God. cd: Hogwash David-You have preached with these same brethren have you seen jealousy and envycoming from these brethren that give all for the gospel even their meager saving to go and preach? All I have seen is the preachers being treated badly by the world and now by you. How would Hinn's unbelief effect the healing of those who have faith? The only thing I believe that is not from the Spirit of God is you teaching on this matter David and Hinn. The testimony of many people is that they have been healed by God through Hinn's ministry, which is why so many give money to him. When a person has an incurable disease, they often become extremely grateful to the person they view as responsible for facilitating that healing. I have had the poorest of the poor give me the widow's mite so to speak. You don't know how difficult it is to receive such a gift, but the Spirit taught me long ago, nobody can give if nobody receives. Therefore, the answer is to pour the money back into helping them. I don't know what Hinn does with his money. He may very well be spending it unfaithfully, but if your criticism concerns him receiving lots of money, then your criticism is misdirected at the wrong end of the cash flow. I cd: As I have not seen any Healing from Hinn ministry can you tell me the name of those healed? I would like to speak to them myself. I do not see the Spirit of God leading people to give money to Hinn who spends millions on self-while poor people suffer and preachers lose all they have for the gospel sake while wicked men attack even their character. If you see it otherwise then I believe you to be in denial David. CD wrote: By the way when did we become protesters? I understood you to be a preacher-we are likewise. Sometimes preachers do protest, and these Benny Hinn events are merely protests against Hinn. Just listen to what they are saying, or consider their signs. If they were preaching, they would heal the sick through the laying on of hands and the prayer of faith as the people came in. It seems to me that these street preachers who protest Hinn are in error, filled with a spirit of envy and backbiting. I suspect the street preachers protesting at the Promise Keepers events are basically the same thing. cd: The preachers I have preached by speaking of Jesus and the wrongness of sin of which includes giving to the rich while the poor suffer. Paul and the early church gave all their living to God's service. I haven't read of Paul even spending money on a horse much less million dollar homes-high dollar motel rooms and such nonsense. Hinn ministry couldn't compare to such men as Paul-one is a giver
