RE: [TruthTalk] 119 - 138 of 613 Commands
Thank you, Laura for noticing the subtly of the passage. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, 17 November, 2004 12.57To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 119 - 138 of 613 Commands In a message dated 11/17/2004 11:49:39 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: jt: How do you know this woman was repentant? I've never heard that before but I have heard ppl comment on the hypocrisy of bringing her to Jesus and letting the man involved off (she didn't commit adultery by herself); also if there is so much grace and warm fuzzies going on how is it that Paul was scourged five times by the Jews while doing the Lord's ministry? Would Christ have forgiven her and sent her on her way if she was not repentant? Laura
Re: [TruthTalk] 119 - 138 of 613 Commands
On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 12:56:47 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 11/17/2004 11:49:39 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: jt: How do you know this woman was repentant? I've never heard that before but I have heard ppl comment on the hypocrisy of bringing her to Jesus and letting the man involved off (she didn't commit adultery by herself); also if there is so much grace and warm fuzzies going on how is it that Paul was scourged five times by the Jews while doing the Lord's ministry? Would Christ have forgiven her and sent her on her way if she was not repentant? Laura jt: I don't think we can assume that she was repentant right at that moment. She may have been sorry she was caught in the act - sorry isn't exactly the same, it's more like a 'crying drunk' and the sorrow of the world only works death. But Jesus only did what he first saw the Father doing so possibly repentance would be a future reality for this woman since Jesus told her to "go and sin no more" which would be repentance as a way of life. judyt
Re: [TruthTalk] 119 - 138 of 613 Commands
In a message dated 11/17/2004 11:49:39 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: jt: How do you know this woman was repentant? I've never heard that before but I have heard ppl comment on the hypocrisy of bringing her to Jesus and letting the man involved off (she didn't commit adultery by herself); also if there is so much grace and warm fuzzies going on how is it that Paul was scourged five times by the Jews while doing the Lord's ministry? Would Christ have forgiven her and sent her on her way if she was not repentant? Laura
Re: [TruthTalk] 119 - 138 of 613 Commands
jt: How do you know this woman was repentant? I've never heard that before but I have heard ppl comment on the hypocrisy of bringing her to Jesus and letting the man involved off (she didn't commit adultery by herself); also if there is so much grace and warm fuzzies going on how is it that Paul was scourged five times by the Jews while doing the Lord's ministry? On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 19:53:24 -0500 "Slade Henson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Beautiful example of Grace. Even in the times before Yeshua's death, the Levites did not authorize the stoning of a person when they were repentant. After all, a Sanhedrin who authorized the capitol punishment of a single person on 75 years was called a bloody Sanhedrin. God didn't have David killed because of his repentance. This doesn't mean "thou shalt not murder" is no longer applicable. -- slade On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 09:56:42 -0500 "Slade Henson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Those are the ones dealing with the woman who has allegedly committed adultery. She's brought before the priest and has to drink the bitter waters. K. jt: Apparently this is also obsolete because Jesus didn't stone the woman caught in adultery, neither did he give her bitter waters to drink. He told her to "go and sin no more" - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of ShieldsFamily What are the laws of the Sotah in #136? Izzy
RE: [TruthTalk] 119 - 138 of 613 Commands
Beautiful example of Grace. Even in the times before Yeshua's death, the Levites did not authorize the stoning of a person when they were repentant. After all, a Sanhedrin who authorized the capitol punishment of a single person on 75 years was called a bloody Sanhedrin. God didn't have David killed because of his repentance. This doesn't mean "thou shalt not murder" is no longer applicable. -- slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Judy TaylorSent: Tuesday, 16 November, 2004 16.14To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 119 - 138 of 613 Commands On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 09:56:42 -0500 "Slade Henson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Those are the ones dealing with the woman who has allegedly committed adultery. She's brought before the priest and has to drink the bitter waters. K. jt: Apparently this is also obsolete because Jesus didn't stone the woman caught in adultery, neither did he give her bitter waters to drink. He told her to "go and sin no more" - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of ShieldsFamily What are the laws of the Sotah in #136? Izzy
Re: [TruthTalk] 119 - 138 of 613 Commands
On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 09:56:42 -0500 "Slade Henson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Those are the ones dealing with the woman who has allegedly committed adultery. She's brought before the priest and has to drink the bitter waters. K. jt: Apparently this is also obsolete because Jesus didn't stone the woman caught in adultery, neither did he give her bitter waters to drink. He told her to "go and sin no more" - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of ShieldsFamily What are the laws of the Sotah in #136? Izzy
RE: [TruthTalk] 119 - 138 of 613 Commands
Those are the ones dealing with the woman who has allegedly committed adultery. She's brought before the priest and has to drink the bitter waters. K. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of ShieldsFamilySent: Tuesday, 16 November, 2004 09.06To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] 119 - 138 of 613 Commands What are the laws of the Sotah in #136? Izzy
RE: [TruthTalk] 119 - 138 of 613 Commands
What are the laws of the Sotah in #136? Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Slade Henson Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 7:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [TruthTalk] 119 - 138 of 613 Commands I tried several times to copy and paste from the web site and for some reason, it wasn't working. So I copied them myself. Sorry it took so long. I would assume there are going to be some terms in this list that people may not understand, but we can give explanations. One thing I would like to mention is number 127. We actually know a couple who did this. They were married many years ago, had children, got a divorce. The wife was with someone else, had a child, and then broke up with him. The wife then said "the Lord told me"; she should obey Him and go back to her previous husband. I asked her about Deut. 24:4. I did not know the reason WHY God says not to do this. I do now. It turned very nasty. I guess God has more wisdom that we do Kay 119 Each man must give a half shekel annually. Ex. 30:13 120. Courts must calculate to determine when a new month begins. Ex. 12:2 121. To afflict and cry out before God in times of catastrophe. Num. 10:9 122. To marry a wife by means of ketubah and kiddushin. Deut. 22:13 123. Not to have relations with women not thus married. Deut. 23:18 124. Not to withhold food, clothing, and relations form your wife. Ex. 21:10 125. To have children with one's wife. Gen. 1:28 126. To issue a divorce by means of a "get" document. Deut. 24:1 127. A man must not remarry his wife after she has married someone else. Deut. 24:4 128. To do yibum (marry childless brother's widow) Deut. 25:5 129. To do chalitzah (freeing a widow from yibum) Deut. 25:9 130. The widow must not remarry until the ties with her brother-in-law are removed. Deut 25:5 131. The court must fine one who seduces a maiden. Ex. 22:15-16 132. The rapist must marry the maiden (if she chooses) Deut. 22:29 133. He is not allowed to divorce her. Deut. 22: 29 134. The slanderer must remain married to his wife. Deut. 22:19 135. He must not divorce her. Deut. 22:19 136. To fulfill the laws of the Sotah. Num. 5:30 137. Not to put oil in her meal offering. Num. 5:15 138. Not to put frankincense on her meal offering. Num. 5:15
RE: [TruthTalk] 119 - 138 of 613 Commands
What does to “afflict” mean in #121? Self-mutilation??? Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Slade Henson Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 7:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [TruthTalk] 119 - 138 of 613 Commands I tried several times to copy and paste from the web site and for some reason, it wasn't working. So I copied them myself. Sorry it took so long. I would assume there are going to be some terms in this list that people may not understand, but we can give explanations. One thing I would like to mention is number 127. We actually know a couple who did this. They were married many years ago, had children, got a divorce. The wife was with someone else, had a child, and then broke up with him. The wife then said "the Lord told me"; she should obey Him and go back to her previous husband. I asked her about Deut. 24:4. I did not know the reason WHY God says not to do this. I do now. It turned very nasty. I guess God has more wisdom that we do Kay 119 Each man must give a half shekel annually. Ex. 30:13 120. Courts must calculate to determine when a new month begins. Ex. 12:2 121. To afflict and cry out before God in times of catastrophe. Num. 10:9 122. To marry a wife by means of ketubah and kiddushin. Deut. 22:13 123. Not to have relations with women not thus married. Deut. 23:18 124. Not to withhold food, clothing, and relations form your wife. Ex. 21:10 125. To have children with one's wife. Gen. 1:28 126. To issue a divorce by means of a "get" document. Deut. 24:1 127. A man must not remarry his wife after she has married someone else. Deut. 24:4 128. To do yibum (marry childless brother's widow) Deut. 25:5 129. To do chalitzah (freeing a widow from yibum) Deut. 25:9 130. The widow must not remarry until the ties with her brother-in-law are removed. Deut 25:5 131. The court must fine one who seduces a maiden. Ex. 22:15-16 132. The rapist must marry the maiden (if she chooses) Deut. 22:29 133. He is not allowed to divorce her. Deut. 22: 29 134. The slanderer must remain married to his wife. Deut. 22:19 135. He must not divorce her. Deut. 22:19 136. To fulfill the laws of the Sotah. Num. 5:30 137. Not to put oil in her meal offering. Num. 5:15 138. Not to put frankincense on her meal offering. Num. 5:15
RE: [TruthTalk] 119 - 138 of 613 Commands
Kay, I know a woman who divorced her first husband then married another man. She and the 2nd man have been divorced and remarried so many times that even her daughter has lost count. During one of the divorced periods he took and then divorced another woman. Now they are back together again, and I don’t know if anyone knows if they are legally married or not. This brings up a question: Is a real marriage just a legal marriage? Or can one be “really” married in God’s eyes without a “legal” ceremony? I’ve heard lots of opinions about that. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Slade Henson Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 7:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [TruthTalk] 119 - 138 of 613 Commands I tried several times to copy and paste from the web site and for some reason, it wasn't working. So I copied them myself. Sorry it took so long. I would assume there are going to be some terms in this list that people may not understand, but we can give explanations. One thing I would like to mention is number 127. We actually know a couple who did this. They were married many years ago, had children, got a divorce. The wife was with someone else, had a child, and then broke up with him. The wife then said "the Lord told me"; she should obey Him and go back to her previous husband. I asked her about Deut. 24:4. I did not know the reason WHY God says not to do this. I do now. It turned very nasty. I guess God has more wisdom that we do Kay 119 Each man must give a half shekel annually. Ex. 30:13 120. Courts must calculate to determine when a new month begins. Ex. 12:2 121. To afflict and cry out before God in times of catastrophe. Num. 10:9 122. To marry a wife by means of ketubah and kiddushin. Deut. 22:13 123. Not to have relations with women not thus married. Deut. 23:18 124. Not to withhold food, clothing, and relations form your wife. Ex. 21:10 125. To have children with one's wife. Gen. 1:28 126. To issue a divorce by means of a "get" document. Deut. 24:1 127. A man must not remarry his wife after she has married someone else. Deut. 24:4 128. To do yibum (marry childless brother's widow) Deut. 25:5 129. To do chalitzah (freeing a widow from yibum) Deut. 25:9 130. The widow must not remarry until the ties with her brother-in-law are removed. Deut 25:5 131. The court must fine one who seduces a maiden. Ex. 22:15-16 132. The rapist must marry the maiden (if she chooses) Deut. 22:29 133. He is not allowed to divorce her. Deut. 22: 29 134. The slanderer must remain married to his wife. Deut. 22:19 135. He must not divorce her. Deut. 22:19 136. To fulfill the laws of the Sotah. Num. 5:30 137. Not to put oil in her meal offering. Num. 5:15 138. Not to put frankincense on her meal offering. Num. 5:15
[TruthTalk] 119 - 138 of 613 Commands
I tried several times to copy and paste from the web site and for some reason, it wasn't working. So I copied them myself. Sorry it took so long. I would assume there are going to be some terms in this list that people may not understand, but we can give explanations. One thing I would like to mention is number 127. We actually know a couple who did this. They were married many years ago, had children, got a divorce. The wife was with someone else, had a child, and then broke up with him. The wife then said "the Lord told me"; she should obey Him and go back to her previous husband. I asked her about Deut. 24:4. I did not know the reason WHY God says not to do this. I do now. It turned very nasty. I guess God has more wisdom that we do Kay 119 Each man must give a half shekel annually. Ex. 30:13 120. Courts must calculate to determine when a new month begins. Ex. 12:2 121. To afflict and cry out before God in times of catastrophe. Num. 10:9 122. To marry a wife by means of ketubah and kiddushin. Deut. 22:13 123. Not to have relations with women not thus married. Deut. 23:18 124. Not to withhold food, clothing, and relations form your wife. Ex. 21:10 125. To have children with one's wife. Gen. 1:28 126. To issue a divorce by means of a "get" document. Deut. 24:1 127. A man must not remarry his wife after she has married someone else. Deut. 24:4 128. To do yibum (marry childless brother's widow) Deut. 25:5 129. To do chalitzah (freeing a widow from yibum) Deut. 25:9 130. The widow must not remarry until the ties with her brother-in-law are removed. Deut 25:5 131. The court must fine one who seduces a maiden. Ex. 22:15-16 132. The rapist must marry the maiden (if she chooses) Deut. 22:29 133. He is not allowed to divorce her. Deut. 22: 29 134. The slanderer must remain married to his wife. Deut. 22:19 135. He must not divorce her. Deut. 22:19 136. To fulfill the laws of the Sotah. Num. 5:30 137. Not to put oil in her meal offering. Num. 5:15 138. Not to put frankincense on her meal offering. Num. 5:15
