[TruthTalk] Fornication in the camp

2004-07-04 Thread Chris Barr



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Fornication in the camp

Just about one year ago I had the privilege to be part of an entourage 
preaching The Word in the open air at the very large and majestic University of 
Alabama. There was some of the best preaching and greatest responsiveness I've 
ever personally witnessed in that week of wonder.
One of those days a preacher was reproving the students for that which 
typically fills campuses today -- sexual immorality and drunkenness. His text 
was I Corinthians 6:9-11.
This message typically brings out rage, mocking, and justification for sinful 
behaviour from students. This day was typical in many ways.
As things were just getting going a young woman that was walking by stopped. 
She stood and listened for a short while. This young woman stood out as 
different from most of the other students. There was a sober and quiet demeanor 
about her. Her attire was a long dress that did not expose herself in any 
manner. This young woman looked to be a good Christian. She looked to be a 
lady.
Soon this young lady gathered herself in front of the preacher and sat down. 
She took out a notebook and began to take notes appearing very attentive.
After more than an hour she called one of the ladies with us to her. She 
began to pour out her heart.
The young lady said she was a Christian and attended church regularly. Never 
had she heard such preaching as this. She was pricked in her heart. This 
Christian, church going young lady then noted that she had on occasion engaged 
in sexual behaviour with young men. She then said that she had no idea she was 
guilty of fornication before hearing the preaching on that matter on this 
day.
How is it possible for one regularly attending a Christian church to not know 
what fornication is? Does this surprise you?
You may well be very surprised at how little is known amongst believers about 
what fornication is.
Before one stands in judgment of this young lady above I would note that the 
Saviour warned in Matthew 7 that one will be judged in accordance with how one 
judges.
Most believers in my experience would note that fornication is sex before 
marriage. There are those who teach a doctrine of "no divorce, no remarriage, no 
exceptions" who use this very narrow definition. However, the Greek word 
translated 'fornication' in Scripture is 'porneia'. It is the same word from 
which the word pornography is derived.
The Greek word 'porneia' means literally "sexual immorality". Adultery is a 
form of fornication. It is immoral behaviour of a sexual nature.
Sex outside of marriage is fornication. That means homosexuality is also 
fornication since marriage is only between a man and a woman. Therefore those 
who would engage in sexual activity with the same gender are committing 
fornication.
Sex with animals or other objects also then is fornication. It is sex outside 
of marriage.
Fornication is taken from a Latin word 'fornix' that had to do with a place 
where prostitutes gathered to sell themselves for sexual purposes. This 
knowledge has been used to water down fornication as only one who engages in 
selling sex. Therefore sex before OR outside of marriage has been considered not 
to be sin by many who call themselves Christian.
Yet the English word fornication taken from a Latin word is not the same 
circumstance as that found in Scripture. As previously noted the Greek word 
'porneia' from which the English brought forth the word 'fornication' has to do 
with "sexual immorality". It is not limited to prostitution.
No wonder the sober, Christian young lady above did not know she was doing 
anything wrong! There are now "Christian" groups that openly advocate sexual 
behaviour as "love". Anything goes as long as it is with consent and one 
is not selling sex.
Does this shock you? Keep reading for greater shock yet to come.
Decades ago an excellent teacher of Scripture instructed me about the word 
'fornication' coming from the word 'porneia'. He instructed me on that word 
referring to sexual immorality. Immorality means that which is not moral. It has 
to do with right and wrong.
For instance stealing is immoral. It is not moral to take that which belongs 
to another and keep it for yourself. It is fraud to do so.
Apostle Paul instructed those at Corinth almost 2,000 years ago (and us 
today) in I Corinthians chapter 7, "Defraud ye not one another". The context is 
that of a spouse who withholds sex. That one is keeping it to one self. It is 
fraud for one spouse to withhold sex from the other! That is a moral issue!! 
That is a moral issue of a sexual nature!!! That is sexual immorality That 
is 'porneia', which is translated, in the English Scriptures 'fornication'.
Many, whether male or female, have used withholding sex as a device to 
manipulate or to punish. That is fornication!
This teaching was then reaffirmed to me many years later by a 

Re: [TruthTalk] Fornication in the camp

2004-07-04 Thread LaurHamm



I am not finding fault with what you said but am curious as to whether you 
believe birth control is always wrong. Do you believe in family 
planning? Laura


Re: [TruthTalk] Fornication in the camp

2004-07-04 Thread Chris Barr





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  the camp
  
  I am not finding fault with what you said but am curious as to whether 
  you believe birth control is always wrong. Do you believe in family 
  planning? Laura
I don't find "birth control" and "family planning" to necessarily be 
synonymous.

Most forms of birth control are abortifacient in their action (at least in 
some instances). Therefore I am definitely against those that may cause 
abortion. Others have drawbacks (no pun intended). I lean toward all 
birth control as wrong while only certain that most (?vast majority?) of birth 
control is wrong.


Ahava b' YahShua













Baruch 
YHVH,








Chris Barr 


a servant of 
YHVH


Re: [TruthTalk] Fornication in the camp

2004-07-04 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 7/4/2004 11:31:04 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Most forms of birth control are abortifacient in their action (at least in some instances). Therefore I am definitely against those that may cause abortion. Others have drawbacks (no pun intended). I lean toward all birth control as wrong while only certain that most (?vast majority?) of birth control is wrong.


We will read if we are being treated as if we were and are family - equally children of God. And Chris is proving the point. Whether we might agree or disagree (for the most part I do agree in this case), we will read what he has to say and consider it -- when we are not busy defending ourselves or our sense of dignity in the Lord. I for one appreciate the tone of Barr's remarks as much as the content. 

John Smithson