Re: [TruthTalk] Interpretation or interpolation

2005-12-21 Thread ttxpress



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On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:31:21 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  [Kevin] Judy and David do not offer answers to questions posed because 
  they cannot.


Re: [TruthTalk] Interpretation or interpolation

2005-12-20 Thread knpraise

The failure of the "inspired" on this forum to answer or even try to answer questions concerning their doctrine of "spiritual discernment," its detachment from
mental processes, and the infallible nature of its interpretive conclusions gives rise to the importance of a hermeneutical rule that would suggest that in addition to considerations of syntax, semantical concerns, contextual considerations including time, date and cultural histories --- a rule that adds to this mix the weight of the application or lack thereof of our theological conclusion. 

When we present and teach a conclusion that failsas anapplied value [ you all can't answer the questions !!], we expose those conclusions to be untrue or sorely in need of serious revisiting. A failure to do so is expressed in the difference between effective interpretation and a heady interpolation of Godly concerns

Judy and David do not offer answers to questions posed because they cannot.


jd. 


Re: [TruthTalk] Interpretation or interpolation

2005-12-20 Thread Lance Muir



AMEN!! They can however 'suggest' (view from a 
distance while not accusing) BLASPHEMY vis a vis those who do not concur with 
their position. 

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  or interpolation
  
  The failure of the "inspired" on this forum to answer or even try to 
  answer questions concerning their doctrine of "spiritual discernment," 
  its detachment from
  mental processes, and the infallible nature of its interpretive 
  conclusions gives rise to the importance of a hermeneutical rule that 
  would suggest that in addition to considerations of syntax, semantical 
  concerns, contextual considerations including time, date and cultural 
  histories --- a rule that adds to this mix the weight of the 
  application or lack thereof of our theological conclusion. 
  
  When we present and teach a conclusion that failsas anapplied 
  value [ you all can't answer the questions !!], we expose those 
  conclusions to be untrue or sorely in need of serious 
  revisiting. A failure to do so is expressed in the difference 
  between effective interpretation and a heady interpolation of Godly 
  concerns
  
  Judy and David do not offer answers to questions posed because they 
  cannot.
  
  
  jd. 


Re: [TruthTalk] Interpretation or interpolation

2005-12-20 Thread David Miller
John wrote:
 The failure of the inspired on this forum to answer
 or even try to answer questions concerning their
 doctrine of spiritual discernment,  its detachment
 from mental processes, and the infallible nature of
 its interpretive conclusions gives rise to the importance
 of a hermeneutical rule that would suggest that in addition
 to considerations of syntax, semantical concerns,
 contextual considerations including time, date and cultural
 histories  ---  a rule that adds to this mix the weight of the
 application or lack thereof of our theological conclusion.
 When we present and teach a conclusion that fails as an
 applied value  [ you all can't answer the questions !!],
 we expose those conclusions to be untrue or sorely in
 need of  serious revisiting.   A failure to do so is expressed
 in the difference between effective interpretation and a heady
 interpolation of Godly concerns

What you do not seem to realize is that you argue from the presumption that 
your way of interpretation is not only best, but it is the only available 
option. You ignore important passages such as:

1 Corinthians 2:9-15
(9) But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have 
entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them 
that love him.
(10) But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit 
searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
(11) For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which 
is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
(12) Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which 
is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
(13) Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom 
teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with 
spiritual.
(14) But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for 
they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are 
spiritually discerned.
(15) But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged 
of no man.

Your system of learning is not the only one, but you plow forward like a 
bull in the proverbial china shop thinking that you have it all figured out. 
When someone does not conform to your own system of learning and teaching, 
you arrogantly assume that they are in error simply because they do not play 
by your rules of learning and teaching.  Even if no answers were given to 
you, that would not support the rejection of another system of learning.

1 Corinthians 2:6-8
(6) Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom 
of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:
(7) But we speak the wisdom of God IN A MYSTERY, even the hidden wisdom, 
which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
(8) Which none of the princes of this world knew ...

1 Corinthians 2:13
(13) Which things also we speak, NOT IN THE WORDS WHICH MAN'S WISDOM 
TEACHETH, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with 
spiritual.

John  wrote:
 Judy and David do not offer answers
 to questions posed because they cannot.

Wrong, John.  I have answered and could answer a lot more, but my answers 
are not understood by you any better than my 10 year old child understanding 
the answer to a calculus problem.  Another problem is that you are trying to 
force the answers into your hermeneutical box and system of learning.  Set 
your box aside and try being like a child all over again and hear what is 
being said.  That would be a good step toward understanding spiritual 
revelation.  Baptism in the Holy Spirit and speaking in tongues helps too. 
:-)

1 Corinthians 14:14-15
(14) For if I pray in an unknown tongue, MY SPIRIT PRAYETH, BUT MY 
UNDERSTANDING IS UNFRUITFUL.
(15) What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the 
understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the 
understanding also.

Peace be with you.
David Miller.

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