[TruthTalk] Keeping the Commandments
DAVEH: What part of the Law God gave Moses do you think was unkeepable, Terry? Terry Clifton wrote: When God gave Moses the law, He knew that it could not be kept. It was an impossible goal. Something to strive for, but never attainable. I see the command to be perfect in the same light. We strive to be perfect. Some come closer than others, but we all come short. It is an impossible goal. God knows that. It is to show us our shortcomings, our need for a Savior, who was perfect and took our place. Terry -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.
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Dave wrote: DAVEH: What part of the Law God gave Moses do you think was unkeepable, Terry? == Since Paul says that if you break one law you have broken the whole law, I would say the whole law was unkeepable. If I were a Jew living under the law, I would have broken most of them. If I were under that law today I would have broken most of them. Thank God, I am not under the law. How many of them do you keep?
Re: [TruthTalk] Keeping the Commandments
DAVEH: Ohhh Terry.what do you want me to doopen the closet door so you can see all the skeletons I keep in there? :-) However, I am curious as to your explanation. Do you really believe the Lord does not expect you to keep the commandments? Terry Clifton wrote: Dave wrote: DAVEH: What part of the Law God gave Moses do you think was unkeepable, Terry? == Since Paul says that if you break one law you have broken the whole law, I would say the whole law was unkeepable. If I were a Jew living under the law, I would have broken most of them. If I were under that law today I would have broken most of them. Thank God, I am not under the law. How many of them do you keep? -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.
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Dave wrote: DAVEH: Ohhh Terry.what do you want me to doopen the closet door so you can see all the skeletons I keep in there? :-) However, I am curious as to your explanation. Do you really believe the Lord does not expect you to keep the commandments? === If by commandments you mean the six hundred plus laws found in Leviticus, then my answer is no. Those commandments were for the Children of Israel (Lev.22:34). They were never given to me or any other Gentile that was not a Jewish prosylite. I try to follow the instructions given by my Lord Jesus. There are two, and they cover all the moral law, to a greater extent than the Mosaic law ever did. The first is love God with all your heart, all your mind, everything you've got.. The second is love your neighbor as yourself. If I do that, all the Jewish commandments pertaining to moral living will be exceeded. I will not only not commit adultery with my neighbors wife; I won't even think about commiting adultery with my neighbor's wife. By keeping the same command, I will not steal fron him or lie about him or lust after his possessions. If he needs help I will help him as well as I can, just as I would hope that he would do for me, but even if he never offers to help me, no matter how great my need, I am still to love him and help where I can. I am to give, expecting nothing in return. Seems simple enough, huh, yet every Christian that I have ever met has broken both of those commands. If I serve self instead of serving the Lord, even once, I have broken the first command, and if I don't go the extra mile, turn the other cheek, and give the shirt off my back, I have broken the second. It is a good thing to have a Savior. Terry
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SO you keep them Dave? All of them? If your boss gave you 10 instructions to follow every day at work, would you expect employee of the month for keeping just 8?Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: DAVEH: Ohhh Terry.what do you want me to doopen the closet door so you can see all the skeletons I keep in there? :-) However, I am curious as to your explanation. Do you really believe the Lord does not expect you to keep the commandments? Terry Clifton wrote: Dave wrote: DAVEH: What part of the Law God gave Moses do you think was unkeepable, Terry? ==Since Paul says that if you break one law you have broken the whole law, I would say the whole law was unkeepable. If I were a Jew living under the law, I would have broken most of them. If I were under that law today I would have broken most of them. Thank God, I am not under the law.How many of them do you keep?-- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS. __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [TruthTalk] Keeping the Commandments
PMFBI Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this [is] the whole [duty] of man. ECC 12:13 Was Solomon stupid? --Marlin - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 8:29 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Keeping the Commandments SO you keep them Dave? All of them? If your boss gave you 10 instructions to follow every day at work, would you expect employee of the month for keeping just 8?Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: DAVEH: Ohhh Terry.what do you want me to doopen the closet door so you can see all the skeletons I keep in there? :-) However, I am curious as to your explanation. Do you really believe the Lord does not expect you to keep the commandments? Terry Clifton wrote: Dave wrote: DAVEH: What part of the Law God gave Moses do you think was unkeepable, Terry? ==Since Paul says that if you break one law you have broken the whole law, I would say the whole law was unkeepable. If I were a Jew living under the law, I would have broken most of them. If I were under that law today I would have broken most of them. Thank God, I am not under the law.How many of them do you keep?-- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS. __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [TruthTalk] Keeping the Commandments
Early on or at the end -Original Message-From: Marlin halverson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 08:51:32 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Keeping the Commandments PMFBI Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this [is] the whole [duty] of man. ECC 12:13 Was Solomon stupid? --Marlin - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 8:29 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Keeping the Commandments SO you keep them Dave? All of them? If your boss gave you 10 instructions to follow every day at work, would you expect employee of the month for keeping just 8?Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: DAVEH: Ohhh Terry.what do you want me to doopen the closet door so you can see all the skeletons I keep in there? :-) However, I am curious as to your explanation. Do you really believe the Lord does not expect you to keep the commandments? Terry Clifton wrote: Dave wrote: DAVEH: What part of the Law God gave Moses do you think was unkeepable, Terry? ==Since Paul says that if you break one law you have broken the whole law, I would say the whole law was unkeepable. If I were a Jew living under the law, I would have broken most of them. If I were under that law today I would have broken most of them. Thank God, I am not under the law.How many of them do you keep?-- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS. __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [TruthTalk] Keeping the Commandments
Marlin halverson wrote: PMFBI Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this [is] the whole [duty] of man. ECC 12:13 Was Solomon stupid? --Marlin = Soloman was most definetly stupid. He started out on good terms with God and ended up worshipping idols. God gave him wisdom. He did not use it. Terry
Re: [TruthTalk] Keeping the Commandments
"...God gave him wisdom. He did not use it." Terry So did he fail to heed the conclusion of the matter? Marlin - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Keeping the Commandments Marlin halverson wrote: PMFBI Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this [is] the whole [duty] of man. ECC 12:13 Was Solomon stupid? --Marlin =Soloman was most definetly stupid. He started out on good terms with God and ended up worshipping idols. God gave him wisdom. He did not use it.Terry
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He was not under grace and knew very little of it. His God was not personal -- "fatherhood" was not the emphasis. Adoptive-sonship (we all do believe in that, don't we??) was unknown to him. His judgements -- the judgments of God were physical ones. Adam and Eve were driven from the Garden -- not sent to hell. That sort of thing. JD -Original Message-From: Marlin halverson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 12:22:03 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Keeping the Commandments "...God gave him wisdom. He did not use it." Terry So did he fail to heed the conclusion of the matter? Marlin - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Keeping the Commandments Marlin halverson wrote: PMFBI Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this [is] the whole [duty] of man. ECC 12:13 Was Solomon stupid? --Marlin =Soloman was most definetly stupid. He started out on good terms with God and ended up worshipping idols. God gave him wisdom. He did not use it.Terry
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Yes, the choices he made for his own life were
stupid. He lost the kingdom and his children suffered
for them, but his writings were inspired by the same
Spirit who inspired the rest of scripture. judyt
On Sun, 3 Jul 2005 08:51:32 -0400 "Marlin halverson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
PMFBI
Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear
God, and keep his commandments: for this [is] the whole [duty] of man.
ECC 12:13
Was Solomon stupid?
--Marlin
- Original Message -
From:
Kevin Deegan
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 8:29
AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Keeping the
Commandments
SO you keep them Dave?
All of them?
If your boss gave you 10 instructions to
follow every day at work, would you expect employee of the month for keeping
just 8?Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
DAVEH:
Ohhh Terry.what do you want me to doopen the closet door so
you can see all the skeletons I keep in
there? :-)
However, I am curious as to your explanation. Do you really believe
the Lord does not expect you to keep the commandments? Terry
Clifton wrote:
Dave wrote:
DAVEH: What part of the Law God gave Moses do
you think was unkeepable, Terry?
==Since
Paul says that if you break one law you have broken the whole law, I
would say the whole law was unkeepable. If I were a Jew living
under the law, I would have broken most of them. If I were under
that law today I would have broken most of them. Thank God, I am
not under the law.How many of them do you
keep?--
~~~
Dave Hansen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.langlitz.com
~~~
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So what, may I ask? !! There is a big difference between "inspiration" and "revelation." JD -Original Message-From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 14:56:05 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Keeping the Commandments Yes, the choices he made for his own life were stupid. He lost the kingdom and his children suffered for them, but his writings were inspired by the same Spirit who inspired the rest of scripture. judyt On Sun, 3 Jul 2005 08:51:32 -0400 "Marlin halverson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: PMFBI Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this [is] the whole [duty] of man. ECC 12:13 Was Solomon stupid? --Marlin - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 8:29 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Keeping the Commandments SO you keep them Dave? All of them? If your boss gave you 10 instructions to follow every day at work, would you expect employee of the month for keeping just 8?Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: DAVEH: Ohhh Terry.what do you want me to doopen the closet door so you can see all the skeletons I keep in there? :-) However, I am curious as to your explanation. Do you really believe the Lord does not expect you to keep the commandments? Terry Clifton wrote: Dave wrote: DAVEH: What part of the Law God gave Moses do you think was unkeepable, Terry? ==Since Paul says that if you break one law you have broken the whole law, I would say the whole law was unkeepable. If I were a Jew living under the law, I would have broken most of them. If I were under that law today I would have broken most of them. Thank God, I am not under the law.How many of them do you keep?-- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS. __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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JD are you saying that Solomon didn't understand what
he was writing?
He apparently understood when he asked God for wisdom
rather than riches and God was pleased with his choice.
To me it seems he was tripped by the same lust that got
hold of his father; David repented but Solomon didn't know
when to quit and kept on with it. jt
On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 15:58:29 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
So what, may I ask? !! There is a big difference
between "inspiration" and "revelation."
JD From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Yes, the choices he made for his own life were
stupid. He lost the kingdom and his children suffered
for them, but his writings were inspired by the same
Spirit who inspired the rest of scripture. judyt
On Sun, 3 Jul 2005 08:51:32 -0400 "Marlin halverson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
PMFBI
Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear
God, and keep his commandments: for this [is] the whole [duty] of
man. ECC 12:13
Was Solomon stupid?
--Marlin
- Original Message -
From:
Kevin
Deegan
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 8:29
AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Keeping the
Commandments
SO you keep them Dave?
All of them?
If your boss gave you 10 instructions to
follow every day at work, would you expect employee of the month for
keeping just 8?Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
DAVEH:
Ohhh Terry.what do you want me to doopen the closet door so
you can see all the skeletons I keep in
there? :-)
However, I am curious as to your explanation. Do you really
believe the Lord does not expect you to keep the commandments?
Terry Clifton wrote:
Dave
wrote:
DAVEH: What part of the Law God gave Moses
do you think was unkeepable, Terry?
==Since
Paul says that if you break one law you have broken the whole law, I
would say the whole law was unkeepable. If I were a Jew living
under the law, I would have broken most of them. If I were under
that law today I would have broken most of them. Thank God, I am
not under the law.How many of them do you
keep?--
~~~
Dave Hansen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.langlitz.com
~~~
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Re: [TruthTalk] Keeping the Commandments
No, not at all. You do not see a differecne between "inpsiration" and (a) "revealtion?" There were, of course, some things the ancients did not undersand when it was written. I do not think that whoever wrote Gen 15 understaood that the seed of Abraham was Jesus Christ -- God on eath. -Original Message-From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 16:11:13 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Keeping the Commandments JD are you saying that Solomon didn't understand what he was writing? He apparently understood when he asked God for wisdom rather than riches and God was pleased with his choice. To me it seems he was tripped by the same lust that got hold of his father; David repented but Solomon didn't know when to quit and kept on with it. jt On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 15:58:29 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So what, may I ask? !! There is a big difference between "inspiration" and "revelation." JD From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yes, the choices he made for his own life were stupid. He lost the kingdom and his children suffered for them, but his writings were inspired by the same Spirit who inspired the rest of scripture. judyt On Sun, 3 Jul 2005 08:51:32 -0400 "Marlin halverson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: PMFBI Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this [is] the whole [duty] of man. ECC 12:13 Was Solomon stupid? --Marlin - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 8:29 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Keeping the Commandments SO you keep them Dave? All of them? If your boss gave you 10 instructions to follow every day at work, would you expect employee of the month for keeping just 8?Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: DAVEH: Ohhh Terry.what do you want me to doopen the closet door so you can see all the skeletons I keep in there? :-) However, I am curious as to your explanation. Do you really believe the Lord does not expect you to keep the commandments? Terry Clifton wrote: Dave wrote: DAVEH: What part of the Law God gave Moses do you think was unkeepable, Terry? ==Since Paul says that if you break one law you have broken the whole law, I would say the whole law was unkeepable. If I were a Jew living under the law, I would have broken most of them. If I were under that law today I would have broken most of them. Thank God, I am not under the law.How many of them do you keep?-- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS. __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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I agree with you here, Judy, and what's more, I think it is a pretty significant statement about the people God chooses to speak through, and shows why ad hominem arguments are without value. I guess this means we have to stop invoking the [alleged] carnality of everybody in the 4th century as grounds that we can dismiss what they said. Smiley. Debbie - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 2:56 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Keeping the Commandments Yes, the choices he made for his own life were stupid. He lost the kingdom and his children suffered for them, but his writings were inspired by the same Spirit who inspired the rest of scripture. judyt On Sun, 3 Jul 2005 08:51:32 -0400 "Marlin halverson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: PMFBI Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this [is] the whole [duty] of man. ECC 12:13 Was Solomon stupid? --Marlin - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 8:29 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Keeping the Commandments SO you keep them Dave? All of them? If your boss gave you 10 instructions to follow every day at work, would you expect employee of the month for keeping just 8?Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: DAVEH: Ohhh Terry.what do you want me to doopen the closet door so you can see all the skeletons I keep in there? :-) However, I am curious as to your explanation. Do you really believe the Lord does not expect you to keep the commandments? Terry Clifton wrote: Dave wrote: DAVEH: What part of the Law God gave Moses do you think was unkeepable, Terry? ==Since Paul says that if you break one law you have broken the whole law, I would say the whole law was unkeepable. If I were a Jew living under the law, I would have broken most of them. If I were under that law today I would have broken most of them. Thank God, I am not under the law.How many of them do you keep?-- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS. __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [TruthTalk] Keeping the Commandments
Yes, I understand the difference between "inspiration"
and "revelation" however I don't believe this was the
problem with Solomon. The law was not lost in his
generation and he had access to the direction given for
kings in Deuteronomy 17:14-20. I don't know if he
had his own personal copy as instructed but we can see
by his life that he did everything opposite to what was
instructed - Solomon multiplied horses, silver and gold,
and women. He did it all and I don't believe that
with all that wisdom he didn't know what he was doing. He
was an early disciple of Frank
Sinatra. jt
On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 16:25:05 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
No, not at all. You do not see a differecne between
"inpsiration" and (a) "revealtion?"
There were, of course, some things the ancients did not undersand when it
was written. I do not think that whoever wrote Gen 15 understaood
that the seed of Abraham was Jesus Christ -- God on
eath.
From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
JD are you saying that Solomon didn't understand what
he was writing?
He apparently understood when he asked God for wisdom
rather than riches and God was pleased with his choice.
To me it seems he was tripped by the same lust that
got hold of his father; David repented but Solomon didn't know
when to quit and kept on with it.
jt
On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 15:58:29 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
So what, may I ask? !! There is a big difference
between "inspiration" and "revelation."
JD From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Yes, the choices he made for his own life were
stupid. He lost the kingdom and his children suffered
for them, but his writings were inspired by the
same Spirit who inspired the rest of scripture. judyt
On Sun, 3 Jul 2005 08:51:32 -0400 "Marlin halverson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
PMFBI
Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter:
Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this [is] the whole [duty] of
man. ECC 12:13
Was Solomon stupid?
--Marlin
- Original Message -
From:
Kevin Deegan
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 8:29
AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Keeping
the Commandments
SO you keep them Dave?
All of them?
If your boss gave you 10 instructions to
follow every day at work, would you expect employee of the month for
keeping just 8?Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
DAVEH:
Ohhh Terry.what do you want me to doopen the closet door
so you can see all the skeletons I keep in
there? :-)
However, I am curious as to your explanation. Do you really
believe the Lord does not expect you to keep the commandments?
Terry Clifton wrote:
Dave
wrote:
DAVEH: What part of the Law God gave Moses
do you think was unkeepable, Terry?
==Since
Paul says that if you break one law you have broken the whole law, I
would say the whole law was unkeepable. If I were a Jew living
under the law, I would have broken most of them. If I were
under that law today I would have broken most of them. Thank
God, I am not under the law.How many of them do you
keep?--
~~~
Dave Hansen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.langlitz.com
~~~
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Re: [TruthTalk] Keeping the Commandments
Marlin halverson wrote: "...God gave him wisdom. He did not use it." Terry So did he fail to heed the conclusion of the matter? Marlin == Not certain what you are asking, Marlin. If you are suggesting that he finished well, I can find no indication that he might have made it to Heaven anywhere in the Bible. Terry
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The big difference Debbie is that Solomon's writings
are scripture - inspired by God's Spirit and included in
the Hebrew scriptures. The so called church
fathers were living and writing during a very tumultous time in
history
and their writings are not included. I guess God
figured we had enough examples already of what not to do and
the consequences for hard headedness :).
jt
On Sun, 3 Jul 2005 16:30:32 -0400 "Debbie Sawczak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
I agree with you here, Judy, and what's more, I
think it is a pretty significant statement about the people God chooses to
speak through, and shows why ad hominem arguments are without value. I
guess this means we have to stop invoking the [alleged] carnality of everybody
in the 4th century as grounds that we can dismiss what they said.
Smiley.
Debbie
From:
Judy
Taylor
Yes, the choices he made for his own life were
stupid. He lost the kingdom and his children suffered
for them, but his writings were inspired by the
same Spirit who inspired the rest of scripture. judyt
On Sun, 3 Jul 2005 08:51:32 -0400 "Marlin halverson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
PMFBI
Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter:
Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this [is] the whole [duty] of
man. ECC 12:13
Was Solomon stupid?
--Marlin
- Original Message -
From:
Kevin Deegan
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 8:29
AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Keeping
the Commandments
SO you keep them Dave?
All of them?
If your boss gave you 10 instructions to
follow every day at work, would you expect employee of the month for
keeping just 8?Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
DAVEH:
Ohhh Terry.what do you want me to doopen the closet door
so you can see all the skeletons I keep in
there? :-)
However, I am curious as to your explanation. Do you really
believe the Lord does not expect you to keep the commandments?
Terry Clifton wrote:
Dave
wrote:
DAVEH: What part of the Law God gave Moses
do you think was unkeepable, Terry?
==Since
Paul says that if you break one law you have broken the whole law, I
would say the whole law was unkeepable. If I were a Jew living
under the law, I would have broken most of them. If I were
under that law today I would have broken most of them. Thank
God, I am not under the law.How many of them do you
keep?--
~~~
Dave Hansen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.langlitz.com
~~~
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Re: [TruthTalk] Keeping the Commandments
Yes, I understand the difference between "inspiration" and "revelation" however I don't believe this was the problem with Solomon. Neither do I . I was just answering your question about Soloman. The law was not lost in his generation and he had access to the direction given for kings in Deuteronomy 17:14-20. He may have had his own personal "priest, " who knows I don't know if he had his own personal copy as instructed but we can see by his life that he did everything opposite to what was instructed - Solomon multiplied horses, silver and gold, and women. He did it all and I don't believe that with all that wisdom he didn't know what he was doing. He was an early disciple of Frank Sinatra. jt I like it could not agree more. There is an innateness, I believe, that such passages as Phil 2:12,13 appeal to. Frank had something available that perhaps Solomon did not. Isn't it Paul who says that we are "without excuse?"" On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 16:25:05 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No, not at all. You do not see a difference between "inpsiration" and (a) "revealtion?" There were, of course, some things the ancients did not undersand when it was written. I do not think that whoever wrote Gen 15 understaood that the seed of Abraham was Jesus Christ -- God on eath. From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] JD are you saying that Solomon didn't understand what he was writing? He apparently understood when he asked God for wisdom rather than riches and God was pleased with his choice. To me it seems he was tripped by the same lust that got hold of his father; David repented but Solomon didn't know when to quit and kept on with it. jt On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 15:58:29 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So what, may I ask? !! There is a big difference between "inspiration" and "revelation." JD From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yes, the choices he made for his own life were stupid. He lost the kingdom and his children suffered for them, but his writings were inspired by the same Spirit who inspired the rest of scripture. judyt On Sun, 3 Jul 2005 08:51:32 -0400 "Marlin halverson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: PMFBI Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this [is] the whole [duty] of man. ECC 12:13 Was Solomon stupid? --Marlin - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 8:29 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Keeping the Commandments SO you keep them Dave? All of them? If your boss gave you 10 instructions to follow every day at work, would you expect employee of the month for keeping just 8?Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: DAVEH: Ohhh Terry.what do you want me to doopen the closet door so you can see all the skeletons I keep in there? :-) However, I am curious as to your explanation. Do you really believe the Lord does not expect you to keep the commandments? Terry Clifton wrote: Dave wrote: DAVEH: What part of the Law God gave Moses do you think was unkeepable, Terry? ==Since Paul says that if you break one law you have broken the whole law, I would say the whole law was unkeepable. If I were a Jew living under the law, I would have broken most of them. If I were under that law today I would have broken most of them. Thank God, I am not under the law.How many of them do you keep?-- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS. __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: [TruthTalk] Keeping the Commandments
And were his words, chosen by the Lord to become part of His Word, “stupid”? iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlin halverson Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 10:22 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Keeping the Commandments "...God gave him wisdom. He did not use it." Terry So did he fail to heed the conclusion of the matter? Marlin - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Keeping the Commandments Marlin halverson wrote: PMFBI Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this [is] the whole [duty] of man. ECC 12:13 Was Solomon stupid? --Marlin = Soloman was most definetly stupid. He started out on good terms with God and ended up worshipping idols. God gave him wisdom. He did not use it. Terry
RE: [TruthTalk] Keeping the Commandments
And amen to that. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Debbie Sawczak Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 2:31 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Keeping the Commandments I agree with you here, Judy, and what's more, I think it is a pretty significant statement about the people God chooses to speak through, and shows why ad hominem arguments are without value. I guess this means we have to stop invoking the [alleged] carnality of everybody in the 4th century as grounds that we can dismiss what they said. Smiley. Debbie - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 2:56 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Keeping the Commandments Yes, the choices he made for his own life were stupid. He lost the kingdom and his children suffered for them, but his writings were inspired by the same Spirit who inspired the rest of scripture. judyt On Sun, 3 Jul 2005 08:51:32 -0400 "Marlin halverson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: PMFBI Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this [is] the whole [duty] of man. ECC 12:13 Was Solomon stupid? --Marlin - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 8:29 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Keeping the Commandments SO you keep them Dave? All of them? If your boss gave you 10 instructions to follow every day at work, would you expect employee of the month for keeping just 8? Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: DAVEH: Ohhh Terry.what do you want me to doopen the closet door so you can see all the skeletons I keep in there? :-) However, I am curious as to your explanation. Do you really believe the Lord does not expect you to keep the commandments? Terry Clifton wrote: Dave wrote: DAVEH: What part of the Law God gave Moses do you think was unkeepable, Terry? == Since Paul says that if you break one law you have broken the whole law, I would say the whole law was unkeepable. If I were a Jew living under the law, I would have broken most of them. If I were under that law today I would have broken most of them. Thank God, I am not under the law. How many of them do you keep? -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [TruthTalk] Keeping the Commandments
John wrote: > There is a big difference between "inspiration" > and "revelation." Some difference, perhaps, but not a big difference. 1 Corinthians 12:3 (3) Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost. Peace be with you. David Miller. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] Keeping the Commandments
John wrote: > I do not think that whoever wrote Gen 15 > understood that the seed of Abraham was > Jesus Christ -- God on eath. That person who wrote Genesis 15 was Moses, and yes, I think he did understand that it was Jesus Christ. Why doubt that Moses wrote it, and why doubt that Moses knew Jesus Christ face to face? Read John 8:56 for some insight into how Abraham knew of Christ and his day. Living long ago did not mean they were completely without insight into the future. They experienced the revelation of God. Let's not underestimate that. Peace be with you. David Miller. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] Keeping the Commandments
Why this? Your 90% agreement ratio is falling apart My position remains. JD -Original Message-From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 09:45:07 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Keeping the Commandments John wrote: > There is a big difference between "inspiration" > and "revelation." Some difference, perhaps, but not a big difference. 1 Corinthians 12:3 (3) Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost. Peace be with you. David Miller. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] Keeping the Commandments
How is one trained in formal logic so very illogical? Looking forward to another time is not the same as having known Jesus face to face -- a conclusion without any exegetical merit. Moses and Genesis? see a signature somewhere? The reason why we accept this conclusion is because of Church history and oral tradition. Probably, maybe, could be, might be true. It is not an issue but I have presented the best that can be said for this authorship. JD -Original Message-From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 09:49:51 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Keeping the Commandments John wrote: > I do not think that whoever wrote Gen 15 > understood that the seed of Abraham was > Jesus Christ -- God on eath. That person who wrote Genesis 15 was Moses, and yes, I think he did understand that it was Jesus Christ. Why doubt that Moses wrote it, and why doubt that Moses knew Jesus Christ face to face? Read John 8:56 for some insight into how Abraham knew of Christ and his day. Living long ago did not mean they were completely without insight into the future. They experienced the revelation of God. Let's not underestimate that. Peace be with you. David Miller. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] Keeping the Commandments
John wrote: > How is one trained in formal logic so > very illogical? Perhaps you are not considering all the evidence that I am. What appears to you to be illogical is not, but why would it matter to you when you believe that God and the grace of God is illogical? John wrote: > Looking forward to another time is not the same > as having known Jesus face to face -- > a conclusion without any exegetical merit. I never said it was the same. Moses knew Jesus, face to face; that is, he knew the Logos. He did not just look forward to him. In Exodus 24 we can read how Jesus and Moses and more than 70 others dined together. John wrote: > Moses and Genesis? see a signature somewhere? > The reason why we accept this conclusion is because > of Church history and oral tradition. Probably, maybe, > could be, might be true. It is not an issue but I have > presented the best that can be said for this authorship. The best evidence we have for the authorship of Moses is the testimony of Jesus Christ. Don't let the scholars (the scribes of our day) prevent you from recognizing this simple truth. Higher criticism likes to speculate on various authors, but Jesus settles the question for those of us with faith in him. By the way, you talked in a previous post about faith being emotional. I consider all faith based in emotion to be a false faith known as presumption. Faith is based upon knowledge, not emotion. See Romans 10. Faith must have some components of logic and understanding that touch the spirit. The emotional decision making thing has nothing to do with faith unless you are talking about when one is touching knowledge that comes from the spirit rather than through the mind. Peace be with you. David Miller. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] Keeping the Commandments
John wrote: > How is one trained in formal logic so > very illogical? Perhaps you are not considering all the evidence that I am. What appears to you to be illogical is not, but why would it matter to you when you believe that God and the grace of God is illogical?Do you see a difference between "fully comprending" and "logical?" John wrote: > Looking forward to another time is not the same > as having known Jesus face to face -- > a conclusion without any exegetical merit. I never said it was the same. Moses knew Jesus, face to face; that is, he knew the Logos. He did not just look forward to him. In Exodus 24 we can read how Jesus and Moses and more than 70 others dined together.What are you doing, David. Moses did not know Jesus as such. He had no concept of the "Word" as did the Apostle John. John wrote: > Moses and Genesis? see a signature somewhere? > The reason why we accept this conclusion is because > of Church history and oral tradition. Probably, maybe, > could be, might be true. It is not an issue but I have > presented the best that can be said for this authorship. The best evidence we have for the authorship of Moses is the testimony of Jesus Christ. Don't let the scholars (the scribes of our day) prevent you from recognizing this simple truth. Higher criticism likes to speculate on various authors, but Jesus settles the question for those of us with faith in him.In the past, such claims sound good until you actually give a reference. Let's go with a reference that tells us Moses wrote Genesis, (and Exodus and Leviticusand and .) By the way, you talked in a previous post about faith being emotional. I consider all faith based in emotion to be a false faith known as presumption. Faith is based upon knowledge, not emotion. See Romans 10. Faith must have some components of logic and understanding that touch the spirit. The emotional decision making thing has nothing to do with faith unless you are talking about when one is touching knowledge that comes from the spirit rather than through the mind.Paassion and conviction are emotions, David. The guy in Romans 14 has a convictionthat he is doingthe right thing and not much more than that. Peace be with you. David Miller. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
