Re: [TruthTalk] Social concerns and the church
Have you guys figured ot what you are going to DO about all the problems in the world? "Hypocrisy can afford to be magnificent in its promises, for never intending to go beyond promise, it costs nothing" Edmund Burke Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Social concern, then, is a part of our divine imperative. You've lost your moral superiority. You do NOTHING You said it: speech is not followed by action[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pure and undefiled religion is defined by James in terms of two different kinds of activities. One has to do with our relationship to others. A second concern is our relationship to ourselves (Jam 1:27). Only the most thoughtless would believe that our responsibility to others is fulfilled in a "Hi and how are you" to the fatherless or that the fatherless are to be our only concern. And we not much help, in some cases, if we are doing what we can to keep ourselves free of worldly influences. Social concern, then, is a part of our divine imperative. In James, a book written to those who tended towards legalism and the "doing of church," he pointedly reminds his readers that their efforts are good for nothing if their speech is not followed by action. Be thou warmed and fill is a part of the message of the church. But if it is not accompanied with that which is necessary for the health and well-being of the body, their message is of no use (James 2:16,17) The story of the good Samaritan is a story that is all about social responsibilities. It's message is as much for us today as it was 2000 years ago. It is a lie of the Father of Lies to believe and teach that the preaching of repentance is the only evangelical concern of the church. Evangelical, I say, as if social considerations were part of the evangelical outreach of the church. If that is what you thought I had in mind, then I want you to know that, yes, I confirm that impression. God is manifest in us and how we react to the world we live in. That is the example of Christ. Our lives should be lived with His in mind. He fed, perhaps, tens of thousands of people (the loaves and the fishes -- is the count of men only?)A dramatic statement of His concern for the social welfare of the community in which He had influence. His miracles expressed his social concern, as well. And passages such as Is 58:9-11 make it clear that our search for God will not be complete if it does not included an out-pouring for the hungry and the afflicted. I, for one, admit my hypocrisy in this part of the ministry of reconciliation. I have failed in the showing of social concern. The question, ask by others on this in an effort to continue the fight, is nonetheless, a good questionwhat are we going to do about the suffering of those not so white and not so rich? I do not know. I am just now asking myself this question. And there will be an answer. there is too much in scripture for me to deny. A change of mind, for me, is in order and I appreciate Lance and Gary having things to say on this subject that have brought me to this moment. Grace to you who know not grace, Peace to you who know not peace, Love to those who show no love and mercy upon us all Jd __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: [TruthTalk] Social concerns and the church
Since when is Yiddish carnal??? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 10:21 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Social concerns and the church kvetching -- keep pushing that carnal of the flesh envelope., Izzy. -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 20:08:13 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Social concerns and the church Easy for you to SAY, You DO Nothing but hear deceiving yourself.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A geat resport!! When you can't walk on water, you had better be in the boat. Glad you are aborad -- Jd -Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 07:55:14 -0500Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Social concerns and the church JD, it seems that the ones who do the most kvetching about others not helping the poor and being socially responsible are the ones who talk, talk, talk, but do little if anything. I?ve been waiting for a day now for a sincere suggestion from kvetching Lance and kvetching JD on what I personally can do to cure the problems in the Congo, but when the rubber meets the road there is only more kvetching or silence. Meanwhile, yesterday I cooked and sent a pot of soup and a big bowl of chicken salad to a neighbor who has guests in her home for the week. While I was quilting I saw that the two big dogs belonging to one of my lesbian neighbors were loose, and I stopped everything and went outside and made sure her dogs got back safely into her yard and talked to her for a while. Today someone from our church is arriving with a truck to pick up 3 pieces of furniture to deliver to a woman who needs furniture for her family. Our church routinely completely re-habs and refurnishes homes for the poor who need it?often poor black women fresh out of prison for doing drugs or theft who are trying to start their lives over. They are given a beautiful home, yardwork, furniture, clothing, and whatever else they need. Last Christmas my husband and I decided that instead of giving each other gifts we would provide Chr istmas for a needy family, and many others in our church did also. They are rarely ever members of our church, but just someone that someone heard about. I could bore you for hours with everything our benevolence ministry has done like that. We help those that God puts in front of us. We do what we can, and we trust Him to provide where we can?t. We work quietly as unto the Lord for our own and for others. And we don?t kvetch. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 12:40 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Social concerns and the church Pure and undefiled religion is defined by James in terms of two different kinds of activities. One has to do with our relationship to others. A second concern is our relationship to ourselves (Jam 1:27). Only the most thoughtless would believe that our responsibility to others is fulfilled in a "Hi and how are you" to the fatherless or that the fatherless are to be our only concern. And we not much help, in some cases, if we are doing what we can to keep ourselves free of worldly influences. Social concern, then, is a part of our divine imperative. In James, a book written to those who tended towards legalism and the "doing of church," he pointedly reminds his readers that their efforts are good for nothing if their speech is not followed by action. Be thou warmed and fill is a part of the message of the church. But if it is not accompanied with that which is necessary for the health and well-being of the body, their message is of no use (James 2:16,17) The story of the good Samaritan is a story that is all about social responsibilities. It's message is as much for us today as it was 2000 years ago. It is a lie of the Father of Lies to believe and teach that the preaching of repentance is the only evangelical concern of the church. Evangelical, I say, as if social considerations were part of the evangelical outreach of the church. If that is what you thought I had in mind, then I want you to know that, yes, I confirm that impression. God is manifest in us and how we react to the world we live in. That is the example of Christ. Our lives should be lived with His in mind. He fed, perhaps, tens of thousands of people (the loaves and the fishes -
Re: [TruthTalk] Social concerns and the church
kvetching -- keep pushing that carnal of the flesh envelope., Izzy. -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 20:08:13 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Social concerns and the church Easy for you to SAY, You DO Nothing but hear deceiving yourself.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A geat resport!! When you can't walk on water, you had better be in the boat. Glad you are aborad -- Jd -Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 07:55:14 -0500Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Social concerns and the church JD, it seems that the ones who do the most kvetching about others not helping the poor and being socially responsible are the ones who talk, talk, talk, but do little if anything. I?ve been waiting for a day now for a sincere suggestion from kvetching Lance and kvetching JD on what I personally can do to cure the problems in the Congo, but when the rubber meets the road there is only more kvetching or silence. Meanwhile, yesterday I cooked and sent a pot of soup and a big bowl of chicken salad to a neighbor who has guests in her home for the week. While I was quilting I saw that the two big dogs belonging to one of my lesbian neighbors were loose, and I stopped everything and went outside and made sure her dogs got back safely into her yard and talked to her for a while. Today someone from our church is arriving with a truck to pick up 3 pieces of furniture to deliver to a woman who needs furniture for her family. Our church routinely completely re-habs and refurnishes homes for the poor who need it?often poor black women fresh out of prison for doing drugs or theft who are trying to start their lives over. They are given a beautiful home, yardwork, furniture, clothing, and whatever else they need. Last Christmas my husband and I decided that instead of giving each other gifts we would provide Chr istmas for a needy family, and many others in our church did also. They are rarely ever members of our church, but just someone that someone heard about. I could bore you for hours with everything our benevolence ministry has done like that. We help those that God puts in front of us. We do what we can, and we trust Him to provide where we can?t. We work quietly as unto the Lord for our own and for others. And we don?t kvetch. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 12:40 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Social concerns and the church Pure and undefiled religion is defined by James in terms of two different kinds of activities. One has to do with our relationship to others. A second concern is our relationship to ourselves (Jam 1:27). Only the most thoughtless would believe that our responsibility to others is fulfilled in a "Hi and how are you" to the fatherless or that the fatherless are to be our only concern. And we not much help, in some cases, if we are doing what we can to keep ourselves free of worldly influences. Social concern, then, is a part of our divine imperative. In James, a book written to those who tended towards legalism and the "doing of church," he pointedly reminds his readers that their efforts are good for nothing if their speech is not followed by action. Be thou warmed and fill is a part of the message of the church. But if it is not accompanied with that which is necessary for the health and well-being of the body, their message is of no use (James 2:16,17) The story of the good Samaritan is a story that is all about social responsibilities. It's message is as much for us today as it was 2000 years ago. It is a lie of the Father of Lies to believe and teach that the preaching of repentance is the only evangelical concern of the church. Evangelical, I say, as if social considerations were part of the evangelical outreach of the church. If that is what you thought I had in mind, then I want you to know that, yes, I confirm that impression. God is manifest in us and how we react to the world we live in. That is the example of Christ. Our lives should be lived with His in mind. He fed, perhaps, tens of thousands of people (the loaves and the fishes -- is the count of men only?)A dramatic statement of His concern for the social welfare of the community in which He had influence. His miracles expressed his social concern, as well. And passages such as Is 58:9-11 make it clear that our search for God will not be complete if it does not included an out-pouring for the hungry and the afflicted. I, for one, admit my hypocrisy in this part of the ministry of reconciliation. I have failed in the showing of social concern. The question, ask by others on this in an ef
Re: [TruthTalk] Social concerns and the church
My actions speak louder than your words[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You got me. I do next to nothing in this regard. I care about moral superiorty as much as you care about loving the brethren. JD -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 19:40:30 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Social concerns and the church Social concern, then, is a part of our divine imperative. You've lost your moral superiority. You do NOTHING You said it: speech is not followed by action[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pure and undefiled religion is defined by James in terms of two different kinds of activities. One has to do with our relationship to others. A second concern is our relationship to ourselves (Jam 1:27). Only the most thoughtless would believe that our responsibility to others is fulfilled in a "Hi and how are you" to the fatherless or that the fatherless are to be our only concern. And we not much help, in some cases, if we are doing what we can to keep ourselves free of worldly influences. Social concern, then, is a part of our divine imperative. In James, a book written to those who tended towards legalism and the "doing of church," he pointedly reminds his readers that their efforts are good for nothing if their speech is not followed by action. Be thou warmed and fill is a part of the message of the church. But if it is not accompanied with that which is necessary for the health and well-being of the body, their message is of no use (James 2:16,17) The story of the good Samaritan is a story that is all about social responsibilities. It's message is as much for us today as it was 2000 years ago. It is a lie of the Father of Lies to believe and teach that the preaching of repentance is the only evangelical concern of the church. Evangelical, I say, as if social considerations were part of the evangelical outreach of the church. If that is what you thought I had in mind, then I want you to know that, yes, I confirm that impression. God is manifest in us and how we react to the world we live in. That is the example of Christ. Our lives should be lived with His in mind. He fed, perhaps, tens of thousands of people (the loaves and the fishes -- is the count of men only?)A dramatic statement of His concern for the social welfare of the community in which He had influence. His miracles expressed his social concern, as well. And passages such as Is 58:9-11 make it clear that our search for God will not be complete if it does not included an out-pouring for the hungry and the afflicted. I, for one, admit my hypocrisy in this part of the ministry of reconciliation. I have failed in the showing of social concern. The question, ask by others on this in an effort to continue the fight, is nonetheless, a good questionwhat are we going to do about the suffering of those not so white and not so rich? I do not know. I am just now asking myself this question. And there will be an answer. there is too much in scripture for me to deny. A change of mind, for me, is in order and I appreciate Lance and Gary having things to say on this subject that have brought me to this moment. Grace to you who know not grace, Peace to you who know not peace, Love to those who show no love and mercy upon us all Jd __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [TruthTalk] Social concerns and the church
You got me. I do next to nothing in this regard. I care about moral superiorty as much as you care about loving the brethren. JD -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 19:40:30 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Social concerns and the church Social concern, then, is a part of our divine imperative. You've lost your moral superiority. You do NOTHING You said it: speech is not followed by action[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pure and undefiled religion is defined by James in terms of two different kinds of activities. One has to do with our relationship to others. A second concern is our relationship to ourselves (Jam 1:27). Only the most thoughtless would believe that our responsibility to others is fulfilled in a "Hi and how are you" to the fatherless or that the fatherless are to be our only concern. And we not much help, in some cases, if we are doing what we can to keep ourselves free of worldly influences. Social concern, then, is a part of our divine imperative. In James, a book written to those who tended towards legalism and the "doing of church," he pointedly reminds his readers that their efforts are good for nothing if their speech is not followed by action. Be thou warmed and fill is a part of the message of the church. But if it is not accompanied with that which is necessary for the health and well-being of the body, their message is of no use (James 2:16,17) The story of the good Samaritan is a story that is all about social responsibilities. It's message is as much for us today as it was 2000 years ago. It is a lie of the Father of Lies to believe and teach that the preaching of repentance is the only evangelical concern of the church. Evangelical, I say, as if social considerations were part of the evangelical outreach of the church. If that is what you thought I had in mind, then I want you to know that, yes, I confirm that impression. God is manifest in us and how we react to the world we live in. That is the example of Christ. Our lives should be lived with His in mind. He fed, perhaps, tens of thousands of people (the loaves and the fishes -- is the count of men only?)A dramatic statement of His concern for the social welfare of the community in which He had influence. His miracles expressed his social concern, as well. And passages such as Is 58:9-11 make it clear that our search for God will not be complete if it does not included an out-pouring for the hungry and the afflicted. I, for one, admit my hypocrisy in this part of the ministry of reconciliation. I have failed in the showing of social concern. The question, ask by others on this in an effort to continue the fight, is nonetheless, a good questionwhat are we going to do about the suffering of those not so white and not so rich? I do not know. I am just now asking myself this question. And there will be an answer. there is too much in scripture for me to deny. A change of mind, for me, is in order and I appreciate Lance and Gary having things to say on this subject that have brought me to this moment. Grace to you who know not grace, Peace to you who know not peace, Love to those who show no love and mercy upon us all Jd __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: [TruthTalk] Social concerns and the church
Do guilt trip, then volunteer your moneyShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Lets seeif America is already giving double what everyone else is, they want it doubled again??? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 10:10 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Social concerns and the church U.S. Challenged to Increase Aid to Africa By CELIA W. DUGGER Published: June 5, 2005 :: ©NYTimes.com "A powerful consensus is building for a doubling of aid to Africa among the world's heavyweight donors, except the United States, a divide that is likely to come into sharp relief this week .." http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/05/international/05poverty.html?ex=1118635200&en=c4c2d6a2eafcd4f4&ei=5070&emc=eta1 -- On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 11:45:55 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..passages such as Is 58:9-11 make it clear that our search for God will not be complete if it does not included an out-pouring for the hungry and the afflicted. || Discover Yahoo! Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing & more. Check it out!
Re: [TruthTalk] Social concerns and the church
Easy for you to SAY, You DO Nothing but hear deceiving yourself.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A geat resport!! When you can't walk on water, you had better be in the boat. Glad you are aborad -- Jd -Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 07:55:14 -0500Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Social concerns and the church JD, it seems that the ones who do the most kvetching about others not helping the poor and being socially responsible are the ones who talk, talk, talk, but do little if anything. I?ve been waiting for a day now for a sincere suggestion from kvetching Lance and kvetching JD on what I personally can do to cure the problems in the Congo, but when the rubber meets the road there is only more kvetching or silence. Meanwhile, yesterday I cooked and sent a pot of soup and a big bowl of chicken salad to a neighbor who has guests in her home for the week. While I was quilting I saw that the two big dogs belonging to one of my lesbian neighbors were loose, and I stopped everything and went outside and made sure her dogs got back safely into her yard and talked to her for a while. Today someone from our church is arriving with a truck to pick up 3 pieces of furniture to deliver to a woman who needs furniture for her family. Our church routinely completely re-habs and refurnishes homes for the poor who need it?often poor black women fresh out of prison for doing drugs or theft who are trying to start their lives over. They are given a beautiful home, yardwork, furniture, clothing, and whatever else they need. Last Christmas my husband and I decided that instead of giving each other gifts we would provide Chr istmas for a needy family, and many others in our church did also. They are rarely ever members of our church, but just someone that someone heard about. I could bore you for hours with everything our benevolence ministry has done like that. We help those that God puts in front of us. We do what we can, and we trust Him to provide where we can?t. We work quietly as unto the Lord for our own and for others. And we don?t kvetch. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 12:40 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Social concerns and the church Pure and undefiled religion is defined by James in terms of two different kinds of activities. One has to do with our relationship to others. A second concern is our relationship to ourselves (Jam 1:27). Only the most thoughtless would believe that our responsibility to others is fulfilled in a "Hi and how are you" to the fatherless or that the fatherless are to be our only concern. And we not much help, in some cases, if we are doing what we can to keep ourselves free of worldly influences. Social concern, then, is a part of our divine imperative. In James, a book written to those who tended towards legalism and the "doing of church," he pointedly reminds his readers that their efforts are good for nothing if their speech is not followed by action. Be thou warmed and fill is a part of the message of the church. But if it is not accompanied with that which is necessary for the health and well-being of the body, their message is of no use (James 2:16,17) The story of the good Samaritan is a story that is all about social responsibilities. It's message is as much for us today as it was 2000 years ago. It is a lie of the Father of Lies to believe and teach that the preaching of repentance is the only evangelical concern of the church. Evangelical, I say, as if social considerations were part of the evangelical outreach of the church. If that is what you thought I had in mind, then I want you to know that, yes, I confirm that impression. God is manifest in us and how we react to the world we live in. That is the example of Christ. Our lives should be lived with His in mind. He fed, perhaps, tens of thousands of people (the loaves and the fishes -- is the count of men only?)A dramatic statement of His concern for the social welfare of the community in which He had influence. His miracles expressed his social concern, as well. And passages such as Is 58:9-11 make it clear that our search for God will not be complete if it does not included an out-pouring for the hungry and the afflicted. I, for one, admit my hypocrisy in this part of the ministry of reconciliation. I have failed in the showing of social concern. The question, ask by others on this in an effort to continue the fight, is nonetheless, a good question..what are we going to do about the suffering of those not so white and not so rich? I do not know. I am just now asking myself this question. And there will be an answer. there is too much in scripture for me to
RE: [TruthTalk] Social concerns and the church
We need to help others! Lets use your money!ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: JD, it seems that the ones who do the most kvetching about others not helping the poor and being socially responsible are the ones who talk, talk, talk, but do little if anything. Ive been waiting for a day now for a sincere suggestion from kvetching Lance and kvetching JD on what I personally can do to cure the problems in the Congo, but when the rubber meets the road there is only more kvetching or silence. Meanwhile, yesterday I cooked and sent a pot of soup and a big bowl of chicken salad to a neighbor who has guests in her home for the week. While I was quilting I saw that the two big dogs belonging to one of my lesbian neighbors were loose, and I stopped everything and went outside and made sure her dogs got back safely into her yard and talked to her for a while. Today someone from our church is arriving with a truck to pick up 3 pieces of furniture to deliver to a woman who needs furniture for her family. Our church routinely completely re-habs and refurnishes homes for the poor who need itoften poor black women fresh out of prison for doing drugs or theft who are trying to start their lives over. They are given a beautiful home, yardwork, furniture, clothing, and whatever else they need. Last Christmas my husband and I decided that instead of giving each other gifts we would provide Christmas for a needy family, and many others in our church did also. They are rarely ever members of our church, but just someone that someone heard about. I could bore you for hours with everything our benevolence ministry has done like that. We help those that God puts in front of us. We do what we can, and we trust Him to provide where we cant. We work quietly as unto the Lord for our own and for others. And we dont kvetch. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 12:40 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Social concerns and the church Pure and undefiled religion is defined by James in terms of two different kinds of activities. One has to do with our relationship to others. A second concern is our relationship to ourselves (Jam 1:27). Only the most thoughtless would believe that our responsibility to others is fulfilled in a "Hi and how are you" to the fatherless or that the fatherless are to be our only concern. And we not much help, in some cases, if we are doing what we can to keep ourselves free of worldly influences. Social concern, then, is a part of our divine imperative. In James, a book written to those who tended towards legalism and the "doing of church," he pointedly reminds his readers that their efforts are good for nothing if their speech is not followed by action. Be thou warmed and fill is a part of the message of the church. But if it is not accompanied with that which is necessary for the health and well-being of the body, their message is of no use (James 2:16,17) The story of the good Samaritan is a story that is all about social responsibilities. It's message is as much for us today as it was 2000 years ago. It is a lie of the Father of Lies to believe and teach that the preaching of repentance is the only evangelical concern of the church. Evangelical, I say, as if social considerations were part of the evangelical outreach of the church. If that is what you thought I had in mind, then I want you to know that, yes, I confirm that impression. God is manifest in us and how we react to the world we live in. That is the example of Christ. Our lives should be lived with His in mind. He fed, perhaps, tens of thousands of people (the loaves and the fishes -- is the count of men only?)A dramatic statement of His concern for the social welfare of the community in which He had influence. His miracles expressed his social concern, as well. And passages such as Is 58:9-11 make it clear that our search for God will not be complete if it does not included an out-pouring for the hungry and the afflicted. I, for one, admit my hypocrisy in this part of the ministry of reconciliation. I have failed in the showing of social concern. The question, ask by others on this in an effort to continue the fight, is nonetheless, a good questionwhat are we going to do about the suffering of those not so white and not so rich? I do not know. I am just now asking myself this question. And there will be an answer. there is too much in scripture for me to deny. A change of mind, for me, is in order and I appreciate Lance and Gary having things to say on this subject that have brought me to this moment. Grace to you who know not grace, Peace to you who know not peace, Love to those who show no love and mercy upon us all Jd
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Oh, sure, we have bottomless pockets. And we know the UN would never do anything underhanded with our money! Let’s give it all to Kofi Anan. Why the heck not??? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 1:15 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Social concerns and the church Is there a good reason why not? JD -Original Message- From: ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 12:23:57 -0500 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Social concerns and the church Let's see-if America is already giving double what everyone else is, they want it doubled again??? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 10:10 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Social concerns and the church U.S. Challenged to Increase Aid to Africa By CELIA W. DUGGER Published: June 5, 2005 :: ©NYTimes.com "A powerful consensus is building for a doubling of aid to Africa among the world's heavyweight donors, except the United States, a divide that is likely to come into sharp relief this week .." http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/05/international/05poverty.html?ex18635200&enÄc2d6a2eafcd4f4&eiP70&emc=eta1 -- On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 11:45:55 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..passages such as Is 58:9-11 make it clear that our search for God will not be complete if it does not included an out-pouring for the hungry and the afflicted. ||
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the ones who do the most kvetching about others not helping the poor and being socially responsible are the ones who talk, talk, talk, but do little if anything. That is because their conscience is bearing witness to them Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;) Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: JD, it seems that the ones who do the most kvetching about others not helping the poor and being socially responsible are the ones who talk, talk, talk, but do little if anything. Ive been waiting for a day now for a sincere suggestion from kvetching Lance and kvetching JD on what I personally can do to cure the problems in the Congo, but when the rubber meets the road there is only more kvetching or silence. Meanwhile, yesterday I cooked and sent a pot of soup and a big bowl of chicken salad to a neighbor who has guests in her home for the week. While I was quilting I saw that the two big dogs belonging to one of my lesbian neighbors were loose, and I stopped everything and went outside and made sure her dogs got back safely into her yard and talked to her for a while. Today someone from our church is arriving with a truck to pick up 3 pieces of furniture to deliver to a woman who needs furniture for her family. Our church routinely completely re-habs and refurnishes homes for the poor who need itoften poor black women fresh out of prison for doing drugs or theft who are trying to start their lives over. They are given a beautiful home, yardwork, furniture, clothing, and whatever else they need. Last Christmas my husband and I decided that instead of giving each other gifts we would provide Christmas for a needy family, and many others in our church did also. They are rarely ever members of our church, but just someone that someone heard about. I could bore you for hours with everything our benevolence ministry has done like that. We help those that God puts in front of us. We do what we can, and we trust Him to provide where we cant. We work quietly as unto the Lord for our own and for others. And we dont kvetch. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 12:40 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Social concerns and the church Pure and undefiled religion is defined by James in terms of two different kinds of activities. One has to do with our relationship to others. A second concern is our relationship to ourselves (Jam 1:27). Only the most thoughtless would believe that our responsibility to others is fulfilled in a "Hi and how are you" to the fatherless or that the fatherless are to be our only concern. And we not much help, in some cases, if we are doing what we can to keep ourselves free of worldly influences. Social concern, then, is a part of our divine imperative. In James, a book written to those who tended towards legalism and the "doing of church," he pointedly reminds his readers that their efforts are good for nothing if their speech is not followed by action. Be thou warmed and fill is a part of the message of the church. But if it is not accompanied with that which is necessary for the health and well-being of the body, their message is of no use (James 2:16,17) The story of the good Samaritan is a story that is all about social responsibilities. It's message is as much for us today as it was 2000 years ago. It is a lie of the Father of Lies to believe and teach that the preaching of repentance is the only evangelical concern of the church. Evangelical, I say, as if social considerations were part of the evangelical outreach of the church. If that is what you thought I had in mind, then I want you to know that, yes, I confirm that impression. God is manifest in us and how we react to the world we live in. That is the example of Christ. Our lives should be lived with His in mind. He fed, perhaps, tens of thousands of people (the loaves and the fishes -- is the count of men only?)A dramatic statement of His concern for the social welfare of the community in which He had influence. His miracles expressed his social concern, as well. And passages such as Is 58:9-11 make it clear that our search for God will not be complete if it does not included an out-pouring for the hungry and the afflicted. I, for one, admit my hypocrisy in this part of the ministry of reconciliation. I have failed in the showing of social concern. The question, ask by others on this in an effort to continue the fight, is nonetheless, a good questionwhat are we going to do about the sufferin
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Social concern, then, is a part of our divine imperative. You've lost your moral superiority. You do NOTHING You said it: speech is not followed by action[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pure and undefiled religion is defined by James in terms of two different kinds of activities. One has to do with our relationship to others. A second concern is our relationship to ourselves (Jam 1:27). Only the most thoughtless would believe that our responsibility to others is fulfilled in a "Hi and how are you" to the fatherless or that the fatherless are to be our only concern. And we not much help, in some cases, if we are doing what we can to keep ourselves free of worldly influences. Social concern, then, is a part of our divine imperative. In James, a book written to those who tended towards legalism and the "doing of church," he pointedly reminds his readers that their efforts are good for nothing if their speech is not followed by action. Be thou warmed and fill is a part of the message of the church. But if it is not accompanied with that which is necessary for the health and well-being of the body, their message is of no use (James 2:16,17) The story of the good Samaritan is a story that is all about social responsibilities. It's message is as much for us today as it was 2000 years ago. It is a lie of the Father of Lies to believe and teach that the preaching of repentance is the only evangelical concern of the church. Evangelical, I say, as if social considerations were part of the evangelical outreach of the church. If that is what you thought I had in mind, then I want you to know that, yes, I confirm that impression. God is manifest in us and how we react to the world we live in. That is the example of Christ. Our lives should be lived with His in mind. He fed, perhaps, tens of thousands of people (the loaves and the fishes -- is the count of men only?)A dramatic statement of His concern for the social welfare of the community in which He had influence. His miracles expressed his social concern, as well. And passages such as Is 58:9-11 make it clear that our search for God will not be complete if it does not included an out-pouring for the hungry and the afflicted. I, for one, admit my hypocrisy in this part of the ministry of reconciliation. I have failed in the showing of social concern. The question, ask by others on this in an effort to continue the fight, is nonetheless, a good questionwhat are we going to do about the suffering of those not so white and not so rich? I do not know. I am just now asking myself this question. And there will be an answer. there is too much in scripture for me to deny. A change of mind, for me, is in order and I appreciate Lance and Gary having things to say on this subject that have brought me to this moment. Grace to you who know not grace, Peace to you who know not peace, Love to those who show no love and mercy upon us all Jd __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Is there a good reason why not? JD -Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 12:23:57 -0500Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Social concerns and the church Let's see-if America is already giving double what everyone else is, they want it doubled again??? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 10:10 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Social concerns and the church U.S. Challenged to Increase Aid to Africa By CELIA W. DUGGER Published: June 5, 2005 :: ©NYTimes.com "A powerful consensus is building for a doubling of aid to Africa among the world's heavyweight donors, except the United States, a divide that is likely to come into sharp relief this week .." http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/05/international/05poverty.html?ex18635200&enÄc2d6a2eafcd4f4&eiP70&emc=eta1 -- On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 11:45:55 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..passages such as Is 58:9-11 make it clear that our search for God will not be complete if it does not included an out-pouring for the hungry and the afflicted. ||
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Let’s see—if America is already giving double what everyone else is, they want it doubled again??? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 10:10 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Social concerns and the church U.S. Challenged to Increase Aid to Africa By CELIA W. DUGGER Published: June 5, 2005 :: ©NYTimes.com "A powerful consensus is building for a doubling of aid to Africa among the world's heavyweight donors, except the United States, a divide that is likely to come into sharp relief this week .." http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/05/international/05poverty.html?ex=1118635200&en=c4c2d6a2eafcd4f4&ei=5070&emc=eta1 -- On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 11:45:55 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..passages such as Is 58:9-11 make it clear that our search for God will not be complete if it does not included an out-pouring for the hungry and the afflicted. ||
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U.S. Challenged to Increase Aid to Africa By CELIA W. DUGGER Published: June 5, 2005 :: ©NYTimes.com "A powerful consensus is building for a doubling of aid to Africa among the world's heavyweight donors, except the United States, a divide that is likely to come into sharp relief this week .." http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/05/international/05poverty.html?ex=1118635200&en=c4c2d6a2eafcd4f4&ei=5070&emc=eta1 -- On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 11:45:55 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..passages such as Is 58:9-11 make it clear that our search for God will not be complete if it does not included an out-pouring for the hungry and the afflicted. ||
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A geat resport!! When you can't walk on water, you had better be in the boat. Glad you are aborad -- Jd -Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 07:55:14 -0500Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Social concerns and the church JD, it seems that the ones who do the most kvetching about others not helping the poor and being socially responsible are the ones who talk, talk, talk, but do little if anything. I?ve been waiting for a day now for a sincere suggestion from kvetching Lance and kvetching JD on what I personally can do to cure the problems in the Congo, but when the rubber meets the road there is only more kvetching or silence. Meanwhile, yesterday I cooked and sent a pot of soup and a big bowl of chicken salad to a neighbor who has guests in her home for the week. While I was quilting I saw that the two big dogs belonging to one of my lesbian neighbors were loose, and I stopped everything and went outside and made sure her dogs got back safely into her yard and talked to her for a while. Today someone from our church is arriving with a truck to pick up 3 pieces of furniture to deliver to a woman who needs furniture for her family. Our church routinely completely re-habs and refurnishes homes for the poor who need it?often poor black women fresh out of prison for doing drugs or theft who are trying to start their lives over. They are given a beautiful home, yardwork, furniture, clothing, and whatever else they need. Last Christmas my husband and I decided that instead of giving each other gifts we would provide Chr istmas for a needy family, and many others in our church did also. They are rarely ever members of our church, but just someone that someone heard about. I could bore you for hours with everything our benevolence ministry has done like that. We help those that God puts in front of us. We do what we can, and we trust Him to provide where we can?t. We work quietly as unto the Lord for our own and for others. And we don?t kvetch. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 12:40 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Social concerns and the church Pure and undefiled religion is defined by James in terms of two different kinds of activities. One has to do with our relationship to others. A second concern is our relationship to ourselves (Jam 1:27). Only the most thoughtless would believe that our responsibility to others is fulfilled in a "Hi and how are you" to the fatherless or that the fatherless are to be our only concern. And we not much help, in some cases, if we are doing what we can to keep ourselves free of worldly influences. Social concern, then, is a part of our divine imperative. In James, a book written to those who tended towards legalism and the "doing of church," he pointedly reminds his readers that their efforts are good for nothing if their speech is not followed by action. Be thou warmed and fill is a part of the message of the church. But if it is not accompanied with that which is necessary for the health and well-being of the body, their message is of no use (James 2:16,17) The story of the good Samaritan is a story that is all about social responsibilities. It's message is as much for us today as it was 2000 years ago. It is a lie of the Father of Lies to believe and teach that the preaching of repentance is the only evangelical concern of the church. Evangelical, I say, as if social considerations were part of the evangelical outreach of the church. If that is what you thought I had in mind, then I want you to know that, yes, I confirm that impression. God is manifest in us and how we react to the world we live in. That is the example of Christ. Our lives should be lived with His in mind. He fed, perhaps, tens of thousands of people (the loaves and the fishes -- is the count of men only?)A dramatic statement of His concern for the social welfare of the community in which He had influence. His miracles expressed his social concern, as well. And passages such as Is 58:9-11 make it clear that our search for God will not be complete if it does not included an out-pouring for the hungry and the afflicted. I, for one, admit my hypocrisy in this part of the ministry of reconciliation. I have failed in the showing of social concern. The question, ask by others on this in an effort to continue the fight, is nonetheless, a good question.what are we going to do about the suffering of those not so white and not so rich? I do not know. I am just now asking myself this question. And there will be an answer. there is too much in scripture for me to deny. A change of mind, for me, is in order and I appreciate Lance and Gary having thi
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Well...perhaps not so quietly but, praise God for such as yourself and, for what you've done. Indeed, this is exactly what 'living the gospel' is all about. I shall not even attempt a rejoineder for, how could one in the light of this? May God richly bless you, your husband and family, Lance - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 05, 2005 08:55 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Social concerns and the church JD, it seems that the ones who do the most kvetching about others not helping the poor and being socially responsible are the ones who talk, talk, talk, but do little if anything. Ive been waiting for a day now for a sincere suggestion from kvetching Lance and kvetching JD on what I personally can do to cure the problems in the Congo, but when the rubber meets the road there is only more kvetching or silence. Meanwhile, yesterday I cooked and sent a pot of soup and a big bowl of chicken salad to a neighbor who has guests in her home for the week. While I was quilting I saw that the two big dogs belonging to one of my lesbian neighbors were loose, and I stopped everything and went outside and made sure her dogs got back safely into her yard and talked to her for a while. Today someone from our church is arriving with a truck to pick up 3 pieces of furniture to deliver to a woman who needs furniture for her family. Our church routinely completely re-habs and refurnishes homes for the poor who need itoften poor black women fresh out of prison for doing drugs or theft who are trying to start their lives over. They are given a beautiful home, yardwork, furniture, clothing, and whatever else they need. Last Christmas my husband and I decided that instead of giving each other gifts we would provide Christmas for a needy family, and many others in our church did also. They are rarely ever members of our church, but just someone that someone heard about. I could bore you for hours with everything our benevolence ministry has done like that. We help those that God puts in front of us. We do what we can, and we trust Him to provide where we cant. We work quietly as unto the Lord for our own and for others. And we dont kvetch. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 12:40 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Social concerns and the church Pure and undefiled religion is defined by James in terms of two different kinds of activities. One has to do with our relationship to others. A second concern is our relationship to ourselves (Jam 1:27). Only the most thoughtless would believe that our responsibility to others is fulfilled in a "Hi and how are you" to the fatherless or that the fatherless are to be our only concern. And we not much help, in some cases, if we are doing what we can to keep ourselves free of worldly influences. Social concern, then, is a part of our divine imperative. In James, a book written to those who tended towards legalism and the "doing of church," he pointedly reminds his readers that their efforts are good for nothing if their speech is not followed by action. Be thou warmed and fill is a part of the message of the church. But if it is not accompanied with that which is necessary for the health and well-being of the body, their message is of no use (James 2:16,17) The story of the good Samaritan is a story that is all about social responsibilities. It's message is as much for us today as it was 2000 years ago. It is a lie of the Father of Lies to believe and teach that the preaching of repentance is the only evangelical concern of the church. Evangelical, I say, as if social considerations were part of the evangelical outreach of the church. If that is what you thought I had in mind, then I want you to know that, yes, I confirm that impression. God is manifest in us and how we react to the world we live in. That is the example of Christ. Our lives should be lived with His in mind. He fed, perhaps, tens of thousands of people (the loaves and the fishes -- is the count of men only?)A dramatic statement of His concern for the social welfare of the community in which He had influence. His miracles expressed his social concern, as well. And passages such as Is 58:9-11 make it clear that our search for God will not be complete if it does not included an out-pouring for the hungry and the afflicted. I, for one, admit my hypocrisy in this part of the ministry of reconciliation.
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JD, it seems that the ones who do the most kvetching about others not helping the poor and being socially responsible are the ones who talk, talk, talk, but do little if anything. I’ve been waiting for a day now for a sincere suggestion from kvetching Lance and kvetching JD on what I personally can do to cure the problems in the Congo, but when the rubber meets the road there is only more kvetching or silence. Meanwhile, yesterday I cooked and sent a pot of soup and a big bowl of chicken salad to a neighbor who has guests in her home for the week. While I was quilting I saw that the two big dogs belonging to one of my lesbian neighbors were loose, and I stopped everything and went outside and made sure her dogs got back safely into her yard and talked to her for a while. Today someone from our church is arriving with a truck to pick up 3 pieces of furniture to deliver to a woman who needs furniture for her family. Our church routinely completely re-habs and refurnishes homes for the poor who need it—often poor black women fresh out of prison for doing drugs or theft who are trying to start their lives over. They are given a beautiful home, yardwork, furniture, clothing, and whatever else they need. Last Christmas my husband and I decided that instead of giving each other gifts we would provide Christmas for a needy family, and many others in our church did also. They are rarely ever members of our church, but just someone that someone heard about. I could bore you for hours with everything our benevolence ministry has done like that. We help those that God puts in front of us. We do what we can, and we trust Him to provide where we can’t. We work quietly as unto the Lord for our own and for others. And we don’t kvetch. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 12:40 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Social concerns and the church Pure and undefiled religion is defined by James in terms of two different kinds of activities. One has to do with our relationship to others. A second concern is our relationship to ourselves (Jam 1:27). Only the most thoughtless would believe that our responsibility to others is fulfilled in a "Hi and how are you" to the fatherless or that the fatherless are to be our only concern. And we not much help, in some cases, if we are doing what we can to keep ourselves free of worldly influences. Social concern, then, is a part of our divine imperative. In James, a book written to those who tended towards legalism and the "doing of church," he pointedly reminds his readers that their efforts are good for nothing if their speech is not followed by action. Be thou warmed and fill is a part of the message of the church. But if it is not accompanied with that which is necessary for the health and well-being of the body, their message is of no use (James 2:16,17) The story of the good Samaritan is a story that is all about social responsibilities. It's message is as much for us today as it was 2000 years ago. It is a lie of the Father of Lies to believe and teach that the preaching of repentance is the only evangelical concern of the church. Evangelical, I say, as if social considerations were part of the evangelical outreach of the church. If that is what you thought I had in mind, then I want you to know that, yes, I confirm that impression. God is manifest in us and how we react to the world we live in. That is the example of Christ. Our lives should be lived with His in mind. He fed, perhaps, tens of thousands of people (the loaves and the fishes -- is the count of men only?)A dramatic statement of His concern for the social welfare of the community in which He had influence. His miracles expressed his social concern, as well. And passages such as Is 58:9-11 make it clear that our search for God will not be complete if it does not included an out-pouring for the hungry and the afflicted. I, for one, admit my hypocrisy in this part of the ministry of reconciliation. I have failed in the showing of social concern. The question, ask by others on this in an effort to continue the fight, is nonetheless, a good questionwhat are we going to do about the suffering of those not so white and not so rich? I do not know. I am just now asking myself this question. And there will be an answer. there is too much in scripture for me to deny. A change of mind, for me, is in order and I appreciate Lance and Gary having things to say on this subject that have brought me to this moment. Grace to you who know not grace, Peace to you who know not peace, Love to those who show no love and mercy upon us all Jd
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Pure and undefiled religion is defined by James in terms of two different kinds of activities. One has to do with our relationship to others. A second concern is our relationship to ourselves (Jam 1:27). Only the most thoughtless would believe that our responsibility to others is fulfilled in a "Hi and how are you" to the fatherless or that the fatherless are to be our only concern. And we not much help, in some cases, if we are doing what we can to keep ourselves free of worldly influences. Social concern, then, is a part of our divine imperative. In James, a book written to those who tended towards legalism and the "doing of church," he pointedly reminds his readers that their efforts are good for nothing if their speech is not followed by action. Be thou warmed and fill is a part of the message of the church. But if it is not accompanied with that which is necessary for the health and well-being of the body, their message is of no use (James 2:16,17) The story of the good Samaritan is a story that is all about social responsibilities. It's message is as much for us today as it was 2000 years ago. It is a lie of the Father of Lies to believe and teach that the preaching of repentance is the only evangelical concern of the church. Evangelical, I say, as if social considerations were part of the evangelical outreach of the church. If that is what you thought I had in mind, then I want you to know that, yes, I confirm that impression. God is manifest in us and how we react to the world we live in. That is the example of Christ. Our lives should be lived with His in mind. He fed, perhaps, tens of thousands of people (the loaves and the fishes -- is the count of men only?)A dramatic statement of His concern for the social welfare of the community in which He had influence. His miracles expressed his social concern, as well. And passages such as Is 58:9-11 make it clear that our search for God will not be complete if it does not included an out-pouring for the hungry and the afflicted. I, for one, admit my hypocrisy in this part of the ministry of reconciliation. I have failed in the showing of social concern. The question, ask by others on this in an effort to continue the fight, is nonetheless, a good questionwhat are we going to do about the suffering of those not so white and not so rich? I do not know. I am just now asking myself this question. And there will be an answer. there is too much in scripture for me to deny. A change of mind, for me, is in order and I appreciate Lance and Gary having things to say on this subject that have brought me to this moment. Grace to you who know not grace, Peace to you who know not peace, Love to those who show no love and mercy upon us all Jd
