Re: [TruthTalk] TT w/o a moderator
I've tried setting up an unmoderated twice and I simply cannot do it again. I had to take down both lists because of the foul language and acrimonius posts. I cannot aid and abet such things. There are forums out there where people may setup their own lists. Many people have the ability now with their own mail server too. Here are two resources if any of you want to setup an unmoderated list: http://groups.yahoo.com http://www.injesus.com Good bye, all. It has been great getting to know you all. Keep in touch with me and each other. God bless. May the peace of God dwell with you richly, David Miller - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 3:12 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] TT w/o a moderator DAVEH: Yikes.can I really be in agreement with Kevin??? If you decide to go that route for awhile, DavidMwhy not deep 6 the ad-hom rule. Who knowsmaybe TT can rise from the ashes like a phoenix!!! Kevin Deegan wrote: David, Since TT has been w/o a Moderator, it seems to have done just fine. Why not just keep the list up w/o one? Breaking up is just so hard to do. -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] TT w/o a moderator
I've been pondering on the same thing; how will we overcome to the point where we will "judge angels" if we can't control ourselves enough to be civil on an internet list? It's a good suggestion. Plus I still haven't seen Christine's picture - judyt On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 00:12:42 -0800 Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: DAVEH: Yikes.can I really be in agreement with Kevin??? If you decide to go that route for awhile, DavidMwhy not deep 6 the ad-hom rule. Who knowsmaybe TT can rise from the ashes like a phoenix!!!Kevin Deegan wrote: David, Since TT has been w/o a Moderator, it seems to have done just fine. Why not just keep the list up w/o one? Breaking up is just so hard to do. -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.
Re: [TruthTalk] TT w/o a moderator
DAVEH: Yikes.can I really be in agreement with Kevin??? If you decide to go that route for awhile, DavidMwhy not deep 6 the ad-hom rule. Who knowsmaybe TT can rise from the ashes like a phoenix!!! Kevin Deegan wrote: David, Since TT has been w/o a Moderator, it seems to have done just fine. Why not just keep the list up w/o one? Breaking up is just so hard to do. -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.
Re: [TruthTalk] I Hope I'm Not too Late...
() On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 04:32:20 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: well, if you all are going to quit because I came on line -- I'll just lurk. jd ||
Re: [TruthTalk] I Hope I'm Not too Late...
well, if you all are going to quit because I came on line -- I'll just lurk. jd -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ditto Judy's comments from me jd -- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Christine, I can't see the picture - Must be my Norton spam blocker or something, is there another way you could send it? Have really enjoyed you. Thanks for being a blessing to us on TT - judyt On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 18:45:37 -0800 (PST) Christine Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I just wanted to say one last time that it has been such a joy getting to know you all. I praise God for your wisdom and passion. Here's a picture of me grinning ear-to-ear with my mom on Broadway a couple of months ago. My father babysat all of my sisters back home while we two girls painted the town red! I love you all. -Christine Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min.
Re: [TruthTalk] I Hope I'm Not too Late...
Ditto Judy's comments from me jd -- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Christine, I can't see the picture - Must be my Norton spam blocker or something, is there another way you could send it? Have really enjoyed you. Thanks for being a blessing to us on TT - judyt On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 18:45:37 -0800 (PST) Christine Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I just wanted to say one last time that it has been such a joy getting to know you all. I praise God for your wisdom and passion. Here's a picture of me grinning ear-to-ear with my mom on Broadway a couple of months ago. My father babysat all of my sisters back home while we two girls painted the town red! I love you all. -Christine Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min.
Re: [TruthTalk] I Hope I'm Not too Late...
Christine, I can't see the picture - Must be my Norton spam blocker or something, is there another way you could send it? Have really enjoyed you. Thanks for being a blessing to us on TT - judyt On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 18:45:37 -0800 (PST) Christine Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I just wanted to say one last time that it has been such a joy getting to know you all. I praise God for your wisdom and passion. Here's a picture of me grinning ear-to-ear with my mom on Broadway a couple of months ago. My father babysat all of my sisters back home while we two girls painted the town red! I love you all. -Christine Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min.
Re: [TruthTalk] I Hope I'm Not too Late...
the pic isn't visible here, any chance you'd re-send it as an attachment to an email? thx On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 18:45:37 -0800 (PST) Christine Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I just wanted to say one last time that it has been such a joy getting to know you all. I praise God for your wisdom and passion. Here's a picture of me grinning ear-to-ear with my mom on Broadway a couple of months ago. My father babysat all of my sisters back home while we two girls painted the town red! I love you all. -Christine Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min.
Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
ftr, partic DaveH--* = an influential phrase (to me) from the title of a Warren Zevon song, the best rendition of it iv'e heard by the Pixies with Zevon's son Jordan after Warren's relatively recent death--on the Zevon post-mortem CD 'Enjoy Every Sandwich' (indeed:) On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 19:55:51 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 19:41:19 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: * ..& it ain't that pretty at all
Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 19:41:19 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..& it ain't that pretty at all On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 19:17:57 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: || "but Am. conservative Muslim theory ain't really their fault: .. "Tweedle-dee Dum and Tweedle-dee DeeThey're throwing knives into the treeTwo big bags of dead man's bonesGot their noses to the grindstones Living in the Land of NodTrustin' their fate to the Hands of GodThey pass by so silentlyTweedle-dee Dum and Tweedle-dee Dee Well, they're going to the country, they're gonna retireThey're taking a streetcar named DesireLooking in the window at the pecan pieLot of things they'd like they would never buy Neither one gonna turn and runThey're making a voyage to the sun"His Master's voice is calling me,"Says Tweedle-dee Dum to Tweedle-dee Dee Tweedle-dee Dee and Tweedle-dee DumAll that and more and then someThey walk among the stately treesThey know the secrets of the breeze Tweedle-dee Dum said to Tweedle-dee Dee"Your presence is obnoxious to me."They're like babies sittin' on a woman's kneeTweedle-dee Dum and Tweedle-dee Dee Well, the rain beating down on my windowpaneI got love for you and it's all in vainBrains in the pot, they're beginning to boilThey're dripping with garlic and olive oil Tweedle-dee Dee - he's on his hands and his kneesSaying, "Throw me somethin', Mister, please.""What's good for you is good for me,"Says Tweedle-dee Dum to Tweedle-dee Dee Well, they're living in a happy harmonyTweedle-dee Dum and Tweedle-dee DeeThey're one day older and a dollar shortThey've got a parade permit and a police escort They're lying low and they're makin' hayThey seem determined to go all the wayThey run a brick and tile companyTweedle-dee Dum and Tweedle-dee Dee Well a childish dream is a deathless needAnd a noble truth is a sacred creedMy pretty baby, she's lookin' aroundShe's wearin' a multi-thousand dollar gown Tweedle-dee Dee is a lowdown, sorry old manTweedle-dee Dum, he'll stab you where you stand"I've had too much of your company,"Says, Tweedle-dee Dum to Tweedle-dee Dee" B Dylan :: Copyright © 2001 Special Rider Music
Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 19:17:57 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..perhaps while yer curled up fondling myow myow.. ..re-consider your role in repentance, even some rock stars aren't adverse to it, e.g., "_sitting_ under my blue sky of deceptionthe colors run every time it rainswrought brought forth fashioned from inceptionmy own hands and i take all the blame refrain: as the light goes outdarkness with her bated breathwaits out on periphery of the camp firedecadence and violence we do best burned out face down in the gutterlowest point i could find to ground zeroroll back alibis and skies are crushingdo we paint with much too black a brush rock and roll what is it any moreyouth profound or profane to endurepassion in the back seat or at the foot of the crossgoing going gone and finally lost" Bill Mallonee (BMI) ©1997
Re: [TruthTalk] Broken Cisterns
Broken CisternsJeremiah 2:13 saysFor my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns that can hold no water.Jesus promises that "whosoever drinketh of the water that i shall give him shall never thirst." Jesus is that living water, and he provides the way, the truth and the life. His water is life itself. Eternal life in heaven WITH Jesus and victory on Earth IN Jesus. Christian, are you in victory? Or are you still drinking from broken cisterns?Let us lay aside every weight, and the sin that doth so easily beset us and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, LOOKING UNTO JESUS the author and finisher of our faith(Hebrews 12:1-2)Are you looking unto JESUS? Or are you Weighed down still? (Turn your TV off, perhaps.) Turn your eyes upon Jesus.And for now, check out some Charles Spurgeon. (while keeping your eyes on Jesus still!) (if you can walk and chew gum at the same time, I think you can grasp that!)The famous preacher, Charles Spurgeon once wrote: "Men are in a restless pursuit after satisfaction in earthly things. They will exhaust themselves in the deceitful delights of sin, and, finding them all to be vanity and emptiness, they will become very perplexed and disappointed. But they will still continue their fruitless search."Though wearied, they still stagger forward under the influence of spiritual madness, and though there is no result to be reached except that of everlasting disappointment, yet they press forward. They have no forethought for their eternal state; the present hour absorbs them. They turn to another and another of earth's broken cisterns, hoping to find water where not a drop was ever discovered yet.An anonymous student adds, "Madness is an apt description of the continual pursuit of feeding the flesh, is it not? I once heard someone say that the definition of insanity is to continually do the same thing over and over expecting different results each time. Is that not what we did in our days in Egypt? Did we not continue to look back to being in slavery, feeling guilty and unfulfilled every single time, yet thinking that maybe the next attempt would fill up the emptiness inside us? I know that's what I did for years and it truly was madness to think I could find true lasting satisfaction in this way." If you have always been in victory, Praise God! If you used to be in victory, return to GOD. If you never had the victory, get a hold of GODKeep reaching for the victory!FYI, Remember why it's important to have a clean testimony! "But when he saw the multitudes, he was moved with compassion on them"..."The harvest truly is plenteous but the labourers are few.'" ---Matthew 9:36-37Jesus came to seek and save that which was lost. No one can serve two masters. Are you bowing to Jesus Christ, or the god of this world? Do you love the things that God loves (his word, his people, sharing his truths, righteousness, preaching the gospel, teaching all nations) or do you love the patterns of this world? (is GOD your hobby and hobbies your god? Pro sports, things, consumerism, the lust of the eyes, the lust of the flesh and the pride of life.) What drives you? What controls you? What moves you? What excites you? My prayer is that all of us will be able to honestly say JESUS CHRIST! Serving GOD! Reaching the LOST! It's hard to have compassion when we are in bondage to sin. It's hard to want to see people saved when we are yielded to the devil. It's hard to hear the voice of God when we listen to the cravings of the flesh.We don't need to be perfect, but a Christian should progressively want to move toward the light. If you are in regular sin, and aren't bothered by it, what makes you think you are saved? If you are not in sin, and aren't witnessing and don't have a burden for the lost, what makes you think you are saved?It's time to do more for God. My heart breaks when I see us not broken over lost souls, when I see us not broken over how many see salvation as a license to sin. God will not be mocked. Please search your hearts, please seek his face, and please humble yourself and cry out to him to set you on fire, and to use you while there's still time left.March is almost over, 2006 is 25% down, and life is but a vapor. Time is Marching on and we lose an hour next week. Resurrection Sunday is coming up, when Jesus rose from the dead DEFEATING DEATH. God's love of the word and his hatred of sin met in one supreme divine moment. Spring is now on us, a time of renewal. The days will shine brighter---will our lives shine brighter as well??? Let's make today the day to get right with God. Let's admit we are lukewarm, let's admit that we have forsaken our first love, let's admit we've forgotten what it was like when we first were saved. Amen? Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates.
Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
..& it ain't that pretty at all On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 19:17:57 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: || "but Am. conservative Muslim theory ain't really their fault: 'either get our new WalMarts opened on time in Baghdad or face us blowin' you to (the other) hell (we're financing')]"
Re: [TruthTalk] TT w/o a moderator
interesting On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 17:06:54 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: || TT ..w/o a Moderator..[has] done just fine.. ||
Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
interesting --perhaps while yer curled up fondling myow myow, try to juxtapose your inadvertant underlying insight to the real point: "but Am. conservative Muslim theory ain't really their fault: 'either get our new WalMarts opened on time in Baghdad or face us blowin' you to (the other) hell (we're financing')]" ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ..Wal-Mart? ..they dont pay enough or give enough benefits to those POOR people who work there so SAD!
Re: [TruthTalk] TT w/o a moderator
David, Since TT has been w/o a Moderator, it seems to have done just fine. Why not just keep the list up w/o one? Breaking up is just so hard to do. New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC for low, low rates.
RE: [TruthTalk] More Goodbyes from our house to yours
Write with special thoughts and "whats happenin" amy time. God Bless. -- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thank you so much for the photos of your beautiful self and family. I agree with JD; our kids outdo us to the max! I cant help crying right now, realizing that this is really goodbye. I dearly love you all, Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy TaylorSent: Monday, March 27, 2006 10:37 AMTo: truthtalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: [TruthTalk] More Goodbyes from our house to yours Just had to get into the images if only a little - judyt
RE: [TruthTalk] More Goodbyes from our house to yours
Thank you so much for the photos of your beautiful self and family. I agree with JD; our kids outdo us to the max! I can’t help crying right now, realizing that this is really goodbye. I dearly love you all, Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 10:37 AM To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: [TruthTalk] More Goodbyes from our house to yours Just had to get into the images if only a little - judyt
Re: [TruthTalk] Saying Goodbye
Continuing with my farewell impressions... Although John Smithson is a rather emotional person with whom I have butted heads concerning over-generalizations and stereotypic expressions, I have appreciated John's keen interest in theology and philosophy. He has ventured into areas which others on TruthTalk would not. By doing so, John has opened up avenues of thought and reflection which would otherwise have been stagnant. John was never afraid of a good brawl and often moved topics on TruthTalk into fisticuffs. I appreciated such opportunities as a way to dig deeper into issues, furthering a reductionistic method of breaking down subjects into smaller parts for analysis. I will always have fond thoughts about his passion for issues that were usually on the periphery of my thinking. Kevin Deegan has been a great contributor, always great with links and information about almost any issue. Kevin's breath of reading comes across loud and clear, but more than just being well read, he has expressed a passion for truth. He takes a hard line stance that is helpful to others willing to give a thorough study of a particular issue. While Kevin is quick to quip, he also exhibits a patience to keep ploughing along with difficult subjects. I think I will remember Kevin's patience more than the actual information he has posted. May God grant me the ability to stick with it like Kevin does, to present God's truth, despite what the detractors might offer. I also cannot sign off without mentioning my admiration for Kevin's sacrifice and diligence toward preaching the Word of God to those outside the churches of Jesus Christ. Such will always continue to inspire me. Carroll Dean Moore will be best remembered for his no-nonsense seriousness with which he approaches life and the Word of God. I will remember Dean's passion and loyalty toward what he perceives to be the right path. When I think of Dean, I tend to remember the passage from 1 Peter 5:8, "Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour." Thank you Dean. Ruben Israel Chavez will be remembered for his always uplifting preaching reports. I stand in awe of the sacrifice he makes as he travels around the country and the world, preaching the Truth of Christ to those who are unchurched. Ruben also has taken time to joust with us from time to time, and to explain his thinking about issues of importance. Ruben is a constant model of being a preacher of the Word and not just a student. Such will always be in my mind. Charles Perry Locke has been a gentlemen among gentlemen. He is passionate about truth and at the same time well mannered and filled with common sense I appreciate Perry's sacrifice in helping moderate the list for a long time. In posts, he has perhaps been among the most patient. When I have been very dense in hearing him on a point, he would take the time to spell it out clearly until I got it. Many others would have simply made fun of me and gone on to other issues. Not Perry. I will always cherish his longsuffering and clear, logical mind. Gary Ottoson... I will always remember him as Mr. Abbreviation. Gary's presence has raised the intellectual level a notch or two on TruthTalk. While many of his posts were difficult to decipher for some, and nearly impossible for the uneducated, he did at times come up with gems that provoked further discussion. Gary was a constant reminder to TruthTalk that poets have something to say among those who wish to talk about truth. Gary also has a steadfastness to him that has been inspirational. Judy Taylor has been a rock for the unadulterated truth. Her adherence to Scripture without any contamination from the thoughts of men will always be in the back of my mind. In my tendency toward curiosity about many ideas and subjects, Judy has been that firm but gentle reminder of where my feet need to be firmly planted. Her strength of character and great love for God has been an inspiration for me, and will continue to be an inspiration to me for years to come. One cannot come into contact with such a person and not remember her when times of trials and persecution come because of the Word of God. Thank you Judy for being Judy. You are greatly loved. Linda Shields, well, Linda is Izzy... a fiesty cat. I have learned to appreciate her passion and independence of spirit. In a day when many Christians are generally somewhat reticent to declare political affiliations, Linda would boldly proclaim her Republican affiliation as quickly as she would her love for Jesus Christ. She often shared interesting articles and established points that were overlooked by her detractors but heard by others. Linda often tag teamed with Judy as if in a wrestling tournament. Linda's adherence to truth despite what others say has been encouraging and helpful in the dialectic that f
Re: [TruthTalk] Saying Goodbye
Continuing with my farewell impressions... There have been some past members of TruthTalk that deserve mention. Slade and Kay Henson as well as their friend Jeff Powers were always pointing us toward our Hebraic roots. It was an interesting blend of traditionalism in regards to the written word of Scripture and yet liberal social philosophy. Kay's interest in social reform and her work with the messed up children's legal system in Florida will remain in my prayers. Glenn Tabor will be remembered for his passion toward basic foundations of Christianity. Glenn had a knack for bringing out a lot of discussion from people who differed from him. He always carried a pastor's care for everyone on the list, yet he was zealous toward ideology that conformed to traditional Christian beliefs. Laura Hamm likewise will be remembered in my heart as someone who stimulated thinking and was not afraid to jump into waters unknown. She had an ability to hear and seemed very able to represent the foot washing Baptists from time to time. Michael Douglas will always be close to my heart as a firm believer to communing with the Lord in prayer. His dialogue about praying against storms and calamities will not easily be forgotten. He brought to the forum practical considerations for the spiritually inclined. Michael was not content with ideology and philosophy, but ulitmately concerned with where the rubber meets the road in spiritual matters. His life of faith will always be a constant inspiration to my spirit. Jonathan Hughes will be remembered as a passionate person for truth without any fluff. Ideologically on the other side from me, his challenges to my mindset and working philosophical paradigms encouraged and promoted thinking. Caroline Wong will be remembered for being well informed and able to raise issues that I would typically otherwise consider mundane. Terry Clifton will always have a special place in my heart. In many ways, when he was here, he was the resident TruthTalk elder. He served as a conservative anchor, always the calm voice of reason when things became tumultuous. Terry had a knack for being understanding yet unswayed away from the Biblical no-nonsense perspective of truth. More to come later... David Miller -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] Mentoring and See Ya
Some you know as members of TT. Others have been named. And still others will remain unnamed -- people who would have no meaning to you. Not to be left out of the mix are Christ and Paul..in that order. Christ the author and finisher. Paul - the patient and courageous theologian. The mediation of the revelation of Christ continues to this day, but certainly , Paul is the beginning of this mediation. Christianity would be exactly as it is now, without Paul, and we can say amen to this if we believe that Christianity is what it is today by the design and will of God in Christ . if not Pual, then there would be another. And so, you will know what I do not mean to say when I write these words, "I cannot imagine what The Faith would be like apart from Paul's contribution." All that I consider "mentoring" centers around the teachings of Christ , personally, and as He revealed them to Paul and the others. Everything. What is noteworthy about that statement is this: my appreciation of these last two is no different in my life than for any on TruthTalk. Salute to you all. No time remaining for new discussions. John David Smithson Out !!! -- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Maybe then you could tell us about the men that Mentored you?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This, of course, is not the truth. You already know what I do. Now, because your memory is no longer than your brain stem means nothing to me. You ask only to cause trouble. But go to the archives and look it up. The bean count still belongs to the Lord. jd -- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I only compare because we all know you do nothing. That is why you can't say anything.No one is trying to draw attention to themselves just trying to draw attention to one who talks a big talk then when called on it backs down because that is what it is JUST TALK. 0[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christ's mentoring is what made the 12 apostles the force they were. Let's see -- that's 12 divided by three (years) and a 100 years later , they tell me there was somewhere around 6 million Christians. But make fun of it if you will. Part of mentoring (read:discipleship) is the giving up of self. It is the carnal mind that makes a game out of sharing the gospel and comparing "success" landmarks. It is Christ's example that really matters, here -- not mine nor yours. the comparisons have been made. You ignored them then -- you would do so again if agreed to play this very immature game. What shall we call this game? "My Sword is bigger than yours?" If we are to pray in our closets -- surely our ministries are not for the purpose of attracting attention to self. I will pray that you move away from self as you continue doing what every you do "for the Lord." After all -- the head count belongs to the Lord for He is the one who adds to His assemblage. jd -- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> You Mentor but have No one that you have mentored. Impressive. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: maybe God is trying to tell you something, Kevin. The "x" in the box is probably not what you had in mind. jd -- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC for low, low rates. Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.
Re: [TruthTalk] Goodbye
My mother awoke yesterday for 5 minutes to find herself surrounded by children, grandchildren and, even a great-grandchild. I wish the same for you, Judy and, for all TT participants. Lance - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 27, 2006 07:41 Subject: [TruthTalk] Goodbye My it is awfully quiet this morning; I don't even see anything from Lance (the early bird) Have been busy over the weekend so have not had much time to think about goodbyes. Our son and DIL are building a house at the back of us - also we are involved daily with our daughter in TX who is presently in the midst of an ongoing crisis. I would like to thank all of you for sharing yourselves on the TT List. I think I have learned in some way from everyone, though possibly not in the ways you or I would have thought. For me, TT has been a learning experience and I am thankful that DavidM rescued me from the legalistic Homechurch List where we met. David you and your family have been a real encouragement in the Lord. I took me a while to get to know each Listmember. My ideas regarding Street Preaching have changed and I have enjoyed Kevin and Dean so much. I am glad to know they are out there along with DM and Christine Miller. Just this morning I read 1 Kings 14:24 regarding the mess Judah was in after Solomon "and there were also sodomites in the land and they did according to all the abominations of the nations which the Lord cast out before the children of Israel" so theirs is truly a labor of love. Thank you Iz for sharing yourself, your pilgrimage, and your family with us. I wanted to share some photos but haven't had time to look for one to compete with JD and Gary :) Lance, I have to say that I was often surprised that you hung in there - We never did agree but I do appreciate the kind words you spoke on occasion; they tell me that you did not take what I wrote personally which is good. I am not angry with any person per se and have found everything interesting, even Dave Hanson's contributions in the historical or cultural sense (see your input Lance :) but when I came to TT I was and am still frustrated by dead orthodoxy and theologies or men because they are powerless and I so want to see Jesus on the scene. There are more than 500 families in the church we attend and so many hurting ppl that the new counseling pastor is swamped they are calling him all hours of the day and night and he doesn't have time for his family. The teaching pastor is just back from spending a week in London and yesterday he shared how on the flight over there was a rape on the TV's on either side of him and when his wife turned hers on there was an adulterous affair on it. He then told us how overwhelmed he was by Westminster Abbey where the Westminster Confession was put together and All Souls Church where John Stott whose writings have affected him so much pastored.. that's all well and good and I'm glad for him but on the way home I told my husband that the effect his sermon had on me was to make me want to go to London - but not for the same reasons. It did not make me hunger for more of Jesus. I long for God's Word to be exalted with great plainness of speech so that we will see His results with lives changed and health and peace among the people. I pray you will all grow in grace and in the knowledge of Him and that we will have opportunity to meet again. God Bless You All judyt in Suffolk VA
Re: [TruthTalk] Mentoring
Maybe then you could tell us about the men that Mentored you?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:This, of course, is not the truth. You already know what I do. Now, because your memory is no longer than your brain stem means nothing to me. You ask only to cause trouble. But go to the archives and look it up. The bean count still belongs to the Lord. jd -- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I only compare because we all know you do nothing. That is why you can't say anything.No one is trying to draw attention to themselves just trying to draw attention to one who talks a big talk then when called on it backs down because that is what it is JUST TALK. 0[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Christ's mentoring is what made the 12 apostles the force they were. Let's see -- that's 12 divided by three (years) and a 100 years later , they tell me there was somewhere around 6 million Christians. But make fun of it if you will. Part of mentoring (read:discipleship) is the giving up of self. It is the carnal mind that makes a game out of sharing the gospel and comparing "success" landmarks. It is Christ's example that really matters, here -- not mine nor yours. the comparisons have been made. You ignored them then -- you would do so again if agreed to play this very immature game. What shall we call this game? "My Sword is bigger than yours?" If we are to pray in our closets -- surely our ministries are not for the purpose of attracting attention to self. I will pray that you move away from self as you continue doing what every you do "for the Lord." After all -- the head count belongs to the Lord for He is the one who adds to His assemblage. jd -- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> You Mentor but have No one that you have mentored. Impressive. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:maybe God is trying to tell you something, Kevin. The "x" in the box is probably not what you had in mind. jd -- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC for low, low rates. Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.
Re: [TruthTalk] Saying Goodbye
DAVEH: Likewise, I have very much appreciated our exchanges, DavidM. I want to thank you for inviting me to join TT, as it has been a big part of my life for the past 5 years or so. I also sincerely appreciate your prayers, and I believe that the Lord is answering them, though I don't think he has answered them quite as you might expect. I have very much enjoyed being a guest on TT, and for the friends I've made here. Hopefully I'll hear from some of you again someday. Hm...if anybody starts up another forum. :-) May God bless you all! Cheerio.Dave Hansen David Miller wrote: Thank you Dave for many years of dialogue and for the several books you have sent me in the past. I will not forget you. I will continue to pray for you. Surely you are ingrained in your religion and your relationships in your religion will likely keep you there, but I will continue to pray that the Lord open your eyes to the true nature of his church. David Miller -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] Saying Goodbye
Continuing with my farewell impressions... Although Bill Taylor only recently came onto TruthTalk and our interaction was rather limited, I have to say that much of his discussions with me have left an impact. While his mindset of the Incarnation and how that impacts evangelism is very different from my own, I see the grain of truth in his thinking and have incorporated elements of it in how I approach evangelism. I realize that saying this may be incomprehensible to some on TruthTalk, maybe even raise red flags of alarm, but it is very true nonetheless. Jesus did indeed die for the sins of the whole world, and part of our message to others is what are they doing about that fact. What is their response? Some other ways that I have appreciated Bill is simply observing his theological training and manner of communicating. Some names dropped by him and others like Lance Muir also have blessed me in directing me toward further reading and study along theological lines. While some on TruthTalk question the value of such, I consider it all part of our culture and an area of formal training that I have lacked. Therefore, I have appreciated Lance and Bill in bringing to the table names and works in a framework with which I have been unfamiliar. Lance too has effected me positively in several ways. We approach truth differently. Lance takes a much more holisitic approach and is altogether people oriented. His criticism of my reductionism and orientation toward dictum has not gone unnoticed. It has heightened some of my appreciation for the Biblical approach to the person of Jesus Christ. After all, the entire gospel is centered more on the person of Christ than it is his teaching and sayings. This is not to say that I have forsaken the teaching of Christ altogether, but rather that I have appreciated aspects of Lance which bring attention back toward the person of Christ and even each other as people. Lance sees truth through people more than through expressions and teaching. I have learned to appreciate that about him, and to recognize its Biblical nature. I only wish we had more time to explore it on TruthTalk in a way that would have been mutually edifying. Lance also brought me into touch with Debbie. Although my interaction with Debbie has been rather limited, I have appreciated her writing ability and feel blessed to have been touched by her life. Debbie at times is able to hear and see past her own mindset, and other times she is able to forcefully articulate a viewpoint that can be quite convincing. Like Lance, she appreciates the personal over the wrangling of words, and that is refreshing and brings a different focus at times when such is needed. I had hoped to finish my impressions by this weekend, but too much has been going on. Last night we held a Strings Concert here at my home where all five of my children performed. More than 80 people attended. Then today we had church here at my home late into the evening. One of the students at UF has taken up preaching now too... great praise report... he preached for the first time last Friday and plans to continue carrying that torch every Friday. He has drawn many other students in this move of God that is happening at the University of Florida. We had praise reports of two people healed of cancer this week at church... lots of things happening. So, please forbear with me if I extend TruthTalk yet another day so I can finish saying my goodbyes. I guesss there is not much I can say to get everyone to stop posting dialogue and to say their goodbyes, so I will finish mine as soon as I can and then take down the list. God bless you all. My prayers are with you Lance and your mother during this time. Please let us know if she was a believer in Jesus Christ. Thanks. David Miller -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] Saying Goodbye
I've been very busy over the weekend and not had time to check email. I had hoped people would use the time to say their goodbyes, but I see many chose to keep their dialogue going. As I had mentioned, I hoped to send some impressions about TruthTalk members. So, I begin now. One of the TruthTalk members who I have appreciated the most is Dave Hansen. Why? Well, most of my interaction with Mormons over the years has been rather superficial. Virtually anytime I have gotten into discussions on a substantial level in person with Mormons, the door to future dialogue has closed after a few meetings. I know Kevin indicates having a greater success in this area, and I don't know why the difference, but most of my doors always close down. With DaveH on TruthTalk, I have been able to explore more about Joseph Smith and the teachings of Mormonism more than just about anywhere else. Blaine has also contributed, as well as a few others, including Dave's nephew. The bottom-line is that my knowledge and understanding of his religion is much greater now than it was before TruthTalk. I realize that there will be some TruthTalk members who think that all such knowledge is vain and that it might be foolish for me to spend time learning it. I don't see it that way. The reasons it is beneficial are too numerous for me to enumerate right now, so I will at this time simply say thank you to our Mormon participants on TruthTalk. Although I am probably more contrary to the religious establishment of Mormonism than I have ever been before, I have appreciated the opportunity to hear your perspective and engage you in dialogue. As I have explained in the past, the biggest smoking gun for me in regards to your religion is the Book of Abraham and the manuscripts we have which Joseph Smith claimed to translate. Another big issue for me is the polygamy of Joseph Smith and the fragmented nature of Mormonism after Joseph Smith's departure. Thank you Dave for many years of dialogue and for the several books you have sent me in the past. I will not forget you. I will continue to pray for you. Surely you are ingrained in your religion and your relationships in your religion will likely keep you there, but I will continue to pray that the Lord open your eyes to the true nature of his church. David Miller - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "TruthTalk" Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 11:34 AM Subject: [TruthTalk] Saying Goodbye Well, it is Friday. Time to say our goodbyes. I will leave the list up through the weekend to give time for lurkers to catch up and perhaps make their final post. Please bring the other conversations to a close and focus on saying your final farewells. I will start with this one, but I plan to send some more posts where I talk about past members of TruthTalk and some of my impressions, for good or for bad. In this post, I want to talk about TruthTalk in general. In my opinion, much of the difficulty of TruthTalk these last several years has been related to a problem described by the proverb, FAMILIARITY BREEDS CONTEMPT. I have seen this same phenomena in home churches too. When a small group of people become so thoroughly familiar with each other that much of what others would say become somewhat predictable, people become more free to speak their mind and tend to focus more upon faults than strengths in the other person. Marriages often illustrate this same difficulty. The time frame for this seems to start at around 4 years, and within 10 years, it becomes rather entrenched. Those groups that tend to be focused upon itself exhibit more of this tendency than groups that tend to reach out and pull in fresh people. On TruthTalk, there was a time when that polarizing of groups became rather noticeable. There came to be the liberals versus the conservatives, which eventually turned into the liberals versus the fundamentalists. When this first came to light, I questioned the group whether we should encourage this kind of sectarian dialogue. Several on the list thought it was natural human nature and fine not only to allow it but encourage it. Interestingly, some of those most outspoken for this perspective are no longer on the list. My personal judgment in hindsight is that any kind of sectarianism like this is counter productive for good discussion. What happens is that people speak more from bias and emotion rather than engage in a teamwork of discovery. People tended to work harder on putting the other side in their place rather than trying to hear whether or not there was even a grain of truth in what was being said. Overall, I have appreciated TruthTalk very much. It has been a source of motivation for me to study issues that I might otherwise have left untouched. My heart has been warmed by many who have posted here, and my mind has been enriched with a diversity of viewpoints to consider and examine. Some on
Re: [TruthTalk] Mentoring
This, of course, is not the truth. You already know what I do. Now, because your memory is no longer than your brain stem means nothing to me. You ask only to cause trouble. But go to the archives and look it up. The bean count still belongs to the Lord. jd -- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I only compare because we all know you do nothing. That is why you can't say anything.No one is trying to draw attention to themselves just trying to draw attention to one who talks a big talk then when called on it backs down because that is what it is JUST TALK. 0[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christ's mentoring is what made the 12 apostles the force they were. Let's see -- that's 12 divided by three (years) and a 100 years later , they tell me there was somewhere around 6 million Christians. But make fun of it if you will. Part of mentoring (read:discipleship) is the giving up of self. It is the carnal mind that makes a game out of sharing the gospel and comparing "success" landmarks. It is Christ's example that really matters, here -- not mine nor yours. the comparisons have been made. You ignored them then -- you would do so again if agreed to play this very immature game. What shall we call this game? "My Sword is bigger than yours?" If we are to pray in our closets -- surely our ministries are not for the purpose of attracting attention to self. I will pray that you move away from self as you continue doing what every you do "for the Lord." After all -- the head count belongs to the Lord for He is the one who adds to His assemblage. jd -- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> You Mentor but have No one that you have mentored. Impressive. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: maybe God is trying to tell you something, Kevin. The "x" in the box is probably not what you had in mind. jd -- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC for low, low rates.
Re: [TruthTalk] Piece
Found this on a Anarchist site. They are for "piece" so were in the Peace march Oct 2005, but they attacked us with sticks. This was before they escalated. PS 120:7 I am for peace: but when I speak, they are for war Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC for low, low rates.
Re: [TruthTalk] Mentoring
I only compare because we all know you do nothing. That is why you can't say anything.No one is trying to draw attention to themselves just trying to draw attention to one who talks a big talk then when called on it backs down because that is what it is JUST TALK. 0[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Christ's mentoring is what made the 12 apostles the force they were. Let's see -- that's 12 divided by three (years) and a 100 years later , they tell me there was somewhere around 6 million Christians. But make fun of it if you will. Part of mentoring (read:discipleship) is the giving up of self. It is the carnal mind that makes a game out of sharing the gospel and comparing "success" landmarks. It is Christ's example that really matters, here -- not mine nor yours. the comparisons have been made. You ignored them then -- you would do so again if agreed to play this very immature game. What shall we call this game? "My Sword is bigger than yours?" If we are to pray in our closets -- surely our ministries are not for the purpose of attracting attention to self. I will pray that you move away from self as you continue doing what every you do "for the Lord." After all -- the head count belongs to the Lord for He is the one who adds to His assemblage. jd -- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> You Mentor but have No one that you have mentored. Impressive. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:maybe God is trying to tell you something, Kevin. The "x" in the box is probably not what you had in mind. jd -- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC for low, low rates.
Re: [TruthTalk] Mentoring
Christ's mentoring is what made the 12 apostles the force they were. Let's see -- that's 12 divided by three (years) and a 100 years later , they tell me there was somewhere around 6 million Christians. But make fun of it if you will. Part of mentoring (read:discipleship) is the giving up of self. It is the carnal mind that makes a game out of sharing the gospel and comparing "success" landmarks. It is Christ's example that really matters, here -- not mine nor yours. the comparisons have been made. You ignored them then -- you would do so again if agreed to play this very immature game. What shall we call this game? "My Sword is bigger than yours?" If we are to pray in our closets -- surely our ministries are not for the purpose of attracting attention to self. I will pray that you move away from self as you continue doing what every you do "for the Lord." After all -- the head count belongs to the Lord for He is the one who adds to His assemblage. jd -- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> You Mentor but have No one that you have mentored. Impressive. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: maybe God is trying to tell you something, Kevin. The "x" in the box is probably not what you had in mind. jd -- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice.
Re: [TruthTalk] Rare and beautiful
http://www.butterflyalphabet.com/bp2.htm http://www.sciencenewsforkids.org/articles/20051116/Feature1.aspShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Subject: FW: Rare and beautiful> > New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC for low, low rates.
Re: [TruthTalk] Mentoring
You Mentor but have No one that you have mentored. Impressive. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:maybe God is trying to tell you something, Kevin. The "x" in the box is probably not what you had in mind. jd -- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice.
Re: [TruthTalk] Noah Webster
I trust you know that many are in prayer for you and yours. John -- Original message -- From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I do know that with a thankful heart, Iz. Lance - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 26, 2006 10:11 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Noah Webster I must take a moment to copy some comforting words that I was reading this week to Erin from The Spiritual World by Sadhu Sundar Singh: One day while I was praying alone, I suddenly found myself surrounded by a great concourse of spirit beings, or I might say that as soon as my spiritual eyes were opened I found myself bowed in the presence of a considerable company of saints and angels. At first I was somewhat abashed, when I saw their bright and glorious state and compared with them my own inferior quality. But I was at once put at ease by their real sympathy and love-inspired friendliness. I had already had the experience of the peace of the presence of God in my life, but the fellowship with these saints added a new and wonderful joy to me. As we conversed together I received from them answers to my questions relating to my difficulties about many problems that puzzled me. My first inquiry was about what happens at the time of dying and about the state of the soul after death. To this (question) they answered, Death is like sleep. There is no pain in the passing over, usually. As an exhausted man is overcome by deep sleep, so comes the sleep of death to man. Death comes so suddenly to many, that it is only with great difficulty that they realize that they have left the material world and entered this world of spirits. Bewildered by the many new and beautiful things that they see around them, they imagine that they are visiting some country or city of the physical world, which they have not seen before. It is only when they have been more fully instructed, and realize that their spiritual body is different from their former material body, that they allow that they have, in fact, been transferred from the material world to the realm of spirits. .Usually at the time of death the body gradually loses its power of feeling. It has no pain, but is simply overcome by a sense of drowsiness. Evil spirits can injure only those in the world who are in like nature to themselves, and then they can do it only to a limited extent. They can, indeed, trouble the righteous, but not without Gods permission. God sometimes does give to satan and his angels permission to tempt and persecute His people, that they may emerge from the trial stronger and better, as when He allowed satan to persecute His servant Job. But from such a trial there is gain rather than loss to the believer. The dying of a believer is frequently the opposite of what happens with an unbeliever. He is often extremely happy, for he sees angels and saintly spirits coming to welcome him. Then, too, his loved ones, who have died before, are permitted to attend his deathbed and to conduct his soul to the spiritual world. On entering the world of spirits he at once feels at home, for not only are his friends about him, but while in the world he had long been preparing himself for this Home by his trust in God and fellowship with Him. Another saint said, To conduct the souls of men from the world is the work of angels. Usually the Christ reveals Himself in the spiritual world to each one in degrees of glory differing in intensity according to the state of each souls spiritual development. But in some cases He Himself comes to a deathbed to welcome His servant, and in love dries his tears, and leads him into Paradise. As a child born into the world finds everything provided for its wants, so does the soul, on entering the spiritual world, find all its wants supplied. Lance, you know we are all praying for a peaceful passing for your dear Mother. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 8:46 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Noah Webster I do recall that it was not long ago for you, Judy. The prognosis is that she will not pull through. We've left DNR instructions but continue to pray. thanks, Lance - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 26, 2006 09:34 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Noah Webster I can empathize with you Lance, it was not that long ago for me. I do hope and pray she will pull through so you can share some more days with her. Any official prognosis yet? jt On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 09:14:08 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I spent some time at my mother's bedside reading, praying and talking. She has not opened her eyes. thanks Iz, Lance From: ShieldsFamily Amen, Lance! Hoping all
Re: [TruthTalk] Mentoring
maybe God is trying to tell you something, Kevin. The "x" in the box is probably not what you had in mind. jd -- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice.
Re: [TruthTalk] Izzy and Erin
Iz:He won a much deserved oscar for his performance in 'Tender Mercies'. I wish you all a wonderful evening. Lance - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 26, 2006 09:49 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Izzy and Erin After living in the city with NO garage for five years I had a severe case of garage envy! Thanks. BTW, my eyeballs were a bit red, having stayed up till 3:00 a.m. with Erin the night before. They returned to Colorado yesterday, and tonight we are having eight couples from our church small group over for pizza and to watch Tender Mercies with Robert Duval. (The house is a wreck after playing with teenagers for a weekmust get busy!) izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy TaylorSent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 8:33 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Izzy and Erin Loved all of your photos Iz, Beautiful family, lovely pets, gracious home. How about all those garages; I know that comes in handy. From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 26, 2006 08:44 Subject: [TruthTalk] Izzy and Erin With my beautiful stepdaughter, Erin, this week. Izzy I sent these photos using Adobe(R) Photoshop(R) Elements 4.0. Find out more: http://www.adobe.com/photoshopelementswin
RE: [TruthTalk] Izzy and Erin
After living in the city with NO garage for five years I had a severe case of “garage envy”! Thanks. BTW, my eyeballs were a bit red, having stayed up till 3:00 a.m. with Erin the night before. They returned to Colorado yesterday, and tonight we are having eight couples from our church “small group” over for pizza and to watch “Tender Mercies” with Robert Duval. (The house is a wreck after playing with teenagers for a week—must get busy!) izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 8:33 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Izzy and Erin Loved all of your photos Iz, Beautiful family, lovely pets, gracious home. How about all those garages; I know that comes in handy. From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 26, 2006 08:44 Subject: [TruthTalk] Izzy and Erin With my beautiful stepdaughter, Erin, this week. Izzy I sent these photos using Adobe(R) Photoshop(R) Elements 4.0. Find out more: http://www.adobe.com/photoshopelementswin
Re: [TruthTalk] Noah Webster
I can empathize with you Lance, it was not that long
ago for me. I do hope and pray she will
pull through so you can share some more days with
her. Any official prognosis yet? jt
On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 09:14:08 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
I spent some time at my mother's bedside reading,
praying and talking. She has not opened her eyes.
thanks Iz,
Lance
From: ShieldsFamily
Amen, Lance! Hoping
all is well with you, izzy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 8:06
AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Noah
Webster
Or, take your Bible and point to
Him while saying 'HE IS THE WORD'.
- Original Message -
From: ShieldsFamily
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March
26, 2006 08:33
Subject: RE:
[TruthTalk] Noah Webster
I love Crocodile
Dundee because he says, with a glint in his eye, Now THIS is a
knife! Life up your Bible and say, Now THIS is the Word! It cuts
to the quick and separates the men from the boys! J
iz
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganSent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 7:25
AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Noah
Webster
I think it's a "right back atcha"
thing
Is that so?
Well, how do you like the fact that some American
Company bought the rights to all those Paul Hogan
movies?Judy Taylor
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
I think it's a
"right back atcha" thing - for years I would go over there and hear much
lamenting about
what Americans had
bought; do you know an American Company now owns the all
Australian
delicious spread
called Vegemite?
On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 23:45:33 -0800 (PST) Kevin
Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
I've just learned
that Australia
is investing workers retirement funds in US Real
Estate
They just bought the New York Thruway. Does
that mean I need a passport, now?From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy
TaylorThanks for this Kevin
Proof of the
pudding is always in the
eating.
I've just
learned that Australia
is investing workers retirement funds in US Real Estate
also
So Lance and
his prophet don't have a whole lot of support from "down under"
either
On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 09:20:31 -0800 (PST)
Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
Lance says
Canada will not
suffer the same fate at the USA.
Ah
Ah
AH
CHOO!
excuse
me
348,000 New
York jobs are
supported by Canada-U.S. trade
Total CanadaU.S. merchandise trade: $411
billion
CanadaU.S. trade supported 5.2 million
U.S.
jobs
More people traveled between
Canada and NY
in 2004 than any other U.S.
state
14,500,000 vehicles crossed the
Canada-U.S. border at the four Niagara crossings last year,
accounting for 34% of all traffic that crossed into Ontario
ROTFL
Re: [TruthTalk] Izzy and Erin
Loved all of your photos Iz, Beautiful family, lovely pets, gracious home. How about all those garages; I know that comes in handy. From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 26, 2006 08:44 Subject: [TruthTalk] Izzy and Erin With my beautiful stepdaughter, Erin, this week. Izzy I sent these photos using Adobe(R) Photoshop(R) Elements 4.0. Find out more: http://www.adobe.com/photoshopelementswin
Re: [TruthTalk] Truth and Freedom (some food for thought)
Of course they did - the two that made it that is (Joshua and Caleb) since they didn't return with an (evil) carnal report along with all of the following generation who began with a fresh copy book. On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 13:39:33 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Good post -- as far as it goes. What you leave out is this : they never fully arrived !!! God remained patient. Kinda like it is right now. jd From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Truth and freedom go hand in hand, but truth will produce freedom only as it is walked in. This ought to be self-evident. We can know something is true, but if we fail to walk in it, what good is it? Its value to us is worthless unless it is walked in. Freedom and truth come to those who press on. Freedom, the kind of freedom that God is involved in bringing us into, comes progressively, not all at once. These are lessons from the Days of Unleavened Bread. It took the Israelites seven days to get to and across the Red Sea. It took them another forty years to get into their own land, into their inheritance, the Promised Land. Their freedom was progressive. There was a time when it began, but if they had never continued on the way, they would never have had their own land, never have had their inheritance, never have been free. This is a large part of the object lesson: We have to continue. If we continue, then we will truly be a disciple. We will understand the truth, and the truth will make us free. The truth of God shows us the real values of life because it shows us what we are to give our life to.
RE: [TruthTalk] Noah Webster
She is in God’s arms. So glad she has such a devoted son. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 8:14 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Noah Webster I spent some time at my mother's bedside reading, praying and talking. She has not opened her eyes. thanks Iz, Lance - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 26, 2006 09:06 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Noah Webster Amen, Lance! Hoping all is well with you, izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 8:06 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Noah Webster Or, take your Bible and point to Him while saying 'HE IS THE WORD'. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 26, 2006 08:33 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Noah Webster I love Crocodile Dundee because he says, with a glint in his eye, “Now THIS is a knife!” Life up your Bible and say, “Now THIS is the Word!” It cuts to the quick and separates the men from the boys! J iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Deegan Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 7:25 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Noah Webster I think it's a "right back atcha" thing Is that so? Well, how do you like the fact that some American Company bought the rights to all those Paul Hogan movies? Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think it's a "right back atcha" thing - for years I would go over there and hear much lamenting about what Americans had bought; do you know an American Company now owns the all Australian delicious spread called Vegemite? On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 23:45:33 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I've just learned that Australia is investing workers retirement funds in US Real Estate They just bought the New York Thruway. Does that mean I need a passport, now? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor Thanks for this Kevin Proof of the pudding is always in the eating. I've just learned that Australia is investing workers retirement funds in US Real Estate also So Lance and his prophet don't have a whole lot of support from "down under" either On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 09:20:31 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Lance says Canada will not suffer the same fate at the USA. Ah Ah AH CHOO! excuse me 348,000 New York jobs are supported by Canada-U.S. trade Total Canada–U.S. merchandise trade: $411 billion Canada–U.S. trade supported 5.2 million U.S. jobs More people traveled between Canada and NY in 2004 than any other U.S. state 14,500,000 vehicles crossed the Canada-U.S. border at the four Niagara crossings last year, accounting for 34% of all traffic that crossed into Ontario ROTFL With this many US Jobs gone, could CanaDUH rebound? http://www.2ontario.com/welcome/coca_401.asp Seeing that a FULL 84% of CanaDUHs exports are US Calculator please That leaves 16%, can CanaDUH's economy survive on 16% of its present exports? Remember that the Total export/imports of canada represents a FULL 2/3rds of their GDP! SIZE does matter! Thanks for the add'l example of mindless parroting. Don't you just HATE Ignorance? I guess it is better than letting it go to waste. Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The 'prophet' (take note, David) said otherwise in November. Canada will not suffer the same fate at the USA. Size does matter but, it's not the only thing that matters. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 25, 2006 08:03 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Noah Webster Don't worry Lance, if the USA implodes - Canada and Europe will go with it - at present when the US sneezes the rest of the world catch a cold. Such envy and jealousy from the North ... Goodness gracious! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Most on TT will live to see the implosion of the USA. At what point will you declare bankruptcy. You don't have the option of moving out of your old house and
RE: [TruthTalk] Invitation.
Thanks. Visit soon! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 8:11 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Invitation. My goodness but it's striking. Many happy years. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 26, 2006 08:52 Subject: [TruthTalk] Invitation. The new house. It has a dark green roof. Plenty of bedrooms. Every one of you on TT (yes, even YOU, Gary!), come and visit us anytime, PLEASE!!! Izzy I sent these photos using Adobe(R) Photoshop(R) Elements 4.0. Find out more: http://www.adobe.com/photoshopelementswin
RE: [TruthTalk] Izzy and Erin
Whodathunkit??? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 8:09 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Izzy and Erin It's good to see you, Iz. Good eyes! There's a real person in there. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 26, 2006 08:44 Subject: [TruthTalk] Izzy and Erin With my beautiful stepdaughter, Erin, this week. Izzy I sent these photos using Adobe(R) Photoshop(R) Elements 4.0. Find out more: http://www.adobe.com/photoshopelementswin
Re: [TruthTalk] Noah Webster
I spent some time at my mother's bedside reading,
praying and talking. She has not opened her eyes.
thanks Iz,
Lance
- Original Message -
From:
ShieldsFamily
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 26, 2006 09:06
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Noah
Webster
Amen, Lance! Hoping
all is well with you, izzy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 8:06
AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Noah
Webster
Or, take your Bible and point to
Him while saying 'HE IS THE WORD'.
- Original Message -
From: ShieldsFamily
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March
26, 2006 08:33
Subject: RE:
[TruthTalk] Noah Webster
I love Crocodile
Dundee because he says, with a glint in his eye, Now THIS is a
knife! Life up your Bible and say, Now THIS is the Word! It cuts to
the quick and separates the men from the boys! J
iz
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganSent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 7:25
AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Noah
Webster
I think it's a "right back atcha"
thing
Is that so?
Well, how do you like the fact that some American
Company bought the rights to all those Paul Hogan movies?Judy Taylor
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
I think it's a "right back atcha"
thing - for years I would go over there and hear much lamenting
about
what Americans had bought; do you
know an American Company now owns the all
Australian
delicious spread called
Vegemite?
On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 23:45:33 -0800 (PST) Kevin
Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
I've just learned
that Australia
is investing workers retirement funds in US Real
Estate
They just bought the New York Thruway. Does that
mean I need a passport, now?From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy
TaylorThanks for this Kevin
Proof of the
pudding is always in the
eating.
I've just learned
that Australia
is investing workers retirement funds in US Real Estate
also
So Lance and his
prophet don't have a whole lot of support from "down under"
either
On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 09:20:31 -0800 (PST) Kevin
Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
Lance says
Canada will not
suffer the same fate at the USA.
Ah
Ah
AH
CHOO!
excuse
me
348,000 New
York jobs are
supported by Canada-U.S. trade
Total CanadaU.S. merchandise trade: $411
billion
CanadaU.S. trade supported 5.2 million
U.S.
jobs
More people traveled between
Canada and NY in
2004 than any other U.S.
state
14,500,000 vehicles crossed the Canada-U.S.
border at the four Niagara crossings last year, accounting for 34%
of all traffic that crossed into Ontario
ROTFL
With this many US Jobs gone, could CanaDUH
rebound?
http://www.2ontario.com/welcome/coca_401.asp
Seeing that a FULL 84% of CanaDUHs exports
are US
Calculator
please
That leaves 16%, can CanaDUH's economy
survive on 16% of its present
exports?
Remember that the Total export/i
Re: [TruthTalk] Invitation.
My goodness but it's striking. Many happy years. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 26, 2006 08:52 Subject: [TruthTalk] Invitation. The new house. It has a dark green roof. Plenty of bedrooms. Every one of you on TT (yes, even YOU, Gary!), come and visit us anytime, PLEASE!!! Izzy I sent these photos using Adobe(R) Photoshop(R) Elements 4.0. Find out more: http://www.adobe.com/photoshopelementswin
Re: [TruthTalk] Izzy and Erin
It's good to see you, Iz. Good eyes! There's a real person in there. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 26, 2006 08:44 Subject: [TruthTalk] Izzy and Erin With my beautiful stepdaughter, Erin, this week. Izzy I sent these photos using Adobe(R) Photoshop(R) Elements 4.0. Find out more: http://www.adobe.com/photoshopelementswin
RE: [TruthTalk] Noah Webster
Amen, Lance! Hoping all is well with you, izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 8:06 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Noah Webster Or, take your Bible and point to Him while saying 'HE IS THE WORD'. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 26, 2006 08:33 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Noah Webster I love Crocodile Dundee because he says, with a glint in his eye, “Now THIS is a knife!” Life up your Bible and say, “Now THIS is the Word!” It cuts to the quick and separates the men from the boys! J iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Deegan Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 7:25 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Noah Webster I think it's a "right back atcha" thing Is that so? Well, how do you like the fact that some American Company bought the rights to all those Paul Hogan movies? Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think it's a "right back atcha" thing - for years I would go over there and hear much lamenting about what Americans had bought; do you know an American Company now owns the all Australian delicious spread called Vegemite? On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 23:45:33 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I've just learned that Australia is investing workers retirement funds in US Real Estate They just bought the New York Thruway. Does that mean I need a passport, now? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor Thanks for this Kevin Proof of the pudding is always in the eating. I've just learned that Australia is investing workers retirement funds in US Real Estate also So Lance and his prophet don't have a whole lot of support from "down under" either On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 09:20:31 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Lance says Canada will not suffer the same fate at the USA. Ah Ah AH CHOO! excuse me 348,000 New York jobs are supported by Canada-U.S. trade Total Canada–U.S. merchandise trade: $411 billion Canada–U.S. trade supported 5.2 million U.S. jobs More people traveled between Canada and NY in 2004 than any other U.S. state 14,500,000 vehicles crossed the Canada-U.S. border at the four Niagara crossings last year, accounting for 34% of all traffic that crossed into Ontario ROTFL With this many US Jobs gone, could CanaDUH rebound? http://www.2ontario.com/welcome/coca_401.asp Seeing that a FULL 84% of CanaDUHs exports are US Calculator please That leaves 16%, can CanaDUH's economy survive on 16% of its present exports? Remember that the Total export/imports of canada represents a FULL 2/3rds of their GDP! SIZE does matter! Thanks for the add'l example of mindless parroting. Don't you just HATE Ignorance? I guess it is better than letting it go to waste. Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The 'prophet' (take note, David) said otherwise in November. Canada will not suffer the same fate at the USA. Size does matter but, it's not the only thing that matters. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 25, 2006 08:03 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Noah Webster Don't worry Lance, if the USA implodes - Canada and Europe will go with it - at present when the US sneezes the rest of the world catch a cold. Such envy and jealousy from the North ... Goodness gracious! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Most on TT will live to see the implosion of the USA. At what point will you declare bankruptcy. You don't have the option of moving out of your old house and into a new one. From: ShieldsFamily http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noah_Webster As a teacher, he had come to dislike American elementary schools. They could be overcrowded, with up to seventy children of all ages crammed into one-room schoolhouses, poorly staffed with untrained teachers, and poorly equipped with no desks and unsatisfactory textbooks which came from England. Webster thought that Americans should learn from American books, so he began writing a three volume compendium, A Grammatical Institute of the English La
Re: [TruthTalk] Noah Webster
Or, take your Bible and point to Him while saying 'HE IS THE WORD'. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 26, 2006 08:33 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Noah Webster I love Crocodile Dundee because he says, with a glint in his eye, Now THIS is a knife! Life up your Bible and say, Now THIS is the Word! It cuts to the quick and separates the men from the boys! J iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganSent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 7:25 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Noah Webster I think it's a "right back atcha" thing Is that so? Well, how do you like the fact that some American Company bought the rights to all those Paul Hogan movies?Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think it's a "right back atcha" thing - for years I would go over there and hear much lamenting about what Americans had bought; do you know an American Company now owns the all Australian delicious spread called Vegemite? On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 23:45:33 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I've just learned that Australia is investing workers retirement funds in US Real Estate They just bought the New York Thruway. Does that mean I need a passport, now?From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy TaylorThanks for this Kevin Proof of the pudding is always in the eating. I've just learned that Australia is investing workers retirement funds in US Real Estate also So Lance and his prophet don't have a whole lot of support from "down under" either On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 09:20:31 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Lance says Canada will not suffer the same fate at the USA. Ah Ah AH CHOO! excuse me 348,000 New York jobs are supported by Canada-U.S. trade Total CanadaU.S. merchandise trade: $411 billion CanadaU.S. trade supported 5.2 million U.S. jobs More people traveled between Canada and NY in 2004 than any other U.S. state 14,500,000 vehicles crossed the Canada-U.S. border at the four Niagara crossings last year, accounting for 34% of all traffic that crossed into Ontario ROTFL With this many US Jobs gone, could CanaDUH rebound? http://www.2ontario.com/welcome/coca_401.asp Seeing that a FULL 84% of CanaDUHs exports are US Calculator please That leaves 16%, can CanaDUH's economy survive on 16% of its present exports? Remember that the Total export/imports of canada represents a FULL 2/3rds of their GDP! SIZE does matter! Thanks for the add'l example of mindless parroting. Don't you just HATE Ignorance? I guess it is better than letting it go to waste. Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The 'prophet' (take note, David) said otherwise in November. Canada will not suffer the same fate at the USA. Size does matter but, it's not the only thing that matters. - Original Message -
Re: [TruthTalk] Mentoring
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RE: [TruthTalk] Invitation.
BTW, we didn’t even notice until the house was completed—did you see the cross on the front window? We will outline it with little white lights this Christmas. izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ShieldsFamily Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 7:52 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: [TruthTalk] Invitation. The new house. It has a dark green roof. Plenty of bedrooms. Every one of you on TT (yes, even YOU, Gary!), come and visit us anytime, PLEASE!!! Izzy I sent these photos using Adobe(R) Photoshop(R) Elements 4.0. Find out more: http://www.adobe.com/photoshopelementswin
Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
And OH YEAH, JD Be sure to list what the men you have "Mentored" are doing now. Things like Full time missionaries, Pastors, Street Preachers, or in your case whatever it is that they DO and that you have mentored them up & onward to... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Can't make disciples without mentoring - it is impossible. Apparently you do not know this -- I'm guessing you don't do it or you wouldn't make fun of the idea. jd -- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Go ye into all the world and Mentor the Gospel! Who have you mentored? Do you have any men?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:tower power -- nothing much to report in terms of results. Protest-evangelism -- ditto. Mentor evangeliism -- it is the method of historical record --- how he church grew from 12 to several million within its first 100 years of life. jd -- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> So tell us about it. Results?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Results that combine both commands, "preach the gospel" and "make disciples/" jd -- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Results? #3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Three kinds of evangelism present on this list. 1.. Drive-bye or protest evangelismKevin , Dean, David (often but not always) 2. Tower of power evangelism -- where the saint does her best work at home and not in the real world. 3. Mentor evangelism (Lance , Bill and others) We don't agree, Judy, because the paradigm for evangelism is not the same. you in your home and me in my world, where I live, where people see me everyday. -- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> If there are christian teachers in the system (and there are) who must teach theories of evolution that they do not believe. What's wrong with teaching the other side also even if there are unbelievers teaching it There are also unbelievers in different churches these days teaching all kinds of things. The student has the responsibility to search it out for themselves. On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 12:32:49 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:What's scary is that you think the solution is to have an antagonistic educator "teach" what he does not believe -- you thinking, of course, that he will do so without commentary that thoroughly negates the purpose of this compromise. In the real world, Linda, you simply cannot construct a model in which this will work to our (the Christian church -- whose address do we use , again ??) favor. In fact, to get all the warring factions to agree, the stateent on creationism would be so watered down as to be really meaningless. From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Scary to the max. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:14 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism Of course. But that is not really the issue. -- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> So IYO it is better to have secular folk teaching untruth than truth. I see . izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:46 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism It's not what is taught (for me and in this case) so much as it is WHO TEACHES THEM. You want the secular world to be responsible -- I don't. jd -- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > So, here we are, back to the fact that IF you believed something to be true > you would NOT want children to be taught about it. Can you see why some of > us aren't following your logic? iz > > -Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir > Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:28 AM > To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism > > IZ:No, I would not. > > > - Original Message - > From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] .C OM>> To: > Sent: March 25, 2006 06:14 > ; Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism > > > & gt; Dodging the question, as usual. iz > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lanc
Re: [TruthTalk] Noah Webster
Since you are right about everything else, you must be right about this. Sorry I asked. jd -- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Your buddy JD, the one who sent you the baseball bat; apparently he was lucid enough to accomplish that; the rest of the time he is obsessed by dualism. On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 13:28:49 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Who is Gary Olson? From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> LOL! So true as to be hilarious. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor What was dualistic about that comment Gary Olson? It is world affairs that's all... You are truly weird, strange, weird ... Why do you truncate what ppl write and insert your own comments - ultimately making it appear the person said something they did not. Oh I understand - you do the same with God's Words. O' the shame of it. On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 13:33:31 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: more evidence of jt's implicit dualism On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 12:49:07 -0500 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [while eschatological] Proof of the pudding is always in the eating...[is'nt] Australia..investing workers retirement funds in [biblically questionable] Real Estate also[?]
Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
Not so JD. that is Job ONE 1 CO 1:11 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ. Lets compare lists of "men" that follow. Since you are big on this is the way let us see how you walk in it. BTW just what things in you, do they follow? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Can't make disciples without mentoring - it is impossible. Apparently you do not know this -- I'm guessing you don't do it or you wouldn't make fun of the idea. jd jd -- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Go ye into all the world and Mentor the Gospel! Who have you mentored? Do you have any men?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:tower power -- nothing much to report in terms of results. Protest-evangelism -- ditto. Mentor evangeliism -- it is the method of historical record --- how he church grew from 12 to several million within its first 100 years of life. jd -- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> So tell us about it. Results?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Results that combine both commands, "preach the gospel" and "make disciples/" jd -- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Results? #3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Three kinds of evangelism present on this list. 1.. Drive-bye or protest evangelismKevin , Dean, David (often but not always) 2. Tower of power evangelism -- where the saint does her best work at home and not in the real world. 3. Mentor evangelism (Lance , Bill and others) We don't agree, Judy, because the paradigm for evangelism is not the same. you in your home and me in my world, where I live, where people see me everyday. -- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> If there are christian teachers in the system (and there are) who must teach theories of evolution that they do not believe. What's wrong with teaching the other side also even if there are unbelievers teaching it There are also unbelievers in different churches these days teaching all kinds of things. The student has the responsibility to search it out for themselves. On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 12:32:49 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:What's scary is that you think the solution is to have an antagonistic educator "teach" what he does not believe -- you thinking, of course, that he will do so without commentary that thoroughly negates the purpose of this compromise. In the real world, Linda, you simply cannot construct a model in which this will work to our (the Christian church -- whose address do we use , again ??) favor. In fact, to get all the warring factions to agree, the stateent on creationism would be so watered down as to be really meaningless. From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Scary to the max. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:14 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism Of course. But that is not really the issue. -- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> So IYO it is better to have secular folk teaching untruth than truth. I see . izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:46 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism It's not what is taught (for me and in this case) so much as it is WHO TEACHES THEM. You want the secular world to be responsible -- I don't. jd -- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > So, here we are, back to the fact that IF you believed something to be true > you would NOT want children to be taught about it. Can you see why some of > us aren't following your logic? iz > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir > Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:28 AM > To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism > > IZ:No, I would not. > > > - Original Message - > From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] .C OM>> To: > Sent: March 25, 2006 06:14 > ; Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism > > > & gt; Dodging the question, as usual. iz > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTE
Re: [TruthTalk] Truth and Freedom (some food for thought)
Good post -- as far as it goes. What you leave out is this : they never fully arrived !!! God remained patient. Kinda like it is right now. jd -- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Truth and freedom go hand in hand, but truth will produce freedom only as it is walked in. This ought to be self-evident. We can know something is true, but if we fail to walk in it, what good is it? Its value to us is worthless unless it is walked in. Freedom and truth come to those who press on. Freedom, the kind of freedom that God is involved in bringing us into, comes progressively, not all at once. These are lessons from the Days of Unleavened Bread. It took the Israelites seven days to get to and across the Red Sea. It took them another forty years to get into their own land, into their inheritance, the Promised Land. Their freedom was progressive. There was a time when it began, but if they had never continued on the way, they would never have had their own land, never have had their inheritance, never have been free. This is a large part of the object lesson: We have to continue. If we continue, then we will truly be a disciple. We will understand the truth, and the truth will make us free. The truth of God shows us the real values of life because it shows us what we are to give our life to.
RE: [TruthTalk] Noah Webster
He probably sent two bats! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 7:33 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Noah Webster Your buddy JD, the one who sent you the baseball bat; apparently he was lucid enough to accomplish that; the rest of the time he is obsessed by dualism. On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 13:28:49 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Who is Gary Olson? From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> LOL! So true as to be hilarious. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor What was dualistic about that comment Gary Olson? It is world affairs that's all... You are truly weird, strange, weird ... Why do you truncate what ppl write and insert your own comments - ultimately making it appear the person said something they did not. Oh I understand - you do the same with God's Words. O' the shame of it. On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 13:33:31 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: more evidence of jt's implicit dualism On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 12:49:07 -0500 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [while eschatological] Proof of the pudding is always in the eating...[is'nt] Australia..investing workers retirement funds in [biblically questionable] Real Estate also[?]
Re: [TruthTalk] Noah Webster
Your buddy JD, the one who sent you the baseball bat; apparently he was lucid enough to accomplish that; the rest of the time he is obsessed by dualism. On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 13:28:49 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Who is Gary Olson? From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> LOL! So true as to be hilarious. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor What was dualistic about that comment Gary Olson? It is world affairs that's all... You are truly weird, strange, weird ... Why do you truncate what ppl write and insert your own comments - ultimately making it appear the person said something they did not. Oh I understand - you do the same with God's Words. O' the shame of it. On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 13:33:31 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: more evidence of jt's implicit dualism On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 12:49:07 -0500 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [while eschatological] Proof of the pudding is always in the eating...[is'nt] Australia..investing workers retirement funds in [biblically questionable] Real Estate also[?]
RE: [TruthTalk] Noah Webster
I love Crocodile Dundee because he says, with a glint in his eye, “Now THIS is a knife!” Life up your Bible and say, “Now THIS is the Word!” It cuts to the quick and separates the men from the boys! J iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Deegan Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 7:25 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Noah Webster I think it's a "right back atcha" thing Is that so? Well, how do you like the fact that some American Company bought the rights to all those Paul Hogan movies? Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think it's a "right back atcha" thing - for years I would go over there and hear much lamenting about what Americans had bought; do you know an American Company now owns the all Australian delicious spread called Vegemite? On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 23:45:33 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I've just learned that Australia is investing workers retirement funds in US Real Estate They just bought the New York Thruway. Does that mean I need a passport, now? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor Thanks for this Kevin Proof of the pudding is always in the eating. I've just learned that Australia is investing workers retirement funds in US Real Estate also So Lance and his prophet don't have a whole lot of support from "down under" either On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 09:20:31 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Lance says Canada will not suffer the same fate at the USA. Ah Ah AH CHOO! excuse me 348,000 New York jobs are supported by Canada-U.S. trade Total Canada–U.S. merchandise trade: $411 billion Canada–U.S. trade supported 5.2 million U.S. jobs More people traveled between Canada and NY in 2004 than any other U.S. state 14,500,000 vehicles crossed the Canada-U.S. border at the four Niagara crossings last year, accounting for 34% of all traffic that crossed into Ontario ROTFL With this many US Jobs gone, could CanaDUH rebound? http://www.2ontario.com/welcome/coca_401.asp Seeing that a FULL 84% of CanaDUHs exports are US Calculator please That leaves 16%, can CanaDUH's economy survive on 16% of its present exports? Remember that the Total export/imports of canada represents a FULL 2/3rds of their GDP! SIZE does matter! Thanks for the add'l example of mindless parroting. Don't you just HATE Ignorance? I guess it is better than letting it go to waste. Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The 'prophet' (take note, David) said otherwise in November. Canada will not suffer the same fate at the USA. Size does matter but, it's not the only thing that matters. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 25, 2006 08:03 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Noah Webster Don't worry Lance, if the USA implodes - Canada and Europe will go with it - at present when the US sneezes the rest of the world catch a cold. Such envy and jealousy from the North ... Goodness gracious! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Most on TT will live to see the implosion of the USA. At what point will you declare bankruptcy. You don't have the option of moving out of your old house and into a new one. From: ShieldsFamily http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noah_Webster As a teacher, he had come to dislike American elementary schools. They could be overcrowded, with up to seventy children of all ages crammed into one-room schoolhouses, poorly staffed with untrained teachers, and poorly equipped with no desks and unsatisfactory textbooks which came from England. Webster thought that Americans should learn from American books, so he began writing a three volume compendium, A Grammatical Institute of the English Language. The work consisted of a speller (published in 1783), a grammar (published in 1784), and a reader (published in 1785). His goal was to provide a uniquely American, Christ-centered approach to training children. The speller was originally entitled The First Part of the Grammatical Institute of the English Language. The title was changed in 1786 to The American Spelling Book, and again in 1829 to The Elementary Spelling Book. Most people called it the "Blue-Backed Speller" because
RE: [TruthTalk] Noah Webster
Who is Linda? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 7:29 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Noah Webster Who is Gary Olson? -- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> LOL! So true as to be hilarious. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 3:04 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Noah Webster What was dualistic about that comment Gary Olson? It is world affairs that's all... You are truly weird, strange, weird ... Why do you truncate what ppl write and insert your own comments - ultimately making it appear the person said something they did not. Oh I understand - you do the same with God's Words. O' the shame of it. On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 13:33:31 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: more evidence of jt's implicit dualism On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 12:49:07 -0500 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [while eschatological] Proof of the pudding is always in the eating...[is'nt] Australia..investing workers retirement funds in [biblically questionable] Real Estate also[?]
Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
Can't make disciples without mentoring - it is impossible. Apparently you do not know this -- I'm guessing you don't do it or you wouldn't make fun of the idea. jd jd -- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Go ye into all the world and Mentor the Gospel! Who have you mentored? Do you have any men?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: tower power -- nothing much to report in terms of results. Protest-evangelism -- ditto. Mentor evangeliism -- it is the method of historical record --- how he church grew from 12 to several million within its first 100 years of life. jd -- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> So tell us about it. Results?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Results that combine both commands, "preach the gospel" and "make disciples/" jd -- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Results? #3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Three kinds of evangelism present on this list. 1.. Drive-bye or protest evangelismKevin , Dean, David (often but not always) 2. Tower of power evangelism -- where the saint does her best work at home and not in the real world. 3. Mentor evangelism (Lance , Bill and others) We don't agree, Judy, because the paradigm for evangelism is not the same. you in your home and me in my world, where I live, where people see me everyday. -- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> If there are christian teachers in the system (and there are) who must teach theories of evolution that they do not believe. What's wrong with teaching the other side also even if there are unbelievers teaching it There are also unbelievers in different churches these days teaching all kinds of things. The student has the responsibility to search it out for themselves. On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 12:32:49 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What's scary is that you think the solution is to have an antagonistic educator "teach" what he does not believe -- you thinking, of course, that he will do so without commentary that thoroughly negates the purpose of this compromise. In the real world, Linda, you simply cannot construct a model in which this will work to our (the Christian church -- whose address do we use , again ??) favor. In fact, to get all the warring factions to agree, the stateent on creationism would be so watered down as to be really meaningless. From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Scary to the max. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:14 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism Of course. But that is not really the issue. -- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> So IYO it is better to have secular folk teaching untruth than truth. I see . izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:46 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism It's not what is taught (for me and in this case) so much as it is WHO TEACHES THEM. You want the secular world to be responsible -- I don't. jd -- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > So, here we are, back to the fact that IF you believed something to be true > you would NOT want children to be taught about it. Can you see why some of > us aren't following your logic? iz > > -Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir > Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:28 AM > To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism > > IZ:No, I would not. > > > - Original Message - > From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] OM .C>> To: > Sent: March 25, 2006 06:14 > ; Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism > > > & gt; Dodging the question, as usual. iz > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir > > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:54 PM > > To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org > > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism > > > > It ain't true. It's a hyperbolic hypothetical, Iz. > > > > . > > - Original Message - > > From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> &g
Re: [TruthTalk] Noah Webster
I didn't know about it - but it wouldn't bother
Australians; they are not pleased with Paul Hogan ... mainly
because he got carried away with celebrity and left his
wife and mother of his five children Noela to
marry the girl in his first movie. He lives in
California most of the time now and is not the "unsophisticated"
steel rigger he once was.
On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 05:24:44 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
I think it's a "right back atcha" thing
Is that so?
Well, how do you like the fact that some American Company bought the
rights to all those Paul Hogan movies?Judy Taylor
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I think it's a "right back atcha" thing - for years
I would go over there and hear much lamenting about
what Americans had bought; do you know an American
Company now owns the all Australian
delicious spread called Vegemite?
On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 23:45:33 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
I've just learned that
Australia is investing workers
retirement funds in US Real Estate
They just bought
the New York Thruway. Does that mean I need a passport, now? From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy
TaylorThanks for this
Kevin
Proof of the
pudding is always in the eating.
I've just learned
that Australia is investing
workers retirement funds in US Real Estate
also
So Lance and his
prophet don't have a whole lot of support from "down under"
either
On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 09:20:31 -0800 (PST) Kevin
Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
Lance says
Canada will not
suffer the same fate at the USA.
Ah
Ah
AH
CHOO!
excuse me
348,000 New York jobs are supported by
Canada-U.S. trade
Total CanadaU.S. merchandise trade: $411
billion
CanadaU.S. trade supported 5.2 million
U.S. jobs
More people traveled between
Canada and NY in
2004 than any other U.S. state
14,500,000 vehicles crossed the Canada-U.S.
border at the four Niagara crossings last year, accounting for 34% of
all traffic that crossed into Ontario
ROTFL
With this many US Jobs gone, could CanaDUH
rebound?
http://www.2ontario.com/welcome/coca_401.asp
Seeing that a FULL 84% of CanaDUHs exports are
US
Calculator
please
That leaves 16%, can CanaDUH's economy survive
on 16% of its present exports?
Remember that the Total export/imports of
canada represents a FULL
2/3rds of their GDP!
SIZE does
matter!
Thanks for the add'l example of
mindless parroting.
Don't you just HATE
Ignorance?
I guess it is better than letting
it go to waste.
Lance Muir
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
The 'prophet' (take
note, David) said otherwise in November. Canada will not suffer the same fate
at the USA. Size does matter
but, it's not the only thing that
matters.
- Original Message
-
From: Judy Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 25, 2006
08:03
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Noah
Webster
Don't worry
Lance, if the USA implodes - Canada and Europe will go with it - at present when
the
US sneezes
the rest of the world catch a cold. Such envy and jealousy
from the North ... Goodness
gracious!
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
The liberals have some kind of Papist FIXATION that their Opinion should affect your Opinion! Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Opinion??? Oh well!! "So what is man whose breath is in his nostril??" I will "ditto" Izzy - There is just one that matters to me and it is not yours JD On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 02:18:30 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Judy -- I do know what you believe. Let me make something clear since our time together is quickly coming to an end. "Carnal" applies to you, IMO, because of what I see as a reliance on your own brand of intellectualism. As a result, you own the most unusual collection of theological opinions I have ever seen. On the good side, you are one of the most imaginative theologians I know something I actually respect. It is what I see in Barth and the others. what is most difficult is your attitude during a discussion. You simply do not know how to disagree without the personal assault. On other forums, I am not nearly as aggressive as I am here -- but there simply is no other way to be when in the presence of you, Linda, Kev and even David (at times). I know that you will not agree with any of my view expressed above -- but most of what I have said is, IMO, a good report of you. Finally, if your posts do not tell us what you believe, your purpose for writing is suspect. Since I can read, I do know what you believe. jd -- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I know enough to recognize the real when I see it and so do my BSF buddies You JD, don't know what I believe, nor can you evaluate my BSF buddies Quit being so presumptuous, it is not a godly trait On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 00:26:45 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Refer to Matt 28 19ff and Mark 16:15 ff -- and stop prestending that you alone understand scripture. Your BSF buddies do not think much of your theology, that is for sure. jd From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "preach the gospel" and "make disciples/" Aberrent theologies make little cookie cutter disciples just like Lance and Bill Only Jesus' Words make disciples that look like Him On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 23:46:52 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Results that combine both commands, "preach the gospel" and "make disciples/" jd -- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Results? #3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Three kinds of evangelism present on this list. 1.. Drive-bye or protest evangelismKevin , Dean, David (often but not always) 2. Tower of power evangelism -- where the saint does her best work at home and not in the real world. 3. Mentor evangelism (Lance , Bill and others) We don't agree, Judy, because the paradigm for evangelism is not the same. you in your home and me in my world, where I live, where people see me everyday. -- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> If there are christian teachers in the system (and there are) who must teach theories of evolution that they do not believe. What's wrong with teaching the other side also even if there are unbelievers teaching it There are also unbelievers in different churches these days teaching all kinds of things. The student has the responsibility to search it out for themselves. On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 12:32:49 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:What's scary is that you think the solution is to have an antagonistic educator "teach" what he does not believe -- you thinking, of course, that he will do so without commentary that thoroughly negates the purpose of this compromise. In the real world, Linda, you simply cannot construct a model in which this will work to our (the Christian church -- whose address do we use , again ??) favor. In fact, to get all the warring factions to agree, the stateent on creationism would be so watered down as to be really meaningless. From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Scary to the max. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:14 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism Of course. But that is not really the issue. -- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> So IYO it is better to have secular folk teaching untruth than truth. I see . izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:46 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@
RE: [TruthTalk] Noah Webster
Who is Gary Olson? -- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> LOL! So true as to be hilarious. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy TaylorSent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 3:04 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Noah Webster What was dualistic about that comment Gary Olson? It is world affairs that's all... You are truly weird, strange, weird ... Why do you truncate what ppl write and insert your own comments - ultimately making it appear the person said something they did not. Oh I understand - you do the same with God's Words. O' the shame of it. On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 13:33:31 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: more evidence of jt's implicit dualism On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 12:49:07 -0500 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [while eschatological] Proof of the pudding is always in the eating...[is'nt] Australia..investing workers retirement funds in [biblically questionable] Real Estate also[?]
RE: [TruthTalk] Truth and Freedom (some food for thought)
Keep on keeping on, Jude! iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 5:33 AM To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: [TruthTalk] Truth and Freedom (some food for thought) Truth and freedom go hand in hand, but truth will produce freedom only as it is walked in. This ought to be self-evident. We can know something is true, but if we fail to walk in it, what good is it? Its value to us is worthless unless it is walked in. Freedom and truth come to those who press on. Freedom, the kind of freedom that God is involved in bringing us into, comes progressively, not all at once. These are lessons from the Days of Unleavened Bread. It took the Israelites seven days to get to and across the Red Sea. It took them another forty years to get into their own land, into their inheritance, the Promised Land. Their freedom was progressive. There was a time when it began, but if they had never continued on the way, they would never have had their own land, never have had their inheritance, never have been free. This is a large part of the object lesson: We have to continue. If we continue, then we will truly be a disciple. We will understand the truth, and the truth will make us free. The truth of God shows us the real values of life because it shows us what we are to give our life to.
Re: [TruthTalk] Noah Webster
I think it's a "right back atcha" thing Is that so? Well, how do you like the fact that some American Company bought the rights to all those Paul Hogan movies?Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think it's a "right back atcha" thing - for years I would go over there and hear much lamenting about what Americans had bought; do you know an American Company now owns the all Australian delicious spread called Vegemite? On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 23:45:33 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:I've just learned that Australia is investing workers retirement funds in US Real Estate They just bought the New York Thruway. Does that mean I need a passport, now? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy TaylorThanks for this KevinProof of the pudding is always in the eating.I've just learned that Australia is investing workers retirement funds in US Real Estate alsoSo Lance and his prophet don't have a whole lot of support from "down under" either On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 09:20:31 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Lance says Canada will not suffer the same fate at the USA. Ah Ah AH CHOO! excuse me 348,000 New York jobs are supported by Canada-U.S. trade Total CanadaU.S. merchandise trade: $411 billion CanadaU.S. trade supported 5.2 million U.S. jobs More people traveled between Canada and NY in 2004 than any other U.S. state 14,500,000 vehicles crossed the Canada-U.S. border at the four Niagara crossings last year, accounting for 34% of all traffic that crossed into Ontario ROTFLWith this many US Jobs gone, could CanaDUH rebound? http://www.2ontario.com/welcome/coca_401.aspSeeing that a FULL 84% of CanaDUHs exports are US Calculator pleaseThat leaves 16%, can CanaDUH's economy survive on 16% of its present exports?Remember that the Total export/imports of canada represents a FULL 2/3rds of their GDP!SIZE does matter! Thanks for the add'l example of mindless parroting.Don't you just HATE Ignorance?I guess it is better than letting it go to waste.Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The 'prophet' (take note, David) said otherwise in November. Canada will not suffer the same fate at the USA. Size does matter but, it's not the only thing that matters. - Original Message ----- From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 25, 2006 08:03Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Noah Webster Don't worry Lance, if the USA implodes - Canada and Europe will go with it - at present when theUS sneezes the rest of the world catch a cold. Such envy and jealousy from the North ... Goodness gracious! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirMost on TT will live to see the implosion of the USA. At what point will you declare bankruptcy. You don't have the option of moving out of your old house and into a new one.From: ShieldsFamily http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noah_Webster As a teacher, he had come to dislike American elementary schools. They could be overcrowded, with up to seventy children of all ages crammed into one-room schoolhouses, poorly staffed with untrained teachers, and poorly equipped with no desks and unsatisfactory textbooks which came from England. Webster thought that Americans should learn from American books, so he began writing a three volume compendium, A Grammatical Institute of the English Language. The work consisted of a speller (published in 1783), a grammar (published in 1784), and a reader (published in 1785). His goal was to provide a uniquely American, Christ-centered approach to training children.The speller was originally entitled The First Part of the Grammatical Institute of the English Language. The title was changed in 1786 to The American Spelling Book, and again in 1829 to The Elementary Spelling Book. Most people called it the "Blue-Backed Speller" because of its blue cover, and for the next one hundred years, Webster's book taught children how to read, spell, and pronounce words. It was the most popular American book of its time; by 1861, it was selling a million copies per year, and its royalty of less than one cent per copy was enough to sustain Webster in his other endeavors. Even Ben Franklin used Webster's book to teach his granddaughter how to read. Noah was generally known to be Christian. It is reported that Noah Websters 1828 American Dictionary contains the greatest number of Biblical definitions given in any reference volume. Webster considered "education useless without the Bible.""In my view, the Christian religion is the most important and one of the first things in w
RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
Pretty close! J From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Deegan Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 10:15 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism Izzy PS She was driving a nicer car than I have; but then so does everyone. “-) ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Oh, how the Libs LOVE demeaning Wal-Mart! How very predictable you would bring it up. And what is your PROBLEM with Wal-Mart? Oh, they don’t pay enough or give enough benefits to those POOR people who work there; so SAD! My book club (SLU Women’s Club) read some lib’s expose on Wal-Mart and they were all up in arms about how they refuse to shop there. A few months later which merchant allowed us to solicit funds for our SLU Hospital Auxiliary at their doors? You guessed it, Wal-Mart! Did they boycott that; no way, Baby! So, while I was there soliciting donations I noticed this young female Wal-Mart employee on her cellphone trying to get someone to come and pick her up because she locked her keys in her car; obviously with no luck. So when it was time for me to leave I said Come on, I’ll give you a ride home. While we were driving to her apartment we were talking, and she told me that she (around age 24) had full custody of four children (her sisters, brothers, nephews in some combination). She is raising them as a single woman, while attending classes at the U of Mo in STL on a psychology degree, while volunteering part time at a local hospital and working part time cleaning houses and part time at Wal-Mart. I asked What do you think about how Wal-Mart treats its employees? She said Oh it’s so wonderful working there. They treat us all SO well. And if it weren’t for my benefits there I could never dream of taking care of my kids! So stick that in your pipe and puff on it. Izzy PS She was driving a nicer car than I have; but then so does everyone. “-) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 11:07 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism myth [the writer's a blamer with an evident feminist' bias, but Am. conservative Muslim theory ain't really their fault: 'either get our new WalMarts opened on time in Baghdad or face us blowin' you to (the other) hell (we're financing')] || We wouldn’t be HAVING a problem with Muslims if we hadn’t thrown God out of the government and schools a long time ago! (duh) || Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.
Re: [TruthTalk] Noah Webster
Thomas Merton and Joan Baez?? - O good gracious, you're sinking Gary, and fast. On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 01:33:29 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 17:46:50 -0500 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Really up on social justice huh..? whatever rings true "Sweet brother, if I do not sleep My eyes are flowers on your tomb And if I cannot eat my bread My fasts shall live like willows where you died If in the heat I find no water for my thirst My thirst shall turn to springs for you, poor traveler Come, in your labor find a resting place And in my sorrows lay your head Brother, take my life and bread And buy yourself a better bed Take my breath and take my death Buy yourself a better rest beneath the bells of Gethsemani When all the men of war are killed And flags have fallen into dust Your cross and mine will tell men still He died on each for both of us That we might become the brothers of God And learn to know the Christ of burnt men And the children are ringing the bells of Gethsemani For in the wreckage of your April Christ lies slain He weeps in the ruins of my spring The money of whose tears shall fall Into your weak and friendless hand And buy you back to your own land The silence of whose tears shall fall Like bells upon your alien tomb Hear them and come, they call you home And the children are ringing the bells of Gethsemani Yes, if they had been there They would have taken that crown of thorns from his hair And stayed for a while in that place of despair Ah, but what do I see, my brother is there And he's ringing the bells of Gethsemani" (Music by Joan Baez, Words by Thomas Merton) © 1981 Gabriel Earl Music (ASCAP)
Re: [TruthTalk] Noah Webster
I think it's a "right back atcha" thing - for years I
would go over there and hear much lamenting about
what Americans had bought; do you know an American
Company now owns the all Australian
delicious spread called Vegemite?
On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 23:45:33 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
I've just learned that
Australia is investing workers
retirement funds in US Real Estate
They just bought the
New York Thruway. Does that mean I need a passport, now? From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Judy
TaylorThanks for this
Kevin
Proof of the pudding is always in
the eating.
I've just learned that
Australia is investing workers
retirement funds in US Real Estate also
So Lance and his prophet don't have
a whole lot of support from "down under"
either
On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 09:20:31 -0800 (PST) Kevin
Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
Lance says Canada will not suffer the same fate at the
USA.
Ah
Ah
AH
CHOO!
excuse me
348,000 New York jobs are supported by
Canada-U.S. trade
Total CanadaU.S. merchandise trade: $411 billion
CanadaU.S. trade supported 5.2 million
U.S. jobs
More people traveled between Canada and NY in 2004 than any other
U.S. state
14,500,000 vehicles crossed the Canada-U.S. border
at the four Niagara crossings last year, accounting for 34% of all traffic
that crossed into Ontario
ROTFL
With this many US Jobs gone, could CanaDUH
rebound?
http://www.2ontario.com/welcome/coca_401.asp
Seeing that a FULL 84% of CanaDUHs exports are US
Calculator
please
That leaves 16%, can CanaDUH's economy survive on
16% of its present exports?
Remember that the Total export/imports of
canada represents a FULL 2/3rds
of their GDP!
SIZE does
matter!
Thanks for the add'l example of mindless
parroting.
Don't you just HATE
Ignorance?
I guess it is better than letting it go to
waste.
Lance Muir
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
The 'prophet' (take note,
David) said otherwise in November. Canada will not suffer the same fate at
the USA. Size does matter but,
it's not the only thing that
matters.
- Original Message
-
From:
Judy Taylor
To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent:
March 25, 2006 08:03
Subject:
Re: [TruthTalk] Noah Webster
Don't worry
Lance, if the USA
implodes - Canada
and Europe will go with it - at
present when the
US sneezes the
rest of the world catch a cold. Such envy and jealousy from the
North ... Goodness gracious!
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance
MuirMost on TT will live to
see the implosion of the USA. At
what point will you declare bankruptcy. You don't have the option of
moving out of your old house and into a new
one.
From: ShieldsFamily
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noah_Webster
As a teacher, he had come to dislike
American elementary schools. They could be overcrowded, with up
to seventy children of all ages crammed into one-room
schoolhouses, poorly staffed with untrained teachers, and
poorly equipped with no desks and unsatisfactory textbooks which
came from England. Webster
thought that Americans should learn from American books, so he
began writing a three volume compendium, A Grammatical Institute of the
English Language. The work consisted of a speller
(published in 1783)
Re: [TruthTalk] Noah Webster
On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 17:46:50 -0500 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Really up on social justice huh..? whatever rings true "Sweet brother, if I do not sleep My eyes are flowers on your tomb And if I cannot eat my bread My fasts shall live like willows where you died If in the heat I find no water for my thirst My thirst shall turn to springs for you, poor traveler Come, in your labor find a resting place And in my sorrows lay your head Brother, take my life and bread And buy yourself a better bed Take my breath and take my death Buy yourself a better rest beneath the bells of Gethsemani When all the men of war are killed And flags have fallen into dust Your cross and mine will tell men still He died on each for both of us That we might become the brothers of God And learn to know the Christ of burnt men And the children are ringing the bells of Gethsemani For in the wreckage of your April Christ lies slain He weeps in the ruins of my spring The money of whose tears shall fall Into your weak and friendless hand And buy you back to your own land The silence of whose tears shall fall Like bells upon your alien tomb Hear them and come, they call you home And the children are ringing the bells of Gethsemani Yes, if they had been there They would have taken that crown of thorns from his hair And stayed for a while in that place of despair Ah, but what do I see, my brother is there And he's ringing the bells of Gethsemani" (Music by Joan Baez, Words by Thomas Merton) © 1981 Gabriel Earl Music (ASCAP)
Re: [TruthTalk] Noah Webster
On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 17:46:50 -0500 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Really up on social justice huh..? || whatever rings true "Sweet brother, if I do not sleep My eyes are flowers on your tomb And if I cannot eat my bread My fasts shall live like willows where you died If in the heat I find no water for my thirst My thirst shall turn to springs for you, poor traveler Come, in your labor find a resting place And in my sorrows lay your head Brother, take my life and bread And buy yourself a better bed Take my breath and take my death Buy yourself a better rest beneath the bells of Gethsemani When all the men of war are killed And flags have fallen into dust Your cross and mine will tell men still He died on each for both of us That we might become the brothers of God And learn to know the Christ of burnt men And the children are ringing the bells of Gethsemani For in the wreckage of your April Christ lies slain He weeps in the ruins of my spring The money of whose tears shall fall Into your weak and friendless hand And buy you back to your own land The silence of whose tears shall fall Like bells upon your alien tomb Hear them and come, they call you home And the children are ringing the bells of Gethsemani Yes, if they had been there They would have taken that crown of thorns from his hair And stayed for a while in that place of despair Ah, but what do I see, my brother is there And he's ringing the bells of Gethsemani" (Music by Joan Baez, Words by Thomas Merton) © 1981 Gabriel Earl Music (ASCAP)
Re: [TruthTalk] BIBLES not korans
http://www.hyperhistory.net/apwh/bios/b4macarthurd.htm General MacArthur used American and Australian forces to coordinate an attack which led to the Japanese surrender. The day of the surrender Brigadier General MacArthur became Supreme Commander of the Allied Forces and was promoted to General of the Army, a five-star general. MacArthur occupied Japan to help rebuild its governmental system. A devout Episcopalian, MacArthur said to a visiting group of evangelicals that "Japan is a spiritual vacuum. If you do not fill it with Christianity, it will be filled with Communism. Send me 1,000 missionaries." He asked U.S. missionary societies to send "Bibles, Bibles and more Bibles. http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/30551 It is a shame that incarcerated Jihadists are not given Bibles, because one Islamist, Tawfik Hamid, said that what made him eventually reject extremist beliefs was his having read Matthew 5:7-9: Before leaving college, he carried two boxes of books -- all espousing jihad -- into his yard. He poured gasoline over the pile and set it on fire. A healed mind, he felt, could rise only from the ashes of hate. While he watched the blaze, he remembered reading the Bible on his own in high school, and the words that had so moved him. "Blessed are the merciful, for they will be shown mercy. "Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God." "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God." Nutt, Amy Ellis. "What Makes a Terrorist?" newhousenews.com, 23 Dec 2005, http://www.newhousenews.com/archive/nutt122305.html Other similar ex-terrorists include Walid Shoebat, Zak Anani and Ibrahim Abadallah. Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Is this what we are fighting for?I talked to a returning GI, who is a Christian.He told me he was praying for fellowship with another Christian. Orders or whatever keep the Christians from displaying such offensivematerials as crosses. In addition it is against policy to talk tolocals about such subjects as Christianity.He said the Chaplains office only has Korans, could this be true?http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/535Man has to Sue to get a Bible! While Koran is easily obtained.US Gov't Fights in court to KEEP BIBLE OUT!US Gov't SOP for "handling the Koran in manner signaling respect andreverence"http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,158704,00.htmlLOL - US military attempts to preserve the tender sensibilities ofterrorists?Is this a separation of Church State issue?Why NO Respect/Reverence fo our Bible?http://www.thedailystar.net/magazine/2005/12/04/international.htmhttp://www.boston.com/news/world/articles/2003/11/07/limits_put_on_new_muslim_chaplain/--- ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:> >From WorldNetDaily.com:> > Rome, 22 March (AKI) - Abdul Rahman, the man condemned to death for> having > abandoned Islam, is just one of many Afghanis who decide to convert > to > Christianity, but most are forced to do so secretly, argues Arab > Christian > author Camille Eid. In an interview with Adnkronos International > (AKI) Eid, > author of "The Christians who come from Islam", said during a recent > trip to > Afghanistan he met many similar cases. "They are Christians who have > sprung > out of nowhere and it's unclear how they have decided by themselves > to convert" he added. The US, Italy, Germany and Canada have all expressed concern over the fate of Rahman who converted to Christianity 16 years ago. > > "I also spoke to a priest who had passed through Kabul and he said he> was> amazed that women sitting on the ground at the local market saw he> was a> foreigner and a Christian, by the cross he was wearing, and attracted> his> attention to them by making a sign of the cross with their fingers.> He was> convinced that they were trying to send him a coded message" said> Eid, a> Lebanese Maronite who lives in Italy.> > According to the author, Abdul Rahman is not the first Afghan citizen> to> have been sentenced to death for apostasy since the fall of the> Taliban> regime. > > "The Islamic Taliban militias who still control entire areas of the> country> issued a statement in June 2004 in which they referred to a death> sentence> handed down to an Afghan converted to Christianity, Moulawi Asad> Allah."> > > > __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.orgIf you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make
Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:So tell us about it. Results?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Results that combine both commands, "preach the gospel" and "make disciples/" jd -- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Results? #3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Three kinds of evangelism present on this list. 1.. Drive-bye or protest evangelismKevin , Dean, David (often but not always) 2. Tower of power evangelism -- where the saint does her best work at home and not in the real world. 3. Mentor evangelism (Lance , Bill and others) We don't agree, Judy, because the paradigm for evangelism is not the same. you in your home and me in my world, where I live, where people see me everyday. -- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> If there are christian teachers in the system (and there are) who must teach theories of evolution that they do not believe. What's wrong with teaching the other side also even if there are unbelievers teaching it There are also unbelievers in different churches these days teaching all kinds of things. The student has the responsibility to search it out for themselves. On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 12:32:49 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:What's scary is that you think the solution is to have an antagonistic educator "teach" what he does not believe -- you thinking, of course, that he will do so without commentary that thoroughly negates the purpose of this compromise. In the real world, Linda, you simply cannot construct a model in which this will work to our (the Christian church -- whose address do we use , again ??) favor. In fact, to get all the warring factions to agree, the stateent on creationism would be so watered down as to be really meaningless. From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Scary to the max. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:14 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism Of course. But that is not really the issue. -- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> So IYO it is better to have secular folk teaching untruth than truth. I see . izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:46 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism It's not what is taught (for me and in this case) so much as it is WHO TEACHES THEM. You want the secular world to be responsible -- I don't. jd -- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > So, here we are, back to the fact that IF you believed something to be true > you would NOT want children to be taught about it. Can you see why some of > us aren't following your logic? iz > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir > Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:28 AM > To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism > > IZ:No, I would not. > > > - Original Message - > From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] .C OM>> To: > Sent: March 25, 2006 06:14 > ; Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism > > > & gt; Dodging the question, as usual. iz > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir > > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:54 PM > > To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org > > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism > > > > It ain't true. It's a hyperbolic hypothetical, Iz. > > > > . > > - Original Message - > > From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > To: > > Sent: March 24, 2006 17:16 > > Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism > > > &g t; > >> That wasn't the question; I asked whether IF you believe it were true, > >> you > >> would want it taught in schools. You said NO. Pathetic, eh? iz > >> > >> -Original Message- > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir > >> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:49 PM > >> To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org > >> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationi
RE: [TruthTalk] Noah Webster
I've just learned that Australia is investing workers retirement funds in US Real Estate They just bought the New York Thruway. Does that mean I need a passport, now? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy TaylorSent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 11:49 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Noah Webster Thanks for this KevinProof of the pudding is always in the eating.I've just learned that Australia is investing workers retirement funds in US Real Estate alsoSo Lance and his prophet don't have a whole lot of support from "down under" either On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 09:20:31 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Lance says Canada will not suffer the same fate at the USA. Ah Ah AH CHOO! excuse me 348,000 New York jobs are supported by Canada-U.S. trade Total CanadaU.S. merchandise trade: $411 billion CanadaU.S. trade supported 5.2 million U.S. jobs More people traveled between Canada and NY in 2004 than any other U.S. state 14,500,000 vehicles crossed the Canada-U.S. border at the four Niagara crossings last year, accounting for 34% of all traffic that crossed into Ontario ROTFLWith this many US Jobs gone, could CanaDUH rebound? http://www.2ontario.com/welcome/coca_401.aspSeeing that a FULL 84% of CanaDUHs exports are US Calculator pleaseThat leaves 16%, can CanaDUH's economy survive on 16% of its present exports?Remember that the Total export/imports of canada represents a FULL 2/3rds of their GDP!SIZE does matter! Thanks for the add'l example of mindless parroting.Don't you just HATE Ignorance?I guess it is better than letting it go to waste.Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The 'prophet' (take note, David) said otherwise in November. Canada will not suffer the same fate at the USA. Size does matter but, it's not the only thing that matters. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 25, 2006 08:03Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Noah Webster Don't worry Lance, if the USA implodes - Canada and Europe will go with it - at present when theUS sneezes the rest of the world catch a cold. Such envy and jealousy from the North ... Goodness gracious! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirMost on TT will live to see the implosion of the USA. At what point will you declare bankruptcy. You don't have the option of moving out of your old house and into a new one.From: ShieldsFamily http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noah_Webster As a teacher, he had come to dislike American elementary schools. They could be overcrowded, with up to seventy children of all ages crammed into one-room schoolhouses, poorly staffed with untrained teachers, and poorly equipped with no desks and unsatisfactory textbooks which came from England. Webster thought that Americans should learn from American books, so he began writing a three volume compendium, A Grammatical Institute of the English Language. The work consisted of a speller (published in 1783), a grammar (published in 1784), and a reader (published in 1785). His goal was to provide a uniquely American, Christ-centered approach to training children.The speller was originally entitled The First Part of the Grammatical Institute of the English Language. The title was changed in 1786 to The American Spelling Book, and again in 1829 to The Elementary Spelling Book. Most people called it the "Blue-Backed Speller" because of its blue cover, and for the next one hundred years, Webster's book taught children how to read, spell, and pronounce words. It was the most popular American book of its time; by 1861, it was selling a million copies per year, and its royalty of less than one cent per copy was enough to sustain Webster in his other endeavors. Even Ben Franklin used Webster's book to teach his granddaughter how to read. Noah was generally known to be Christian. It is reported that Noah Websters 1828 American Dictionary contains the greatest number of Biblical definitions given in any reference volume. Webster considered "education useless without the Bible.""In my view, the Christian religion is the most important and one of the first things in which all children, under a free government ought to be instructed...No truth is more evident to my mind than that the Christian religion must be the basis of any government intended to secure the rights and privileges of a free people. (Preface to the 1828 edition of Webster's American Dictionary of the English Language ) Besides his dictionary, Webster also released his own translation of the Bible in 1
RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
PTL your Grandkids are recieving a education instead of indoctrination!ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Yeah; well this church member is going to be very vocal about the discrimination against Christianity, Bible and Truth in the government schools!!! iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganSent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 11:06 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 0[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's an idea -- maybe the church could actually do its job !! You know, instead of paying the local school district to do it. jd -- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Solution: teach false theories. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:33 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism What's scary is that you think the solution is to have an antagonistic educator "teach" what he does not believe -- you thinking, of course, that he will do so without commentary that thoroughly negates the purpose of this compromise. In the real world, Linda, you simply cannot construct a model in which this will work to our (the Christian church -- whose address do we use , again ??) favor. In fact, to get all the warring factions to agree, the stateent on creationism would be so watered down as to be really meaningless. -- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Scary to the max. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:14 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism Of course. But that is not really the issue. -- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> So IYO it is better to have secular folk teaching untruth than truth. I see . izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:46 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism It's not what is taught (for me and in this case) so much as it is WHO TEACHES THEM. You want the secular world to be responsible -- I don't. jd -- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > So, here we are, back to the fact that IF you believed something to be true > you would NOT want children to be taught about it. Can you see why some of > us aren't following your logic? iz > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir > Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:28 AM > To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism > > IZ:No, I would not. > > > - Original Message - > From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] OM>> To: > Sent: March 25, 2006 06:14 > ; Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism > > > & gt; Dodging the question, as usual. iz > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir > > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:54 PM > > To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org > > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism > > > > It ain't true. It's a hyperbolic hypothetical, Iz. > > > > . > > - Original Message - > > From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > To: > > Sent: March 24, 2006 17:16 > > Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism > > > > > >> That wasn't the question; I asked whether IF you believe it were true, > >> you > >> would want it taught in schools. You said NO. Pathetic, eh? iz > >> > >> -Original Message- > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir > >> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:49 PM > >> To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org > >> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism > >> > >> David you are like so right, man! familiaritycontempt...were those > >> the > >> words? Probably got it comin'. > >> > >> Actua lly Lady Iz, I prefer that un
Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
Go ye into all the world and Mentor the Gospel! Who have you mentored? Do you have any men?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:tower power -- nothing much to report in terms of results. Protest-evangelism -- ditto. Mentor evangeliism -- it is the method of historical record --- how he church grew from 12 to several million within its first 100 years of life. jd -- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> So tell us about it. Results?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Results that combine both commands, "preach the gospel" and "make disciples/" jd -- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Results? #3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Three kinds of evangelism present on this list. 1.. Drive-bye or protest evangelismKevin , Dean, David (often but not always) 2. Tower of power evangelism -- where the saint does her best work at home and not in the real world. 3. Mentor evangelism (Lance , Bill and others) We don't agree, Judy, because the paradigm for evangelism is not the same. you in your home and me in my world, where I live, where people see me everyday. -- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> If there are christian teachers in the system (and there are) who must teach theories of evolution that they do not believe. What's wrong with teaching the other side also even if there are unbelievers teaching it There are also unbelievers in different churches these days teaching all kinds of things. The student has the responsibility to search it out for themselves. On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 12:32:49 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:What's scary is that you think the solution is to have an antagonistic educator "teach" what he does not believe -- you thinking, of course, that he will do so without commentary that thoroughly negates the purpose of this compromise. In the real world, Linda, you simply cannot construct a model in which this will work to our (the Christian church -- whose address do we use , again ??) favor. In fact, to get all the warring factions to agree, the stateent on creationism would be so watered down as to be really meaningless. From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Scary to the max. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:14 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism Of course. But that is not really the issue. -- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> So IYO it is better to have secular folk teaching untruth than truth. I see . izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:46 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism It's not what is taught (for me and in this case) so much as it is WHO TEACHES THEM. You want the secular world to be responsible -- I don't. jd -- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > So, here we are, back to the fact that IF you believed something to be true > you would NOT want children to be taught about it. Can you see why some of > us aren't following your logic? iz > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir > Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:28 AM > To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism > > IZ:No, I would not. > > > - Original Message - > From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] .C OM>> To: > Sent: March 25, 2006 06:14 > ; Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism > > > & gt; Dodging the question, as usual. iz > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir > > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:54 PM > > To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org > > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism > > > > It ain't true. It's a hyperbolic hypothetical, Iz. > > > > . > > - Original Message - > > From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > To: > > Sent: March 24, 2006 17:16 > > Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism > > > & amp;g t; > >> That wasn't the question; I asked whether IF
RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
Yeah; well this church member is going to be very vocal about the discrimination against Christianity, Bible and Truth in the government schools!!! iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Deegan Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 11:06 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's an idea -- maybe the church could actually do its job !! You know, instead of paying the local school district to do it. jd -- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Solution: teach false theories. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:33 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism What's scary is that you think the solution is to have an antagonistic educator "teach" what he does not believe -- you thinking, of course, that he will do so without commentary that thoroughly negates the purpose of this compromise. In the real world, Linda, you simply cannot construct a model in which this will work to our (the Christian church -- whose address do we use , again ??) favor. In fact, to get all the warring factions to agree, the stateent on creationism would be so watered down as to be really meaningless. -- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Scary to the max. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:14 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism Of course. But that is not really the issue. -- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> So IYO it is better to have “secular” folk teaching untruth than truth. I see…. izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:46 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism It's not what is taught (for me and in this case) so much as it is WHO TEACHES THEM. You want the secular world to be responsible -- I don't. jd -- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > So, here we are, back to the fact that IF you believed something to be true > you would NOT want children to be taught about it. Can you see why some of > us aren't following your logic? iz > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir > Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:28 AM > To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism > > IZ:No, I would not. > > > - Original Message - > From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] OM>> To: > Sent: March 25, 2006 06:14 > ; Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism > > > & gt; Dodging the question, as usual. iz > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir > > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:54 PM > > To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org > > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism > > > > It ain't true. It's a hyperbolic hypothetical, Iz. > > > > . > > - Original Message - > > From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > To: > > Sent: March 24, 2006 17:16 > > Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism > > > > > >> That wasn't the question; I asked whether IF you believe it were true, > >> you > >> would want it taught in schools. You said NO. Pathetic, eh? iz > >> > >> -Original Message- > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir > >> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:49 PM > >> To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org > >> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism > >> > >> David you are like so right, man! familiaritycontempt...were those > >> the > >> words? Probably got it comin'. > >> > >> Actua lly Lady Iz, I prefer
RE: [TruthTalk] Noah Webster
Oh, contraire! I think Lance’s thinking gets a LOT of support from “down under”. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 11:49 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Noah Webster Thanks for this Kevin Proof of the pudding is always in the eating. I've just learned that Australia is investing workers retirement funds in US Real Estate also So Lance and his prophet don't have a whole lot of support from "down under" either On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 09:20:31 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Lance says Canada will not suffer the same fate at the USA. Ah Ah AH CHOO! excuse me 348,000 New York jobs are supported by Canada-U.S. trade Total Canada–U.S. merchandise trade: $411 billion Canada–U.S. trade supported 5.2 million U.S. jobs More people traveled between Canada and NY in 2004 than any other U.S. state 14,500,000 vehicles crossed the Canada-U.S. border at the four Niagara crossings last year, accounting for 34% of all traffic that crossed into Ontario ROTFL With this many US Jobs gone, could CanaDUH rebound? http://www.2ontario.com/welcome/coca_401.asp Seeing that a FULL 84% of CanaDUHs exports are US Calculator please That leaves 16%, can CanaDUH's economy survive on 16% of its present exports? Remember that the Total export/imports of canada represents a FULL 2/3rds of their GDP! SIZE does matter! Thanks for the add'l example of mindless parroting. Don't you just HATE Ignorance? I guess it is better than letting it go to waste. Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The 'prophet' (take note, David) said otherwise in November. Canada will not suffer the same fate at the USA. Size does matter but, it's not the only thing that matters. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 25, 2006 08:03 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Noah Webster Don't worry Lance, if the USA implodes - Canada and Europe will go with it - at present when the US sneezes the rest of the world catch a cold. Such envy and jealousy from the North ... Goodness gracious! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Most on TT will live to see the implosion of the USA. At what point will you declare bankruptcy. You don't have the option of moving out of your old house and into a new one. From: ShieldsFamily http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noah_Webster As a teacher, he had come to dislike American elementary schools. They could be overcrowded, with up to seventy children of all ages crammed into one-room schoolhouses, poorly staffed with untrained teachers, and poorly equipped with no desks and unsatisfactory textbooks which came from England. Webster thought that Americans should learn from American books, so he began writing a three volume compendium, A Grammatical Institute of the English Language. The work consisted of a speller (published in 1783), a grammar (published in 1784), and a reader (published in 1785). His goal was to provide a uniquely American, Christ-centered approach to training children. The speller was originally entitled The First Part of the Grammatical Institute of the English Language. The title was changed in 1786 to The American Spelling Book, and again in 1829 to The Elementary Spelling Book. Most people called it the "Blue-Backed Speller" because of its blue cover, and for the next one hundred years, Webster's book taught children how to read, spell, and pronounce words. It was the most popular American book of its time; by 1861, it was selling a million copies per year, and its royalty of less than one cent per copy was enough to sustain Webster in his other endeavors. Even Ben Franklin used Webster's book to teach his granddaughter how to read. Noah was generally known to be Christian. It is reported that Noah Webster’s 1828 American Dictionary contains the greatest number of Biblical definitions given in any reference volume. Webster considered "education useless without the Bible." "In my view, the Christian religion is the most important and one of the first things in which all children, under a free government ought to be instructed...No truth is more evident to my mind than that the Christian religion must be the basis of any government intended to secure the rights and privileges of a free people.” (Preface to the 1828 edition of Webster's American Dictionary of the English Language ) Besides h
RE: [TruthTalk] Noah Webster
LOL! So true as to be hilarious. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 3:04 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Noah Webster What was dualistic about that comment Gary Olson? It is world affairs that's all... You are truly weird, strange, weird ... Why do you truncate what ppl write and insert your own comments - ultimately making it appear the person said something they did not. Oh I understand - you do the same with God's Words. O' the shame of it. On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 13:33:31 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: more evidence of jt's implicit dualism On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 12:49:07 -0500 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [while eschatological] Proof of the pudding is always in the eating...[is'nt] Australia..investing workers retirement funds in [biblically questionable] Real Estate also[?]
RE: [TruthTalk] four of the five smithsons
Is that unusual, jd? iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:29 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] four of the five smithsons sent earlier -- [TruthTalk] re: pictures They took my picture right after I found out that I had received yet another post from Judy Taylor. Note the blank look on my roughedly handsome face. jd -- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Nice looking kids, they must take after their Mom :) Where are you JD? On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 00:03:13 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
Those who really know it are thankful enough to SERVE Him joyfully. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 11:37 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism ..knew God's grace We wouldn’t be HAVING a problem with Muslims if we..
RE: [TruthTalk] re: pictures
Wow. I sure hope that was jd and not “Julie”. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:40 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: [TruthTalk] re: pictures -- Original message -- From: Julie Helm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Hi, you're sitting next to me right now! > > Have fun! > > Love, Julie > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: [TruthTalk] Noah Webster
Boyish baloney babble blubber. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 3:56 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Noah Webster you're truly up to speed with worldliness--eh? interestingly, e.g., consistent with essential dualism, typical Word-babble like the writer's, below/elsewhere, consistently banishes JC's concerns from the realm of (her) natural loyalty--his politics is conveniently off limits (from her's) while the biblical Spirit is forbidden to touch the working (of her) state-based mind -- ftr, here's the quote in question, juxtapose it with my question, below: [jt:] "I've just learned that Australia is investing workers retirement funds in US Real Estate also So Lance and his prophet don't have a whole lot of support from "down under" either" On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 16:04:08 -0500 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: It is world affairs that's all... . On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 13:33:31 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: more evidence of jt's implicit dualism On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 12:49:07 -0500 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [while eschatological] Proof of the pudding is always in the eating...[is'nt] Australia..investing workers retirement funds in [biblically questionable] Real Estate also[?]
RE: [TruthTalk] [TruthTalkActually - my Kathy and grandbaby Delaney
Lovely family, jd! (Do they take after their mother?) :-) iz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:15 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] [TruthTalkActually - my Kathy and grandbaby Delaney -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -- Original message -- > From: Julie Helm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > hi dad > > > > > > __ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism paradigms
In the past two days, some 28 posts similar to this one in terms of content. Number 29 is only a few minutes away. jd -- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> O that is right I remember, now. You said two door & Blue[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I made the mistake of answering this line of questioning in detail, before. No point in doing it again. jd -- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Tell us about some of your AMAZING sucess stories! Have you discipled any other Bishops? Who are they? I am so excited waiting for the exciting stories! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I certainly think you qualify as the house pro on zero. -- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I knew a guy that got so bothered dealing with cult members, in frustration he said "let them go to hell" He meant it and so many today might as well, since their Evagelistic efforts amount to ZER0 The new & increasingly popular program of evangelism is the HOTtest thing. Based on the Japanese Model of MSmanagement it is called DOing N0thing! That is JD at the controls. 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 still = 0! Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: What's that Kevin "delusory evangelism" or one of the three below?? On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 07:25:50 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:> For enquiring minds:> JD chose plan B> > ZER0 Evangelism> > --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:> > > > > > > We have at leat three general patterns represented here on TT: > > 1. Drive-by or protest evangelism. > > 2. Ivory tower evangelism.> > 3. Mentor evangelism. > > I have made my choice.> > Enough said. > > jd> > > __> Do You Yahoo!?> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > --> "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you > may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) > http://www.InnGlory.org> > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you > have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.> > Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC for low, low rates. Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates.
Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
tower power -- nothing much to report in terms of results. Protest-evangelism -- ditto. Mentor evangeliism -- it is the method of historical record --- how he church grew from 12 to several million within its first 100 years of life. jd -- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> So tell us about it. Results?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Results that combine both commands, "preach the gospel" and "make disciples/" jd -- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Results? #3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Three kinds of evangelism present on this list. 1.. Drive-bye or protest evangelismKevin , Dean, David (often but not always) 2. Tower of power evangelism -- where the saint does her best work at home and not in the real world. 3. Mentor evangelism (Lance , Bill and others) We don't agree, Judy, because the paradigm for evangelism is not the same. you in your home and me in my world, where I live, where people see me everyday. -- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> If there are christian teachers in the system (and there are) who must teach theories of evolution that they do not believe. What's wrong with teaching the other side also even if there are unbelievers teaching it There are also unbelievers in different churches these days teaching all kinds of things. The student has the responsibility to search it out for themselves. On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 12:32:49 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What's scary is that you think the solution is to have an antagonistic educator "teach" what he does not believe -- you thinking, of course, that he will do so without commentary that thoroughly negates the purpose of this compromise. In the real world, Linda, you simply cannot construct a model in which this will work to our (the Christian church -- whose address do we use , again ??) favor. In fact, to get all the warring factions to agree, the stateent on creationism would be so watered down as to be really meaningless. From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Scary to the max. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:14 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism Of course. But that is not really the issue. -- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> So IYO it is better to have secular folk teaching untruth than truth. I see . izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:46 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism It's not what is taught (for me and in this case) so much as it is WHO TEACHES THEM. You want the secular world to be responsible -- I don't. jd -- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > So, here we are, back to the fact that IF you believed something to be true > you would NOT want children to be taught about it. Can you see why some of > us aren't following your logic? iz > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir > Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:28 AM > To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism > > IZ:No, I would not. > > > - Original Message - > From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] OM .C>> To: > Sent: March 25, 2006 06:14 > ; Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism > > > & gt; Dodging the question, as usual. iz > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir > > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:54 PM > > To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org > > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism > > > > It ain't true. It's a hyperbolic hypothetical, Iz. > > > > . > > - Original Message - > > From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > To: > > Sent: March 24, 2006 17:16 > > Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism > > > & amp;g t; > >> That wasn't the question; I asked whether IF you believe it were true, > >> you > >> would want it taught in schools. You said NO. Pathetic, eh? iz > >> > >> -Original Message- > >> From: [EMAIL PR
Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism paradigms
O that is right I remember, now. You said two door & Blue[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I made the mistake of answering this line of questioning in detail, before. No point in doing it again. jd -- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Tell us about some of your AMAZING sucess stories! Have you discipled any other Bishops? Who are they? I am so excited waiting for the exciting stories! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Well, I certainly think you qualify as the house pro on zero. -- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I knew a guy that got so bothered dealing with cult members, in frustration he said "let them go to hell" He meant it and so many today might as well, since their Evagelistic efforts amount to ZER0 The new & increasingly popular program of evangelism is the HOTtest thing. Based on the Japanese Model of MSmanagement it is called DOing N0thing! That is JD at the controls.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 still = 0! Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: What's that Kevin "delusory evangelism" or one of the three below?? On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 07:25:50 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:> For enquiring minds:> JD chose plan B> > ZER0 Evangelism> > --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:> > > > > > > We have at leat three general patterns represented here on TT: > > 1. Drive-by or protest evangelism. > > 2. Ivory tower evangelism.> > 3. Mentor evangelism. > > I have made my choice.> > Enough said. > > jd> > > __> Do You Yahoo!?> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > --> "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you > may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) > http://www.InnGlory.org> > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you > have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.> > Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC for low, low rates. Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates.
Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
So tell us about it. Results?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Results that combine both commands, "preach the gospel" and "make disciples/" jd -- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Results? #3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Three kinds of evangelism present on this list. 1.. Drive-bye or protest evangelismKevin , Dean, David (often but not always) 2. Tower of power evangelism -- where the saint does her best work at home and not in the real world. 3. Mentor evangelism (Lance , Bill and others) We don't agree, Judy, because the paradigm for evangelism is not the same. you in your home and me in my world, where I live, where people see me everyday. -- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> If there are christian teachers in the system (and there are) who must teach theories of evolution that they do not believe. What's wrong with teaching the other side also even if there are unbelievers teaching it There are also unbelievers in different churches these days teaching all kinds of things. The student has the responsibility to search it out for themselves. On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 12:32:49 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:What's scary is that you think the solution is to have an antagonistic educator "teach" what he does not believe -- you thinking, of course, that he will do so without commentary that thoroughly negates the purpose of this compromise. In the real world, Linda, you simply cannot construct a model in which this will work to our (the Christian church -- whose address do we use , again ??) favor. In fact, to get all the warring factions to agree, the stateent on creationism would be so watered down as to be really meaningless. From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Scary to the max. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:14 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism Of course. But that is not really the issue. -- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> So IYO it is better to have secular folk teaching untruth than truth. I see . izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:46 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism It's not what is taught (for me and in this case) so much as it is WHO TEACHES THEM. You want the secular world to be responsible -- I don't. jd -- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > So, here we are, back to the fact that IF you believed something to be true > you would NOT want children to be taught about it. Can you see why some of > us aren't following your logic? iz > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir > Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:28 AM > To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism > > IZ:No, I would not. > > > - Original Message - > From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] .C OM>> To: > Sent: March 25, 2006 06:14 > ; Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism > > > & gt; Dodging the question, as usual. iz > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir > > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:54 PM > > To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org > > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism > > > > It ain't true. It's a hyperbolic hypothetical, Iz. > > > > . > > - Original Message - > > From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > To: > > Sent: March 24, 2006 17:16 > > Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism > > > &g t; > >> That wasn't the question; I asked whether IF you believe it were true, > >> you > >> would want it taught in schools. You said NO. Pathetic, eh? iz > >> > >> -Original Message- > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir > >> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:49 PM > >> To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org > >> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism > >> > >> David you are lik
RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
Izzy PS She was driving a nicer car than I have; but then so does everyone. -) ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Oh, how the Libs LOVE demeaning Wal-Mart! How very predictable you would bring it up. And what is your PROBLEM with Wal-Mart? Oh, they dont pay enough or give enough benefits to those POOR people who work there; so SAD! My book club (SLU Womens Club) read some libs expose on Wal-Mart and they were all up in arms about how they refuse to shop there. A few months later which merchant allowed us to solicit funds for our SLU Hospital Auxiliary at their doors? You guessed it, Wal-Mart! Did they boycott that; no way, Baby! So, while I was there soliciting donations I noticed this young female Wal-Mart employee on her cellphone trying to get someone to come and pick her up because she locked her keys in her car; obviously with no luck. So when it was time for me to leave I said Come on, Ill give you a ride home. While we were driving to her apartment we were talking, and she told me that she (around age 24) had full custody of four children (her sisters, brothers, nephews in some combination). She is raising them as a single woman, while attending classes at the U of Mo in STL on a psychology degree, while volunteering part time at a local hospital and working part time cleaning houses and part time at Wal-Mart. I asked What do you think about how Wal-Mart treats its employees? She said Oh its so wonderful working there. They treat us all SO well. And if it werent for my benefits there I could never dream of taking care of my kids! So stick that in your pipe and puff on it. Izzy PS She was driving a nicer car than I have; but then so does everyone. -) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 11:07 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism myth [the writer's a blamer with an evident feminist' bias, but Am. conservative Muslim theory ain't really their fault: 'either get our new WalMarts opened on time in Baghdad or face us blowin' you to (the other) hell (we're financing')] || We wouldnt be HAVING a problem with Muslims if we hadnt thrown God out of the government and schools a long time ago! (duh) || Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.
RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
Oh, how the Libs LOVE demeaning Wal-Mart! How very predictable you would bring it up. And what is your PROBLEM with Wal-Mart? Oh, they don’t pay enough or give enough benefits to those POOR people who work there; so SAD! My book club (SLU Women’s Club) read some lib’s expose on Wal-Mart and they were all up in arms about how they refuse to shop there. A few months later which merchant allowed us to solicit funds for our SLU Hospital Auxiliary at their doors? You guessed it, Wal-Mart! Did they boycott that; no way, Baby! So, while I was there soliciting donations I noticed this young female Wal-Mart employee on her cellphone trying to get someone to come and pick her up because she locked her keys in her car; obviously with no luck. So when it was time for me to leave I said Come on, I’ll give you a ride home. While we were driving to her apartment we were talking, and she told me that she (around age 24) had full custody of four children (her sisters, brothers, nephews in some combination). She is raising them as a single woman, while attending classes at the U of Mo in STL on a psychology degree, while volunteering part time at a local hospital and working part time cleaning houses and part time at Wal-Mart. I asked What do you think about how Wal-Mart treats its employees? She said Oh it’s so wonderful working there. They treat us all SO well. And if it weren’t for my benefits there I could never dream of taking care of my kids! So stick that in your pipe and puff on it. Izzy PS She was driving a nicer car than I have; but then so does everyone. “-) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 11:07 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism myth [the writer's a blamer with an evident feminist' bias, but Am. conservative Muslim theory ain't really their fault: 'either get our new WalMarts opened on time in Baghdad or face us blowin' you to (the other) hell (we're financing')] || We wouldn’t be HAVING a problem with Muslims if we hadn’t thrown God out of the government and schools a long time ago! (duh) ||
Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
Judy -- I do know what you believe. Let me make something clear since our time together is quickly coming to an end. "Carnal" applies to you, IMO, because of what I see as a reliance on your own brand of intellectualism. As a result, you own the most unusual collection of theological opinions I have ever seen. On the good side, you are one of the most imaginative theologians I know something I actually respect. It is what I see in Barth and the others. what is most difficult is your attitude during a discussion. You simply do not know how to disagree without the personal assault. On other forums, I am not nearly as aggressive as I am here -- but there simply is no other way to be when in the presence of you, Linda, Kev and even David (at times). I know that you will not agree with any of my view expressed above -- but most of what I have said is, IMO, a good report of you. Finally, if your posts do not tell us what you believe, your purpose for writing is suspect. Since I can read, I do know what you believe. jd -- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I know enough to recognize the real when I see it and so do my BSF buddies You JD, don't know what I believe, nor can you evaluate my BSF buddies Quit being so presumptuous, it is not a godly trait On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 00:26:45 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Refer to Matt 28 19ff and Mark 16:15 ff -- and stop prestending that you alone understand scripture. Your BSF buddies do not think much of your theology, that is for sure. jd From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "preach the gospel" and "make disciples/" Aberrent theologies make little cookie cutter disciples just like Lance and Bill Only Jesus' Words make disciples that look like Him On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 23:46:52 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Results that combine both commands, "preach the gospel" and "make disciples/" jd -- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Results? #3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Three kinds of evangelism present on this list. 1.. Drive-bye or protest evangelismKevin , Dean, David (often but not always) 2. Tower of power evangelism -- where the saint does her best work at home and not in the real world. 3. Mentor evangelism (Lance , Bill and others) We don't agree, Judy, because the paradigm for evangelism is not the same. you in your home and me in my world, where I live, where people see me everyday. -- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> If there are christian teachers in the system (and there are) who must teach theories of evolution that they do not believe. What's wrong with teaching the other side also even if there are unbelievers teaching it There are also unbelievers in different churches these days teaching all kinds of things. The student has the responsibility to search it out for themselves. On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 12:32:49 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What's scary is that you think the solution is to have an antagonistic educator "teach" what he does not believe -- you thinking, of course, that he will do so without commentary that thoroughly negates the purpose of this compromise. In the real world, Linda, you simply cannot construct a model in which this will work to our (the Christian church -- whose address do we use , again ??) favor. In fact, to get all the warring factions to agree, the stateent on creationism would be so watered down as to be really meaningless. From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Scary to the max. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:14 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism Of course. But that is not really the issue. -- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> So IYO it is better to have secular folk teaching untruth than truth. I see . izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:46 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism It's not what is taught (for me and in this case) so much as it is WHO TEACHES THEM. You want the secular world to be responsible -- I don't. jd -- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > So, here we are, back to the fact that IF you believed something to be true > you would NOT want children to be taught about it. Can
Re: [TruthTalk] correction - wife Kathy and grandbaby delaney
Left to right -- Chad - the Lawyer; Julie - Miss everything in HighSchool and worship leader at her church; Russ - worship leader , business owner -- Nancy, the youngest, worship leader and new Mom for the second time. James, the doctor son is not pictured. I raised Russ and James after the divorce. We are all best of friends. I am most fortunate. jd -- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Definitely cute JD But where are you in all this and which girl in the group is Julie? On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 00:05:06 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [TruthTalk] correction - wife Kathy and grandbaby delaney
Definitely cute JD But where are you in all this and which girl in the group is Julie? On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 00:05:06 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [TruthTalk] four of the five smithsons
sent earlier -- [TruthTalk] re: pictures They took my picture right after I found out that I had received yet another post from Judy Taylor. Note the blank look on my roughedly handsome face. jd -- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Nice looking kids, they must take after their Mom :) Where are you JD? On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 00:03:13 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
Refer to Matt 28 19ff and Mark 16:15 ff -- and stop prestending that you alone understand scripture. Your BSF buddies do not think much of your theology, that is for sure. jd -- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "preach the gospel" and "make disciples/" Aberrent theologies make little cookie cutter disciples just like Lance and Bill Only Jesus' Words make disciples that look like Him On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 23:46:52 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Results that combine both commands, "preach the gospel" and "make disciples/" jd -- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Results? #3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Three kinds of evangelism present on this list. 1.. Drive-bye or protest evangelismKevin , Dean, David (often but not always) 2. Tower of power evangelism -- where the saint does her best work at home and not in the real world. 3. Mentor evangelism (Lance , Bill and others) We don't agree, Judy, because the paradigm for evangelism is not the same. you in your home and me in my world, where I live, where people see me everyday. -- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> If there are christian teachers in the system (and there are) who must teach theories of evolution that they do not believe. What's wrong with teaching the other side also even if there are unbelievers teaching it There are also unbelievers in different churches these days teaching all kinds of things. The student has the responsibility to search it out for themselves. On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 12:32:49 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What's scary is that you think the solution is to have an antagonistic educator "teach" what he does not believe -- you thinking, of course, that he will do so without commentary that thoroughly negates the purpose of this compromise. In the real world, Linda, you simply cannot construct a model in which this will work to our (the Christian church -- whose address do we use , again ??) favor. In fact, to get all the warring factions to agree, the stateent on creationism would be so watered down as to be really meaningless. From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Scary to the max. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:14 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism Of course. But that is not really the issue. -- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> So IYO it is better to have secular folk teaching untruth than truth. I see . izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:46 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism It's not what is taught (for me and in this case) so much as it is WHO TEACHES THEM. You want the secular world to be responsible -- I don't. jd -- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > So, here we are, back to the fact that IF you believed something to be true > you would NOT want children to be taught about it. Can you see why some of > us aren't following your logic? iz > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir > Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:28 AM > To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism > > IZ:No, I would not. > > > - Original Message - > From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] .C OM>> To: > Sent: March 25, 2006 06:14 > ; Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism > > > & gt; Dodging the question, as usual. iz > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir > > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:54 PM > > To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org > > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism > > > > It ain't true. It's a hyperbolic hypothetical, Iz. > > > > . > > - Original Message - > > From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > To: > > Sent: March 24, 2006 17:16 > > Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism > > > & amp;g t; > >> That wasn't the question; I asked whether IF you believe it were true, > >> you > >> would
Re: [TruthTalk] four of the five smithsons
Nice looking kids, they must take after their Mom :) Where are you JD? On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 00:03:13 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism paradigms
I made the mistake of answering this line of questioning in detail, before. No point in doing it again. jd -- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Tell us about some of your AMAZING sucess stories! Have you discipled any other Bishops? Who are they? I am so excited waiting for the exciting stories! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I certainly think you qualify as the house pro on zero. -- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I knew a guy that got so bothered dealing with cult members, in frustration he said "let them go to hell" He meant it and so many today might as well, since their Evagelistic efforts amount to ZER0 The new & increasingly popular program of evangelism is the HOTtest thing. Based on the Japanese Model of MSmanagement it is called DOing N0thing! That is JD at the controls. 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 still = 0! Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: What's that Kevin "delusory evangelism" or one of the three below?? On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 07:25:50 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:> For enquiring minds:> JD chose plan B> > ZER0 Evangelism> > --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:> > > > > > > We have at leat three general patterns represented here on TT: > > 1. Drive-by or protest evangelism. > > 2. Ivory tower evangelism.> > 3. Mentor evangelism. > > I have made my choice.> > Enough said. > > jd> > > __> Do You Yahoo!?> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > --> "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you > may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) > http://www.InnGlory.org> > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you > have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.> > Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC for low, low rates.
Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
Results that combine both commands, "preach the gospel" and "make disciples/" jd -- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Results? #3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Three kinds of evangelism present on this list. 1.. Drive-bye or protest evangelismKevin , Dean, David (often but not always) 2. Tower of power evangelism -- where the saint does her best work at home and not in the real world. 3. Mentor evangelism (Lance , Bill and others) We don't agree, Judy, because the paradigm for evangelism is not the same. you in your home and me in my world, where I live, where people see me everyday. -- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> If there are christian teachers in the system (and there are) who must teach theories of evolution that they do not believe. What's wrong with teaching the other side also even if there are unbelievers teaching it There are also unbelievers in different churches these days teaching all kinds of things. The student has the responsibility to search it out for themselves. On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 12:32:49 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What's scary is that you think the solution is to have an antagonistic educator "teach" what he does not believe -- you thinking, of course, that he will do so without commentary that thoroughly negates the purpose of this compromise. In the real world, Linda, you simply cannot construct a model in which this will work to our (the Christian church -- whose address do we use , again ??) favor. In fact, to get all the warring factions to agree, the stateent on creationism would be so watered down as to be really meaningless. From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Scary to the max. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:14 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism Of course. But that is not really the issue. -- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> So IYO it is better to have secular folk teaching untruth than truth. I see . izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:46 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism It's not what is taught (for me and in this case) so much as it is WHO TEACHES THEM. You want the secular world to be responsible -- I don't. jd -- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > So, here we are, back to the fact that IF you believed something to be true > you would NOT want children to be taught about it. Can you see why some of > us aren't following your logic? iz > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir > Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:28 AM > To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism > > IZ:No, I would not. > > > - Original Message - > From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] .C OM>> To: > Sent: March 25, 2006 06:14 > ; Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism > > > & gt; Dodging the question, as usual. iz > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir > > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:54 PM > > To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org > > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism > > > > It ain't true. It's a hyperbolic hypothetical, Iz. > > > > . > > - Original Message - > > From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > To: > > Sent: March 24, 2006 17:16 > > Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism > > > &g t; > >> That wasn't the question; I asked whether IF you believe it were true, > >> you > >> would want it taught in schools. You said NO. Pathetic, eh? iz > >> > >> -Original Message- > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir > >> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:49 PM > >> To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org > >> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism > >> > >> David you are like so right, man! familiaritycontempt...were those > >> the > >> words? Probably got it comin'. &g
Re: [TruthTalk] Noah Webster
Really up on social justice huh Gary Olson; and allowing Dylan to do a lot of thinking for you??. On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 15:04:35 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 16:04:08 -0500 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: What was..that..Gary Olson? || "Oh my name it is nothin'My age it means lessThe country I come fromIs called the MidwestI's taught and brought up thereThe laws to abideAnd that land that I live inHas God on its side. Oh the history books tell itThey tell it so wellThe cavalries chargedThe Indians fellThe cavalries chargedThe Indians diedOh the country was youngWith God on its side.. But now we got weaponsOf the chemical dust If fire them we're forced toThen fire them we mustOne push of the buttonAnd a shot the world wideAnd you never ask questionsWhen God's on your side. In a many dark hourI've been thinkin' about thisThat Jesus ChristWas betrayed by a kissBut I can't think for youYou'll have to decideWhether Judas IscariotHad God on his side.." B Dytlan :: Copyright © 1963; renewed 1991 Special Rider Music
Re: [TruthTalk] Canadian Thought Police on the march
Not only a Master of Misperception but of MisRepresentation. maybe they are linked. Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm not crying or whining JD; you are a master of the misperception that's for sure and I don't look to you as a dispenser of God's grace; you can't get anyone in, but you can exclude them if you are anything like those prophets who travel over land and sea to make the people they minister to twice the sons of hell that they are. I hear a lot of talk of love and liberty from you but nothing about the fear of God or His righteous judgment.
On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 16:18:57 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:I said exactly what I had in mind, Judy. A "carnal babe" is still someone made alive in Christ. "Jezebel spirit" does not define you from my perspective. It is funny, to me, that you [all] can dish it out ("unsaved, messenger boys of Satan, of the Accuser, a product of the hell you preach," and on and on) but you cry and whine when someone turns the tables. At least, I have not excluded any of you from God's grace -- something each of you have done to me. Grow up. jd From: Judy Taylor
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Why don't you go ahead and say it out loud JD Judy has a Jezebel spirit - I've been around that kind of thinking before and know from whence it comes. Also your particular area of expertise is not spiritual discernment JD. On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 13:27:19 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Shucks !! And, did you note that us "liberals" do not agree on everything? One is not the puppet of the other. For my money, you are the poster girl for "carnal Christian" if
same includes "rebellions" as an indicator. jd From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Don't hold your breath waiting JD: You have never been open to anything I would have to say - when TT goes down I will know it is time to call it a day. On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 13:13:50 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Like I said, Judy, your spirit is as carnal as any. When you get that "fixed," talk to me. You''ll still have my e-mail. jd From: Judy
Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> And why is it present? Not enough power emanating from the cross to get rid of it yet? The scripture Izzy posted this morning about the Kingdom suffering violence and the violent taking it by force is all about sin JD. If you don't hate it as much as God does in your life and the lives of others you will never press in; the word is #971 Blazo - means to overpower, compel, press in with energy. On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 12:39:15 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There is a difference between defending sin and admitting to its presence. From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The old house was judged at the cross; if you want to hang on to it JD that's your demise Probably why you defend carnality so adamantly also. Only the new men make it because only they are fit for the Kingdom. On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 12:18:28 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Selling the old house and building the new house is
precisely what does not happen in new birth. What you moved to avoid is the real analogy. I am surprised that you think differently. jd From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 'Renovation of the Heart' by Dallas Willard. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 25, 2006 06:20 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Canadian Thought Police on the march Isnt that the truth? We sold our 100 year old house, for one thing, because we realized that the renovations would never be finished. As soon as you started to repair one thing it led to another and another. The whole house needed to be replaced one thing after another! So we built new. What an analogy of the difference between religion and being born again of the Holy Spirit. izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy TaylorSent: Friday, March 24, 2006 6:05 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Canadian Thought Police on the march There is no such thing as a "renovated" heart Lance; more misunderstanding which makes me wonderabout you and your SS conversion. It is a new heart; the old has passed away - all things become new. On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 08:06:30 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: My critique of this would be similar to your own. Granted that a civil society is an improvement on an uncivil one. Granted that a moral society is an improvement on an immoral one. Granted that some attempt to govern their lives by the so-called 'golden rule' or, by the ten commandments. These al
Re: [TruthTalk] Canadian Thought Police on the march
I think DM is plulling the plug right now but before he does it is most important that I telJudy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Don't hold your breath waiting JD: You have never been open to anything I would have to say - when TT goes down I will know it is time to call it a day. On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 13:13:50 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Like I said, Judy, your spirit is as carnal as any. When you get that "fixed," talk to me. You''ll still have my e-mail. jd From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> And why is it present? Not enough power emanating from the cross to get rid of it yet? The scripture Izzy posted this morning about the Kingdom suffering violence and the violent taking it by force is all about sin JD. If you don't hate it as much as God does in your life and the lives of others you will never press in; the word is #971 Blazo - means to overpower, compel, press in with energy. On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 12:39:15 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There is a difference between defending sin and admitting to its presence. From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The old house was judged at the cross; if you want to hang on to it JD that's your demise Probably why you defend carnality so adamantly also. Only the new men make it because only they are fit for the Kingdom. On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 12:18:28 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Selling the old house and building the new house is precisely what does not happen in new birth. What you moved to avoid is the real analogy. I am surprised that you think differently. jd From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 'Renovation of the Heart' by Dallas Willard. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 25, 2006 06:20 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Canadian Thought Police on the march Isnt that the truth? We sold our 100 year old house, for one thing, because we realized that the renovations would never be finished. As soon as you started to repair one thing it led to another and another. The whole house needed to be replaced one thing after another! So we built new. What an analogy of the difference between religion and being born again of the Holy Spirit. izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy TaylorSent: Friday, March 24, 2006 6:05 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Canadian Thought Police on the march There is no such thing as a "renovated" heart Lance; more misunderstanding which makes me wonderabout you and your SS conversion. It is a new heart; the old has passed away - all things become new. On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 08:06:30 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: My critique of this would be similar to your own. Granted that a civil society is an improvement on an uncivil one. Granted that a moral society is an improvement on an immoral one. Granted that some attempt to govern their lives by the so-called 'golden rule' or, by the ten commandments. These also offer up a social improvement on that which opposes the foregoing. Please, please tell me Kevin, Judy, David and Iz that the genuine 'renovation of the heart' would/should include all of the above? I do believe that some of y'all have things ass backwards with that upon which you focus (signage wise and all). ----- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 24, 2006 07:54Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Canadian Thought Police on the march The Canadian Guanatamo Better be careful with your social context on the INET Lance!Are you hating an identifiable group?And your comments on "FUNDIES" have hurt me, I understand it as an attack on me & multiple groups of my friends. ; )Do you have the telE for the Tribunal? Justice in Canaduhhttp://www.pressaction.com/news/weblog/full_article/petersen02272005/passed his second year of incarceration without chargeZündel was denied the right to cross-examine his accusers or to know all the evidence against him.Zündel stated that all his alleged crimes are Internet-related Canadian Human Rights Commission "The truth in some absolute sense really plays no role. Rather, it is the social context in which the message is delivered and heard which will determine the effect that the communication will have on the listener. It is not the truth or falsity per se that will evoke the emotion but rather how it is understood by the recipient.Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Don't look now but Canada is changing - Group ThinkGary North would be proud of you folks.He tried to bring in New Geneva
Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism paradigms
Tell us about some of your AMAZING sucess stories! Have you discipled any other Bishops? Who are they? I am so excited waiting for the exciting stories! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Well, I certainly think you qualify as the house pro on zero. -- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I knew a guy that got so bothered dealing with cult members, in frustration he said "let them go to hell" He meant it and so many today might as well, since their Evagelistic efforts amount to ZER0 The new & increasingly popular program of evangelism is the HOTtest thing. Based on the Japanese Model of MSmanagement it is called DOing N0thing! That is JD at the controls.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 still = 0! Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: What's that Kevin "delusory evangelism" or one of the three below?? On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 07:25:50 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:> For enquiring minds:> JD chose plan B> > ZER0 Evangelism> > --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:> > > > > > > We have at leat three general patterns represented here on TT: > > 1. Drive-by or protest evangelism. > > 2. Ivory tower evangelism.> > 3. Mentor evangelism. > > I have made my choice.> > Enough said. > > jd> > > __> Do You Yahoo!?> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > --> "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you > may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) > http://www.InnGlory.org> > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you > have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.> > Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC for low, low rates.
Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
Results? #3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Three kinds of evangelism present on this list. 1.. Drive-bye or protest evangelismKevin , Dean, David (often but not always) 2. Tower of power evangelism -- where the saint does her best work at home and not in the real world. 3. Mentor evangelism (Lance , Bill and others) We don't agree, Judy, because the paradigm for evangelism is not the same. you in your home and me in my world, where I live, where people see me everyday. -- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> If there are christian teachers in the system (and there are) who must teach theories of evolution that they do not believe. What's wrong with teaching the other side also even if there are unbelievers teaching it There are also unbelievers in different churches these days teaching all kinds of things. The student has the responsibility to search it out for themselves. On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 12:32:49 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:What's scary is that you think the solution is to have an antagonistic educator "teach" what he does not believe -- you thinking, of course, that he will do so without commentary that thoroughly negates the purpose of this compromise. In the real world, Linda, you simply cannot construct a model in which this will work to our (the Christian church -- whose address do we use , again ??) favor. In fact, to get all the warring factions to agree, the stateent on creationism would be so watered down as to be really meaningless. From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Scary to the max. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:14 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism Of course. But that is not really the issue. -- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> So IYO it is better to have secular folk teaching untruth than truth. I see . izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:46 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism It's not what is taught (for me and in this case) so much as it is WHO TEACHES THEM. You want the secular world to be responsible -- I don't. jd -- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > So, here we are, back to the fact that IF you believed something to be true > you would NOT want children to be taught about it. Can you see why some of > us aren't following your logic? iz > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir > Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:28 AM > To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism > > IZ:No, I would not. > > > - Original Message - > From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] OM>> To: > Sent: March 25, 2006 06:14 > ; Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism > > > & gt; Dodging the question, as usual. iz > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir > > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:54 PM > > To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org > > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism > > > > It ain't true. It's a hyperbolic hypothetical, Iz. > > > > . > > - Original Message - > > From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > To: > > Sent: March 24, 2006 17:16 > > Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism > > > > > >> That wasn't the question; I asked whether IF you believe it were true, > >> you > >> would want it taught in schools. You said NO. Pathetic, eh? iz > >> > >> -Original Message- > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir > >> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:49 PM > >> To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org > >> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism > >> > >> David you are like so right, man! familiaritycontempt...were those > >> the > >> words? Probably got it comin'. > >> > >> Actually Lady Iz, I prefer that untruth NOT be taught in schools (i.e. > >> creationism) > >> > >
