RE: [TruthTalk] 7th Day Adventists
From Marlin:
I think that the word "denomination" applies to the group.
But this is not a compliment. I prefer home churches and being led
directly of God, rather than by a hierarchy of human leaders. I am
responsible for my own actions before God, not any leader other than God can
give me salvation. But there are some things that a cooperating organized
group can do that smaller groups cannot for outreaches and teaching. There
are good works that larger groups can do.
This site has some level-headedness about the use of their
fallible leader in the past. Many SDAs elevate her writings to the level
of scripture, unable to see the differences. They observe humanideas
about spices, alcohol, music, vegetarianism, no vinegar, and coffee is bad while
chocolate is okay. Few of them ask why, and conservatives look for
evidence to prove that Ellen was right with scholarly dissertations.
http://www.capitalmemorial.org/egwonegw.htm
Ellen G. Whites Counsel on the Use ofHer Writings
With Respect to the Bible
Note: Ellen G. White claimed her writings to be the lesser light to lead us
to the Bible, the greater light. Little heed is given to the Bible, and the
Lord has given a lesser light to lead men and women to the greater light.
(Colporteur Evangelism, p. 37) When we fail in this objective and make
the Spirit of Prophecy the final word, we do a great injustice to the church and
Ellen G. White and rightfully deserve to be called a cult! [followed by
several quotes.]
- Original Message -
From:
ShieldsFamily
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 1:21 PM
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] 7th Day
Adventists
The
website looks very interesting,Marlin.
Its good to know the background on SDAs. Its
always good to hear from you. Izzy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlin halversonSent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 10:08
AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 7th Day
Adventists
My computer was attacked by that
sasser virus and I missed a bunch of mail, gone forever because of hotmail
account limitations.
Regarding the SDAs. I have
been fellowshipping among them for a couple of years now as a guest.
There are wonderful people there. The group as a whole is healthy enough
to assimilate some diversity without
crumbling.
I have decided to put some space
between them and myself and family for a time. A conflict arose over
appropriate forms of music and I do not want to be the one telling them what
is right more than I have already done. There are conservative views
that date back to the thoughts of Ellen White that are not even part of some
of the official guidelines, guidelines currently under revision. The
following web site is helpful for an insight into past developments that have
led up to current stands. Conflicts can arise from unstated beliefs that
are passed down through generations of
members.
http://www.isitso.org/guide/sda.html
Marlin
- Original Message -
From: ShieldsFamily
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday,
May 03, 2004 9:00 AM
Subject: RE:
[TruthTalk] 7th Day Adventists
Good attitude,
John. Ive not looked into Adventists because Ive had friends in the
past warn me against it, and I dont think my husband would be interested,
as he loves our non-D church. But Ive read some very favorable things about
how healthy they are due to their beliefs in keeping OT dietary laws. Are
you Adventist? Izzy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 9:02
PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 7th Day
Adventists
Just to clarify:The
Adventist church in most communities I am aware of, is accepted by most of
the other churches as part of the larger Christian community.
One of the local radio stations is a Christian music station run by the
Adventist church. It features announcements from all Christian
churches, and has advertisement from across the board. In time,
it's doctrine of exclusion will be completely gone. The folks I
know are great people, claiming the name of Jesus. I am
not aware that correct doctrinal thinking is a requirement for
salvation. Community among believers is a wonderful thing and
should be encouraged. Many in TT share this sense of
community. Peace outJohn
Smithson
Re: [TruthTalk] 7th Day Adventists
From Marlin:
I think that the word "denomination" applies to the group.
But this is not a compliment. I prefer home churches and being led
directly of God, rather than by a hierarchy of human leaders. I am
responsible for my own actions before God, not any leader other than God can
give me salvation. But there are some things that a cooperating organized
group can do that smaller groups cannot for outreaches and teaching. There
are good works that larger groups can do.
This site has some level-headedness about the use of their
fallible leader in the past. Many SDAs elevate her writings to the level
of scripture, unable to see the differences. They observe humanideas
about spices, alcohol, music, vegetarianism, no vinegar, and coffee is bad while
chocolate is okay. Few of them ask why, and conservatives look for
evidence to prove that Ellen was right with scholarly dissertations.
http://www.capitalmemorial.org/egwonegw.htm
Ellen G. Whites Counsel on the Use ofHer Writings
With Respect to the Bible
Note: Ellen G. White claimed her writings to be the lesser light to lead us
to the Bible, the greater light. Little heed is given to the Bible, and the
Lord has given a lesser light to lead men and women to the greater light.
(Colporteur Evangelism, p. 37) When we fail in this objective and make
the Spirit of Prophecy the final word, we do a great injustice to the church and
Ellen G. White and rightfully deserve to be called a cult! [followed by
several quotes.]
- Original Message -
From:
ShieldsFamily
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 1:21 PM
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] 7th Day
Adventists
The
website looks very interesting,Marlin.
Its good to know the background on SDAs. Its
always good to hear from you. Izzy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlin halversonSent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 10:08
AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 7th Day
Adventists
My computer was attacked by that
sasser virus and I missed a bunch of mail, gone forever because of hotmail
account limitations.
Regarding the SDAs. I have
been fellowshipping among them for a couple of years now as a guest.
There are wonderful people there. The group as a whole is healthy enough
to assimilate some diversity without
crumbling.
I have decided to put some space
between them and myself and family for a time. A conflict arose over
appropriate forms of music and I do not want to be the one telling them what
is right more than I have already done. There are conservative views
that date back to the thoughts of Ellen White that are not even part of some
of the official guidelines, guidelines currently under revision. The
following web site is helpful for an insight into past developments that have
led up to current stands. Conflicts can arise from unstated beliefs that
are passed down through generations of
members.
http://www.isitso.org/guide/sda.html
Marlin
- Original Message -
From: ShieldsFamily
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday,
May 03, 2004 9:00 AM
Subject: RE:
[TruthTalk] 7th Day Adventists
Good attitude,
John. Ive not looked into Adventists because Ive had friends in the
past warn me against it, and I dont think my husband would be interested,
as he loves our non-D church. But Ive read some very favorable things about
how healthy they are due to their beliefs in keeping OT dietary laws. Are
you Adventist? Izzy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 9:02
PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 7th Day
Adventists
Just to clarify:The
Adventist church in most communities I am aware of, is accepted by most of
the other churches as part of the larger Christian community.
One of the local radio stations is a Christian music station run by the
Adventist church. It features announcements from all Christian
churches, and has advertisement from across the board. In time,
it's doctrine of exclusion will be completely gone. The folks I
know are great people, claiming the name of Jesus. I am
not aware that correct doctrinal thinking is a requirement for
salvation. Community among believers is a wonderful thing and
should be encouraged. Many in TT share this sense of
community. Peace outJohn
Smithson
Re: [TruthTalk] 7th Day Adventists
My computer was attacked by that sasser virus and I missed a bunch of mail, gone forever because of hotmail account limitations. Regarding the SDAs. I have been fellowshipping among them for a couple of years now as a guest. There are wonderful people there. The group as a whole is healthy enough to assimilate some diversity without crumbling. I have decided to put some space between them and myself and family for a time. A conflict arose over appropriate forms of music and I do not want to be the one telling them what is right more than I have already done. There are conservative views that date back to the thoughts of Ellen White that are not even part of some of the official guidelines, guidelines currently under revision. The following web site is helpful for an insight into past developments that have led up to current stands. Conflicts can arise from unstated beliefs that are passed down through generations of members. http://www.isitso.org/guide/sda.html Marlin - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 9:00 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] 7th Day Adventists Good attitude, John. Ive not looked into Adventists because Ive had friends in the past warn me against it, and I dont think my husband would be interested, as he loves our non-D church. But Ive read some very favorable things about how healthy they are due to their beliefs in keeping OT dietary laws. Are you Adventist? Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 9:02 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 7th Day Adventists Just to clarify:The Adventist church in most communities I am aware of, is accepted by most of the other churches as part of the larger Christian community. One of the local radio stations is a Christian music station run by the Adventist church. It features announcements from all Christian churches, and has advertisement from across the board. In time, it's doctrine of exclusion will be completely gone. The folks I know are great people, claiming the name of Jesus. I am not aware that correct doctrinal thinking is a requirement for salvation. Community among believers is a wonderful thing and should be encouraged. Many in TT share this sense of community. Peace outJohn Smithson
RE: [TruthTalk] 7th Day Adventists
The website looks very interesting,Marlin. Its good to know the background on SDAs. Its always good to hear from you. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlin halverson Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 10:08 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 7th Day Adventists My computer was attacked by that sasser virus and I missed a bunch of mail, gone forever because of hotmail account limitations. Regarding the SDAs. I have been fellowshipping among them for a couple of years now as a guest. There are wonderful people there. The group as a whole is healthy enough to assimilate some diversity without crumbling. I have decided to put some space between them and myself and family for a time. A conflict arose over appropriate forms of music and I do not want to be the one telling them what is right more than I have already done. There are conservative views that date back to the thoughts of Ellen White that are not even part of some of the official guidelines, guidelines currently under revision. The following web site is helpful for an insight into past developments that have led up to current stands. Conflicts can arise from unstated beliefs that are passed down through generations of members. http://www.isitso.org/guide/sda.html Marlin - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 9:00 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] 7th Day Adventists Good attitude, John. Ive not looked into Adventists because Ive had friends in the past warn me against it, and I dont think my husband would be interested, as he loves our non-D church. But Ive read some very favorable things about how healthy they are due to their beliefs in keeping OT dietary laws. Are you Adventist? Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 9:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 7th Day Adventists Just to clarify: The Adventist church in most communities I am aware of, is accepted by most of the other churches as part of the larger Christian community. One of the local radio stations is a Christian music station run by the Adventist church. It features announcements from all Christian churches, and has advertisement from across the board. In time, it's doctrine of exclusion will be completely gone. The folks I know are great people, claiming the name of Jesus. I am not aware that correct doctrinal thinking is a requirement for salvation. Community among believers is a wonderful thing and should be encouraged. Many in TT share this sense of community. Peace out John Smithson
RE: [TruthTalk] 7th Day Adventists
Good attitude, John. Ive not looked into Adventists because Ive had friends in the past warn me against it, and I dont think my husband would be interested, as he loves our non-D church. But Ive read some very favorable things about how healthy they are due to their beliefs in keeping OT dietary laws. Are you Adventist? Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 9:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 7th Day Adventists Just to clarify: The Adventist church in most communities I am aware of, is accepted by most of the other churches as part of the larger Christian community. One of the local radio stations is a Christian music station run by the Adventist church. It features announcements from all Christian churches, and has advertisement from across the board. In time, it's doctrine of exclusion will be completely gone. The folks I know are great people, claiming the name of Jesus. I am not aware that correct doctrinal thinking is a requirement for salvation. Community among believers is a wonderful thing and should be encouraged. Many in TT share this sense of community. Peace out John Smithson
Re: [TruthTalk] 7th Day Adventists
In a message dated 5/3/2004 6:00:32 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Good attitude, John. Ive not looked into Adventists because Ive had friends in the past warn me against it, and I dont think my husband would be interested, as he loves our non-D church. But Ive read some very favorable things about how healthy they are due to their beliefs in keeping OT dietary laws. Are you Adventist? Izzy Good morning -- No I attend whereever, mostly Foursquare (because we like the worship service) and a large EV Free church for the same reason. Non denominational is currently the fade, but a good one. I do not believe in denominationalism at all, but what are you going to do. Can't stop attending. Peoples Church, a 10, ooo member church left the Assembly of God denomination on this principle (that there is no place in scritpure for the concept) and many others in our area have followed suit. John
Re: [TruthTalk] 7th Day Adventists
Just to clarify: The Adventist church in most communities I am aware of, is accepted by most of the other churches as part of the larger Christian community. One of the local radio stations is a Christian music station run by the Adventist church. It features announcements from all Christian churches, and has advertisement from across the board. In time, it's doctrine of exclusion will be completely gone. The folks I know are great people, claiming the name of Jesus. I am not aware that correct doctrinal thinking is a requirement for salvation. Community among believers is a wonderful thing and should be encouraged. Many in TT share this sense of community. Peace out John Smithson
Re: [TruthTalk] 7th Day Adventists
In a message dated 5/2/2004 10:02:36 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just to clarify:The Adventist church in most communities I am aware of, is accepted by most of the other churches as part of the larger Christian community. One of the local radio stations is a Christian music station run by the Adventist church. It features announcements from all Christian churches, and has advertisement from across the board. In time, it's doctrine of exclusion will be completely gone. The folks I know are great people, claiming the name of Jesus. I am not aware that correct doctrinal thinking is a requirement for salvation. Community among believers is a wonderful thing and should be encouraged. Many in TT share this sense of community. CorrectThey aren't considered a cult here either but the course I took considered them a sect. Laura
Re: [TruthTalk] 7th Day Adventists
In a message dated 5/2/2004 8:06:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Correct They aren't considered a cult here either but the course I took considered them a sect. Laura Where was this course taught? Just curious John
Re: [TruthTalk] 7th Day Adventists
In a message dated 5/2/2004 10:11:36 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Where was this course taught? Just curiousJohn At my church. Laura
Re: [TruthTalk] 7th Day Adventists
In a message dated 5/2/2004 9:10:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 5/2/2004 10:11:36 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Where was this course taught? Just curious John At my church. Laura Oh. John
