Re: [TruthTalk] Plurality vs Pluralism - Who is believing/teach THE TRUTH?
- Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/25/2006 1:19:48 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Plurality vs Pluralism - Who is believing/teach THE TRUTH? So then Dean, were I to send you a gift for 'consummables', would I make it a straw or a knife & fork? cd: Send a chain saw and a large meat cleaver :-) Note: Without God I am nothing.
Re: [TruthTalk] Plurality vs Pluralism - Who is believing/teach THE TRUTH?
So then Dean, were I to send you a gift for
'consummables', would I make it a straw or a knife &
fork?
- Original Message -
From:
Dean
Moore
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: February 25, 2006 13:01
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Plurality vs
Pluralism - Who is believing/teach THE TRUTH?
- Original Message -
From:
Lance
Muir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/24/2006 6:47:56 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Plurality vs
Pluralism - Who is believing/teach THE TRUTH?
We would appear to agree wholeheartedly, Dean.
Now, send the same message to Judy, DM, Gary and.wait a second...has
everyone else fled? Hmmm, one wonders as to whether they fled 'cause, on
matters of some import, they 'read' the Bible differently?
cd: Most were chased
off by others-one clashed with the law and lost-one has yet to be
decided:-)
Perhaps DM should pull the plug on TT so as not
to encourage, what did you call it, 'a doctrine of complexity that even a
collA(e sp)ge graduate would fall short (of) understanding and you or SATAN
has placed people around yourself that (are) is supporting this complex
error."? You would, I trust Dean, allege the same of Judy, David and Gary,
would you not?
cd: No TT should remain Lance-if
the work wasn't being done here the war would not be fought on this level
Lance. Satan is not divided and only resists truth. Here he fights hard
against us-so there also must be a gain.
By the way Dean, if a child can understand it
then, would you say that Judy doesn't need her 'study helps' and DM doesn't
require skills in ancient languages, logic etc.?
cd: Because there is a difference between
milk and meat-A child grows great on milk but in time if it isn't fed meat
it cannot survive. Milk is freely given to all by Jesus Christ but meat is a
entirely different matter. It must be sought for-asked about-and greatly
desired and only then given- if one is seeking in the right
direction-ask the right person and desire for the right reasons. The
comments about You/Satan putting others around you for your harm is true,
Lance-and was in no way meant to offend you. I am here to help you not mock
you-hope you see that.
- Original Message -
From:
Dean
Moore
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: February 24, 2006 06:29
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Plurality vs
Pluralism - Who is believing/teach THE TRUTH?
- Original Message -
From:
Lance
Muir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/24/2006 5:58:24 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Plurality
vs Pluralism - Who is believing/teach THE TRUTH?
Dean says to Lance "their is only ONE
TRUTH...the Bible wording supports OUR TRUTH" Further, "I have
tried to teach you...(the Bible truth, the One truth, our truth..
concerning sin)"
I posted the course notes on Christology
for you to see the diversity, Dean. In Mad Magazine it was Spy vs Spy
whereas on TT, in the churches and, in life it is ideaology vs
ideaology, religion vs religion, belief vs belief and, yes Dean, even
SCRIPTURE VS SCRIPTURE.
I suggest that you live out that which you
believe God has shown you.
cd: I think this is good
advice and I am trying to do just that Lance. My advice to you is to
forget all the different "isms" in these other views as they have IMO
lead you into confusion.God wrote in a language so simple that even a
child could understand-what you hold for truth is a doctrine of
complexity that even a collage graduate would fall short
understanding-and you or Satan has placed people around yourself
that is supporting this complex error. Simply read the Bible for your
self and draw you own conclusions from those written words and-as you
say live by those
words-respectfully.
Original Message -
From:
Dean Moore
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: February 24, 2006
05:33
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk]
Plurality vs Pluralism - Who is believing/teach THE TRUTH?
- Original Message -
From:
Lance Muir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/22/2006 7:1
Re: [TruthTalk] Plurality vs Pluralism - Who is believing/teach THE TRUTH?
I did mean Judy, Dean. We spoke further on this but
it ended in a deep, dark abyss.
- Original Message -
From:
Dean
Moore
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: February 25, 2006 12:55
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Plurality vs
Pluralism - Who is believing/teach THE TRUTH?
- Original Message -
From:
Lance
Muir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/24/2006 9:27:48 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Plurality vs
Pluralism - Who is believing/teach THE TRUTH?
You've worded this in such a way as to suggest
that God wouldn't 'use' those things I mentioned. He does. You appear to
have missed the main thrust of my point to Dean. That's OK.
cd: I think you mean Judy and not Dean,Lance.
She wrote the below:-)
- Original Message -
From:
Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: February 24, 2006 09:24
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Plurality vs
Pluralism - Who is believing/teach THE TRUTH?
Correction!! Study helps do not give
"understanding" Lance. Only the Holy Spirit can give
"understanding"
Historical background is not "understanding" per
se. One can know all ABOUT something and be completely
void of "understanding" or spiritually ignorant just like the
scribes and pharisees of Jesus' day..
On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 06:47:50 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
By the way Dean, if a child can understand it then, would you say that Judy doesn't need her 'study helps' and DM doesn't
require skills in ancient languages, logic
etc.?
cd: I think this is good
advice and I am trying to do just that Lance. My advice to you is to
forget all the different "isms" in these other views as they have IMO
lead you into confusion.God wrote in a language so simple that even a
child could understand-what you hold for truth is a doctrine of
complexity that even a collage graduate would fall short
understanding-and you or Satan has placed people around yourself
that is supporting this complex error. Simply read the Bible for your
self and draw you own conclusions from those written words and-as you
say live by those
words-respectfully.
From:
Lance Muir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/24/2006 5:58:24 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
Plurality vs Pluralism - Who is believing/teach THE TRUTH?
Dean says to Lance "their is only ONE
TRUTH...the Bible wording supports OUR TRUTH" Further, "I have
tried to teach you...(the Bible truth, the One truth, our truth..
concerning sin)"
I posted the course notes on
Christology for you to see the diversity, Dean. In Mad Magazine it
was Spy vs Spy whereas on TT, in the churches and, in life it is
ideaology vs ideaology, religion vs religion, belief vs belief and,
yes Dean, even SCRIPTURE VS SCRIPTURE.
I suggest that you live out that which
you believe God has shown you.
Original Message -
From:
Dean Moore
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: February 24, 2006
05:33
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk]
Plurality vs Pluralism - Who is believing/teach THE TRUTH?
- Original Message -
From:
Lance Muir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/22/2006 7:18:44 AM
Subject: [TruthTalk]
Plurality vs Pluralism - Who is believing/teach THE TRUTH?
Look 'em up. I'm for the former
and, agin' the latter. It seems to me that each believes their
understanding of the truth to be THE understanding of the
truth. Each attempts to demonstrate the foregoing by employing
means generally acceptable to all participants. When arriving at
an impasse, persons just agree to disagree or, think of
those with whom they disagree as unwilling/unable to
Re: [TruthTalk] Plurality vs Pluralism - Who is believing/teach THE TRUTH?
- Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/24/2006 6:47:56 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Plurality vs Pluralism - Who is believing/teach THE TRUTH? We would appear to agree wholeheartedly, Dean. Now, send the same message to Judy, DM, Gary and.wait a second...has everyone else fled? Hmmm, one wonders as to whether they fled 'cause, on matters of some import, they 'read' the Bible differently? cd: Most were chased off by others-one clashed with the law and lost-one has yet to be decided:-) Perhaps DM should pull the plug on TT so as not to encourage, what did you call it, 'a doctrine of complexity that even a collA(e sp)ge graduate would fall short (of) understanding and you or SATAN has placed people around yourself that (are) is supporting this complex error."? You would, I trust Dean, allege the same of Judy, David and Gary, would you not? cd: No TT should remain Lance-if the work wasn't being done here the war would not be fought on this level Lance. Satan is not divided and only resists truth. Here he fights hard against us-so there also must be a gain. By the way Dean, if a child can understand it then, would you say that Judy doesn't need her 'study helps' and DM doesn't require skills in ancient languages, logic etc.? cd: Because there is a difference between milk and meat-A child grows great on milk but in time if it isn't fed meat it cannot survive. Milk is freely given to all by Jesus Christ but meat is a entirely different matter. It must be sought for-asked about-and greatly desired and only then given- if one is seeking in the right direction-ask the right person and desire for the right reasons. The comments about You/Satan putting others around you for your harm is true, Lance-and was in no way meant to offend you. I am here to help you not mock you-hope you see that. - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 24, 2006 06:29 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Plurality vs Pluralism - Who is believing/teach THE TRUTH? - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/24/2006 5:58:24 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Plurality vs Pluralism - Who is believing/teach THE TRUTH? Dean says to Lance "their is only ONE TRUTH...the Bible wording supports OUR TRUTH" Further, "I have tried to teach you...(the Bible truth, the One truth, our truth.. concerning sin)" I posted the course notes on Christology for you to see the diversity, Dean. In Mad Magazine it was Spy vs Spy whereas on TT, in the churches and, in life it is ideaology vs ideaology, religion vs religion, belief vs belief and, yes Dean, even SCRIPTURE VS SCRIPTURE. I suggest that you live out that which you believe God has shown you. cd: I think this is good advice and I am trying to do just that Lance. My advice to you is to forget all the different "isms" in these other views as they have IMO lead you into confusion.God wrote in a language so simple that even a child could understand-what you hold for truth is a doctrine of complexity that even a collage graduate would fall short understanding-and you or Satan has placed people around yourself that is supporting this complex error. Simply read the Bible for your self and draw you own conclusions from those written words and-as you say live by those words-respectfully. Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 24, 2006 05:33 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Plurality vs Pluralism - Who is believing/teach THE TRUTH? - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/22/2006 7:18:44 AM Subject: [TruthTalk] Plurality vs Pluralism - Who is believing/teach THE TRUTH? Look 'em up. I'm for the former and, agin' the latter. It seems to me that each believes their understanding of the truth to be THE understanding of the truth. Each attempts to demonstrate the foregoing by employing means generally acceptable to all participants. When arriving at an impasse, persons just agree to disagree or, think of those with whom they disagree as unwilling/unable to SEE their (read THE) TRUTH. Persons also testify to the presence of their truth in their lives. Persons suggest some variation on illumination/enlightenment/Divine confirmation of their truth. cd:The problem I see with your reasoning Lance - Respectfully- is that the Bible wording supports our truth (ie. And there is only one truth). We can back up what we say with the word of God with harmony through the entire Bible- these others you mentioned cannot. I have tried to teach you about sin and the consequences of sin even on a believer. Can you use the Bible to teach me once saved always saved? How and, in what ways have I mischaracterized TT since its inception?
Re: [TruthTalk] Plurality vs Pluralism - Who is believing/teach THE TRUTH?
- Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/24/2006 9:27:48 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Plurality vs Pluralism - Who is believing/teach THE TRUTH? You've worded this in such a way as to suggest that God wouldn't 'use' those things I mentioned. He does. You appear to have missed the main thrust of my point to Dean. That's OK. cd: I think you mean Judy and not Dean,Lance. She wrote the below:-) - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 24, 2006 09:24 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Plurality vs Pluralism - Who is believing/teach THE TRUTH? Correction!! Study helps do not give "understanding" Lance. Only the Holy Spirit can give "understanding" Historical background is not "understanding" per se. One can know all ABOUT something and be completely void of "understanding" or spiritually ignorant just like the scribes and pharisees of Jesus' day.. On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 06:47:50 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: By the way Dean, if a child can understand it then, would you say that Judy doesn't need her 'study helps' and DM doesn't require skills in ancient languages, logic etc.? cd: I think this is good advice and I am trying to do just that Lance. My advice to you is to forget all the different "isms" in these other views as they have IMO lead you into confusion.God wrote in a language so simple that even a child could understand-what you hold for truth is a doctrine of complexity that even a collage graduate would fall short understanding-and you or Satan has placed people around yourself that is supporting this complex error. Simply read the Bible for your self and draw you own conclusions from those written words and-as you say live by those words-respectfully. From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/24/2006 5:58:24 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Plurality vs Pluralism - Who is believing/teach THE TRUTH? Dean says to Lance "their is only ONE TRUTH...the Bible wording supports OUR TRUTH" Further, "I have tried to teach you...(the Bible truth, the One truth, our truth.. concerning sin)" I posted the course notes on Christology for you to see the diversity, Dean. In Mad Magazine it was Spy vs Spy whereas on TT, in the churches and, in life it is ideaology vs ideaology, religion vs religion, belief vs belief and, yes Dean, even SCRIPTURE VS SCRIPTURE. I suggest that you live out that which you believe God has shown you. Original Message ----- From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 24, 2006 05:33 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Plurality vs Pluralism - Who is believing/teach THE TRUTH? - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/22/2006 7:18:44 AM Subject: [TruthTalk] Plurality vs Pluralism - Who is believing/teach THE TRUTH? Look 'em up. I'm for the former and, agin' the latter. It seems to me that each believes their understanding of the truth to be THE understanding of the truth. Each attempts to demonstrate the foregoing by employing means generally acceptable to all participants. When arriving at an impasse, persons just agree to disagree or, think of those with whom they disagree as unwilling/unable to SEE their (read THE) TRUTH. Persons also testify to the presence of their truth in their lives. Persons suggest some variation on illumination/enlightenment/Divine confirmation of their truth. cd:The problem I see with your reasoning Lance - Respectfully- is that the Bible wording supports our truth (ie. And there is only one truth). We can back up what we say with the word of God with harmony through the entire Bible- these others you mentioned cannot. I have tried to teach you about sin and the consequences of sin even on a believer. Can you use the Bible to teach me once saved always saved? How and, in what ways have I mischaracterized TT since its inception?
Re: [TruthTalk] Plurality vs Pluralism - Who is believing/teach THE TRUTH?
Correction!! Study helps do not give
"understanding" Lance. Only the Holy Spirit can give
"understanding"
Historical background is not "understanding" per se.
One can know all ABOUT something and be completely
void of "understanding" or
spiritually ignorant just like the scribes and pharisees of Jesus'
day..
On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 06:47:50 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
By the way Dean, if a child can understand it then, would you say that Judy doesn't need her 'study helps' and DM doesn't
require skills in ancient languages, logic etc.?
cd: I think this is good advice
and I am trying to do just that Lance. My advice to you is to forget all the
different "isms" in these other views as they have IMO lead you into
confusion.God wrote in a language so simple that even a child could
understand-what you hold for truth is a doctrine of complexity that even a
collage graduate would fall short understanding-and you or Satan has
placed people around yourself that is supporting this complex error. Simply
read the Bible for your self and draw you own conclusions from those written
words and-as you say live by those
words-respectfully.
From:
Lance
Muir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/24/2006 5:58:24 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Plurality vs
Pluralism - Who is believing/teach THE TRUTH?
Dean says to Lance "their is only ONE
TRUTH...the Bible wording supports OUR TRUTH" Further, "I have tried
to teach you...(the Bible truth, the One truth, our truth.. concerning
sin)"
I posted the course notes on Christology for
you to see the diversity, Dean. In Mad Magazine it was Spy vs Spy whereas
on TT, in the churches and, in life it is ideaology vs ideaology, religion
vs religion, belief vs belief and, yes Dean, even SCRIPTURE VS SCRIPTURE.
I suggest that you live out that which you
believe God has shown you.
Original Message -
From:
Dean Moore
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: February 24, 2006 05:33
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Plurality
vs Pluralism - Who is believing/teach THE TRUTH?
- Original Message -
From:
Lance Muir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/22/2006 7:18:44 AM
Subject: [TruthTalk] Plurality vs
Pluralism - Who is believing/teach THE TRUTH?
Look 'em up. I'm for the former and,
agin' the latter. It seems to me that each believes their
understanding of the truth to be THE understanding of the truth.
Each attempts to demonstrate the foregoing by employing means
generally acceptable to all participants. When arriving at an impasse,
persons just agree to disagree or, think of those with whom they
disagree as unwilling/unable to SEE their (read THE) TRUTH. Persons
also testify to the presence of their truth in their lives. Persons
suggest some variation on illumination/enlightenment/Divine
confirmation of their truth.
cd:The problem I see
with your reasoning Lance - Respectfully- is that the Bible wording
supports our truth (ie. And there is only one truth). We can back up
what we say with the word of God with harmony through the entire
Bible- these others you mentioned cannot. I have tried to teach
you about sin and the consequences of sin even on a believer. Can you
use the Bible to teach me once saved always
saved?
How and, in what ways have I
mischaracterized TT since its
inception?
Re: [TruthTalk] Plurality vs Pluralism - Who is believing/teach THE TRUTH?
You've worded this in such a way as to suggest that
God wouldn't 'use' those things I mentioned. He does. You appear to have missed
the main thrust of my point to Dean. That's OK.
- Original Message -
From:
Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: February 24, 2006 09:24
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Plurality vs
Pluralism - Who is believing/teach THE TRUTH?
Correction!! Study helps do not give
"understanding" Lance. Only the Holy Spirit can give
"understanding"
Historical background is not "understanding" per se.
One can know all ABOUT something and be completely
void of "understanding" or
spiritually ignorant just like the scribes and pharisees of Jesus'
day..
On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 06:47:50 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
By the way Dean, if a child can understand it then, would you say that Judy doesn't need her 'study helps' and DM doesn't
require skills in ancient languages, logic etc.?
cd: I think this is good
advice and I am trying to do just that Lance. My advice to you is to
forget all the different "isms" in these other views as they have IMO lead
you into confusion.God wrote in a language so simple that even a child
could understand-what you hold for truth is a doctrine of complexity that
even a collage graduate would fall short understanding-and you or
Satan has placed people around yourself that is supporting this
complex error. Simply read the Bible for your self and draw you own
conclusions from those written words and-as you say live
by those words-respectfully.
From:
Lance
Muir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/24/2006 5:58:24 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Plurality
vs Pluralism - Who is believing/teach THE TRUTH?
Dean says to Lance "their is only ONE
TRUTH...the Bible wording supports OUR TRUTH" Further, "I have
tried to teach you...(the Bible truth, the One truth, our truth..
concerning sin)"
I posted the course notes on Christology
for you to see the diversity, Dean. In Mad Magazine it was Spy vs Spy
whereas on TT, in the churches and, in life it is ideaology vs
ideaology, religion vs religion, belief vs belief and, yes Dean, even
SCRIPTURE VS SCRIPTURE.
I suggest that you live out that which you
believe God has shown you.
Original Message -
From:
Dean Moore
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: February 24, 2006
05:33
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk]
Plurality vs Pluralism - Who is believing/teach THE TRUTH?
- Original Message -
From:
Lance Muir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/22/2006 7:18:44 AM
Subject: [TruthTalk] Plurality
vs Pluralism - Who is believing/teach THE TRUTH?
Look 'em up. I'm for the former and,
agin' the latter. It seems to me that each believes their
understanding of the truth to be THE understanding of the
truth. Each attempts to demonstrate the foregoing by employing means
generally acceptable to all participants. When arriving at an
impasse, persons just agree to disagree or, think of those
with whom they disagree as unwilling/unable to SEE their (read THE)
TRUTH. Persons also testify to the presence of their truth in their
lives. Persons suggest some variation on
illumination/enlightenment/Divine confirmation of their
truth.
cd:The problem I
see with your reasoning Lance - Respectfully- is that the Bible
wording supports our truth (ie. And there is only one truth). We can
back up what we say with the word of God with harmony through the
entire Bible- these others you mentioned cannot. I have tried
to teach you about sin and the consequences of sin even on a
believer. Can you use the Bible to teach me once saved always
saved?
How and, in what ways have I
mischaracterized TT since its
inception?
Re: [TruthTalk] Plurality vs Pluralism - Who is believing/teach THE TRUTH?
We would appear to agree wholeheartedly, Dean. Now,
send the same message to Judy, DM, Gary and.wait a second...has everyone
else fled? Hmmm, one wonders as to whether they fled 'cause, on matters of some
import, they 'read' the Bible differently?
Perhaps DM should pull the plug on TT so as not to
encourage, what did you call it, 'a doctrine of complexity that even a collA(e
sp)ge graduate would fall short (of) understanding and you or SATAN has placed
people around yourself that (are) is supporting this complex error."? You would,
I trust Dean, allege the same of Judy, David and Gary, would you
not?
By the way Dean, if a child can understand it then,
would you say that Judy doesn't need her 'study helps' and DM doesn't require
skills in ancient languages, logic etc.?
- Original Message -
From:
Dean
Moore
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: February 24, 2006 06:29
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Plurality vs
Pluralism - Who is believing/teach THE TRUTH?
- Original Message -
From:
Lance
Muir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/24/2006 5:58:24 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Plurality vs
Pluralism - Who is believing/teach THE TRUTH?
Dean says to Lance "their is only ONE
TRUTH...the Bible wording supports OUR TRUTH" Further, "I have tried
to teach you...(the Bible truth, the One truth, our truth.. concerning sin)"
I posted the course notes on Christology for
you to see the diversity, Dean. In Mad Magazine it was Spy vs Spy whereas on
TT, in the churches and, in life it is ideaology vs ideaology, religion vs
religion, belief vs belief and, yes Dean, even SCRIPTURE VS SCRIPTURE.
I suggest that you live out that which you
believe God has shown you.
cd: I think this is good advice
and I am trying to do just that Lance. My advice to you is to forget all the
different "isms" in these other views as they have IMO lead you into
confusion.God wrote in a language so simple that even a child could
understand-what you hold for truth is a doctrine of complexity that even a
collage graduate would fall short understanding-and you or Satan has
placed people around yourself that is supporting this complex error. Simply
read the Bible for your self and draw you own conclusions from those written
words and-as you say live by those
words-respectfully.
Original Message -
From:
Dean
Moore
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: February 24, 2006 05:33
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Plurality vs
Pluralism - Who is believing/teach THE TRUTH?
- Original Message -
From:
Lance
Muir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/22/2006 7:18:44 AM
Subject: [TruthTalk] Plurality vs
Pluralism - Who is believing/teach THE TRUTH?
Look 'em up. I'm for the former and, agin'
the latter. It seems to me that each believes their understanding of the
truth to be THE understanding of the truth. Each attempts to
demonstrate the foregoing by employing means generally acceptable to all
participants. When arriving at an impasse, persons just agree to
disagree or, think of those with whom they disagree as
unwilling/unable to SEE their (read THE) TRUTH. Persons also testify to
the presence of their truth in their lives. Persons suggest some
variation on illumination/enlightenment/Divine confirmation of their
truth.
cd:The problem I see
with your reasoning Lance - Respectfully- is that the Bible wording
supports our truth (ie. And there is only one truth). We can back up
what we say with the word of God with harmony through the entire
Bible- these others you mentioned cannot. I have tried to teach you
about sin and the consequences of sin even on a believer. Can you use
the Bible to teach me once saved always saved?
How and, in what ways have I
mischaracterized TT since its
inception?
Re: [TruthTalk] Plurality vs Pluralism - Who is believing/teach THE TRUTH?
- Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/24/2006 5:58:24 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Plurality vs Pluralism - Who is believing/teach THE TRUTH? Dean says to Lance "their is only ONE TRUTH...the Bible wording supports OUR TRUTH" Further, "I have tried to teach you...(the Bible truth, the One truth, our truth.. concerning sin)" I posted the course notes on Christology for you to see the diversity, Dean. In Mad Magazine it was Spy vs Spy whereas on TT, in the churches and, in life it is ideaology vs ideaology, religion vs religion, belief vs belief and, yes Dean, even SCRIPTURE VS SCRIPTURE. I suggest that you live out that which you believe God has shown you. cd: I think this is good advice and I am trying to do just that Lance. My advice to you is to forget all the different "isms" in these other views as they have IMO lead you into confusion.God wrote in a language so simple that even a child could understand-what you hold for truth is a doctrine of complexity that even a collage graduate would fall short understanding-and you or Satan has placed people around yourself that is supporting this complex error. Simply read the Bible for your self and draw you own conclusions from those written words and-as you say live by those words-respectfully. Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 24, 2006 05:33 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Plurality vs Pluralism - Who is believing/teach THE TRUTH? - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/22/2006 7:18:44 AM Subject: [TruthTalk] Plurality vs Pluralism - Who is believing/teach THE TRUTH? Look 'em up. I'm for the former and, agin' the latter. It seems to me that each believes their understanding of the truth to be THE understanding of the truth. Each attempts to demonstrate the foregoing by employing means generally acceptable to all participants. When arriving at an impasse, persons just agree to disagree or, think of those with whom they disagree as unwilling/unable to SEE their (read THE) TRUTH. Persons also testify to the presence of their truth in their lives. Persons suggest some variation on illumination/enlightenment/Divine confirmation of their truth. cd:The problem I see with your reasoning Lance - Respectfully- is that the Bible wording supports our truth (ie. And there is only one truth). We can back up what we say with the word of God with harmony through the entire Bible- these others you mentioned cannot. I have tried to teach you about sin and the consequences of sin even on a believer. Can you use the Bible to teach me once saved always saved? How and, in what ways have I mischaracterized TT since its inception?
Re: [TruthTalk] Plurality vs Pluralism - Who is believing/teach THE TRUTH?
Dean says to Lance "their is only ONE TRUTH...the Bible wording supports OUR TRUTH" Further, "I have tried to teach you...(the Bible truth, the One truth, our truth.. concerning sin)" I posted the course notes on Christology for you to see the diversity, Dean. In Mad Magazine it was Spy vs Spy whereas on TT, in the churches and, in life it is ideaology vs ideaology, religion vs religion, belief vs belief and, yes Dean, even SCRIPTURE VS SCRIPTURE. I suggest that you live out that which you believe God has shown you. Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 24, 2006 05:33 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Plurality vs Pluralism - Who is believing/teach THE TRUTH? - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/22/2006 7:18:44 AM Subject: [TruthTalk] Plurality vs Pluralism - Who is believing/teach THE TRUTH? Look 'em up. I'm for the former and, agin' the latter. It seems to me that each believes their understanding of the truth to be THE understanding of the truth. Each attempts to demonstrate the foregoing by employing means generally acceptable to all participants. When arriving at an impasse, persons just agree to disagree or, think of those with whom they disagree as unwilling/unable to SEE their (read THE) TRUTH. Persons also testify to the presence of their truth in their lives. Persons suggest some variation on illumination/enlightenment/Divine confirmation of their truth. cd:The problem I see with your reasoning Lance - Respectfully- is that the Bible wording supports our truth (ie. And there is only one truth). We can back up what we say with the word of God with harmony through the entire Bible- these others you mentioned cannot. I have tried to teach you about sin and the consequences of sin even on a believer. Can you use the Bible to teach me once saved always saved? How and, in what ways have I mischaracterized TT since its inception?
RE: [TruthTalk] Plurality vs Pluralism - Who is believing/teach THE TRUTH?
- Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/22/2006 7:18:44 AM Subject: [TruthTalk] Plurality vs Pluralism - Who is believing/teach THE TRUTH? Look 'em up. I'm for the former and, agin' the latter. It seems to me that each believes their understanding of the truth to be THE understanding of the truth. Each attempts to demonstrate the foregoing by employing means generally acceptable to all participants. When arriving at an impasse, persons just agree to disagree or, think of those with whom they disagree as unwilling/unable to SEE their (read THE) TRUTH. Persons also testify to the presence of their truth in their lives. Persons suggest some variation on illumination/enlightenment/Divine confirmation of their truth. cd:The problem I see with your reasoning Lance - Respectfully- is that the Bible wording supports our truth (ie. And there is only one truth). We can back up what we say with the word of God with harmony through the entire Bible- these others you mentioned cannot. I have tried to teach you about sin and the consequences of sin even on a believer. Can you use the Bible to teach me once saved always saved? How and, in what ways have I mischaracterized TT since its inception?
Re: [TruthTalk] Plurality vs Pluralism - Who is believing/teach THE TRUTH?
Lance wrote: > ALL REAL BELIEVERS EXPERIENCE > THE REAL JESUS! Thereafter, such believers > articulate scripture/experience/tradition/reason > differently. Amen! I like the way you said that. David Miller. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] Plurality vs Pluralism - Who is believing/teach THE TRUTH?
Isaiah Berlin? Wow! I've got a friend who has read pretty much everything that he's written. Your further treatment of plurality/pluralism is helpful. ALL REAL BELIEVERS EXPERIENCE THE REAL JESUS! Thereafter, such believers articulate scripture/experience/tradition/reason differently. - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: February 22, 2006 08:35 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Plurality vs Pluralism - Who is believing/teach THE TRUTH? People approach TruthTalk from different perspectives. It is interesting to me that you are for plurality but against pluralism. Can you elaborate on that some more? I'm not sure I'm against pluralism, but I'm not certain of the distinction you perceive exists in these terms. There are many ways in which I can find agreement with a liberal philosopher like Isaiah Berlin who promoted pluralism, but there are extensions of pluralism that I find objectionable. For example, I do believe that there is a single harmony of truths into which everything fits, and that is Jesus Christ. Some might interpret this as monism, but from my perspective, there exists a great diversity of those truths as they fit in that harmony of the person of Jesus Christ. I think this rightly might be understood as pluralism. It seems to me that uniformity is not the goal. Rather, iron sharpens iron, and we help each other discard falsehood and embrace truth more firmly when we discuss our various perspectives. Few change quickly, but over time, we each learn to appreciate that which is brought to the table by others. There are many things you, Lance, bring out that I think about and come to embrace in my life. For example, you tend to have an emphasis on people rather than ideas, an emphasis on relationships rather than understanding concepts. This has actually helped me keep my emphasis on the person of Jesus in my thinking and preaching rather than the minute issues which illustrate deviance from the person of Christ. Having come from a science background, it is all too easy for me to focus upon specific ideas and concepts rather than the person of Jesus Christ. Your approach has helped balance me in this way, and I am thankful for you because of this. David Miller. - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 7:18 AM Subject: [TruthTalk] Plurality vs Pluralism - Who is believing/teach THE TRUTH? Look 'em up. I'm for the former and, agin' the latter. It seems to me that each believes their understanding of the truth to be THE understanding of the truth. Each attempts to demonstrate the foregoing by employing means generally acceptable to all participants. When arriving at an impasse, persons just agree to disagree or, think of those with whom they disagree as unwilling/unable to SEE their (read THE) TRUTH. Persons also testify to the presence of their truth in their lives. Persons suggest some variation on illumination/enlightenment/Divine confirmation of their truth. How and, in what ways have I mischaracterized TT since its inception? -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] Plurality vs Pluralism - Who is believing/teach THE TRUTH?
People approach TruthTalk from different perspectives. It is interesting to me that you are for plurality but against pluralism. Can you elaborate on that some more? I'm not sure I'm against pluralism, but I'm not certain of the distinction you perceive exists in these terms. There are many ways in which I can find agreement with a liberal philosopher like Isaiah Berlin who promoted pluralism, but there are extensions of pluralism that I find objectionable. For example, I do believe that there is a single harmony of truths into which everything fits, and that is Jesus Christ. Some might interpret this as monism, but from my perspective, there exists a great diversity of those truths as they fit in that harmony of the person of Jesus Christ. I think this rightly might be understood as pluralism. It seems to me that uniformity is not the goal. Rather, iron sharpens iron, and we help each other discard falsehood and embrace truth more firmly when we discuss our various perspectives. Few change quickly, but over time, we each learn to appreciate that which is brought to the table by others. There are many things you, Lance, bring out that I think about and come to embrace in my life. For example, you tend to have an emphasis on people rather than ideas, an emphasis on relationships rather than understanding concepts. This has actually helped me keep my emphasis on the person of Jesus in my thinking and preaching rather than the minute issues which illustrate deviance from the person of Christ. Having come from a science background, it is all too easy for me to focus upon specific ideas and concepts rather than the person of Jesus Christ. Your approach has helped balance me in this way, and I am thankful for you because of this. David Miller. - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 7:18 AM Subject: [TruthTalk] Plurality vs Pluralism - Who is believing/teach THE TRUTH? Look 'em up. I'm for the former and, agin' the latter. It seems to me that each believes their understanding of the truth to be THE understanding of the truth. Each attempts to demonstrate the foregoing by employing means generally acceptable to all participants. When arriving at an impasse, persons just agree to disagree or, think of those with whom they disagree as unwilling/unable to SEE their (read THE) TRUTH. Persons also testify to the presence of their truth in their lives. Persons suggest some variation on illumination/enlightenment/Divine confirmation of their truth. How and, in what ways have I mischaracterized TT since its inception? -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
