Re: [tryton] version du serveur incompatble - server version not compatible
Hello Armand Am Dienstag, 4. Oktober 2016, 10:44:48 schrieb Armand Mpassy-Nzoumba: > On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 8:52 AM, Axel Braun wrote: > > packaging the nodejs-stuff is a PITA I will look into this later. > > What you may try in between: > - install sao from source, as described in > /usr/share/doc/packages/trytond/tryton-server.README.SUSE > - Cross check with the Live-CD for Leap (it comes with Sao as well) > > Thank you for your guidance. I really appreciate your contribution and the > contribution of the whole tryton community. add the entry [web] root = /usr/lib/node-modules/tryton-sao to /etc/tryton/trytond.conf and restart the server systemctl restart trytond Let me know the result Cheers Axel -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "tryton" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tryton/8404048.DWaAISublm%40t520.axxite.internal.
Re: [tryton] Audit compliance?
On 04.10.2016 16:00, Pa Wa wrote: [1] https://www.psp.eu/media/allgemein/GoBD-Leitfaden_Version_2_0_FINAL.pdf > This is a nice document. Thx for the link. But be careful. This is not a legal document but a personal interpretation of the GoBD by the authors which are tax advisors. So the interpretation may or may not match the interpretation of the jurisdiction. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "tryton" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tryton/75f708ce-8ce9-27df-74df-89d2135ee7d6%40googlemail.com.
Re: [tryton] Audit compliance?
On 04.10.2016 16:00, Cédric Krier wrote: > On 2016-10-04 14:48, 'Korbinian Preisler' via tryton wrote: >>> Background: in Germany since 2015 (GoBD) any digital handling of >>> business process related data has to be, in essence, unchangeable, or >>> safe from being manipulated. Therefore requirements to an ERP from the >>> legislator/regulator standpoint of view are now stricter. >>> >>> These requirements are: >>> * book entries or records must not be changed in such a way that >>> their original content cannot be retrieved or determined any more, >>> * later changes are to be made in such a way, that the original >>> content as well as the fact that changes were made, are recognizable, >>> * when master data is changed, the distinct meaning in the according >>> transaction data has to be recognizable afterwards. >> I think that these 2 features should meet the legal requirements but >> maybe except for the requirement that is defined by 'unchangeable'. All >> the data is stored in a database and i do not see any proper technical >> way how to make the content of it 'unchangeable'. For me the GoBD are >> are quite vague about this term. > Indeed what does Tryton is to prevent any change on posted move. But > this is an application constraint so it is always possible to overrule > this constraint by hacking the system. Indeed guarantee the immutability > of records will need to sent the data (or a hash) to a trusted party. > I agree that this is an option. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "tryton" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tryton/d9e377d8-dc98-3686-8e5b-d910a5734f41%40googlemail.com.
Re: [tryton] Audit compliance?
Thank you for your reply. Am Dienstag, 4. Oktober 2016 14:49:20 UTC+2 schrieb Timitos: > > > These requirements are: > > * book entries or records must not be changed in such a way that > > their original content cannot be retrieved or determined any more, > > * later changes are to be made in such a way, that the original > > content as well as the fact that changes were made, are recognizable, > > * when master data is changed, the distinct meaning in the according > > transaction data has to be recognizable afterwards. > I think that these 2 features should meet the legal requirements but > maybe except for the requirement that is defined by 'unchangeable'. All > the data is stored in a database and i do not see any proper technical > way how to make the content of it 'unchangeable'. For me the GoBD are > are quite vague about this term. > According to the GoBD Guidlines [1], pages 28-29, 'unchangeable' (that is how I've translated) means: 'The electronic data processing procedure must guarantee, that all information (programs and data stock), which has been introduced once into the data processing process (receipt, entry, etc.), cannot be aborted/suppressed or rewritten without an identification as such, deleted, edited or falsified/manipulated, too. Already inserted information into the data processing procedure is not allowed to be replaced by new data without proper identification.' Measures to prevent such manipulation can be on the hardware and on the software side. Software measures listed there are: 'Safeguarding or backup (depends on the translation and intention of the guideline itself), blocking, locking up, erase marker, automatic logging, versioning, historicizing.' This is to be regarded as a 'should'-requirement. The guideline comments on this as follows, p. 32: By using of additional internal safety measures (checksums, validity check, system protocols/logs, technical authorisation, etc.) attempts of manipulation of data "bypassing the planned process" can be prevented in most cases or at least be detected.' I have never had the pleasure of a tax audit, so I have no experience at all with the tax auditors/inspectors in Germany. Penalties can be very considerable if you are a small and medium-sized company. [1] https://www.psp.eu/media/allgemein/GoBD-Leitfaden_Version_2_0_FINAL.pdf -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "tryton" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tryton/a99962f7-e10c-4fb9-9ac3-082682a7fdb0%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [tryton] Audit compliance?
On 2016-10-04 14:48, 'Korbinian Preisler' via tryton wrote: > > Background: in Germany since 2015 (GoBD) any digital handling of > > business process related data has to be, in essence, unchangeable, or > > safe from being manipulated. Therefore requirements to an ERP from the > > legislator/regulator standpoint of view are now stricter. > > > > These requirements are: > > * book entries or records must not be changed in such a way that > > their original content cannot be retrieved or determined any more, > > * later changes are to be made in such a way, that the original > > content as well as the fact that changes were made, are recognizable, > > * when master data is changed, the distinct meaning in the according > > transaction data has to be recognizable afterwards. > I think that these 2 features should meet the legal requirements but > maybe except for the requirement that is defined by 'unchangeable'. All > the data is stored in a database and i do not see any proper technical > way how to make the content of it 'unchangeable'. For me the GoBD are > are quite vague about this term. Indeed what does Tryton is to prevent any change on posted move. But this is an application constraint so it is always possible to overrule this constraint by hacking the system. Indeed guarantee the immutability of records will need to sent the data (or a hash) to a trusted party. -- Cédric Krier - B2CK SPRL Email/Jabber: cedric.kr...@b2ck.com Tel: +32 472 54 46 59 Website: http://www.b2ck.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "tryton" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tryton/20161004140041.GM99626%40tetsuo.
Re: [tryton] Audit compliance?
Hi, On 04.10.2016 13:51, Pa Wa wrote: > Hello Tryton Developers, > Hello Tryton Users! > > > From the legislator standpoint of view, wherever it may be, > bookkeeping has to be 'audit safe'. Regulations may vary from country > to country, but the character may be the same. > > That is to prevent fraud by manipulating the bookkeeping itself, I guess. > > The main question here: Does Tryton have measures implemented that > track any changes made to any data Tryton stores or keeps track of? You can track any change of a record by activating the history table on the model [1] On relations you can define a datetime_field[2]. It will be used to retrieve the content of the related model by the date given by the datetime_field. > > > Background: in Germany since 2015 (GoBD) any digital handling of > business process related data has to be, in essence, unchangeable, or > safe from being manipulated. Therefore requirements to an ERP from the > legislator/regulator standpoint of view are now stricter. > > These requirements are: > * book entries or records must not be changed in such a way that > their original content cannot be retrieved or determined any more, > * later changes are to be made in such a way, that the original > content as well as the fact that changes were made, are recognizable, > * when master data is changed, the distinct meaning in the according > transaction data has to be recognizable afterwards. I think that these 2 features should meet the legal requirements but maybe except for the requirement that is defined by 'unchangeable'. All the data is stored in a database and i do not see any proper technical way how to make the content of it 'unchangeable'. For me the GoBD are are quite vague about this term. [1] http://doc.tryton.org/4.0/trytond/doc/ref/models/models.html?highlight=history#trytond.model.ModelSQL._history [2] http://doc.tryton.org/4.0/trytond/doc/ref/models/fields.html?highlight=datetime_field#many2one -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "tryton" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tryton/a0360ef2-0e4e-8fd8-21e7-fbfeb4318b79%40googlemail.com.
[tryton] Audit compliance?
Hello Tryton Developers, Hello Tryton Users! >From the legislator standpoint of view, wherever it may be, bookkeeping has to be 'audit safe'. Regulations may vary from country to country, but the character may be the same. That is to prevent fraud by manipulating the bookkeeping itself, I guess. The main question here: Does Tryton have measures implemented that track any changes made to any data Tryton stores or keeps track of? Background: in Germany since 2015 (GoBD) any digital handling of business process related data has to be, in essence, unchangeable, or safe from being manipulated. Therefore requirements to an ERP from the legislator/regulator standpoint of view are now stricter. These requirements are: * book entries or records must not be changed in such a way that their original content cannot be retrieved or determined any more, * later changes are to be made in such a way, that the original content as well as the fact that changes were made, are recognizable, * when master data is changed, the distinct meaning in the according transaction data has to be recognizable afterwards. These are just those requirements touching an ERP, but not limited to. Thank you. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "tryton" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tryton/9771e48c-42b7-4c0c-8404-5ba20cf3f3dd%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [tryton] version du serveur incompatble - server version not compatible
2016-10-04 11:40 GMT+02:00 Armand Mpassy-Nzoumba : > Bonjour Dominique, > > On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 9:05 AM, Dominique Chabord > wrote: >> >> do you want to setup Tryton for production/development use or just to >> give it a try ? If just first try, you may consider this free hosting >> : http://sisalp.com >> regards > > > Well noted. However it may suit our local environment. I am here in central > Africa and Internet is rather a luxus good than a commodity. Even when it's > available, it's quite unstable or users may get disconnected during election > or period of turmoils by local authorities. THis is off course another > debate which goes beyond this forum. > I also propose the same service on a local computer. It is more work for me to set up but it is probably the right solution for production, in particular if health data are stored on the server. > This is the reason I have been testing the Tryton Live CD or Neso. Our goal > is to make Tryton/GNU Health available to all sme and all health > professionals. I strongly believe that FLOSS is one of the key for the > development in Africa. > > I'll test your site anyway and I'll provide you my feedback. We may consider > using it in the future. I don't have gnu-health modules ready on this free tryton offering. Let's build together an easy to start solution for it. > > Cheers, > > Armand -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "tryton" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tryton/CAHZrxK5JNHXTGNyXiAf07WP5Mhbsu2Zd%3D7NWskcjk_G%2BVAJr9Q%40mail.gmail.com.
Re: [tryton] version du serveur incompatble - server version not compatible
Dear Axel, On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 8:52 AM, Axel Braun wrote: > > packaging the nodejs-stuff is a PITA I will look into this later. > > What you may try in between: > - install sao from source, as described in > /usr/share/doc/packages/trytond/tryton-server.README.SUSE > - Cross check with the Live-CD for Leap (it comes with Sao as well) > Thank you for your guidance. I really appreciate your contribution and the contribution of the whole tryton community. Cheers, Armand -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "tryton" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tryton/CAGb%2BB3eMSpdgKzij%3DXUk56%2Bguue%3DjFQwktAyLz-uY5H1DVr6BQ%40mail.gmail.com.
Re: [tryton] version du serveur incompatble - server version not compatible
Bonjour Dominique, On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 9:05 AM, Dominique Chabord < dominique.chab...@sisalp.org> wrote: > do you want to setup Tryton for production/development use or just to > give it a try ? If just first try, you may consider this free hosting > : http://sisalp.com > regards Well noted. However it may suit our local environment. I am here in central Africa and Internet is rather a luxus good than a commodity. Even when it's available, it's quite unstable or users may get disconnected during election or period of turmoils by local authorities. THis is off course another debate which goes beyond this forum. This is the reason I have been testing the Tryton Live CD or Neso. Our goal is to make Tryton/GNU Health available to all sme and all health professionals. I strongly believe that FLOSS is one of the key for the development in Africa. I'll test your site anyway and I'll provide you my feedback. We may consider using it in the future. Cheers, Armand -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "tryton" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tryton/CAGb%2BB3dZjkFTstbTRSZnTdkWcubXZcT6TJdxOggzxM-PogF0Lw%40mail.gmail.com.
Re: [tryton] version du serveur incompatble - server version not compatible
Dear Mathias, On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Mathias Behrle wrote: > > I am not an expert of tryton yet. However I came across the link of the > > tryton-sao ftp directory under debian: > > https://ftp-master.debian.org/new/tryton-sao_4.0.4-1.html > > That's not a complete source directory, it is the Debian New Queue. > For complete sources better look at [0][1]. Well noted. > > > When I compare the files to the tryton-sao installation under OpenSuse, > it > > looks like a few files are missing. For exemple I don't see the > index.html > > file. > > sao currently needs jquery2, so tryton-sao runs out of the box on Debian > stable > (jessie) using [2] with the sources for Distribution jessie-4.0. When > running > Debian testing/unstable, you have to provide/pin jquery to version 2, > because > it has already jquery3. > I'll definitely have a look at it. Thank you for your assistance. Cheers, Armand -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "tryton" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tryton/CAGb%2BB3dP7K6dTaezGMsOv5O%3D9u3xe-%2B7L1%3DXoamWQkcy09k1bg%40mail.gmail.com.
Re: [tryton] version du serveur incompatble - server version not compatible
* Armand Mpassy-Nzoumba: " Re: [tryton] version du serveur incompatble - server version not compatible" (Tue, 4 Oct 2016 00:51:32 +0100): Hi Armand, > Hi Axel > > On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 6:35 PM, Axel Braun wrote: > > > Hi Armand, > > > > > > Can you connect via Web-Frontend from the sdame computer? Then it may be an > > issue with the firewall. > > For the rest, the only thing to be done is to set the correct path in > > [jsonrpc]. If you install from the package: > > > > # The root path to retrieve data for GET requests > > data = /usr/lib/node_modules/tryton-sao > > > > ..otherwise there, where the sao-files are installed > > > > I can't connect from the localhost. I still get the following error message: > > Internal Server Error > > The server encountered an internal error and was unable to complete your > request. Either the server is overloaded or there is an error in the > application. > > Here is my config related to tryton-sao. I also recall that the [jsonrpc] > is no longer valid under tryton 4.0. > > [web] > listen = [::]:8000 > root = /usr/lib/node_modules/tryton-sao/ > > I am not an expert of tryton yet. However I came across the link of the > tryton-sao ftp directory under debian: > https://ftp-master.debian.org/new/tryton-sao_4.0.4-1.html That's not a complete source directory, it is the Debian New Queue. For complete sources better look at [0][1]. > When I compare the files to the tryton-sao installation under OpenSuse, it > looks like a few files are missing. For exemple I don't see the index.html > file. sao currently needs jquery2, so tryton-sao runs out of the box on Debian stable (jessie) using [2] with the sources for Distribution jessie-4.0. When running Debian testing/unstable, you have to provide/pin jquery to version 2, because it has already jquery3. Cheers, Mathias NB: The packaging in Debian[1] is substantially different from the OpenSuse packaging[3], as the latter provides bundled bower components, while the Debian packaging uses native packages from Debian main. [0] http://tryton.alioth.debian.org/ [1] https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/tryton/tryton-sao.git/ [2] http://tryton.alioth.debian.org/mirror.html#how-to [3] https://build.opensuse.org/package/show/Application:ERP:Tryton:4.0/tryton-sao -- Mathias Behrle MBSolutions Gilgenmatten 10 A D-79114 Freiburg Tel: +49(761)471023 Fax: +49(761)4770816 http://www.m9s.biz UStIdNr: DE 142009020 PGP/GnuPG key availabable from any keyserver, ID: 0xD6D09BE48405BBF6 AC29 7E5C 46B9 D0B6 1C71 7681 D6D0 9BE4 8405 BBF6 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "tryton" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tryton/20161004103442.14139674%40monsterix.mbehrle.de. pgpsSYfNorsaT.pgp Description: Digitale Signatur von OpenPGP
Re: [tryton] version du serveur incompatble - server version not compatible
do you want to setup Tryton for production/development use or just to give it a try ? If just first try, you may consider this free hosting : http://sisalp.com regards 2016-10-04 9:52 GMT+02:00 Axel Braun : > Hi Armand, > > Am Dienstag, 4. Oktober 2016, 08:48:03 schrieb Armand Mpassy-Nzoumba: >> On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 8:18 AM, Sergi Almacellas Abellana >> wrote: >> >> Have you installed the tryton-sao package? >> >> Yes, I did. I used the OpenSuse official package. > > packaging the nodejs-stuff is a PITA I will look into this later. > > What you may try in between: > - install sao from source, as described in > /usr/share/doc/packages/trytond/tryton-server.README.SUSE > - Cross check with the Live-CD for Leap (it comes with Sao as well) > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "tryton" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tryton/122973313.p955cEc51J%40t520.axxite.internal. -- Dominique Chabord - SISalp Logiciel libre pour l'entreprise Tryton et open-source Odoo, OpenERP 18 avenue Beauregard 74960 Cran Gevrier 145A rue Alexandre Borrely 83000 Toulon tel(repondeur) +33(0)950274960 fax +33(0)955274960 mob +33(0)622616438 http://sisalp.fr http://openerp-online.fr https://twitter.com/SISalp l'actualité de vos services en temps réel. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "tryton" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tryton/CAHZrxK59g7BgcMVDUBtxL5q09ndQgpJAAqt%2BP_4Qs36F0CoY4w%40mail.gmail.com.
Re: [tryton] version du serveur incompatble - server version not compatible
Hi Armand, Am Dienstag, 4. Oktober 2016, 08:48:03 schrieb Armand Mpassy-Nzoumba: > On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 8:18 AM, Sergi Almacellas Abellana > wrote: > > Have you installed the tryton-sao package? > > Yes, I did. I used the OpenSuse official package. packaging the nodejs-stuff is a PITA I will look into this later. What you may try in between: - install sao from source, as described in /usr/share/doc/packages/trytond/tryton-server.README.SUSE - Cross check with the Live-CD for Leap (it comes with Sao as well) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "tryton" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tryton/122973313.p955cEc51J%40t520.axxite.internal.
Re: [tryton] version du serveur incompatble - server version not compatible
Dear Sergi, On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 8:18 AM, Sergi Almacellas Abellana wrote: > >> Have you installed the tryton-sao package? > Yes, I did. I used the OpenSuse official package. Cheers, Armand -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "tryton" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tryton/CAGb%2BB3eOpsBq-bxUnsH%3DjoyRa5C1wwP%2BQNcELh0%3DOSdsHWnZyA%40mail.gmail.com.
Re: [tryton] version du serveur incompatble - server version not compatible
El 04/10/16 a les 01:51, Armand Mpassy-Nzoumba ha escrit: When I compare the files to the tryton-sao installation under OpenSuse, it looks like a few files are missing. For exemple I don't see the index.html file. Otherwise, everything else is fine. Have you installed the tryton-sao package? -- Sergi Almacellas Abellana www.koolpi.com Twitter: @pokoli_srk -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "tryton" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tryton/a048bf65-c4c4-cce0-a43a-5cfe003811df%40koolpi.com.
