Re: Draft agenda for the IETF-87 TSV Area meeting uploaded
On 07/05/2013 09:24 AM, Jose Saldana wrote: Hi, Martin. Regarding the Online Games Tutorial, Mirko and I are adjusting the presentation in order to spend just 45 minutes. We have received some interesting suggestions after announcing it in the IETF87attendees mailing list. We think we will show and capture the traffic of 3 different games: - A UDP-based First person shooter - A UDP-based car racing game, including a 2-minutes car race in which some people in the room (and some remote ones) will be able to participate. - A TCP-based Massively Multiplayer Online Role Play Game (MMORPG) One question: the tutorial is scheduled at 10.35. It lasts 45 minutes. Should we understand that from 11.20 to 11.30 we will have some time for questions and answers? The 10 minutes are the end are reserved as buffer and you should not plan this for QA. Martin Thanks! Jose -Mensaje original- De: tsv-area-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:tsv-area-boun...@ietf.org] En nombre de Martin Stiemerling Enviado el: jueves, 04 de julio de 2013 8:48 Para: tsv-area@ietf.org Asunto: Draft agenda for the IETF-87 TSV Area meeting uploaded Hi, Here is the draft agenda for the IETF-87 TSV Area meeting: Transport Area Open Meeting (tsvarea) -- IETF-87 THURSDAY, August 1, 2013 09:00-11:30 Draft Agenda: 09:00 Note Well and agenda bashing (5 minutes) 09:05 TSV/NOMCOM (15 minutes) 09:20 MPTCP Update (30 minutes) 09:50 QUIC protocol introduction (45 minutes) -- tentative 10:35 Online Games Tutorial (45 minutes) The link to the current version: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/87/agenda/agenda-87-tsvarea Let Spencer and me know if you have something that should be on the agenda. Martin -- martin.stiemerl...@neclab.eu NEC Laboratories Europe NEC Europe Limited Registered Office: Athene, Odyssey Business Park, West End Road, London, HA4 6QE, GB Registered in England 2832014 -- martin.stiemerl...@neclab.eu NEC Laboratories Europe NEC Europe Limited Registered Office: Athene, Odyssey Business Park, West End Road, London, HA4 6QE, GB Registered in England 2832014
Re: Draft agenda for the IETF-87 TSV Area meeting uploaded
Hi Joe, On 07/05/2013 02:37 AM, Joe Touch wrote: A link to a draft would be useful. There is no draft but this is of interest to the transport community at large. And it is tentative right now as we do not know if there will be this presentation, i.e., waiting for the confirmation. A slot should not be granted if there isn't a draft. That's true for working groups, but area meetings should have the possibility to talk about topics that are not (yet) documented in an Internet draft. This has also been done in the past, e.g., at IETF-77 for the RTMFP protocol: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/77/slides/tsvarea-1.pdf Martin Joe On 7/4/2013 8:10 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: On Thu, 4 Jul 2013, ietfdbh wrote: Hi, What is QUIC? Is there a draft? https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RNHkx_VvKWyWg6Lr8SZ-saqsQx7rFV-ev2jRFUoVD34/preview?sle=true http://blog.chromium.org/2013/06/experimenting-with-quic.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QUIC -- martin.stiemerl...@neclab.eu NEC Laboratories Europe NEC Europe Limited Registered Office: Athene, Odyssey Business Park, West End Road, London, HA4 6QE, GB Registered in England 2832014
RE: Draft agenda for the IETF-87 TSV Area meeting uploaded
Joe's assertion is wrong. The IETF is not the place where new transport protocols are developed. Transport is recognised as an underresourced area; David Harrington's Thoughts from a past experimental Nomcom selection for TSV Area Director http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg77880.html discusses that, but did not at any point mention new protocols. The IETF has no time for them, as it's too busy maintaining and finetuning and documenting the existing ones. First deploy, then tell the IETF about it, and let the IETF put the documentation into the preferred 1970s ASCII format. draft-ietf-http-v10-spec-00 being the classic case in point, written up several years after global web domination. Setting up httpbis to tweak http, after spdy et al were developed outside the IETF and proven successful, is where the IETF is at - and httpbis isn't even in the transport area, despite http increasingly looking like a transport and protocol hourglass waist. The IETF should be grateful that Google wants to tell it about a new transport protocol that it has deployed worldwide. Demanding that it be written up as an internet-draft beforehand is unreasonable, and arguably a waste of effort. imho. Lloyd Wood http://sat-net.com/L.Wood/ From: tsv-area-boun...@ietf.org [tsv-area-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Joe Touch [to...@isi.edu] Sent: 05 July 2013 01:37 To: Mikael Abrahamsson Cc: tsv-area@ietf.org Subject: Re: Draft agenda for the IETF-87 TSV Area meeting uploaded A link to a draft would be useful. A slot should not be granted if there isn't a draft. Joe On 7/4/2013 8:10 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: On Thu, 4 Jul 2013, ietfdbh wrote: Hi, What is QUIC? Is there a draft? https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RNHkx_VvKWyWg6Lr8SZ-saqsQx7rFV-ev2jRFUoVD34/preview?sle=true http://blog.chromium.org/2013/06/experimenting-with-quic.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QUIC
