Joe's assertion is wrong.

The IETF is not the place where new transport protocols are developed. 
Transport is
recognised as an underresourced area; David Harrington's "Thoughts from a past
experimental Nomcom selection for TSV Area Director"
http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg77880.html
discusses that, but did not at any point mention new protocols. The IETF has no 
time
for them, as it's too busy maintaining and finetuning and documenting the 
existing ones.

First deploy, then tell the IETF about it, and let the IETF put the 
documentation into
the preferred 1970s ASCII format. draft-ietf-http-v10-spec-00 being the classic 
case
in point, written up several years after global web domination.

Setting up httpbis to tweak http, after spdy et al were developed outside the 
IETF
and proven successful, is where the IETF  is at - and httpbis isn't even in the 
transport
area, despite http increasingly looking like a transport and protocol hourglass 
waist.

The IETF should be grateful that Google wants to tell it about a new transport 
protocol
that it has deployed worldwide. Demanding that it be written up as an 
internet-draft
beforehand is unreasonable, and arguably a waste of effort.

imho.

Lloyd Wood
http://sat-net.com/L.Wood/


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From: tsv-area-boun...@ietf.org [tsv-area-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Joe 
Touch [to...@isi.edu]
Sent: 05 July 2013 01:37
To: Mikael Abrahamsson
Cc: tsv-area@ietf.org
Subject: Re: Draft agenda for the IETF-87 TSV Area meeting uploaded

A link to a draft would be useful.

A slot should not be granted if there isn't a draft.

Joe

On 7/4/2013 8:10 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
> On Thu, 4 Jul 2013, ietfdbh wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> What is QUIC? Is there a draft?
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RNHkx_VvKWyWg6Lr8SZ-saqsQx7rFV-ev2jRFUoVD34/preview?sle=true
>
> http://blog.chromium.org/2013/06/experimenting-with-quic.html
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QUIC
>

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