Re: [Tutor] Simple Question On A Method (in subclass)
On 10/25/2011 12:20 AM, Chris Kavanagh wrote:
On 10/24/2011 12:06 AM, Marc Tompkins wrote:
On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 8:08 PM, Chris Kavanagh cka...@msn.com
SNIP
My problem was, I wasn't seeing {member} as referring to the class
objects {t} and {s}. Since it was, we now can use member just like any
class object, and combine it with class functions (and class
variables), such as {member.tell}. I had never in my short programming
experience, seen an example like this. So I was confused, obviously, LOL.
In the context of:
t = Teacher('Mrs. Shrividya', 40, 3)
s = Student('Swaroop', 22, 75)
members = [t, s]
for member in members;
member.dosomething()
member does not refer to t and s at all. It refers to the same object
as t and as s, in succession. members is a list of references to
objects. Each item in members is bound to a particular object. It is
not bound in any way to s or t.
For example, suppose we did:
members = [t, s]
t = 42
for member in members:
member.dosomething()
member still references the object holding Mrs. Shrividya, or Swaroop,
in succession, even though t is now (bound to) an integer (object).
--
DaveA
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Re: [Tutor] Quacks like an object
On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 07:02:28PM -0400, Christopher King wrote: Dear Tutors, I am trying to make an object, which will appear exactly like an object of my choice. It will should be impossible to tell it is not the object. Can't be done in Python. The only way to make something absolutely indistinguishable from another thing is to actually make them the same thing. This is because I am making an object that modifies it methods so that if the methods make a change to the object, it will sync those changes to a file, but I don't want it to be another object, so foreign functions will not mistake for not being the object. Unfortunately, some functions are excessively finicky about their input. When writing a function, the author can: (1) Just Try It, and if it fails, deal with the failure. Dealing with the failure may mean do nothing, just let the exception happen, or it may mean catching the exception and do something else. (2) Check for an interface first, then perform the task, e.g.: if hasattr(obj, '__getitem__'): x = obj[i] (3) Check the type using isinstance, which supports subtypes: if isinstance(obj, list): x = obj[i] (4) Check for an exact type, which defeats subtyping: if type(obj) is list: x = obj[i] There is very little you can do with functions that take the last approach, except report it back to the author as a bug. For example if, I used type on the object, it should return the class of the object it is trying to mimic. I have tried everything from modifying the object's get set attribute methods, to having making a new object that has get and set the same as the object except with a filter for methods, but I had no luck. In a nutshell, I want an object that walks like another object, quacks like another object, and basically is another object. Is this possible? No. You have misunderstood duck typing. With duck typing, if your object swims like a duck and walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, who cares if it's actually a goose? The only way to make it exactly the same as a duck is if it actually is a duck. But you can get pretty close. The usual two approaches are: (A) Delegation. Something like this (untested): class Wrapper: def __init__(self, obj): self['_obj'] = obj def __getattr__(self, attr): return getattr(self._obj, attr) def __delattr__(self, attr): delattr(self._obj, attr) def __setattr__(self, attr, value): setattr(self._obj, attr, value) def spam(self, arg): # Save to a file somefile.write(whatever) self._obj.spam(arg) # Call the original. Delegation works really well for functions that don't use isinstance or type checking. (B) Inheritence. class MySpam(Spam): # Subclass of Spam that saves to a file. def spam(self, arg): somefile.write(whatever) super(MySpam, self).spam(arg) Does this help? -- Steven ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] string immutability
On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 12:56:56AM +0100, Alan Gauld wrote: On 24/10/11 20:52, Johan Martinez wrote: Finally I figured it out ( __length__() ) thanks to ipython shell env. len(x) gets converted to x.__length__() by Python. That's actually __len__ not __length__. [].__length__ Traceback (most recent call last): File stdin, line 1, in module AttributeError: 'list' object has no attribute '__length__' [].__len__ method-wrapper '__len__' of list object at 0xb7f27aac But personally I just use dir() and help() and Google... If you use dir() a lot, you might find this useful: http://code.activestate.com/recipes/54-enhancing-dir-with-globs/ -- Steven ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] What is wrong with my code?
I did it very much times, Anssi. Beyond of run it on Python 2.7 latest build, what do you suggest? Do install Python 3.2 along the Python 2.7 installation could give me any problems? cheers, Apometron http://about.me/apometron On 10/25/2011 6:11 AM, Anssi Saari wrote: apometronapometron.listas.ci...@gmail.com writes: Now it is another thing, entirely. Rename1.py and Rename2.py works, but why Rename3.py dont works? Well, Rename3.py works for me, even in Windows 7. Maybe you should test it again? ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] What is wrong with my code?
(Once again, please don't top-post. It makes your responses out of order) On 10/25/2011 04:24 AM, apometron wrote: I did it very much times, Anssi. Beyond of run it on Python 2.7 latest build, what do you suggest? Do install Python 3.2 along the Python 2.7 installation could give me any problems? Why don't you say publicly that you aren't using cmd ? If your file manager is not running the equivalent of python yourprogram.py filename.txt then everyone here is chasing a wild goose. Switch to the command line, issue a sequence of commands that cause the failure, and paste them in a message here. Then if it works, but doesn't from your file manager, you/we/they can address the differences from the working command line. -- DaveA ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] What is wrong with my code?
On 10/25/2011 7:34 AM, Dave Angel wrote: (Once again, please don't top-post. It makes your responses out of order) On 10/25/2011 04:24 AM, apometron wrote: I did it very much times, Anssi. Beyond of run it on Python 2.7 latest build, what do you suggest? Do install Python 3.2 along the Python 2.7 installation could give me any problems? Why don't you say publicly that you aren't using cmd ? If your file manager is not running the equivalent of python yourprogram.py filename.txt then everyone here is chasing a wild goose. Switch to the command line, issue a sequence of commands that cause the failure, and paste them in a message here. Then if it works, but doesn't from your file manager, you/we/they can address the differences from the working command line. I found out what it is. It is the File Commander giving wrong informations to the script. In Take Command command line it works sweet. I will show all this to the File Commander author and ask him some way to solve this. It turns out do the thing in command line every time is not best way. I need do it by the file manager. But the file manager was puting stones in the way. Take Command has a script language also, but I would like do the things in Python, if possible. And this difficulty with File Commander makes use Python a thing less easy to do. Question solved. It was not Take Command the problem and I was sure it was not. Enter in command line to do things is a pain. =( I mean, e-ve-ry ti-me. But then, good news, all the three scripts works smoothly in the command line. Do you believe drag and drop in the Windows Explorer can be my salvation? Cool thing to try. []s Apometron http://about.me/apometron ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] Simple Question On A Method (in subclass)
On 10/25/2011 3:50 AM, Dave Angel wrote:
On 10/25/2011 12:20 AM, Chris Kavanagh wrote:
On 10/24/2011 12:06 AM, Marc Tompkins wrote:
On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 8:08 PM, Chris Kavanagh cka...@msn.com
SNIP
My problem was, I wasn't seeing {member} as referring to the class
objects {t} and {s}. Since it was, we now can use member just like any
class object, and combine it with class functions (and class
variables), such as {member.tell}. I had never in my short programming
experience, seen an example like this. So I was confused, obviously, LOL.
In the context of:
t = Teacher('Mrs. Shrividya', 40, 3)
s = Student('Swaroop', 22, 75)
members = [t, s]
for member in members;
member.dosomething()
member does not refer to t and s at all. It refers to the same object as
t and as s, in succession. members is a list of references to objects.
Each item in members is bound to a particular object. It is not bound in
any way to s or t.
For example, suppose we did:
members = [t, s]
t = 42
for member in members:
member.dosomething()
member still references the object holding Mrs. Shrividya, or Swaroop,
in succession, even though t is now (bound to) an integer (object).
I understand. . .Thanks for clearing that up for me Dave.
So much to learn, so little time! LOL.
Thanks again to everyone, it's much appreciated.
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[Tutor] printing a key not a value
if i have a dictionary called definitions is there a way of printing the keys and not the values that go with them? thanks so much Adrian___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] printing a key not a value
Sure,
mydict = {'a':1, 'b',2}
for key in mydict:
print key
Hope this helps,
Bodsda
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Re: [Tutor] printing a key not a value
definitions =
{'name':'dipo','food':'spaghetti','age':30,'location':'lagos'}
definitions.keys()
['food', 'age', 'name', 'location']
definitions.values()
['spaghetti', 30, 'dipo', 'lagos']
You can do this to get what you want.
Hope it helps.
On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 2:54 PM, bod...@googlemail.com wrote:
Sure,
mydict = {'a':1, 'b',2}
for key in mydict:
print key
Hope this helps,
Bodsda
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Re: [Tutor] printing a key not a value
On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 9:45 AM, ADRIAN KELLY kellyadr...@hotmail.comwrote:
if i have a dictionary called definitions is there a way of printing the
keys and not the values that go with them?
thanks so much
Adrian
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The python.org documentation is a good place to learn about dictionaries.
http://docs.python.org/library/stdtypes.html#mapping-types-dict
As it turns out, you can iterate over the keys of a dictionary:
definitions = {'k1':'k1 value', 'k2': 'k2 value'}
for k in definitions:
... print k
...
k2
k1
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Re: [Tutor] regex and parsing through a semi-csv file
f = open(args.fname, 'r') lines = f.readlines() f.close() If you are using Python 2.6+ you can use a context manager to automatically close the file. That way you never have to worry about closing any files! with open(args.fname, 'r') as f: lines = f.readlines() Ramit Ramit Prasad | JPMorgan Chase Investment Bank | Currencies Technology 712 Main Street | Houston, TX 77002 work phone: 713 - 216 - 5423 -- This email is confidential and subject to important disclaimers and conditions including on offers for the purchase or sale of securities, accuracy and completeness of information, viruses, confidentiality, legal privilege, and legal entity disclaimers, available at http://www.jpmorgan.com/pages/disclosures/email. ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] regex and parsing through a semi-csv file
Thank you Ramit. I updated my code since I am running 2.7.1+ on Ubuntu. Best wishes, Mina On 11-10-25 08:02 AM, Prasad, Ramit wrote: f = open(args.fname, 'r') lines = f.readlines() f.close() If you are using Python 2.6+ you can use a context manager to automatically close the file. That way you never have to worry about closing any files! with open(args.fname, 'r') as f: lines = f.readlines() Ramit Ramit Prasad | JPMorgan Chase Investment Bank | Currencies Technology 712 Main Street | Houston, TX 77002 work phone: 713 - 216 - 5423 -- This email is confidential and subject to important disclaimers and conditions including on offers for the purchase or sale of securities, accuracy and completeness of information, viruses, confidentiality, legal privilege, and legal entity disclaimers, available at http://www.jpmorgan.com/pages/disclosures/email. ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] Simple Question On A Method (in subclass)
On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 5:31 AM, Chris Kavanagh cka...@msn.com wrote:
On 10/25/2011 3:50 AM, Dave Angel wrote:
On 10/25/2011 12:20 AM, Chris Kavanagh wrote:
On 10/24/2011 12:06 AM, Marc Tompkins wrote:
On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 8:08 PM, Chris Kavanagh cka...@msn.com
SNIP
My problem was, I wasn't seeing {member} as referring to the class
objects {t} and {s}. Since it was, we now can use member just like any
class object, and combine it with class functions (and class
variables), such as {member.tell}. I had never in my short programming
experience, seen an example like this. So I was confused, obviously, LOL.
In the context of:
t = Teacher('Mrs. Shrividya', 40, 3)
s = Student('Swaroop', 22, 75)
members = [t, s]
for member in members;
member.dosomething()
member does not refer to t and s at all. It refers to the same object as
t and as s, in succession. members is a list of references to objects.
Each item in members is bound to a particular object. It is not bound in
any way to s or t.
For example, suppose we did:
members = [t, s]
t = 42
for member in members:
member.dosomething()
member still references the object holding Mrs. Shrividya, or Swaroop,
in succession, even though t is now (bound to) an integer (object).
I understand. . .Thanks for clearing that up for me Dave.
So much to learn, so little time! LOL.
Thanks again to everyone, it's much appreciated.
It can be a little hard to wrap your head around how Python handles
variables/objects; in other languages you create a variable and assign a
value to it, while in Python you create an object and assign a name to it -
the name can change while the object remains unchanged. Here's a very
simplified demo of what Dave is talking about:
t = This
s = That
members = [t, s]
print members
['This', 'That']
s = The other
print members
['This', 'That']
In other words, members is NOT a list of t and s - it's a list of the
objects that t and s pointed to AT THE MOMENT you created members.
You can re-assign t and s to other objects, but the objects that are
members of members remain unchanged until you manipulate them directly:
members[0] = Something else entirely
print members
['Something else entirely', 'That']
print t, s
This The other
It's extremely logical, but almost entirely backward from the way most other
languages do things. Possibly it's because Guido is Dutch.
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