Re: [Tutor] Set Reply-To field to Tutor@python.org
On 29 January 2013 03:35, DoanVietTrungAtGmail doanviettr...@gmail.com wrote: As a student user of this list, I prefer leaving the Reply-To field unchanged. I like the fact that this means a deliberate decision is required to send public emails. If you don't mind my asking, do you send many off-list messages as replies to on-list ones? I see the mailing list as being fundamentally a public message forum and only very occasionally send an off-list message. Usually the reason that I do this is because someone else has sent me a message off-list and even though I'm fairly sure they meant it to be on-list I don't want to assume that they did by replying back to the list. Often this means that the archives are incomplete, so that there is a thread but the part of the thread where the OP says Thanks, this is the solution that worked or Sorry, that's not what I meant. My actual problem is... is missing. Not having this information on the list is unhelpful. It is unhelpful for people reading the archives in the future, for people who keep replying to a thread that is essentially solved, and for people who offer suggestions and don't get feedback on whether their suggestions were useful. Of course if the message is deliberately sent off-list then that is fine but I find that I send/receive many more accidentally off-list messages than deliberate ones. It's hard to predict how often the alternative, accidentally sending a private message to the list, would occur. Although judging from other lists where reply-to-list is the default I would say not very often. I don't find that replying to the list is a deliberate decision to engage in public conversation since the fact that I read and respond to the list at all is because I have already made that decision. For me at least, it is replying off-list that requires explicit consideration. Oscar ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] Set Reply-To field to Tutor@python.org
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 9:12 PM, Oscar Benjamin oscar.j.benja...@gmail.comwrote: If you don't mind my asking, do you send many off-list messages as replies to on-list ones? Oscar For this list, I have sent 1 public reply and 2 private replies (to thank individual tutors). Both numbers are too small to have any significance. Reading the Chip Rosenthal article that Steven referred to, I thought that in the case of this Tutor list, his arguments are neither here nor there. It probably comes down to personal preference, and that's why I stated mine. The reason for my personal preference is that for other lists, I am frequently annoyed by private-reply emails landing in my inbox, and sometimes I absent-mindedly do the same thing, thus annoying others. For most lists, group-reply ought to be deliberate. For a few lists it doesn't matter either way. What if, as Oscar seems to say, this Tutor list is in a category where private-reply ought to be deliberate? Most people would only form 1 habit for all lists, rather than 1 for each of the several lists they participate in. If so, I think the habit of deliberate public-reply would serve us better in terms of etiquette. Trung ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] Set Reply-To field to Tutor@python.org
El 29/01/2013, a las 04:14 a.m., Oscar Benjamin oscar.j.benja...@gmail.com escribió: I see the mailing list as being fundamentally a public message forum and only very occasionally send an off-list message. Often this means that the archives are incomplete, so that there is a thread but the part of the thread where the OP says Thanks, this is the solution that worked or Sorry, that's not what I meant. My actual problem is... is missing. Not having this information on the list is unhelpful. It is unhelpful for people reading the archives in the future, for people who keep replying to a thread that is essentially solved, and for people who offer suggestions and don't get feedback on whether their suggestions were useful. For me at least, it is replying off-list that requires explicit consideration. The fact of giving and receiving help by a public mean, and having this help available to others as well, complete in the archives, it's for me enough reason to give +1 to set reply-to field to tutor address. If I am reading something which comes from a mailing list then I think the most proper way to reply would be to send an answer to all the people which originally received the same message. That way, I can avoid duplicate answers, even better this conduct can lead to additional complementary answers because someone can construct on previous partial solutions/suggestions. But this needs all answers are available to everyone. This is my opinion. I hope my writing is understandable. -- Jonatan G ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] Set Reply-To field to Tutor@python.org
Oscar Benjamin oscar.j.benja...@gmail.com writes: I have both sent and received messages on this list that went off-list by mistake. It's an easy mistake to make that you use reply instead of reply-all and then the message goes just to one person instead of the whole list. This problem is not unique to the python-tutor. I see it happening often on other mailing lists (often it's noticeable by the fact that someone forwards an off-list message back to the list which can sometimes break the threading of email software). One particular list that I receive has recently made an administrative change so that, from now on, all emails have the Reply-To header set to the list address. This means that the default behaviour when replying to a message is that the reply goes to the list. I think that this is the right thing to do by default since replying off-list is much less common and more likely to be something that you are consciously aware of when you do it. The change seems to have gone down well on the other list so I wondered: could it be done for this list as well? To summarize existing opinions on this matter: http://marc.merlins.org/netrants/listreplyto.html You might want to familiarize yourself with existing literature on the matter before starting a new flame war. -- regards, kushal ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] Help!
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 10:22 PM, Ghadir Ghasemi
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Hi guys I wanted to make a program called Binary/decimal converter.
That’s easy, int('11', 2) and bin(3) should be enough.
But I want to do it the hard way e.g. not using built in python functions.
Can you give me an idea about how I can do that?
Are you crazy or is it an assignment? Write code according to this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_number#Conversion_to_and_from_other_numeral_systems
(or other methods you can find on the Internet or in math textbooks).
Alternatively, you can find out how it is done in other programming
languages or even Python itself. And use that.
PS. actually, it is impossible to do it in plain Python without using
built-in functions. Because multiplication, division and
exponentiation and whatnot are built-ins.
OP, please tell your mail provider that it shouldn’t filter
swearwords, and even if it does, that it shouldn’t inform me of that.
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Re: [Tutor] Set Reply-To field to Tutor@python.org
To summarize existing opinions on this matter: http://marc.merlins.org/netrants/listreplyto.html You might want to familiarize yourself with existing literature on the matter before starting a new flame war. Hmmm... False alarm? Page blocked The page you've been trying to access was blocked. Reason: Access Denied! The requested URL is a Spyware site. Transaction ID is 5107F01CFF920603D57F. ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] automate add-to-cart with python
A direct approach would probably use the webdriver API to automate the browser. Selenium has one: I decided to use Selenium. It may be overkill for this particular problem, but I'll want to use it for other things. This is my first time trying to install a new module to Python. I've been working on it all morning with no success. I'm on Mac OSX and I downloaded : selenium-2.29.0.tar.gz and then opened it to get: selenium-2.29.0 In the README file, it said for installing to Python, to type: pip install -U selenium So in terminal, I went to: cd /Users/bfishbein/Downloads/selenium-2.29.0 and typed: pip install -U selenium I got: -bash: pip: command not found so I tried downloading pip After downloading pip, I tried to install it: cd /Applications/pip-1.2.1 install pip I got this strange message: usage: install [-bCcpSsv] [-B suffix] [-f flags] [-g group] [-m mode] [-o owner] file1 file2 install [-bCcpSsv] [-B suffix] [-f flags] [-g group] [-m mode] [-o owner] file1 ... fileN directory install -d [-v] [-g group] [-m mode] [-o owner] directory ... Benjamins-MacBook-Air:pip-1.2.1 bfishbein$ Apparently it didn't install. Do you know what I'm doing wrong? Any help would be appreciated. I didn't expect it to be so tough to install a python module. Ben ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] automate add-to-cart with python
After downloading pip, I tried to install it: cd /Applications/pip-1.2.1 install pip I got this strange message: usage: install [-bCcpSsv] [-B suffix] [-f flags] [-g group] [-m mode] [-o owner] file1 file2 install [-bCcpSsv] [-B suffix] [-f flags] [-g group] [-m mode] [-o owner] file1 ... fileN directory install -d [-v] [-g group] [-m mode] [-o owner] directory ... Benjamins-MacBook-Air:pip-1.2.1 bfishbein$ Apparently it didn't install. Do you know what I'm doing wrong? Any help would be appreciated. I didn't expect it to be so tough to install a python module. Technically, this is not pure Python code; expect some friction here due to the different levels of technologies being interconnected. I've been out of the Python development community for a very long time, so hopefully someone else will help correct me. I believe pip, a Python package installer, should be installed by following the instructions in: http://www.pip-installer.org/en/latest/installing.html Have you looked at this yet? The error message you're seeing is conceptually due to the assumption that install is a universal thing. It's not. install in the context of the command line is something else entirely separate from Python: it's a command to install BSD binary utilities. ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] Set Reply-To field to Tutor@python.org
My personal opinion (with whatever limited weight that has on this list since I've only answered a few questions - and probably half of them I've accidentally only sent to the op)/how I read it is that RFC 2822 actually allows lists to set reply-to header; by my view the list software is forwarding to everyone else and therefor counts as the most recent sender/author. I admit that that is a somewhat different conclusion to others that I've read as to the meaning of 2822, but that seems logical to me and also my personal preference is for having the reply-to header be set to the list address. Nick On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 7:44 AM, Albert-Jan Roskam fo...@yahoo.com wrote: To summarize existing opinions on this matter: http://marc.merlins.org/netrants/listreplyto.html You might want to familiarize yourself with existing literature on the matter before starting a new flame war. Hmmm... False alarm? Page blocked The page you've been trying to access was blocked. Reason: Access Denied! The requested URL is a Spyware site. Transaction ID is 5107F01CFF920603D57F. ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] automate add-to-cart with python
Benjamin Fishbein wrote: A direct approach would probably use the webdriver API to automate the browser. Selenium has one: I decided to use Selenium. It may be overkill for this particular problem, but I'll want to use it for other things. This is my first time trying to install a new module to Python. I've been working on it all morning with no success. I'm on Mac OSX and I downloaded : selenium-2.29.0.tar.gz and then opened it to get: selenium-2.29.0 In the README file, it said for installing to Python, to type: pip install -U selenium So in terminal, I went to: cd /Users/bfishbein/Downloads/selenium-2.29.0 Looks like you are on OS X. You can (probably) install pip from MacPorts or HomeBrew (which can also properly install alternative versions of Python without messing up the system installed version). Not that these are necessary, but they are helpful. Keep them in mind for the future, especially if you test with multiple versions of Python on the same machine. and typed: pip install -U selenium I got: -bash: pip: command not found so I tried downloading pip After downloading pip, I tried to install it: cd /Applications/pip-1.2.1 install pip I got this strange message: usage: install [-bCcpSsv] [-B suffix] [-f flags] [-g group] [-m mode] [-o owner] file1 file2 install [-bCcpSsv] [-B suffix] [-f flags] [-g group] [-m mode] [-o owner] file1 ... fileN directory install -d [-v] [-g group] [-m mode] [-o owner] directory ... Benjamins-MacBook-Air:pip-1.2.1 bfishbein$ Apparently it didn't install. Do you know what I'm doing wrong? Any help would be appreciated. I didn't expect it to be so tough to install a python module. Normally you want to do `python setup.py install` when manually installing (or similar). I think you should follow the pip install directions here: http://www.pip-installer.org/en/latest/installing.html You need to install distribute or setuptools (use the source installation directions for manually installing), but I believe the install script for pip (not get-pip.py) will install the dependencies for you. All of this will install to the global python install which is not always desireable or even recommended. I would highly recommend installing virtual env ( http://www.virtualenv.org/en/latest/ ). This will let you install and try modules without contaminating your global install. ~Ramit This email is confidential and subject to important disclaimers and conditions including on offers for the purchase or sale of securities, accuracy and completeness of information, viruses, confidentiality, legal privilege, and legal entity disclaimers, available at http://www.jpmorgan.com/pages/disclosures/email. ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] automate add-to-cart with python
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 6:32 PM, Alan Gauld alan.ga...@btinternet.com wrote: On 28/01/13 22:51, Benjamin Fishbein wrote: In general, despite scouring the Internet, I haven't been able to figure out how to get Python to cause javascripts I find in the html to be run. That's because Javascript is run in the browser which has a Javascript interpreter built in. Python doesn't have a Javascript interpreter so can't run Javascript. But that's usually the wrong thing to do anyway so it doesn't matter. What you need to do is figure out what the Javascript is doing - usually sending some data to a server - and replicate that. Alternatively fire up a real browser and drive that with automation. How you do that will largely depend on the browser and the OS. Or maybe, just maybe, somebody has written a javascript interpreter in Python as a module that you can import. It sounds just about crazy enough that it might even exist! But as I said, that's probably the wrong thing to do... The other way around does exists, python in your web browser: http://brython.info Did a quick iPhone web app that way and demoed it to our local Python group last night: http://raspberry-python.blogspot.com/2013/01/iphone-app-with-python.html You could easily extend this concept where your python script server side controls your python script client side through reverse Ajax. And of course it's also possible to do the whole thing client side, without a server. Works on all modern browsers too. François -- www.pyptug.org - raspberry-python.blogspot.com - @f_dion ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] HELP- Regarding working with python
Hi all...! I don't know how to import our own data sets in python. its always importing the in built data sets. could you just tell me how to do that...! Thanks...! On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Steven D'Aprano st...@pearwood.infowrote: On 28/01/13 18:26, Gayathri S wrote: Hi all..! wanna know how to compile python script in python command line, and is there any need for setting path for python like JAVA? whats the difference between .py file and .pyc file? Python is a byte-code compiled language, like Java many years ago. Normally to compile a python module, you just import it from within Python. That is not very convenient for scripts, so from the shell (bash, command.com, cmd.exe, or similar) you can run python -m compileall NAME NAME ... to compile scripts. You do not necessarily need to set the PYTHONPATH, but you can if you need to. .py files are source code. .pyc are compiled byte code. .pyo are compiled byte code with optimization turned on. Don't get too excited, the standard Python optimization doesn't do very much. -- Steven __**_ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: http://mail.python.org/**mailman/listinfo/tutorhttp://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor -- Keep Smiling. Regards Gayu ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] automate add-to-cart with python
http://www.pip-installer.org/en/latest/installing.html I went to this pip site. It told me to install virtualenv. http://www.virtualenv.org/en/latest/#installation The virtualenv site told me: You can install virtualenv with pip install virtualenv, or the latest development version with pip install https://github.com/pypa/virtualenv/tarball/develop. But since I didn't yet have pip, I couldn't use it to install virtualenv. Then it said: You can also use easy_install, or if you have no Python package manager available at all, you can just grab the single file virtualenv.py and run it with pythonvirtualenv.py. I don't have easy_install. When I tried to download easy_install, it came in an EGG format that I couldn't open despite downloading several opener apps. I tried this page: https://raw.github.com/pypa/virtualenv/master/virtualenv.py I think this is what I'll have to use for installing virtualenv, but I have not idea what to do with it. I cut and pasted into a python file, then ran it in IDLE. When I ran main(), it returned the error: Traceback (most recent call last): File pyshell#8, line 1, in module virtual_1.main() File /Users/bfishbein/Documents/virtual_1.py, line 935, in main sys.exit(2) SystemExit: 2 I don't have much experience with command prompt interfaces which I think is causing most of my trouble. There's probably something simple I'm missing, like a semicolon or quotes. Please help if you can. Thank you, Ben ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
[Tutor] how to import our own data sets
This seems to be a new subject. Please start a new email and give it a new and relevant subject. Otherwise your post gets mixed up with older and not relevant posts. On 1/30/2013 12:18 AM, Gayathri S wrote: Hi all...! I don't know how to import our own data sets in python. its always importing the in built data sets. could you just tell me how to do that...! Perhaps someone else understands your question. I have no idea what you want. What are data sets? What do you mean by built data sets? What do you mean by import? Python uses import to load modules. What are you trying to do? -- Bob Gailer 919-636-4239 Chapel Hill NC ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] automate add-to-cart with python
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 9:19 PM, Benjamin Fishbein bfishbei...@gmail.comwrote:Then it said: You can also use easy_install, or if you have no Python package manager available at all, you can just grab the single file virtualenv.pyhttps://raw.github.com/pypa/virtualenv/master/virtualenv.py and run it with pythonvirtualenv.py. I'm pretty sure that's a typo. It should say: python virtualenv.py In general, to run a Python script, the simplest (and most usually-expected) way is to start a command prompt (a.k.a. terminal session) and simply type the word python, followed by the name of the script. IDLE is meant for convenient editing and running - and it's very far from the best tool even for that - but it is definitely NOT recommended as a way to run production code; it introduces too much extraneous junk into the Python environment. ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
[Tutor] HELP-Regarding python
Hi All! I don't know how to read text file in python. If the data values are stored in a text file format, for example(1,30,60,90,120...200) means what i would do for reading it in python. could you just explain it. Thanks! Keep Smiling.[?] Regards Gayu[?] 335.png___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] HELP-Regarding python
On 01/30/2013 01:51 AM, Gayathri S wrote: Hi All! I don't know how to read text file in python. If the data values are stored in a text file format, for example(1,30,60,90,120...200) means what i would do for reading it in python. could you just explain it. infile = open(filename, rt)will open a text file line = infile.readline()will read one line from it, as a str After that, you can parse it anyway you like. -- DaveA ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] HELP-Regarding python
A safer approach would be - with open(filepath, mode as filehandle: indent//operation with the file. This way, you do not have to remember to close the file explicitly. On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Dave Angel da...@davea.name wrote: On 01/30/2013 01:51 AM, Gayathri S wrote: Hi All! I don't know how to read text file in python. If the data values are stored in a text file format, for example(1,30,60,90,120...200) means what i would do for reading it in python. could you just explain it. infile = open(filename, rt)will open a text file line = infile.readline()will read one line from it, as a str After that, you can parse it anyway you like. -- DaveA __**_ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: http://mail.python.org/**mailman/listinfo/tutorhttp://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor -- http://spawgi.wordpress.com We can do it and do it better. ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] HELP-Regarding python
missed a parenthesis, it should look like - with open(filepath, mode) as filehandle: indent//operation with the file. On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 12:31 PM, spa...@gmail.com wrote: A safer approach would be - with open(filepath, mode as filehandle: indent//operation with the file. This way, you do not have to remember to close the file explicitly. On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Dave Angel da...@davea.name wrote: On 01/30/2013 01:51 AM, Gayathri S wrote: Hi All! I don't know how to read text file in python. If the data values are stored in a text file format, for example(1,30,60,90,120...200) means what i would do for reading it in python. could you just explain it. infile = open(filename, rt)will open a text file line = infile.readline()will read one line from it, as a str After that, you can parse it anyway you like. -- DaveA __**_ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: http://mail.python.org/**mailman/listinfo/tutorhttp://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor -- http://spawgi.wordpress.com We can do it and do it better. -- http://spawgi.wordpress.com We can do it and do it better. ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
