Re: [Tutor] Help

2015-07-24 Thread Alan Gauld

On 24/07/15 17:37, abhijeet...@yahoo.in wrote:

I wanted to develop any application for my college project using python.


OK, That is easy enough, what kind of application do you have in mind? 
An office tool? A game? A web site? There are lots of possibilities.



I have the basic of the language and wanted to develop any

> real time software or application .

Real Time software is extremely hard to write well in any language.
And genuine real-time is almost impossible in Python (and most
other interpreted languages). Pseudo Real-Time is perhaps do-able.
What do you mean by real-time? Do you have an example?
Controlling some hardware for example? (How fast does the
hardware respond - seconds, milliseconds, microseconds, less?)
Then we can decide whether Python is even worth considering.
(Even if it isn't suitable for the real-time bits it may be fine
for other parts of the application such as the user interface)

Or maybe you are using real-time to mean something different
to that? In which case the opportunities may be greater. For
example if you just mean something that responds to user
commands while the user waits (like a word processor say)
then its a very different story.


I am not getting any help or idea you know i am just getting

> a little unsure java is popular and my college classmates
> are using java.

I normally wouldn't consider Java good for real real-time
either, but it is way better than Python for that. But there
are many other options too.

Can you fill us in a bit more on your background - other programming 
skills? project ideas? OS and hardware you are using? timescale 
available? Budget, if applicable. Anything of that sort will help.


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[Tutor] Help

2015-07-24 Thread Claudia Angle
I installed python but I am unable to decompress the pyserial library. I
need a free and safe program as it is my school comuter. I am using the
irobot Create (Roomba ).
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Re: [Tutor] Help

2015-07-24 Thread Mark Lawrence

On 24/07/2015 17:37, abhijeet...@yahoo.in wrote:

Dear Pythonist I wanted to develop any application for my college project using 
python .I have the basic of the language and wanted to develop any real time 
software or application .I am not getting any help or idea you know i am just 
getting a little unsure java is popular and my college classmates are using 
java .I don't know please help me out from this situation?


You will not want to be writing real time software in Python, unless 
it's the control system for the steering system on a super tanker.  This 
is very much the domain of languages like C, C++ or Java.  There may be 
other more modern languages but I don't follow too closely so you'll 
have to do further research.  Here's a starter anyway 
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/697916/what-languages-are-used-for-real-time-systems-programming. 
 And I've just remembered http://www.erlang.org/


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My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask
what you can do for our language.

Mark Lawrence

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[Tutor] Help

2015-07-24 Thread abhijeet560
Dear Pythonist I wanted to develop any application for my college project using 
python .I have the basic of the language and wanted to develop any real time 
software or application .I am not getting any help or idea you know i am just 
getting a little unsure java is popular and my college classmates are using 
java .I don't know please help me out from this situation?
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Re: [Tutor] Identifying V3 examples

2015-07-24 Thread Jon Paris

On Jul 23, 2015, at 8:23 PM, Alan Gauld  wrote:

> On 23/07/15 20:10, Jon Paris wrote:
> 
>> Anyway - thanks again. You’re the first “friendly face” I’ve encountered 
>> here.
> 
> Hi Jon, that slightly worries me as list moderator.
> 
> Can you explain what you mean (off list if you prefer).
> You received many answers to your original query and
> none of them seemed unfriendly to me?

And I think the fact it didn’t seem unfriendly to you sums up the problem Alan. 

I came asking what I thought was a simple question. What I got for the most 
part was (I felt) somewhat patronizing and subsequently treated me like an 
idiot for not knowing the local etiquette. That’s certainly the way it seemed 
to me. This to me just seems to be something that happens more on the 
Unix/Linux oriented lists of this world which are not, as I said before, my 
natural habitat.

> Mark commented on the top posting but even that was
> a polite request advising you of the list etiquette.
> It didn't seem particularly unfriendly?

Again it may not have seemed unfriendly to you - but it did to me. Polite? Yes 
- but total overkill. Wouldn’t a simple “The preference for this list is to 
either embed your responses in the original message or to put your response at 
the end of the original.” and a link to the guidelines have been enough?

> We do try to make the tutor list a safe place to learn
> and ask questions, for beginners of every level and
> background. (Although your comment about Python being
> slightly Unixy-geek oriented is true enough, as it
> is for most non MS specific programming languages.)

My background is not MS. I’m from the IBM i midrange world. All I can say is 
that when I first got into PHP some years ago I found the community a little 
friendlier - and that was on lists that did not purport to be for newbies.

I’m sure this list does a great job and hopefully if I have to come back again 
I’ll feel better about it. Right now my entire experience (excluding Laura who 
went above and beyond to be helpful) left me feeling like an ignorant child who 
has been chastised for not following rules he did not know about.

Anyway I’ve wasted more than enough of my and your time on this - I will try to 
be better behaved in the future.

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> Alan G
> Author of the Learn to Program web site
> http://www.alan-g.me.uk/
> http://www.amazon.com/author/alan_gauld
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> http://www.flickr.com/photos/alangauldphotos
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