Re: [Tutor] New to Python and Linux
* Armand Nell (Wed, 26 Sep 2007 08:07:12 +0200) I am new to python programming and also the linux enviroment most of my skills are windows based and programming skills is visual basics. I decided that it would be a great start and new direction for me to learn python and at the same time linux. However I have already run into a wall, and any help would be appreciated even if you can direct me where to find the info or 'turor'. [...] In windows, if i write a program in Python and save it I then can simply double click the icon and the program will execute in a console window. Now under Fedoracore I write my program in gedit save it in my \home\(username)\python directory, when I double click it, it opens up agian in gedit. Now true it is maybe a simple error from me but mostly it is me that don't know how to work with python on linux. I would like to know how do I test(run) the programs I write under fedoracore? It's exactly the same as with with Visual Basic (visual basics? Are you sure you have experience in that language?) and Windows: run it in a command window (like python myscript.py) or associate the file type (.py) with the program. How you do that depends on your desktop environment (KDE or Gnome probably) but it shouldn't take you more than ten seconds to find out how to do it. Thorsten ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] New to Python and Linux
* Thorsten Kampe (Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:09:24 +0100) It's exactly the same as with with Visual Basic [...] Guess I mixed that up with VBScript... ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] New to Python and Linux
Somewhere in the start menu, you'll be able to open a terminal. It might be called GTerm, Gnome Term, xterm, or any number of things with term in the name. Once you've done that, you need to see if python is in your path. Do that by typing python in the terminal. If you enter the python shell, you're in luck.exit out (Ctrl-Z return, probably), If not, you need to install/find python and add it to your path by typing export PATHTOPY=/usr/bin/python #I don't know where python is for you...this is just a guess export PATH=$PATH:$PYTHTOPY If you google bashrc, you'll learn how to make it so you don't have to type this every time. Now, you should be able to type cd python in a terminal you broght up. This will change into the python directory you said you made in your home dir. Now type ls. That should show you a list of files in the directory. If there is a python file there, say, named foo.py, then you'd type python foo.py to run the application. You can also set python up as the default app when you click a .py ext file. I dislike this, then again, on windows, that's exactly how I have it setup (while not in windows). To change this to match the windows behavior, you need to right click on the .py file, and pray that you see an Open with option. If you don't, ask for help on a Gnome mailing list :o). If you do see the Open with option, select it, then select other, then using the folder on the command line, browse to your python executable. I don't know where it is. If you open up a terminal and type: which python that *may* show you where it is. -- Michael Langford Phone: 404-386-0495 Consulting: http://www.TierOneDesign.com/ Entertaining: http://www.ThisIsYourCruiseDirectorSpeaking.com On 9/26/07, Armand Nell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi I am new to python programming and also the linux enviroment most of my skills are windows based and programming skills is visual basics. I decided that it would be a great start and new direction for me to learn python and at the same time linux. However I have already run into a wall, and any help would be appreciated even if you can direct me where to find the info or 'turor'. I am running Fedoracore 7 and Python 2.5 In windows, if i write a program in Python and save it I then can simply double click the icon and the program will execute in a console window. Now under Fedoracore I write my program in gedit save it in my \home\(username)\python directory, when I double click it, it opens up agian in gedit. Now true it is maybe a simple error from me but mostly it is me that don't know how to work with python on linux. I would like to know how do I test(run) the programs I write under fedoracore? Simple yet challanging for me, Your patience and wisdom on this subject will be greatly appreciated. Regards Digitalhobo ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] New to Python and Linux
Hi, Another way to execute your program is to open up your file with gedit, and on the very first line type (sans quotes) #!/usr/bin/env python by itself and save it. Then, go to the terminal like Michael said, and cd into the directory with your file. Type chmod 0700 your-program.py at the prompt. This allows you to execute your program without invoking python first. That way when you are cd'ed into the directory that contains your program, you can type ./your-program.py at the prompt, and it should run. If you're going to switch to linux, then you'll need to learn how to make the most of your CLI. I'd suggest googling for tutorials on the linux command line. Jason ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] New to Python and Linux
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Well, chmod 0700 is usually not want you want: a) 0700 gives only read/write/execute rights to the user. Technically for historical reason permissions can be written as an octal number, with the first digit being optional, encoding stuff like setuid/setgid permissions. The last 3 digits code permissions for user, group and other, one octal digit each. 4 is read, 2 is write and 1 is execute. We aware that on directories execute permission allows you to access/search the directory, while read allows you to read (==list) the directory. So a typical permission for scripts would be 755 (read/exec for all, write on top of that for the owner), or 775 (on distributions that give each user their own primary group). b) Specifying permissions as octal numbers is not really necessary nowadays (and has not been necessary for over a decade, at least on Linux): chmod a+x = add eXecute rights to All. chmod u=rwx,og=rx = set 755 Andreas Jason M Barnes wrote: Hi, Another way to execute your program is to open up your file with gedit, and on the very first line type (sans quotes) #!/usr/bin/env python by itself and save it. Then, go to the terminal like Michael said, and cd into the directory with your file. Type chmod 0700 your-program.py at the prompt. This allows you to execute your program without invoking python first. That way when you are cd'ed into the directory that contains your program, you can type ./your-program.py at the prompt, and it should run. If you're going to switch to linux, then you'll need to learn how to make the most of your CLI. I'd suggest googling for tutorials on the linux command line. Jason ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFG+gnyHJdudm4KnO0RAgyXAJ9YGKU2OU9p2pnG4YyS15ZLwzj8vACfRAQD H7jawyovWfkd9fEm36MfBBs= =FquY -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] New to Python and Linux
Greetings, I don't know how to do ms-windows, but I use GNU/Linux on a daily basis. There is a nice IDE (Integrated Development Environment) for Python called IDLE. It is available for ms-windows, GNU/Linux, and maybe another OS as well. There is information about IDLE at Python.Org. I'd suggest that you Check It Out. If it isn't already installed on your FedoraCore distro, you'll have to download it. http://www.python.org/idle/ IDLE has a shell, an editor, a debugger, and all sorts of bells and whistles. What you'll find out about GNU/Linux is: it isn't very difficult at all. you're just unfamiliar with it. The unfamiliarity makes it seem difficult. =) It's actually easier to use than ms-windows, once you become familiar with it, much easier. You should see me trying to do anything on a ms-windows computer... it seems so braindead to me, I flop around like a fish out of water because I'm not familiar with it. Okay, enuff of that. (That was my version of encouragement. =) I use vim. vim is vi improved. vi (pronounced vee-eye) is the 'vi'sual editor. There is some version of vi on just about every *nix box out there. vi has been around since almost the very beginning of creation. (the beginning of creation is counted from 1970-01-01 or thereabouts... The vi editor was developed starting around 1976 by Bill Joy, who was then a graduate student at the University of California at Berkeley. ... ) So, why vim, and not an easier editor, like pico or nano, or a swiss-army-editor like emacs, or a GUI editor like Gedit, or Nedit, or Kate, or Kwrite? pico and nano are extremely limited. Yeah, they're easy: too easy! You can't really do anything serious with them. Your favorite GUI editor might not be available. I once watched a couple of guys who were thrown out of X to a console, trying to edit a config file to get X going, using vi. They didn't have their favorite GUI editor, and they were completely lost. It was hilarious to watch them. I let them suffer for a few minutes before offering suggestions. Too funny! 8^D emacs? I won't go there... it's like dicussing religion, or something. There are Python bindings for emacs, which will allow you to run it like an IDE. vim is ubiquitous, powerful, and very, very sexy. That last part was to make you curious enough to try it. Do you have vim on your fedoracore? Maybe. I always have to download it with a new install of my distro. nvi is the default version of vi with a new install of my distro. vim. Open a terminal and type: which vim If you get something like: /usr/bin/vim then you're in business. Otherwise, you'll have to grab it and install it. Once you have it, you start it by typing vim at the prompt. Once in vim, press Shift-colon ( : ) help :help To exit vim, press Shift-colon q :q (you may have to do it a couple of times, if you're in help) vim comes with an interactive tutorial called: vimtutor Just type: vimtutor at the prompt to start it. It has enough stuff in it to get you started. Once you've started, you can pick up more advanced stuff as you need it. Now the part you've been waiting for! To make vim a Python IDE, copy/paste this file into your home directory: .vimrc Created by Jeff Elkner 23 January 2006 Last modified 2 February 2006 Turn on syntax highlighting and autoindenting syntax enable filetype indent on set autoindent width to 4 spaces (see http://www.vim.org/tips/tip.php?tip_id=83) set nu set et set sw=4 set smarttab Bind f2 key to running the python interpreter on the currently active file. (curtesy of Steve Howell from email dated 1 Feb 2006). map f2 :w\|!python %cr Now edit your Python code in an editor that has line numbers (my addition to the original file, found at: http://www.ibiblio.org/obp/pyBiblio/tips/elkner/vim4python.php ) syntax highlighting, auto-indent, AND, just press the F2 function key to run the code from the editor (no quitting the editor, running the code, starting the editor). Here is an interesting and helpful Visual vi tutorial: http://www.viemu.com/a_vi_vim_graphical_cheat_sheet_tutorial.html Finally, from the same site: Why, oh WHY, do those [EMAIL PROTECTED] nutheads use vi? http://www.viemu.com/a-why-vi-vim.html What fun, eh? ;-) -- b h a a l u u at g m a i l dot c o m http://www.geocities.com/ek.bhaaluu/index.html On 9/26/07, Armand Nell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi I am new to python programming and also the linux enviroment most of my skills are windows based and programming skills is visual basics. I decided that it would be a great start and new direction for me to learn python and at the same time linux. However I have already run into a wall, and any help would be appreciated even if you can direct me where to find the info or 'turor'. I am running Fedoracore 7 and Python 2.5 In windows, if i write a program in Python and save it I then can simply double click the icon and the program will execute in a console window. Now under Fedoracore I write my program in
