Re: [TV orNotTV] Supremes find against Aereo
(pounding table) YES. YES, YES, YES! Though I'd note that it's much more likely that the justices get mobile devices because they have them and can comprehend the idea that there's a lot of stuff on there. On Jun 30, 2014 9:17 PM, 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV tvornottv@googlegroups.com wrote: Compounding the frustration was the appearance of the Court 'getting it' on the case where they ruled a warrant was necessary to search a cell phone, even if found during arrest. David -- *From:* M-D November mdnovem...@gmail.com *To:* tvornottv@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Monday, June 30, 2014 9:48 PM *Subject:* Re: [TV orNotTV] Supremes find against Aereo Compounding the problem is that the people who live in that cross-section (understand the tech, practice law) were probably already in Aereo's corner, while the networks probably brought in this guy: http://theinfosphere.org/images/thumb/2/2a/Hyperchicken.jpg/225px-Hyperchicken.jpg The young whippersnappers didn't have a chance in the Roberts court. On Monday, June 30, 2014 7:36:08 PM UTC-4, Joe Hass wrote: The problem, as is so often the case, lies somewhere in between. The population of people who get this technology and is licensed to practice law is small. Adding the filter of making it understandable to people outside the field makes it even smaller. And while it would be nice to always have that small of a population involved in every case, it can't always happen. That said, I expect good members of the judiciary to be able to educate themselves on issues that face them. Depending solely on the data presented in the courtroom tends to lead to really shitty decision making. And when it comes to the highest court in the land, if they can't get one of their clerks to go do some research, then I'd gently encourage them to GTFO the bench and let people who are willing to have a crack at this. On Jun 25, 2014 6:45 PM, PGage pga...@gmail.com wrote: I think Doug is right about this; it is the job of the advocates involved to provide the court with the required background and context to understand the legal arguments. They do this in their briefs and supporting documents, and in their oral argument. You may be right that the court did not properly understand the issues, but even if so, I would place most of the blame for that on the lawyers arguing the case. Also, I would not put too much weight on what the justices say in their questions during oral argument. They have very bright, very young clerks who write their own briefs and drafts after oral argument and before voting and writing supporting and dissenting opinions, so that even if there were mistaken assumptions during questioning at oral argument, a lot of those are typically corrected and modified prior to voting and writing. Obviously I am not saying SCOTUS always gets it right (particularly the Roberts Court); but I don't think many of their problems stem from a failure to understand technical details of whatever field the case is framed in. For the record, while there has been some public discussion of Justice Elena Kagan's sexual orientation, I believe it is non-controversial that she identifies as a cis-female. On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 3:49 PM, Kevin M. drunkba...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 3:00 PM, Doug Fields do...@flids.net wrote: I would think that that’s the entire purpose of the oral arguments and briefs before the Court. If I were arguing a complicated case, be it a new technology or any other sort of esoteric concept, I think it would be in my best interests to find somebody who can translate those concepts into terms understandable to a group of middle-aged judges, **because** they shouldn’t be expected to have the working knowledge to understand the subject beforehand. Pouring through the transcript now. Might have to switch to the audio of the oral arguments (I'm about 20 pages in and want to throw my laptop across the room), but the transcripts seem to back my perspective. From the first few minutes of the oral arguments, they've defined a cable company as a business that receives signals or programs broadcast by television stations. Justice Breyer compares phonograph records in a music store to a public performance. Then there's this from Justice Kagan, if Aereo has the hardware in its warehouse as opposed to Aereo selling the hardware to the particular end user, that is going to make all the difference in the world as to whether we have a public performance or not a public performance, which illustrates that the concept of a nebulous cloud with non-localized storage is so far above his head it is laughable and sad at the same time. Both the military and the IRS have their own courts because the specificity of their laws require some knowledge to render opinions. I'm simply suggesting these people, wise as they may be in the law, don't comprehend the
Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: CBS finds something Seacrest can host
He truly is the new Dick Clark, which was the answer of one of my favorite trivia questions: Who, in 1985, had regular shows on all three TV networks? On Jun 25, 2014 1:42 PM, M-D November mdnovem...@gmail.com wrote: So he's got a long-term deal with NBCU for E! and Today, hosts Idol on Fox, NYRE on ABC and now this on CBS...we're going to have to invent a new broadcast network just to get away from Seacrest... On Tuesday, June 24, 2014 11:24:04 PM UTC-4, Bob Jersey wrote: He'll also be an executive of *Fashion Rocks*, a NY Fashion Week-set special co-produced with Macy's, who oddly is developing a Ry-branded line of suits and accessories... second item in a THR piece http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/ryan-seacrests-new-deals-more-714161 (link) where he signed an NBCU deal that continues his red-carpeting but lightens up on *Today* and sports for the time being... B -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [TV orNotTV] News Changes at ABC
I don't watch network TV news, but is Mr Stephanopolous a better breaking news anchor than Ms Sawyer? On Jun 25, 2014 10:27 AM, Tom Wolper twol...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 10:22 AM, PGage pga...@gmail.com wrote: I am trying to remember if there has ever before been a time when the anchor of a network evening news broadcast was not the Chief anchor of news division (which is what Stephanopoulous's title will now be)? It seems to me than even when guys like Cronkite, Brinkley and Brokaw stepped down, their replacements as evening news anchors were clearly the senior anchors for the news division, and would lead coverage of any major story. This kind of feels like to me ABC is saying George is our best news guy, but we make too much money in the morning to risk putting him on an evening show that nobody watches anyway. I think you are generally right, but my interpretation is that Stephanopoulous lobbied to become evening anchor and was turned down in order to keep him at the morning show. Being named breaking news anchor, probably with a considerable pay raise, kept him from making a stink or talk about leaving ABC at the end of his contract. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [TV orNotTV] News Changes at ABC
As far as current news anchors, it seems like there's Brian Williams and then there's everyone else. Am I missing something? On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 9:19 AM, Joe Hass hassgoc...@gmail.com wrote: I don't watch network TV news, but is Mr Stephanopolous a better breaking news anchor than Ms Sawyer? On Jun 25, 2014 10:27 AM, Tom Wolper twol...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 10:22 AM, PGage pga...@gmail.com wrote: I am trying to remember if there has ever before been a time when the anchor of a network evening news broadcast was not the Chief anchor of news division (which is what Stephanopoulous's title will now be)? It seems to me than even when guys like Cronkite, Brinkley and Brokaw stepped down, their replacements as evening news anchors were clearly the senior anchors for the news division, and would lead coverage of any major story. This kind of feels like to me ABC is saying George is our best news guy, but we make too much money in the morning to risk putting him on an evening show that nobody watches anyway. I think you are generally right, but my interpretation is that Stephanopoulous lobbied to become evening anchor and was turned down in order to keep him at the morning show. Being named breaking news anchor, probably with a considerable pay raise, kept him from making a stink or talk about leaving ABC at the end of his contract. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [TV orNotTV] News Changes at ABC
On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 9:19 AM, Joe Hass hassgoc...@gmail.com wrote: I don't watch network TV news, but is Mr Stephanopolous a better breaking news anchor than Ms Sawyer? To me, it isn't about who the better anchor is. It's about which network is in the best position to provide on-the-ground coverage of breaking news. By virtue of the fact NBC news has to provide news coverage to the main network as well as MSNBC (and, to an extent, Univision), they have a slight advantage in terms of the budget they can set aside for reporters and bureaus. Their affiliates have also been the least likely to farm work out to other cities (I think I read there's now a Fox affiliate in Florida somewhere whose newscast is produced almost entirely in Maine), so they have local talent to draw from when things occur. Prior to the death of Peter Jennings (let's all pause and sigh about that for a moment), I think ABC did the best job of allocating resources. Network news did the wraparounds, Nightline provided in-depth analysis, and 20/20 did investigative (albeit biased) reporting... there was a balance to it all, and an ability to borrow from each branch as needed. CNN may have had more experts back then, but they weren't as strategically positioned. But all that has dramatically changed. I wouldn't trust ABC to tell me the time of day. -- Kevin M. (RPCV) -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[TV orNotTV] Re: Onetime top LA paper's offices live on as studios
Fun factoid #2,973: The Her-Ex building was also the location of the Associated Press' Los Angeles bureau and took up most (if not all) of one floor, as it also handled the west coast print and broadcast wire feeds. If memory serves, the AP remained there for several years after the paper shut down. On Monday, June 30, 2014 8:22:41 AM UTC-7, Bob Jersey wrote: The Herald Examiner building http://www.herald-examiner-los-angeles-filming-location.com/ (link), 11th and South Broadway, has hosted at least 1250 shoots for a yooge list of movies and series since the paper folded in the late 80s... -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Onetime top LA paper's offices live on as studios
The Herald-Examiner wasn't a bad paper. It was an afternoon paper owned by Hearst. It didn't have the expansive coverage of The Los Angeles Times, whose Sunday edition seemed as thick as a phone book each week, but benefited greatly by comparison with Daily News, owned by Jack Kent Cooke and then by Dean Singleton, when it really went into decline. On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 10:22 AM, K.M. Richards richard...@gmail.com wrote: Fun factoid #2,973: The Her-Ex building was also the location of the Associated Press' Los Angeles bureau and took up most (if not all) of one floor, as it also handled the west coast print and broadcast wire feeds. If memory serves, the AP remained there for several years after the paper shut down. On Monday, June 30, 2014 8:22:41 AM UTC-7, Bob Jersey wrote: The Herald Examiner building http://www.herald-examiner-los-angeles-filming-location.com/ (link), 11th and South Broadway, has hosted at least 1250 shoots for a yooge list of movies and series since the paper folded in the late 80s... -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [TV orNotTV] News Changes at ABC
Um, CBS? Pelley is a reasonable, serious alternative. I don't think he does disasters well (Brian Williams is great with that) but if the stock market plunges a thousand points or the US invades another foreign country I would go to CBS. On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 9:34 AM, Steve Timko steveti...@gmail.com wrote: As far as current news anchors, it seems like there's Brian Williams and then there's everyone else. Am I missing something? On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 9:19 AM, Joe Hass hassgoc...@gmail.com wrote: I don't watch network TV news, but is Mr Stephanopolous a better breaking news anchor than Ms Sawyer? On Jun 25, 2014 10:27 AM, Tom Wolper twol...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 10:22 AM, PGage pga...@gmail.com wrote: I am trying to remember if there has ever before been a time when the anchor of a network evening news broadcast was not the Chief anchor of news division (which is what Stephanopoulous's title will now be)? It seems to me than even when guys like Cronkite, Brinkley and Brokaw stepped down, their replacements as evening news anchors were clearly the senior anchors for the news division, and would lead coverage of any major story. This kind of feels like to me ABC is saying George is our best news guy, but we make too much money in the morning to risk putting him on an evening show that nobody watches anyway. I think you are generally right, but my interpretation is that Stephanopoulous lobbied to become evening anchor and was turned down in order to keep him at the morning show. Being named breaking news anchor, probably with a considerable pay raise, kept him from making a stink or talk about leaving ABC at the end of his contract. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [TV orNotTV] News Changes at ABC
On Tuesday, July 1, 2014 12:44:04 PM UTC-4, Kevin M. (RPCV) wrote: To me, it isn't about who the better anchor is. It's about which network is in the best position to provide on-the-ground coverage of breaking news. By virtue of the fact NBC news has to provide news coverage to the main network as well as MSNBC (and, to an extent, Univision), they have a slight advantage in terms of the budget they can set aside for reporters and bureaus. Their affiliates have also been the least likely to farm work out to other cities (I think I read there's now a Fox affiliate in Florida somewhere whose newscast is produced almost entirely in Maine), so they have local talent to draw from when things occur. Prior to the death of Peter Jennings (let's all pause and sigh about that for a moment), I think ABC did the best job of allocating resources. Network news did the wraparounds, Nightline provided in-depth analysis, and 20/20 did investigative (albeit biased) reporting... there was a balance to it all, and an ability to borrow from each branch as needed. CNN may have had more experts back then, but they weren't as strategically positioned. But all that has dramatically changed. I wouldn't trust ABC to tell me the time of day. Agreed. I was a loyal viewer of ABC News from the Frank Reynolds era until the retirement of Charlie Gibson. Shortly after Diane Sawyer took over, ABC had a big round of cost-cutting where they let several reporters go - including Brian Rooney, who seemed to be in every California city at once. Rooney took an early retirement package, and his job was not filled. When I read that, I realized that ABC was now giving me less news than it used to. So I switched over to Brian Williams, because he works for a network that's able to devote more of its resources to news. I think ABC did very little to diminish their news-gathering capability in the Jennings/Koppel era. After Jennings died in 2005 and Koppel retired a few months later, things started to slide. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: [TV orNotTV] News Changes at ABC
Not really related to the subject, but anyway… A few weeks ago, I made a special point of watching Fox News in the morning for more than hour because I wanted to know how it was covering the latest climate change report. The subject didn’t even get a mention even though it was a leading story on all the broadcast networks, the New York Times, and the Washington Post. Today, I made a special point of being around to catch the news on The Today Show because I wanted to hear its coverage (Pete Williams) of yesterday’s two Supreme Court rulings. They didn’t get a mention. I hate having to cut Fox News some slack now. The Today Show’s lack of coverage of the Supreme Court decisions makes it difficult for me to complain about Fox News’ highly selective reporting. And, I’m annoyed. BTW I prefer Brian Williams, too. On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 9:19 AM, Joe Hass hassgoc...@gmail.com wrote: I don't watch network TV news, but is Mr Stephanopolous a better breaking news anchor than Ms Sawyer? To me, it isn't about who the better anchor is. It's about which network is in the best position to provide on-the-ground coverage of breaking news. By virtue of the fact NBC news has to provide news coverage to the main network as well as MSNBC (and, to an extent, Univision), they have a slight advantage in terms of the budget they can set aside for reporters and bureaus. Their affiliates have also been the least likely to farm work out to other cities (I think I read there's now a Fox affiliate in Florida somewhere whose newscast is produced almost entirely in Maine), so they have local talent to draw from when things occur. Prior to the death of Peter Jennings (let's all pause and sigh about that for a moment), I think ABC did the best job of allocating resources. Network news did the wraparounds, Nightline provided in-depth analysis, and 20/20 did investigative (albeit biased) reporting... there was a balance to it all, and an ability to borrow from each branch as needed. CNN may have had more experts back then, but they weren't as strategically positioned. But all that has dramatically changed. I wouldn't trust ABC to tell me the time of day. -- Kevin M. (RPCV) -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: CBS finds something Seacrest can host
Although of the three (25k Pyramid, American Bandstand, TV's Bloopers Practical Jokes), only one was in primetime. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
