Re: [TV orNotTV] FCC: Redskins not a 'dirty' word
On Friday, December 19, 2014 9:17:15 AM UTC-8, PGage wrote: ... but the Washington Niggers or Washington Kikes would be just fine. To tell the family secret, my grandmother was Dutch ... -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [TV orNotTV] FCC: Redskins not a 'dirty' word
On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 8:08 PM, Bob Jersey bob.in.jer...@juno.com wrote: A George Wa(r)shington U. professor challenged the licence of WWXX, the Snyder-owned FM which is one of the NFL team's outlets, over whether it was. He failed. This Bloomberg piece http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-12-18/redskins-name-ruled-not-obscene-as-fcc-declines-to-deny-license.html (link) said he's also got a complaint against Fox-13 in LA. For what, use of it by Terry, Howie, Jimmy et al.? Somebody failed here, but not sure it was Banzhaf. the FCC said Redskins doesn’t fit definitions for obscene or profane words because it isn’t sexual or excretory in nature. So, I guess the Washington Motherfuckers (a name which no doubt would be chosen to honor those who love their mothers) and the Washington Pants-Shitters would not be acceptable, but the Washington Niggers or Washington Kikes would be just fine. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [TV orNotTV] FCC: Redskins not a 'dirty' word
On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 12:17 PM, PGage pga...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 8:08 PM, Bob Jersey bob.in.jer...@juno.com wrote: A George Wa(r)shington U. professor challenged the licence of WWXX, the Snyder-owned FM which is one of the NFL team's outlets, over whether it was. He failed. This Bloomberg piece http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-12-18/redskins-name-ruled-not-obscene-as-fcc-declines-to-deny-license.html (link) said he's also got a complaint against Fox-13 in LA. For what, use of it by Terry, Howie, Jimmy et al.? Somebody failed here, but not sure it was Banzhaf. the FCC said Redskins doesn’t fit definitions for obscene or profane words because it isn’t sexual or excretory in nature. So, I guess the Washington Motherfuckers (a name which no doubt would be chosen to honor those who love their mothers) and the Washington Pants-Shitters would not be acceptable, but the Washington Niggers or Washington Kikes would be just fine. By the rules the FCC got from Congress that's right. If you complain to the FCC they'll tell you that those are the rules they work under and if you're not happy convince Congress to give them new rules. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [TV orNotTV] FCC: Redskins not a 'dirty' word
On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 10:46 AM, Tom Wolper twol...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 12:17 PM, PGage pga...@gmail.com wrote: Somebody failed here, but not sure it was Banzhaf. the FCC said Redskins doesn’t fit definitions for obscene or profane words because it isn’t sexual or excretory in nature. So, I guess the Washington Motherfuckers (a name which no doubt would be chosen to honor those who love their mothers) and the Washington Pants-Shitters would not be acceptable, but the Washington Niggers or Washington Kikes would be just fine. By the rules the FCC got from Congress that's right. If you complain to the FCC they'll tell you that those are the rules they work under and if you're not happy convince Congress to give them new rules. And yet, if there was an NFL team called the Washington Kikes, I suspect most television stations would not say it very often over their air. As I say, somebody has failed here, but I am not sure it was Banzhaf... -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [TV orNotTV] FCC: Redskins not a 'dirty' word
On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 1:52 PM, PGage pga...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 10:46 AM, Tom Wolper twol...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 12:17 PM, PGage pga...@gmail.com wrote: Somebody failed here, but not sure it was Banzhaf. the FCC said Redskins doesn’t fit definitions for obscene or profane words because it isn’t sexual or excretory in nature. So, I guess the Washington Motherfuckers (a name which no doubt would be chosen to honor those who love their mothers) and the Washington Pants-Shitters would not be acceptable, but the Washington Niggers or Washington Kikes would be just fine. By the rules the FCC got from Congress that's right. If you complain to the FCC they'll tell you that those are the rules they work under and if you're not happy convince Congress to give them new rules. And yet, if there was an NFL team called the Washington Kikes, I suspect most television stations would not say it very often over their air. As I say, somebody has failed here, but I am not sure it was Banzhaf... Banzhaf probably has a longer term strategy. The first and most obvious step is to get a ruling from the FCC and he has done that. I doubt he was surprised by the ruling and he's going to move on to his next steps. Since the FCC is being asked to suppress speech we want them to have guidelines that are specific as possible. Asking them to suppress based on perceived offensiveness is just too vague. Trying to come up with an analogous offensive nickname doesn't work because Washington has had that nickname for decades without a major challenge. If they went to change it to another slur they would be stopped by the NFL and the team's advertisers/local business community long before it got to the FCC. The day will come when Washington will change the name of their team since the problems with the name will not disappear even if the current pressure abates. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [TV orNotTV] FCC: Redskins not a 'dirty' word
On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 1:08 PM, Tom Wolper twol...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 1:52 PM, PGage pga...@gmail.com wrote: As I say, somebody has failed here, but I am not sure it was Banzhaf... Banzhaf probably has a longer term strategy. The first and most obvious step is to get a ruling from the FCC and he has done that. I doubt he was surprised by the ruling and he's going to move on to his next steps. Since the FCC is being asked to suppress speech we want them to have guidelines that are specific as possible. Asking them to suppress based on perceived offensiveness is just too vague. Trying to come up with an analogous offensive nickname doesn't work because Washington has had that nickname for decades without a major challenge. If they went to change it to another slur they would be stopped by the NFL and the team's advertisers/local business community long before it got to the FCC. The day will come when Washington will change the name of their team since the problems with the name will not disappear even if the current pressure abates. My point is not that the FCC Ruling is in error here - indeed, I would rather they allow stations to broadcast motherfucker than that they fine them for broadcasting Redskins. My point is that somebody has failed here, but I am not sure it was Banzhaf...it is the idiot who owns the Washington DC NFL franchise, and the idiots who run the NFL. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[TV orNotTV] FCC: Redskins not a 'dirty' word
A George Wa(r)shington U. professor challenged the licence of WWXX, the Snyder-owned FM which is one of the NFL team's outlets, over whether it was. He failed. This Bloomberg piece http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-12-18/redskins-name-ruled-not-obscene-as-fcc-declines-to-deny-license.html (link) said he's also got a complaint against Fox-13 in LA. For what, use of it by Terry, Howie, Jimmy et al.? B -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [TV orNotTV] FCC: Redskins not a 'dirty' word
Fox 11. KCOP is My13. Mark Jeffries Saints Spotlight Editor spotligh...@gmail.com On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 10:08 PM, Bob Jersey bob.in.jer...@juno.com wrote: A George Wa(r)shington U. professor challenged the licence of WWXX, the Snyder-owned FM which is one of the NFL team's outlets, over whether it was. He failed. This Bloomberg piece http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-12-18/redskins-name-ruled-not-obscene-as-fcc-declines-to-deny-license.html (link) said he's also got a complaint against Fox-13 in LA. For what, use of it by Terry, Howie, Jimmy et al.? B -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
