Re: [TV orNotTV] It's 1, 2, 3 strikes you're... moved?
In Los Angeles, that number will be two next season as the Dodgers follow the Lakers into we have our own cable channel land, meaning the only OTA games featuring the blue crew will be those carried by Fox. The losing OTA affiliate in both cases is CBS-owned indie KCAL/9. On Saturday, October 19, 2013 12:53:21 PM UTC-7, Joe Hass wrote: I'd have to do a little research to see how many of the 90 teams have no OTA affiliates. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [TV orNotTV] It's 1, 2, 3 strikes you're... moved?
On Saturday, October 19, 2013, JW wrote: This migration to local cable outlets is pretty widespread. I think network affiliation contracts had a role, when the networks made it harder for local stations to pre-empt them. (It seems to me that a local team's games should clobber Saturday night reruns on other networks, but what do I know?) In Detroit, it was Fox that feared the three teams creating their own network that backed up the dump trucks of money. I'd have to do a little research to see how many of the 90 teams have no OTA affiliates. I mean, I don't expect half the schedule to go OTA, but to go off your idea, even a Friday or Saturday night package would surely beat the networks. In odd numbered years, the only time you'd be able to see the Tigers OTA would be their up to nine Saturday appearances and the World Series. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [TV orNotTV] It's 1, 2, 3 strikes you're... moved?
The other huge difference between the US and UK is the additional
complexity of individual team rights (with the exception of the NFL regular
season). In Detroit, for example, all games not picked up nationally
(either OTA or cable) air on Fox Sports Detroit. This means unless you have
cable, your only chance to see the Tigers, Pistons, or Red Wings is if Fox,
ABC, or NBC/CBC carries the game respectively. That extends to the Internet
packages, which black out local market and national games (don't get me
started on the Fox Saturday rules).
This, oddly, is the one place the NCAA gets to do something right: since
they control the rights to their tournaments (as opposed to the individual
conferences), they've offered all 67 games of the men's
basketball tournament on the Internet, even if you don't have cable (you
pay $5 if you can't or don't validate your subscription). Sadly, this is
the only tournament they do it with, as ESPN holds all the other rights and
will let Olbermann and Kilborn host SportsCenter again in Bristol before
they allow stand-alone Internet streaming.
On Friday, October 18, 2013, Adam Bowie wrote:
I've always been quite jealous that in the US, you do seem to get most of
your key sport on free-to-air broadcast channels.
That's not the case for the most part in Europe.
In the UK for example, there is no live Premier League football on
broadcast channels (free to air in UK parlance). The live rights are
split between Sky Sports and a new entrant this year - BT Sport. The BBC
only gets to broadcast highlights of football. There is no live cricket on
broadcast television. The BBC does carry some rugby, but most competitions
are split between BT Sport and Sky Sports.
And the difference between the TV ecosystems is that while we don't have
a la carte cable as has been talked about a lot in the US, sports
channels are a separate buy. So while ESPN might be a basic cable channel
(and in reality sucking $5 a month from everyone's cable bills whether they
watch sports or not), in the UK, it's an additional purchase. And hence it
costs £22 a month - $35 - to get Sky Sports for example. BT Sport is more
on top of that, although free if you take their broadband service.
That does lead to reality that Sky, and now BT, can almost always outbid
the broadcast channels like the BBC (with its fixed income based around a
licence fee) or the advertiser funded ITV. So we actually have a list of
events that by law are not allowed to be sold to anyone who doesn't make
them widely available as a result - The Olympics, the World Cup, the FA Cup
final, Wimbledon etc. They're considered culturally important enough that
they should be available to all. That means that these do get broadcast on
the BBC, ITV or both.
Because sports TV packages are so pricey, not all satellite/cable
subscribers take channels Sky Sports. Exactly what that proportion is tends
to be confidential, but of something like 25m homes in the UK, it's
estimated that only around 7-8m pay for sports (out of 13m who pay at all
for TV - the rest rely on broadcast only). So if you move your event to
cable/satellite, you get more for your rights, but at the cost of viewers.
Are advertisers and sponsors of those sports happy with their reduced
reach? It's a tough balance for networks, sports rights owners and the
viewing public to get right...
Adam
--
--
TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People!
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
Groups TV or Not TV group.
To post to this group, send email to
tvornottv@googlegroups.comjavascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
'tvornottv@googlegroups.com');
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
'tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com');
For more options, visit this group at
http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en
---
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
TVorNotTV group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com javascript:_e({},
'cvml', 'tvornottv%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com');.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
--
--
TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People!
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
Groups TV or Not TV group.
To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
For more options, visit this group at
http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en
---
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
TVorNotTV group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email
to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [TV orNotTV] It's 1, 2, 3 strikes you're... moved?
The idea that MLB would now only allow the World Series to appear OTA
depresses me to my very core. Every other pro sport in the US airs at least
some portion of their playoffs on OTA.
The optimist says there's no way MLB lets this happen. The optimist isn't
right that often.
On Wednesday, October 16, 2013, Brad Beam wrote:
Musings on Fox Sports 1 being added to the 2014 MLB playoff mix:
One possibility – a flash-cut of the LCS from Fox to FS1 after the LDS’
last pitch. (The World Series would remain OTA.)
http://www.thewrap.com/fox-sports-1-shake-mlb-playoffs-2014/
** **
_ _
|_|_ Brad Beam- Belle WV
|_|_ http://www.facebook.com/74bmw
--
--
TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People!
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
Groups TV or Not TV group.
To post to this group, send email to
tvornottv@googlegroups.comjavascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
'tvornottv@googlegroups.com');
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
'tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com');
For more options, visit this group at
http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en
---
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
TVorNotTV group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com javascript:_e({},
'cvml', 'tvornottv%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com');.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
--
--
TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People!
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
Groups TV or Not TV group.
To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
For more options, visit this group at
http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en
---
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
TVorNotTV group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email
to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [TV orNotTV] It's 1, 2, 3 strikes you're... moved?
On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 10:34 AM, Joe Hass hassgoc...@gmail.com wrote: The idea that MLB would now only allow the World Series to appear OTA depresses me to my very core. Every other pro sport in the US airs at least some portion of their playoffs on OTA. The optimist says there's no way MLB lets this happen. The optimist isn't right that often. I really agree with you. I also think the optimistic you might have some help, in that MLB is so dependent on congressional grace. Of course we do not currently have a functioning congress that is able to conduct the people's business, but that does not mean that we won't ever have one again. I have not seen the number in a while for Americans who do not have basic cable, but if it is significant it certainly could be argued that MLB's antitrust exemption would no longer be justified if its post-season product is not available over the public airwaves. On another note, this is exactly what is keeping the boys in Bristol awake at night. Imagine what might happen if Fox moves some or all of its NFL games to FS1? -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [TV orNotTV] It's 1, 2, 3 strikes you're... moved?
On Oct 17, 2013, at 11:30 AM, PGage wrote: On another note, this is exactly what is keeping the boys in Bristol awake at night. Imagine what might happen if Fox moves some or all of its NFL games to FS1? Fox can't do that unilaterally -- and they couldn't literally move all their games to FS1 (or even FS1 plus FS2), since they have more than two games airing simultaneously every Sunday... But if there's any truth to yesterday's Wall Street Journal's story that the NFL is considering a Thursday night doubleheader, the extra games would come out of the Fox/CBS Sunday afternoon allotment, and FS1 could very well be the winning bidder for that package, thus effectively moving some of Fox's NFL games to FS1. http://deadspin.com/report-nfl-considers-more-thursday-night-games-1446363612 -- Jim Ellwanger train...@ellwanger.tv http://www.ellwanger.tv -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [TV orNotTV] It's 1, 2, 3 strikes you're... moved?
On Thursday, October 17, 2013, PGage wrote: I was thinking of some or all of what Fox labels as its prime Sunday Game (I forget the tag they use for this). I could see them wanting to move some or all of these games during a season to FS1 to drive viewership. They probably would need the permission of the NFL for that. Even one or two of those happening next season would be a disaster for ESPN. I'm not sure if I have mentioned this season how much I DETEST Thursday night football games. Two would be even worse. They call their Sunday afternoon game(s) America's Game Of The Week, though I think they only break that out on doubleheader weeks. Really: two fucking Thursday night games a week? I mean, I know you don't give the slightest shit about your product (see: 2003 Replacement Officials) or the respect of your fans (see: A Crucial Catch) or your players (see: four preseason games). The sole reason I have even the slightest awareness of the NFL is due to my wife being an NFL owner, which obligates me to be vaguely interested in her team. They and their teams are one of the worst companies in the US today: on par with Walmart. The only difference is that many of the people who shop at Walmart have no other option available. I don't see people being frog marched into Cowboys Stadium. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [TV orNotTV] It's 1, 2, 3 strikes you're... moved?
On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 4:25 PM, Joe Hass hassgoc...@gmail.com wrote: They call their Sunday afternoon game(s) America's Game Of The Week, though I think they only break that out on doubleheader weeks. Really: two fucking Thursday night games a week? I mean, I know you don't give the slightest shit about your product (see: 2003 Replacement Officials) or the respect of your fans (see: A Crucial Catch) or your players (see: four preseason games). The sole reason I have even the slightest awareness of the NFL is due to my wife being an NFL owner, which obligates me to be vaguely interested in her team. They and their teams are one of the worst companies in the US today: on par with Walmart. The only difference is that many of the people who shop at Walmart have no other option available. I don't see people being frog marched into Cowboys Stadium. Wait - are you from Wisconsin, or are you married to Jerry Jones? -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[TV orNotTV] It's 1, 2, 3 strikes you're... moved?
Musings on Fox Sports 1 being added to the 2014 MLB playoff mix: One possibility - a flash-cut of the LCS from Fox to FS1 after the LDS' last pitch. (The World Series would remain OTA.) http://www.thewrap.com/fox-sports-1-shake-mlb-playoffs-2014/ _ _ |_|_ Brad Beam- Belle WV |_|_ http://www.facebook.com/74bmw -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
