Re: Subsequent identical messages ignored?

2008-12-09 Thread Corey Menscher

No documentation update yet...can you please just tell me what the
subsequent update limit is so I can update my code to prevent
redundant posts?  In the meantime I'm going to limit identical posts
to no more than one a minute. (Don't worry, I don't expect the app to
update nearly that often...but it may happen while testing.)


On Dec 6, 6:34 pm, Alex Payne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It's not new, and we haven't had any other reports of updates lagging.

 On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 15:25, tweetip [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I've been guessing this new check is why posting an update is taking
  so long?

 --
 Alex Payne - API Lead, Twitter, Inc.http://twitter.com/al3x


Re: Problems with updating profile image

2008-12-09 Thread Sean

Thanks Lien.

I was able to get this figured out.  It was a problem with the way I
was encoding the image data.  I needed to be using iso-8859-1.
I really appreciate your help

On Dec 8, 5:00 pm, Sean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Thanks Lien,

 I am trying to get this done using c#.NET and I think I am getting
 closer.  What is happening with my request is it is getting truncated
 only a few characters in to the actualimagedata so I don't have a
 footer boundary.  The post completes successfully, but theimagethat
 gets uploaded to the server isn't formatted correctly.

 Here is the full request body -
 POST /account/update_profile_image.xml HTTP/1.1

 Content-Type: multipart/form-data;
 boundary=125e2d3d-97d3-44fc-8267-9a8ef2d79644

 Authorization: Basic removed

 Host: twitter.com

 Content-Length: 201010

 Expect: 100-continue

 --125e2d3d-97d3-44fc-8267-9a8ef2d79644

 Content-Disposition: form-data; name=image; filename=seantest.jpg

 Content-Type:image/jpeg

 ÿØÿà

 Any ideas what could be causing theimagedata to be truncated?
 Thanks again for your help

 On Dec 8, 3:24 pm, Lien Tran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



  Here's what my request body looks like:

  POST /account/update_profile_image.xml HTTP/1.1
  Authorization: Basic removed
  Content-Type: multipart/form-data;
  boundary=-1228771270538
  User-Agent: Java/1.6.0_02
  Host: twitter.com
  Accept: text/html,image/gif,image/jpeg, *; q=.2, */*; q=.2
  Connection: keep-alive
  Content-Length: 71380

  ---1228771270538
  Content-Disposition: form-data; name=image; filename=Sunset.jpg
  Content-Type:image/jpeg

  binary data here
  ---1228771270538--HTTP/1.1 200 OK

  On Dec 8, 8:11 am, Sean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   Would you mind posting a sample of your correctly formatted request
   here?  I  am running windows and haven't been able to get curl up and
   running yet.

   Thanks

   Sean

   On Dec 8, 12:06 am, Lien Tran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Thanks Alex.  I used curl to see what the request should look like and
then coded up my request accordingly.  It's working for me now.

On Dec 6, 11:37 am, Alex Payne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The test we use for this method is to use curl:

 curl -F '[EMAIL PROTECTED]/to/test/image.jpg' -u 
 USERNAME:PASSWORDhttp://twitter.com/account/update_profile_image.xml

 If you use an HTTP proxy, you can see it generating the appropriate
 request and response.

 On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 00:09, Lien Tran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Hello,

  I've been trying to update myprofileimageusing the account method
  update_profile_image.  However, the server keeps returning the error
  There was a problem with your picture. Probably too big.  The 
  photo
  I am trying touploadis a jpg less than 700 kilobytes in size.  Below
  is the request body and request response.

  Request body:
  POST /account/update_profile_image.xml HTTP/1.1
  Authorization: Basic encoded credentials here
  User-Agent: Jakarta Commons-HttpClient/3.1
  Host: twitter.com
  Content-Length: 71440
  Content-Type: multipart/form-data; boundary=tUGDGHg6-
  mbUEjVXYFhFWeb_NFmBUxiXOK

  --tUGDGHg6-mbUEjVXYFhFWeb_NFmBUxiXOK
  Content-Disposition: form-data; name=Sunset.jpg;
  filename=Sunset.jpg
  Content-Type: application/octet-stream; charset=ISO-8859-1
  Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary

  binary data here

  --tUGDGHg6-mbUEjVXYFhFWeb_NFmBUxiXOK--

  Response body:
  HTTP/1.1 403 Forbidden
  Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 07:59:53 GMT
  Server: hi
  Last-Modified: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 07:59:53 GMT
  Status: 403 Forbidden
  Pragma: no-cache
  Cache-Control: no-cache, no-store, must-revalidate, pre-check=0, 
  post-
  check=0
  Content-Type: application/xml; charset=utf-8
  Content-Length: 183
  Expires: Tue, 31 Mar 1981 05:00:00 GMT
  Set-Cookie:
  _twitter_sess=BAh7BzoHaWQiJWRhOWNmNjI1MGM5MjRmYWIwOGEzOGQwNTQyYzNmZTNjIgpm
  %250AbGFzaElDOidBY3Rpb25Db250cm9sbGVyOjpGbGFzaDo6Rmxhc2hIYXNoewAG
  %250AOgpAdXNlZHsA--d9fe4dcadf2064553d3371c9fe767ff009f20c21;
  domain=.twitter.com; path=/
  Vary: Accept-Encoding
  Connection: close

  ?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8?
  hash
   request/account/update_profile_image.xml/request
   errorThere was a problem with your picture. Probably too big./
  error
  /hash

  Does the request body look correct?  Does anyone have a sample of 
  what
  the request body should look like if this is not correct?

  Thanks.

 --
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Re: Using CAPTCHAs to get more followers on twitter.

2008-12-09 Thread Amir Michail

On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 11:32 AM, jstrellner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 To me, this sounds like MLM, based off of twitter, just slightly
 modified.  If you want to go this route, why not just say, if you
 follow me, I'll follow you and we'll both get higher numbers. Maybe
 you'll like what I have to say too.

How do you do this without spamming a huge number of people?  Why do
you think many people would look at your twitter page to read such a
message?

Amir


 Honestly though, this completely misses the whole point of Twitter.

 On Dec 8, 7:51 pm, Amir Michail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 10:31 PM, Waitman Gobble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Well, if you're like me you don't really need any cheerleaders to
  fluff you up and get you going. I mean they're nice and all, but
  stubborn persistence regardless.

  And besides, we'd not have much of this stuff if it weren't for some
  renegades with stubborn idears. You know, the Internet Cowboys. Guys
  who would crowbar their ways onto the rooftops of bank hi-rises just
  to set up satellite dishes and offer wireless internet when most
  people never even heard of broadband. Or rent a back hoe and chaw
  through public streets without permit to run copper. Back in the
  1990's. Those types. Where would we be now?

  The thing I'm missing in your proposal - I can't see the nookie. I
  mean, are users getting a higher quality of selection of tweets
  because you do the Turing exam? Or are they going to get more
  followers because you have a pool of twitters at the other end waiting
  for them? (because of the quality of feed).

 Suppose you have two twitter users who are each working on a web 2.0
 startup and would like to increase the number of their twitter
 followers to better their chances of startup success.

 They could go to this service to increase their followers.

 So in using this service, they find each other.  Even though they
 don't necessarily want to increase the number of people they follow,
 they might discover cool tweets that they would like to see anyway.

 And so they end up following each other, even though it was not their
 intent to follow more people.

 Amir





  Not cutting, just trying to understand.

  Waitman

  On Dec 8, 7:11 pm, Amir Michail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 9:20 PM, Waitman Gobble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   ...

   Anyways, back to the original topic.

   I don't understand WHERE these Them are going to submit. (re:
   original post). I guess that's what I'm missing.

   Waitman

  At the service using the twitter API that I'm thinking of building.  I
  didn't realize this idea was so difficult to understand though.  Maybe
  I shouldn't even try...

  Amir

   On Dec 8, 5:54 pm, Cameron Kaiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   It's because people who are new, or considered new due to few posts, 
   are
   automatically put in the moderation queue.
   spam, which I'm sure

  --http://b4utweet.comhttp://chatbotgame.comhttp://numbrosia.comhttp://t...

 --http://b4utweet.comhttp://chatbotgame.comhttp://numbrosia.comhttp://twitter.com/amichail
 




-- 
http://b4utweet.com
http://chatbotgame.com
http://numbrosia.com
http://twitter.com/amichail


Re: Using CAPTCHAs to get more followers on twitter.

2008-12-09 Thread Stut


On 9 Dec 2008, at 18:04, Amir Michail wrote:
On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 11:32 AM, jstrellner  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


To me, this sounds like MLM, based off of twitter, just slightly
modified.  If you want to go this route, why not just say, if you
follow me, I'll follow you and we'll both get higher numbers. Maybe
you'll like what I have to say too.


How do you do this without spamming a huge number of people?  Why do
you think many people would look at your twitter page to read such a
message?


In my experience the best way to get new followers is not to ask for  
them, either directly or through using any service with the sole  
purpose of allowing you to pimp yourself as worth following. If you're  
worth following people will follow. It's then up to you whether you  
reciprocate or not. Personally I look their last few pages and base my  
decision on that. If I'm not interested in that then there's no value  
in my following them.


But that's just the way I see it.

-Stut

--
http://stut.net/
http://twitter.com/stut



Honestly though, this completely misses the whole point of Twitter.

On Dec 8, 7:51 pm, Amir Michail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 10:31 PM, Waitman Gobble  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Well, if you're like me you don't really need any cheerleaders to
fluff you up and get you going. I mean they're nice and all, but
stubborn persistence regardless.


And besides, we'd not have much of this stuff if it weren't for  
some
renegades with stubborn idears. You know, the Internet Cowboys.  
Guys
who would crowbar their ways onto the rooftops of bank hi-rises  
just

to set up satellite dishes and offer wireless internet when most
people never even heard of broadband. Or rent a back hoe and chaw
through public streets without permit to run copper. Back in the
1990's. Those types. Where would we be now?



The thing I'm missing in your proposal - I can't see the nookie. I
mean, are users getting a higher quality of selection of tweets
because you do the Turing exam? Or are they going to get more
followers because you have a pool of twitters at the other end  
waiting

for them? (because of the quality of feed).


Suppose you have two twitter users who are each working on a web 2.0
startup and would like to increase the number of their twitter
followers to better their chances of startup success.

They could go to this service to increase their followers.

So in using this service, they find each other.  Even though they
don't necessarily want to increase the number of people they follow,
they might discover cool tweets that they would like to see anyway.

And so they end up following each other, even though it was not  
their

intent to follow more people.

Amir






Not cutting, just trying to understand.



Waitman



On Dec 8, 7:11 pm, Amir Michail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 9:20 PM, Waitman Gobble  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

...



Anyways, back to the original topic.



I don't understand WHERE these Them are going to submit. (re:
original post). I guess that's what I'm missing.



Waitman


At the service using the twitter API that I'm thinking of  
building.  I
didn't realize this idea was so difficult to understand though.   
Maybe

I shouldn't even try...



Amir



On Dec 8, 5:54 pm, Cameron Kaiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's because people who are new, or considered new due to few  
posts, are

automatically put in the moderation queue.
spam, which I'm sure


--http://b4utweet.comhttp://chatbotgame.comhttp://numbrosia.comhttp 
://t...


--http://b4utweet.comhttp://chatbotgame.comhttp:// 
numbrosia.comhttp://twitter.com/amichail








--
http://b4utweet.com
http://chatbotgame.com
http://numbrosia.com
http://twitter.com/amichail




Re: Using CAPTCHAs to get more followers on twitter.

2008-12-09 Thread Chad Etzel
On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 1:38 PM, Amir Michail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



 How many people has this worked for?  From what I understand, people
 with a huge number of followers on twitter were already famous before
 using twitter.


Is the goal here to win at twitter?  Do you win by getting the most
followers?  As my good friend says: it's not who follows you, it's who you
follow.  That's how to get the most value out of twitter (in his opinion,
and in mine).

As for being famous and having a ton of followers... That's how celebrity
works.  Also, I don't consider myself remotely famous, but I just crossed
600 followers, which is quite a bit more than the average joe has... so it
is possible to grow your followers with time and hard work to engage others
to give them value.

That said, you are still welcome to build this service.  I'm not sure most
of us understand it exactly, but maybe once it is implemented we will get
it.  That, and let the net decide.  If people want to use it, they will...
if not, they won't.  Either way, it would probably be a fun exercise in
programming and learning the API.

-Chad
p.s. This whole thread has been very entertaining, I must say.






 
  But that's just the way I see it.
 
  -Stut
 
  --
  http://stut.net/
  http://twitter.com/stut
 
 
  Honestly though, this completely misses the whole point of Twitter.
 
  On Dec 8, 7:51 pm, Amir Michail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 10:31 PM, Waitman Gobble
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Well, if you're like me you don't really need any cheerleaders to
  fluff you up and get you going. I mean they're nice and all, but
  stubborn persistence regardless.
 
  And besides, we'd not have much of this stuff if it weren't for
  some
  renegades with stubborn idears. You know, the Internet Cowboys.
  Guys
  who would crowbar their ways onto the rooftops of bank hi-rises
  just
  to set up satellite dishes and offer wireless internet when most
  people never even heard of broadband. Or rent a back hoe and chaw
  through public streets without permit to run copper. Back in the
  1990's. Those types. Where would we be now?
 
  The thing I'm missing in your proposal - I can't see the nookie. I
  mean, are users getting a higher quality of selection of tweets
  because you do the Turing exam? Or are they going to get more
  followers because you have a pool of twitters at the other end
  waiting
  for them? (because of the quality of feed).
 
  Suppose you have two twitter users who are each working on a web 2.0
  startup and would like to increase the number of their twitter
  followers to better their chances of startup success.
 
  They could go to this service to increase their followers.
 
  So in using this service, they find each other.  Even though they
  don't necessarily want to increase the number of people they follow,
  they might discover cool tweets that they would like to see anyway.
 
  And so they end up following each other, even though it was not
  their
  intent to follow more people.
 
  Amir
 
 
 
 
 
  Not cutting, just trying to understand.
 
  Waitman
 
  On Dec 8, 7:11 pm, Amir Michail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 9:20 PM, Waitman Gobble
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  ...
 
  Anyways, back to the original topic.
 
  I don't understand WHERE these Them are going to submit. (re:
  original post). I guess that's what I'm missing.
 
  Waitman
 
  At the service using the twitter API that I'm thinking of
  building.  I
  didn't realize this idea was so difficult to understand though.
  Maybe
  I shouldn't even try...
 
  Amir
 
  On Dec 8, 5:54 pm, Cameron Kaiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  It's because people who are new, or considered new due to few
  posts, are
  automatically put in the moderation queue.
  spam, which I'm sure
 
  --http://b4utweet.comhttp://chatbotgame.comhttp://numbrosia.comhttp
  ://t...
 
  --http://b4utweet.comhttp://chatbotgame.comhttp://
  numbrosia.comhttp://twitter.com/amichail
 
 
 
 
 
  --
  http://b4utweet.com
  http://chatbotgame.com
  http://numbrosia.com
  http://twitter.com/amichail
 
 
  
 



 --
 http://b4utweet.com
 http://chatbotgame.com
 http://numbrosia.com
 http://twitter.com/amichail



Re: Using CAPTCHAs to get more followers on twitter.

2008-12-09 Thread Amir Michail

On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 1:41 PM, Andrew Badera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 define huge.

 I'm not famous, but have almost 2000 followers.

How did you accumulate this number?  How many of them already knew
you?  How many people did you follow (without taking away subsequent
unfollows)?

Amir


 early adopters probably have an easier time accruing large numbers of
 followers, as do celebrities, but fame is certainly not a requirement.



 On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 1:38 PM, Amir Michail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 1:36 PM, Stut [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  On 9 Dec 2008, at 18:04, Amir Michail wrote:
  On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 11:32 AM, jstrellner
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  To me, this sounds like MLM, based off of twitter, just slightly
  modified.  If you want to go this route, why not just say, if you
  follow me, I'll follow you and we'll both get higher numbers. Maybe
  you'll like what I have to say too.
 
  How do you do this without spamming a huge number of people?  Why do
  you think many people would look at your twitter page to read such a
  message?
 
  In my experience the best way to get new followers is not to ask for
  them, either directly or through using any service with the sole
  purpose of allowing you to pimp yourself as worth following. If you're
  worth following people will follow. It's then up to you whether you
  reciprocate or not. Personally I look their last few pages and base my
  decision on that. If I'm not interested in that then there's no value
  in my following them.

 How many people has this worked for?  From what I understand, people
 with a huge number of followers on twitter were already famous before
 using twitter.

 Amir

 
  But that's just the way I see it.
 
  -Stut
 
  --
  http://stut.net/
  http://twitter.com/stut
 
 
  Honestly though, this completely misses the whole point of Twitter.
 
  On Dec 8, 7:51 pm, Amir Michail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 10:31 PM, Waitman Gobble
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Well, if you're like me you don't really need any cheerleaders to
  fluff you up and get you going. I mean they're nice and all, but
  stubborn persistence regardless.
 
  And besides, we'd not have much of this stuff if it weren't for
  some
  renegades with stubborn idears. You know, the Internet Cowboys.
  Guys
  who would crowbar their ways onto the rooftops of bank hi-rises
  just
  to set up satellite dishes and offer wireless internet when most
  people never even heard of broadband. Or rent a back hoe and chaw
  through public streets without permit to run copper. Back in the
  1990's. Those types. Where would we be now?
 
  The thing I'm missing in your proposal - I can't see the nookie. I
  mean, are users getting a higher quality of selection of tweets
  because you do the Turing exam? Or are they going to get more
  followers because you have a pool of twitters at the other end
  waiting
  for them? (because of the quality of feed).
 
  Suppose you have two twitter users who are each working on a web 2.0
  startup and would like to increase the number of their twitter
  followers to better their chances of startup success.
 
  They could go to this service to increase their followers.
 
  So in using this service, they find each other.  Even though they
  don't necessarily want to increase the number of people they follow,
  they might discover cool tweets that they would like to see anyway.
 
  And so they end up following each other, even though it was not
  their
  intent to follow more people.
 
  Amir
 
 
 
 
 
  Not cutting, just trying to understand.
 
  Waitman
 
  On Dec 8, 7:11 pm, Amir Michail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 9:20 PM, Waitman Gobble
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  ...
 
  Anyways, back to the original topic.
 
  I don't understand WHERE these Them are going to submit. (re:
  original post). I guess that's what I'm missing.
 
  Waitman
 
  At the service using the twitter API that I'm thinking of
  building.  I
  didn't realize this idea was so difficult to understand though.
  Maybe
  I shouldn't even try...
 
  Amir
 
  On Dec 8, 5:54 pm, Cameron Kaiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  It's because people who are new, or considered new due to few
  posts, are
  automatically put in the moderation queue.
  spam, which I'm sure
 
  --http://b4utweet.comhttp://chatbotgame.comhttp://numbrosia.comhttp
  ://t...
 
  --http://b4utweet.comhttp://chatbotgame.comhttp://
  numbrosia.comhttp://twitter.com/amichail
 
 
 
 
 
  --
  http://b4utweet.com
  http://chatbotgame.com
  http://numbrosia.com
  http://twitter.com/amichail
 
 
  
 



 --
 http://b4utweet.com
 http://chatbotgame.com
 http://numbrosia.com
 http://twitter.com/amichail


 




-- 
http://b4utweet.com
http://chatbotgame.com
http://numbrosia.com
http://twitter.com/amichail


Re: Using CAPTCHAs to get more followers on twitter.

2008-12-09 Thread Stut


On 9 Dec 2008, at 18:41, Andrew Badera wrote:

define huge.

I'm not famous, but have almost 2000 followers.

early adopters probably have an easier time accruing large numbers  
of followers, as do celebrities, but fame is certainly not a  
requirement.


Absolutely. Be interesting, that's all it takes. And since everyone  
deems interesting as something different it's not as hard as it  
sounds. And huge is what you define it to be. If you're using Twitter  
purely to get followers, IMHO you're not worth following. It's not a  
popularity contest.


If you feel the need to force it, are you really providing value to  
others?


Speaking of popularity contests, my latest Twitter-based project is  
currently in private(ish) beta. To check it out sign up to the  
following Google Group for access details: http://groups.google.com/group/twitorfit 
 - launching publicly at Twinterval on Monday.


-Stut

On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 1:38 PM, Amir Michail [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:


On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 1:36 PM, Stut [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 9 Dec 2008, at 18:04, Amir Michail wrote:
 On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 11:32 AM, jstrellner
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 To me, this sounds like MLM, based off of twitter, just slightly
 modified.  If you want to go this route, why not just say, if you
 follow me, I'll follow you and we'll both get higher numbers.  
Maybe

 you'll like what I have to say too.

 How do you do this without spamming a huge number of people?  Why  
do
 you think many people would look at your twitter page to read  
such a

 message?

 In my experience the best way to get new followers is not to ask for
 them, either directly or through using any service with the sole
 purpose of allowing you to pimp yourself as worth following. If  
you're

 worth following people will follow. It's then up to you whether you
 reciprocate or not. Personally I look their last few pages and  
base my
 decision on that. If I'm not interested in that then there's no  
value

 in my following them.

How many people has this worked for?  From what I understand, people
with a huge number of followers on twitter were already famous before
using twitter.

Amir


 But that's just the way I see it.

 -Stut

 --
 http://stut.net/
 http://twitter.com/stut


 Honestly though, this completely misses the whole point of  
Twitter.


 On Dec 8, 7:51 pm, Amir Michail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 10:31 PM, Waitman Gobble
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Well, if you're like me you don't really need any cheerleaders  
to

 fluff you up and get you going. I mean they're nice and all, but
 stubborn persistence regardless.

 And besides, we'd not have much of this stuff if it weren't for
 some
 renegades with stubborn idears. You know, the Internet Cowboys.
 Guys
 who would crowbar their ways onto the rooftops of bank hi-rises
 just
 to set up satellite dishes and offer wireless internet when most
 people never even heard of broadband. Or rent a back hoe and  
chaw

 through public streets without permit to run copper. Back in the
 1990's. Those types. Where would we be now?

 The thing I'm missing in your proposal - I can't see the  
nookie. I

 mean, are users getting a higher quality of selection of tweets
 because you do the Turing exam? Or are they going to get more
 followers because you have a pool of twitters at the other end
 waiting
 for them? (because of the quality of feed).

 Suppose you have two twitter users who are each working on a  
web 2.0

 startup and would like to increase the number of their twitter
 followers to better their chances of startup success.

 They could go to this service to increase their followers.

 So in using this service, they find each other.  Even though they
 don't necessarily want to increase the number of people they  
follow,
 they might discover cool tweets that they would like to see  
anyway.


 And so they end up following each other, even though it was not
 their
 intent to follow more people.

 Amir





 Not cutting, just trying to understand.

 Waitman

 On Dec 8, 7:11 pm, Amir Michail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 9:20 PM, Waitman Gobble
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 ...

 Anyways, back to the original topic.

 I don't understand WHERE these Them are going to submit.  
(re:

 original post). I guess that's what I'm missing.

 Waitman

 At the service using the twitter API that I'm thinking of
 building.  I
 didn't realize this idea was so difficult to understand though.
 Maybe
 I shouldn't even try...

 Amir

 On Dec 8, 5:54 pm, Cameron Kaiser [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:

 It's because people who are new, or considered new due to few
 posts, are
 automatically put in the moderation queue.
 spam, which I'm sure

 --http://b4utweet.comhttp://chatbotgame.comhttp://numbrosia.comhttp
 ://t...

 --http://b4utweet.comhttp://chatbotgame.comhttp://
 numbrosia.comhttp://twitter.com/amichail





 --
 http://b4utweet.com
 http://chatbotgame.com
 

Re: Using CAPTCHAs to get more followers on twitter.

2008-12-09 Thread Andrew Badera
It sounds/feels like you're trying to force it, like you're imposing an
artificial, redundant structure on top of Twitter ...

But why don't you go ahead and implement it and show us all how it works,
how effective it is?

Less talk, more do.



On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 1:55 PM, Amir Michail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 1:49 PM, Stut [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  On 9 Dec 2008, at 18:41, Andrew Badera wrote:
  define huge.
 
  I'm not famous, but have almost 2000 followers.
 
  early adopters probably have an easier time accruing large numbers
  of followers, as do celebrities, but fame is certainly not a
  requirement.
 
  Absolutely. Be interesting, that's all it takes. And since everyone
  deems interesting as something different it's not as hard as it
  sounds. And huge is what you define it to be. If you're using Twitter
  purely to get followers, IMHO you're not worth following. It's not a
  popularity contest.
 
  If you feel the need to force it, are you really providing value to
  others?
 

 I think many of the serious twitter users are tweeting frequently
 because it is part of their job.  They really do need the traffic that
 twitter drives to their web site.

 And so I think there's a real need for a service that helps you
 increase followers, especially ones who might actually find your
 tweets interesting.

 Amir

  Speaking of popularity contests, my latest Twitter-based project is
  currently in private(ish) beta. To check it out sign up to the
  following Google Group for access details:
 http://groups.google.com/group/twitorfit
   - launching publicly at Twinterval on Monday.
 
  -Stut
 
  On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 1:38 PM, Amir Michail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
 
  On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 1:36 PM, Stut [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   On 9 Dec 2008, at 18:04, Amir Michail wrote:
   On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 11:32 AM, jstrellner
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   To me, this sounds like MLM, based off of twitter, just slightly
   modified.  If you want to go this route, why not just say, if you
   follow me, I'll follow you and we'll both get higher numbers.
  Maybe
   you'll like what I have to say too.
  
   How do you do this without spamming a huge number of people?  Why
  do
   you think many people would look at your twitter page to read
  such a
   message?
  
   In my experience the best way to get new followers is not to ask for
   them, either directly or through using any service with the sole
   purpose of allowing you to pimp yourself as worth following. If
  you're
   worth following people will follow. It's then up to you whether you
   reciprocate or not. Personally I look their last few pages and
  base my
   decision on that. If I'm not interested in that then there's no
  value
   in my following them.
 
  How many people has this worked for?  From what I understand, people
  with a huge number of followers on twitter were already famous before
  using twitter.
 
  Amir
 
  
   But that's just the way I see it.
  
   -Stut
  
   --
   http://stut.net/
   http://twitter.com/stut
  
  
   Honestly though, this completely misses the whole point of
  Twitter.
  
   On Dec 8, 7:51 pm, Amir Michail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 10:31 PM, Waitman Gobble
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   Well, if you're like me you don't really need any cheerleaders
  to
   fluff you up and get you going. I mean they're nice and all, but
   stubborn persistence regardless.
  
   And besides, we'd not have much of this stuff if it weren't for
   some
   renegades with stubborn idears. You know, the Internet Cowboys.
   Guys
   who would crowbar their ways onto the rooftops of bank hi-rises
   just
   to set up satellite dishes and offer wireless internet when most
   people never even heard of broadband. Or rent a back hoe and
  chaw
   through public streets without permit to run copper. Back in the
   1990's. Those types. Where would we be now?
  
   The thing I'm missing in your proposal - I can't see the
  nookie. I
   mean, are users getting a higher quality of selection of tweets
   because you do the Turing exam? Or are they going to get more
   followers because you have a pool of twitters at the other end
   waiting
   for them? (because of the quality of feed).
  
   Suppose you have two twitter users who are each working on a
  web 2.0
   startup and would like to increase the number of their twitter
   followers to better their chances of startup success.
  
   They could go to this service to increase their followers.
  
   So in using this service, they find each other.  Even though they
   don't necessarily want to increase the number of people they
  follow,
   they might discover cool tweets that they would like to see
  anyway.
  
   And so they end up following each other, even though it was not
   their
   intent to follow more people.
  
   Amir
  
  
  
  
  
   Not cutting, just trying to understand.
  
   Waitman
  
   On Dec 8, 7:11 pm, 

Re: Using CAPTCHAs to get more followers on twitter.

2008-12-09 Thread Ed Finkler

 And so I think there's a real need for a service that helps you
 increase followers, especially ones who might actually find your
 tweets interesting.

Need seems like a strong word.

--
Ed Finkler
http://funkatron.com
AIM: funka7ron
ICQ: 3922133
Skype: funka7ron


Re: Using CAPTCHAs to get more followers on twitter.

2008-12-09 Thread Emma Persky

The easiest way to get your message out (i.e. have people that read
your tweets) on twitter is to use twitter. That is to say that if you
start interacting with people who are relevant to what you are
interested you will start conversations, and ultimately have more
people to spread your message to.

eg.

I use search.twitter.com or look in the public feed or look for people
my friends are following who are saying interesting things to me. I
@reply to one of their tweets. They @reply back to me because I said
something interesting and worthwhile. Their followers see the @reply,
wonder what it was a reply to, find me, then start following and
@replying me.

And thus twitter expands exponentially (well, sort of).

Start using twitter to have the conversations you are interesting in.
If you engage with interested people, they will listen.

Emma.

On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 6:04 PM, Amir Michail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 11:32 AM, jstrellner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 To me, this sounds like MLM, based off of twitter, just slightly
 modified.  If you want to go this route, why not just say, if you
 follow me, I'll follow you and we'll both get higher numbers. Maybe
 you'll like what I have to say too.

 How do you do this without spamming a huge number of people?  Why do
 you think many people would look at your twitter page to read such a
 message?

 Amir


 Honestly though, this completely misses the whole point of Twitter.

 On Dec 8, 7:51 pm, Amir Michail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 10:31 PM, Waitman Gobble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Well, if you're like me you don't really need any cheerleaders to
  fluff you up and get you going. I mean they're nice and all, but
  stubborn persistence regardless.

  And besides, we'd not have much of this stuff if it weren't for some
  renegades with stubborn idears. You know, the Internet Cowboys. Guys
  who would crowbar their ways onto the rooftops of bank hi-rises just
  to set up satellite dishes and offer wireless internet when most
  people never even heard of broadband. Or rent a back hoe and chaw
  through public streets without permit to run copper. Back in the
  1990's. Those types. Where would we be now?

  The thing I'm missing in your proposal - I can't see the nookie. I
  mean, are users getting a higher quality of selection of tweets
  because you do the Turing exam? Or are they going to get more
  followers because you have a pool of twitters at the other end waiting
  for them? (because of the quality of feed).

 Suppose you have two twitter users who are each working on a web 2.0
 startup and would like to increase the number of their twitter
 followers to better their chances of startup success.

 They could go to this service to increase their followers.

 So in using this service, they find each other.  Even though they
 don't necessarily want to increase the number of people they follow,
 they might discover cool tweets that they would like to see anyway.

 And so they end up following each other, even though it was not their
 intent to follow more people.

 Amir





  Not cutting, just trying to understand.

  Waitman

  On Dec 8, 7:11 pm, Amir Michail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 9:20 PM, Waitman Gobble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   ...

   Anyways, back to the original topic.

   I don't understand WHERE these Them are going to submit. (re:
   original post). I guess that's what I'm missing.

   Waitman

  At the service using the twitter API that I'm thinking of building.  I
  didn't realize this idea was so difficult to understand though.  Maybe
  I shouldn't even try...

  Amir

   On Dec 8, 5:54 pm, Cameron Kaiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   It's because people who are new, or considered new due to few posts, 
   are
   automatically put in the moderation queue.
   spam, which I'm sure

  --http://b4utweet.comhttp://chatbotgame.comhttp://numbrosia.comhttp://t...

 --http://b4utweet.comhttp://chatbotgame.comhttp://numbrosia.comhttp://twitter.com/amichail
 




 --
 http://b4utweet.com
 http://chatbotgame.com
 http://numbrosia.com
 http://twitter.com/amichail



Re: Using CAPTCHAs to get more followers on twitter.

2008-12-09 Thread Stut


On 9 Dec 2008, at 18:55, Amir Michail wrote:

On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 1:49 PM, Stut [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


On 9 Dec 2008, at 18:41, Andrew Badera wrote:

define huge.

I'm not famous, but have almost 2000 followers.

early adopters probably have an easier time accruing large numbers
of followers, as do celebrities, but fame is certainly not a
requirement.


Absolutely. Be interesting, that's all it takes. And since everyone
deems interesting as something different it's not as hard as it
sounds. And huge is what you define it to be. If you're using Twitter
purely to get followers, IMHO you're not worth following. It's not a
popularity contest.

If you feel the need to force it, are you really providing value to
others?



I think many of the serious twitter users are tweeting frequently
because it is part of their job.  They really do need the traffic that
twitter drives to their web site.

And so I think there's a real need for a service that helps you
increase followers, especially ones who might actually find your
tweets interesting.


As with other people on the list I encourage you to develop something  
if you believe it will add value to the Twitter ecosystem. However,  
based on your description of what you're thinking I think you would  
benefit from reversing the PR pitch to helping users find people to  
follow rather than helping users get followers. It's a much better  
proposition.


-Stut


Speaking of popularity contests, my latest Twitter-based project is
currently in private(ish) beta. To check it out sign up to the
following Google Group for access details: 
http://groups.google.com/group/twitorfit
- launching publicly at Twinterval on Monday.

-Stut


On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 1:38 PM, Amir Michail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 1:36 PM, Stut [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


On 9 Dec 2008, at 18:04, Amir Michail wrote:

On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 11:32 AM, jstrellner
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


To me, this sounds like MLM, based off of twitter, just slightly
modified.  If you want to go this route, why not just say, if  
you

follow me, I'll follow you and we'll both get higher numbers.

Maybe

you'll like what I have to say too.


How do you do this without spamming a huge number of people?  Why

do

you think many people would look at your twitter page to read

such a

message?


In my experience the best way to get new followers is not to ask  
for

them, either directly or through using any service with the sole
purpose of allowing you to pimp yourself as worth following. If

you're

worth following people will follow. It's then up to you whether you
reciprocate or not. Personally I look their last few pages and

base my

decision on that. If I'm not interested in that then there's no

value

in my following them.


How many people has this worked for?  From what I understand, people
with a huge number of followers on twitter were already famous  
before

using twitter.

Amir



But that's just the way I see it.

-Stut

--
http://stut.net/
http://twitter.com/stut



Honestly though, this completely misses the whole point of

Twitter.


On Dec 8, 7:51 pm, Amir Michail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 10:31 PM, Waitman Gobble
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Well, if you're like me you don't really need any cheerleaders

to
fluff you up and get you going. I mean they're nice and all,  
but

stubborn persistence regardless.



And besides, we'd not have much of this stuff if it weren't for
some
renegades with stubborn idears. You know, the Internet Cowboys.
Guys
who would crowbar their ways onto the rooftops of bank hi-rises
just
to set up satellite dishes and offer wireless internet when  
most

people never even heard of broadband. Or rent a back hoe and

chaw
through public streets without permit to run copper. Back in  
the

1990's. Those types. Where would we be now?



The thing I'm missing in your proposal - I can't see the

nookie. I

mean, are users getting a higher quality of selection of tweets
because you do the Turing exam? Or are they going to get more
followers because you have a pool of twitters at the other end
waiting
for them? (because of the quality of feed).


Suppose you have two twitter users who are each working on a

web 2.0

startup and would like to increase the number of their twitter
followers to better their chances of startup success.

They could go to this service to increase their followers.

So in using this service, they find each other.  Even though  
they

don't necessarily want to increase the number of people they

follow,

they might discover cool tweets that they would like to see

anyway.


And so they end up following each other, even though it was not
their
intent to follow more people.

Amir






Not cutting, just trying to understand.



Waitman



On Dec 8, 7:11 pm, Amir Michail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 9:20 PM, Waitman Gobble
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

...



Anyways, back to the original topic.


Re: Using CAPTCHAs to get more followers on twitter.

2008-12-09 Thread Anthony Papillion
Amir,

I think I'm *kind of* getting why/how this might be useful to a certain
segment of Twitter users. Personally, I think the best route would be to
implement it so we could all 'get it' and that might help us all see the
light.

It does sound interesting...

Warmly,
Anthony Papillion
Twitter: www.twitter.com/cajuntechie

   http://who.godaddy.com/whoischeck.aspx?Domain=ULOOP.COM


Re: Using CAPTCHAs to get more followers on twitter.

2008-12-09 Thread DustyReagan

The way I understand it, you want to create a CAPTCHA that uses the
twitter API. The CAPTCHA itself would be used anywhere someone needs a
CAPTCHA. Like my websites email newsletter signup. So the point of the
thing is to be and function as CAPTCHA. But instead of picking out
kittens, or reading letters, people would see a few of my tweets. So,
it's just one more spot to expose the user to my brand.

Did I get that right Amir?

If so, it sounds cool. If I, as a developer, need to setup a CAPTCHA
for whatever site I'm working on. It might as well be one that could
help my brand. (Aka possibly gain my Twitter account more followers.)

Dusty

On Dec 8, 9:51 pm, Amir Michail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 10:31 PM, Waitman Gobble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Well, if you're like me you don't really need any cheerleaders to
  fluff you up and get you going. I mean they're nice and all, but
  stubborn persistence regardless.

  And besides, we'd not have much of this stuff if it weren't for some
  renegades with stubborn idears. You know, the Internet Cowboys. Guys
  who would crowbar their ways onto the rooftops of bank hi-rises just
  to set up satellite dishes and offer wireless internet when most
  people never even heard of broadband. Or rent a back hoe and chaw
  through public streets without permit to run copper. Back in the
  1990's. Those types. Where would we be now?

  The thing I'm missing in your proposal - I can't see the nookie. I
  mean, are users getting a higher quality of selection of tweets
  because you do the Turing exam? Or are they going to get more
  followers because you have a pool of twitters at the other end waiting
  for them? (because of the quality of feed).

 Suppose you have two twitter users who are each working on a web 2.0
 startup and would like to increase the number of their twitter
 followers to better their chances of startup success.

 They could go to this service to increase their followers.

 So in using this service, they find each other.  Even though they
 don't necessarily want to increase the number of people they follow,
 they might discover cool tweets that they would like to see anyway.

 And so they end up following each other, even though it was not their
 intent to follow more people.

 Amir





  Not cutting, just trying to understand.

  Waitman

  On Dec 8, 7:11 pm, Amir Michail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 9:20 PM, Waitman Gobble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   ...

   Anyways, back to the original topic.

   I don't understand WHERE these Them are going to submit. (re:
   original post). I guess that's what I'm missing.

   Waitman

  At the service using the twitter API that I'm thinking of building.  I
  didn't realize this idea was so difficult to understand though.  Maybe
  I shouldn't even try...

  Amir

   On Dec 8, 5:54 pm, Cameron Kaiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   It's because people who are new, or considered new due to few posts, are
   automatically put in the moderation queue.
   spam, which I'm sure

  --http://b4utweet.comhttp://chatbotgame.comhttp://numbrosia.comhttp://t...

 --http://b4utweet.comhttp://chatbotgame.comhttp://numbrosia.comhttp://twitter.com/amichail


Re: Using CAPTCHAs to get more followers on twitter.

2008-12-09 Thread Chad Etzel
Now *that* could be interesting... creating an CAPTCHA API that uses
twitter's API... not exactly what Amir is proposing (I don't think...), but
that would be a cool use of tweets, perhaps...
-Chad

On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 3:26 PM, DustyReagan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 The way I understand it, you want to create a CAPTCHA that uses the
 twitter API. The CAPTCHA itself would be used anywhere someone needs a
 CAPTCHA. Like my websites email newsletter signup. So the point of the
 thing is to be and function as CAPTCHA. But instead of picking out
 kittens, or reading letters, people would see a few of my tweets. So,
 it's just one more spot to expose the user to my brand.

 Did I get that right Amir?

 If so, it sounds cool. If I, as a developer, need to setup a CAPTCHA
 for whatever site I'm working on. It might as well be one that could
 help my brand. (Aka possibly gain my Twitter account more followers.)

 Dusty

 On Dec 8, 9:51 pm, Amir Michail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 10:31 PM, Waitman Gobble [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
   Well, if you're like me you don't really need any cheerleaders to
   fluff you up and get you going. I mean they're nice and all, but
   stubborn persistence regardless.
 
   And besides, we'd not have much of this stuff if it weren't for some
   renegades with stubborn idears. You know, the Internet Cowboys. Guys
   who would crowbar their ways onto the rooftops of bank hi-rises just
   to set up satellite dishes and offer wireless internet when most
   people never even heard of broadband. Or rent a back hoe and chaw
   through public streets without permit to run copper. Back in the
   1990's. Those types. Where would we be now?
 
   The thing I'm missing in your proposal - I can't see the nookie. I
   mean, are users getting a higher quality of selection of tweets
   because you do the Turing exam? Or are they going to get more
   followers because you have a pool of twitters at the other end waiting
   for them? (because of the quality of feed).
 
  Suppose you have two twitter users who are each working on a web 2.0
  startup and would like to increase the number of their twitter
  followers to better their chances of startup success.
 
  They could go to this service to increase their followers.
 
  So in using this service, they find each other.  Even though they
  don't necessarily want to increase the number of people they follow,
  they might discover cool tweets that they would like to see anyway.
 
  And so they end up following each other, even though it was not their
  intent to follow more people.
 
  Amir
 
 
 
 
 
   Not cutting, just trying to understand.
 
   Waitman
 
   On Dec 8, 7:11 pm, Amir Michail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 9:20 PM, Waitman Gobble [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
...
 
Anyways, back to the original topic.
 
I don't understand WHERE these Them are going to submit. (re:
original post). I guess that's what I'm missing.
 
Waitman
 
   At the service using the twitter API that I'm thinking of building.  I
   didn't realize this idea was so difficult to understand though.  Maybe
   I shouldn't even try...
 
   Amir
 
On Dec 8, 5:54 pm, Cameron Kaiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's because people who are new, or considered new due to few
 posts, are
automatically put in the moderation queue.
spam, which I'm sure
 
   --http:/
 /b4utweet.comhttp://chatbotgame.comhttp://numbrosia.comhttp://t...
 
  --http://b4utweet.comhttp://chatbotgame.comhttp://numbrosia.comhttp://
 twitter.com/amichail



Re: Using CAPTCHAs to get more followers on twitter.

2008-12-09 Thread Amir Michail

On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 3:26 PM, DustyReagan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The way I understand it, you want to create a CAPTCHA that uses the
 twitter API. The CAPTCHA itself would be used anywhere someone needs a
 CAPTCHA. Like my websites email newsletter signup. So the point of the
 thing is to be and function as CAPTCHA. But instead of picking out
 kittens, or reading letters, people would see a few of my tweets. So,
 it's just one more spot to expose the user to my brand.

 Did I get that right Amir?

I wasn't thinking of using it that way.  I was thinking of this as
being a different use of CAPTCHAs that has nothing to do with
security.

But sure, you can combine (security) CAPTCHAs with advertising.

Amir


 If so, it sounds cool. If I, as a developer, need to setup a CAPTCHA
 for whatever site I'm working on. It might as well be one that could
 help my brand. (Aka possibly gain my Twitter account more followers.)

 Dusty

 On Dec 8, 9:51 pm, Amir Michail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 10:31 PM, Waitman Gobble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Well, if you're like me you don't really need any cheerleaders to
  fluff you up and get you going. I mean they're nice and all, but
  stubborn persistence regardless.

  And besides, we'd not have much of this stuff if it weren't for some
  renegades with stubborn idears. You know, the Internet Cowboys. Guys
  who would crowbar their ways onto the rooftops of bank hi-rises just
  to set up satellite dishes and offer wireless internet when most
  people never even heard of broadband. Or rent a back hoe and chaw
  through public streets without permit to run copper. Back in the
  1990's. Those types. Where would we be now?

  The thing I'm missing in your proposal - I can't see the nookie. I
  mean, are users getting a higher quality of selection of tweets
  because you do the Turing exam? Or are they going to get more
  followers because you have a pool of twitters at the other end waiting
  for them? (because of the quality of feed).

 Suppose you have two twitter users who are each working on a web 2.0
 startup and would like to increase the number of their twitter
 followers to better their chances of startup success.

 They could go to this service to increase their followers.

 So in using this service, they find each other.  Even though they
 don't necessarily want to increase the number of people they follow,
 they might discover cool tweets that they would like to see anyway.

 And so they end up following each other, even though it was not their
 intent to follow more people.

 Amir





  Not cutting, just trying to understand.

  Waitman

  On Dec 8, 7:11 pm, Amir Michail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 9:20 PM, Waitman Gobble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   ...

   Anyways, back to the original topic.

   I don't understand WHERE these Them are going to submit. (re:
   original post). I guess that's what I'm missing.

   Waitman

  At the service using the twitter API that I'm thinking of building.  I
  didn't realize this idea was so difficult to understand though.  Maybe
  I shouldn't even try...

  Amir

   On Dec 8, 5:54 pm, Cameron Kaiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   It's because people who are new, or considered new due to few posts, 
   are
   automatically put in the moderation queue.
   spam, which I'm sure

  --http://b4utweet.comhttp://chatbotgame.comhttp://numbrosia.comhttp://t...

 --http://b4utweet.comhttp://chatbotgame.comhttp://numbrosia.comhttp://twitter.com/amichail
 




-- 
http://b4utweet.com
http://chatbotgame.com
http://numbrosia.com
http://twitter.com/amichail


Re: Using CAPTCHAs to get more followers on twitter.

2008-12-09 Thread Amir Michail

On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 3:33 PM, Amir Michail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 3:26 PM, DustyReagan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The way I understand it, you want to create a CAPTCHA that uses the
 twitter API. The CAPTCHA itself would be used anywhere someone needs a
 CAPTCHA. Like my websites email newsletter signup. So the point of the
 thing is to be and function as CAPTCHA. But instead of picking out
 kittens, or reading letters, people would see a few of my tweets. So,
 it's just one more spot to expose the user to my brand.

 Did I get that right Amir?

 I wasn't thinking of using it that way.  I was thinking of this as
 being a different use of CAPTCHAs that has nothing to do with
 security.

 But sure, you can combine (security) CAPTCHAs with advertising.

 Amir

BTW, I've been using the term CAPTCHA incorrectly.  It stands for
Completely Automated Public Turing test to tell Computers and Humans
Apart.

What I describe here isn't automated.  Users must submit a question to
test comprehension of their tweet selection.

But like a CAPTCHA, we want to make sure this is not a computer (or
mindless clicking by a human).

Amir



 If so, it sounds cool. If I, as a developer, need to setup a CAPTCHA
 for whatever site I'm working on. It might as well be one that could
 help my brand. (Aka possibly gain my Twitter account more followers.)

 Dusty

 On Dec 8, 9:51 pm, Amir Michail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 10:31 PM, Waitman Gobble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Well, if you're like me you don't really need any cheerleaders to
  fluff you up and get you going. I mean they're nice and all, but
  stubborn persistence regardless.

  And besides, we'd not have much of this stuff if it weren't for some
  renegades with stubborn idears. You know, the Internet Cowboys. Guys
  who would crowbar their ways onto the rooftops of bank hi-rises just
  to set up satellite dishes and offer wireless internet when most
  people never even heard of broadband. Or rent a back hoe and chaw
  through public streets without permit to run copper. Back in the
  1990's. Those types. Where would we be now?

  The thing I'm missing in your proposal - I can't see the nookie. I
  mean, are users getting a higher quality of selection of tweets
  because you do the Turing exam? Or are they going to get more
  followers because you have a pool of twitters at the other end waiting
  for them? (because of the quality of feed).

 Suppose you have two twitter users who are each working on a web 2.0
 startup and would like to increase the number of their twitter
 followers to better their chances of startup success.

 They could go to this service to increase their followers.

 So in using this service, they find each other.  Even though they
 don't necessarily want to increase the number of people they follow,
 they might discover cool tweets that they would like to see anyway.

 And so they end up following each other, even though it was not their
 intent to follow more people.

 Amir





  Not cutting, just trying to understand.

  Waitman

  On Dec 8, 7:11 pm, Amir Michail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 9:20 PM, Waitman Gobble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   ...

   Anyways, back to the original topic.

   I don't understand WHERE these Them are going to submit. (re:
   original post). I guess that's what I'm missing.

   Waitman

  At the service using the twitter API that I'm thinking of building.  I
  didn't realize this idea was so difficult to understand though.  Maybe
  I shouldn't even try...

  Amir

   On Dec 8, 5:54 pm, Cameron Kaiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   It's because people who are new, or considered new due to few posts, 
   are
   automatically put in the moderation queue.
   spam, which I'm sure

  --http://b4utweet.comhttp://chatbotgame.comhttp://numbrosia.comhttp://t...

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Re: Subsequent identical messages ignored?

2008-12-09 Thread Alex Payne

I've updated the docs.  There's no limit per se, we just discard
statuses with text that are identical to the updating user's current
status text.  So, don't post foo bar baz twice in a row, as it's not
guaranteed to post.

On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 22:38, Corey Menscher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 No documentation update yet...can you please just tell me what the
 subsequent update limit is so I can update my code to prevent
 redundant posts?  In the meantime I'm going to limit identical posts
 to no more than one a minute. (Don't worry, I don't expect the app to
 update nearly that often...but it may happen while testing.)


 On Dec 6, 6:34 pm, Alex Payne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It's not new, and we haven't had any other reports of updates lagging.

 On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 15:25, tweetip [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I've been guessing this new check is why posting an update is taking
  so long?

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Change to Twitter API?

2008-12-09 Thread itcn

This used to work for unauthenticated users to display statuses_count
and now it doesn't:

http://twitter.com/users/show/(screen_name).xml

Any reason this was changed recently?   Is there another way to access
a user's status count (preferably without requiring the user's
authentication)?



Updates and the following thereof

2008-12-09 Thread Alex Payne

Some time ago, I set up a Twitter account to inform developers of
changes to the API.  That account had languished somewhat, but I've
brought it back as @twitterapi (http://twitter.com/twitterapi).  You
may want to follow this user for handy API updates.

Speaking of which, we've deployed a number of fixes over the past
couple days, and more are coming.  Check out
http://apiwiki.twitter.com/REST+API+Changelog for the details.

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Re: Change to Twitter API?

2008-12-09 Thread Alex Payne

This is a temporary issue.

On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 14:47, itcn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 This used to work for unauthenticated users to display statuses_count
 and now it doesn't:

 http://twitter.com/users/show/(screen_name).xml

 Any reason this was changed recently?   Is there another way to access
 a user's status count (preferably without requiring the user's
 authentication)?





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Re: Change to Twitter API?

2008-12-09 Thread Alex Payne

Apologies once again.  We introduced a regression as part of another
bug fix.  We're doing an emergency deploy right now, so the correct
behavior should be live again shortly.

On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 14:59, Alex Payne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 This is a temporary issue.

 On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 14:47, itcn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 This used to work for unauthenticated users to display statuses_count
 and now it doesn't:

 http://twitter.com/users/show/(screen_name).xml

 Any reason this was changed recently?   Is there another way to access
 a user's status count (preferably without requiring the user's
 authentication)?





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 http://twitter.com/al3x




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What happened to users background API

2008-12-09 Thread DustyReagan

Show User use to return the following, but it seems not to anymore.
Are they gone for good or moved?

profile_background_color
profile_text_color
profile_link_color
profile_sidebar_fill_color
profile_sidebar_border_color
profile_background_image_url
profile_background_tile

Dusty


Re: What happened to users background API

2008-12-09 Thread Alex Payne

Please see the recently updated thread about this issue.  It's a
temporary error that these attributes are missing, and we're fixing it
right now.

On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 15:50, DustyReagan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Show User use to return the following, but it seems not to anymore.
 Are they gone for good or moved?

 profile_background_color
 profile_text_color
 profile_link_color
 profile_sidebar_fill_color
 profile_sidebar_border_color
 profile_background_image_url
 profile_background_tile

 Dusty




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Re: What happened to users background API

2008-12-09 Thread DustyReagan

Right on. Thanks!

On Dec 9, 5:53 pm, Alex Payne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Please see the recently updated thread about this issue.  It's a
 temporary error that these attributes are missing, and we're fixing it
 right now.

 On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 15:50, DustyReagan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Show User use to return the following, but it seems not to anymore.
  Are they gone for good or moved?

  profile_background_color
  profile_text_color
  profile_link_color
  profile_sidebar_fill_color
  profile_sidebar_border_color
  profile_background_image_url
  profile_background_tile

  Dusty

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Re: Change to Twitter API?

2008-12-09 Thread itcn

Alex;
Thanks for the prompt response and updates!!  Thanks for all you guys
do,
Barry

On Dec 9, 6:48 pm, Alex Payne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Apologies once again.  We introduced a regression as part of another
 bug fix.  We're doing an emergency deploy right now, so the correct
 behavior should be live again shortly.





 On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 14:59, Alex Payne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  This is a temporary issue.

  On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 14:47, itcn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  This used to work for unauthenticated users to display statuses_count
  and now it doesn't:

 http://twitter.com/users/show/(screen_name).xml

  Any reason this was changed recently?   Is there another way to access
  a user's status count (preferably without requiring the user's
  authentication)?

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 http://twitter.com/al3x

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