Re: [twitter-dev] Re: Update on Twifficiency
its not my reply dear i want the complete api and code to share my website images to my twitter account thanking you On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 3:16 AM, Daniel Ribeiro dan...@gmail.com wrote: It would be nice to have something that make things clearer to the user that the requesting app is requesting write rights. Like a big red warning on the Deny/allow page. On Aug 18, 6:17 pm, Tom van der Woerdt i...@tvdw.eu wrote: +1 On 8/18/10 10:55 PM, Eric Marden - API Hacker wrote: On behalf of the Internet. Thank you. ~e On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Brian Sutorius bsutor...@twitter.com mailto:bsutor...@twitter.com wrote: Hi all, Over the past 24 hours, we've received some questions about the Twifficiency app, so we thought we'd use this as an opportunity to quickly share some information around our Developer Principles. For background, the Twifficiency app computes a Twifficiency score based on different aspects of your Twitter account and posts the score as a Tweet. While the developer included a disclaimer that these Tweets would be posted to Twitter, user feedback indicated that the text was too far down on the page to be noticed before proceeding. As a result, many users were surprised that their scores were being tweeted automatically. Which brings us to our Developer Principles, one of which is Don't surprise users. Specifically, we require developers to get users' permission before sending Tweets or other messages on their behalf. Allowing an application to access your account does not constitute consent for actions to automatically be taken on your behalf. Twifficiency violated this principle, so we suspended the app yesterday afternoon while we worked with the developer to make sure users were better informed about the application's actions and could control whether or not a Tweet would be posted. With these changes --which include a more prominent warning and a checkbox on the main page-- the application has been re-enabled. Our developer principles can be found in our API Terms of Service: http://dev.twitter.com/pages/api_terms Brian Sutorius API Policy -- Amandeep Singh Software Engineer +919990834436
[twitter-dev] Re: Update on Twifficiency
It would be nice to have something that make things clearer to the user that the requesting app is requesting write rights. Like a big red warning on the Deny/allow page. On Aug 18, 6:17 pm, Tom van der Woerdt i...@tvdw.eu wrote: +1 On 8/18/10 10:55 PM, Eric Marden - API Hacker wrote: On behalf of the Internet. Thank you. ~e On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Brian Sutorius bsutor...@twitter.com mailto:bsutor...@twitter.com wrote: Hi all, Over the past 24 hours, we've received some questions about the Twifficiency app, so we thought we'd use this as an opportunity to quickly share some information around our Developer Principles. For background, the Twifficiency app computes a Twifficiency score based on different aspects of your Twitter account and posts the score as a Tweet. While the developer included a disclaimer that these Tweets would be posted to Twitter, user feedback indicated that the text was too far down on the page to be noticed before proceeding. As a result, many users were surprised that their scores were being tweeted automatically. Which brings us to our Developer Principles, one of which is Don't surprise users. Specifically, we require developers to get users' permission before sending Tweets or other messages on their behalf. Allowing an application to access your account does not constitute consent for actions to automatically be taken on your behalf. Twifficiency violated this principle, so we suspended the app yesterday afternoon while we worked with the developer to make sure users were better informed about the application's actions and could control whether or not a Tweet would be posted. With these changes --which include a more prominent warning and a checkbox on the main page-- the application has been re-enabled. Our developer principles can be found in our API Terms of Service: http://dev.twitter.com/pages/api_terms Brian Sutorius API Policy
Re: [twitter-dev] Re: Update on Twifficiency
+1 ... see previous email ... although I don't think Twitter necessarily needs to do that - it's really the app developer's responsibility to document what it's supposed to do and how to tell when it's misbehaving. -- M. Edward (Ed) Borasky http://borasky-research.net http://twitter.com/znmeb A mathematician is a device for turning coffee into theorems. - Paul Erdos Quoting Daniel Ribeiro dan...@gmail.com: It would be nice to have something that make things clearer to the user that the requesting app is requesting write rights. Like a big red warning on the Deny/allow page. On Aug 18, 6:17 pm, Tom van der Woerdt i...@tvdw.eu wrote: +1 On 8/18/10 10:55 PM, Eric Marden - API Hacker wrote: On behalf of the Internet. Thank you. ~e On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Brian Sutorius bsutor...@twitter.com mailto:bsutor...@twitter.com wrote: Hi all, Over the past 24 hours, we've received some questions about the Twifficiency app, so we thought we'd use this as an opportunity to quickly share some information around our Developer Principles. For background, the Twifficiency app computes a Twifficiency score based on different aspects of your Twitter account and posts the score as a Tweet. While the developer included a disclaimer that these Tweets would be posted to Twitter, user feedback indicated that the text was too far down on the page to be noticed before proceeding. As a result, many users were surprised that their scores were being tweeted automatically. Which brings us to our Developer Principles, one of which is Don't surprise users. Specifically, we require developers to get users' permission before sending Tweets or other messages on their behalf. Allowing an application to access your account does not constitute consent for actions to automatically be taken on your behalf. Twifficiency violated this principle, so we suspended the app yesterday afternoon while we worked with the developer to make sure users were better informed about the application's actions and could control whether or not a Tweet would be posted. With these changes --which include a more prominent warning and a checkbox on the main page-- the application has been re-enabled. Our developer principles can be found in our API Terms of Service: http://dev.twitter.com/pages/api_terms Brian Sutorius API Policy
[twitter-dev] Re: Update on Twifficiency
What I'd actually like to see is some granularity in the oAuth permissions that go beyond binary has complete access: DENY|ALLOW, and this would also solve this problem. Surprising users when an app auto-tweets is one thing, but I'm more concerned about a given app reading my DM's, for example (which I wouldn't know about, thus no 'surprise' but still bad). I would urge Twitter to look at Flickr's oAuth (well 'oAuth style') auth which lets users dictate the level of access a given app is allowed and even let developers appropriately request only the right level they need. Twifficiency technically only needed read-only access to my public tweets (ok, it wouldn't have had the viral aspect). If when I oAuthed for it the twitter landing page said: Give app Twifficiency access to the following on your account? : [x] public tweets [ ] send tweets [ ] read direct messages This seems more appropriate but would also deal with the issue of surprising auto-tweets when the app developer doesn't highlight it up front. What do people think? Thanks, Ben Metcalfe On Aug 18, 1:45 pm, Brian Sutorius bsutor...@twitter.com wrote: Hi all, Over the past 24 hours, we've received some questions about the Twifficiency app, so we thought we'd use this as an opportunity to quickly share some information around our Developer Principles. For background, the Twifficiency app computes a Twifficiency score based on different aspects of your Twitter account and posts the score as a Tweet. While the developer included a disclaimer that these Tweets would be posted to Twitter, user feedback indicated that the text was too far down on the page to be noticed before proceeding. As a result, many users were surprised that their scores were being tweeted automatically. Which brings us to our Developer Principles, one of which is Don't surprise users. Specifically, we require developers to get users' permission before sending Tweets or other messages on their behalf. Allowing an application to access your account does not constitute consent for actions to automatically be taken on your behalf. Twifficiency violated this principle, so we suspended the app yesterday afternoon while we worked with the developer to make sure users were better informed about the application's actions and could control whether or not a Tweet would be posted. With these changes --which include a more prominent warning and a checkbox on the main page-- the application has been re-enabled. Our developer principles can be found in our API Terms of Service:http://dev.twitter.com/pages/api_terms Brian Sutorius API Policy
Re: [twitter-dev] Re: Update on Twifficiency
My opinion is that twitter is trying to keep it intentionally simple for the benefit of apps. for Joe Regular, more options than allow / deny is going to create confusion and apps will suffer. Its pretty clear that if you tweet on behalf of users without consent there will be confusion/anger and you are at risk of blacklist and its at that point that Twitter should and does intervene, as an ISP would on spam. But before that, I think 2 choices are exactly what should be. On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Ben Metcalfe ben.metca...@gmail.comwrote: What I'd actually like to see is some granularity in the oAuth permissions that go beyond binary has complete access: DENY|ALLOW, and this would also solve this problem. Surprising users when an app auto-tweets is one thing, but I'm more concerned about a given app reading my DM's, for example (which I wouldn't know about, thus no 'surprise' but still bad). I would urge Twitter to look at Flickr's oAuth (well 'oAuth style') auth which lets users dictate the level of access a given app is allowed and even let developers appropriately request only the right level they need. Twifficiency technically only needed read-only access to my public tweets (ok, it wouldn't have had the viral aspect). If when I oAuthed for it the twitter landing page said: Give app Twifficiency access to the following on your account? : [x] public tweets [ ] send tweets [ ] read direct messages This seems more appropriate but would also deal with the issue of surprising auto-tweets when the app developer doesn't highlight it up front. What do people think? Thanks, Ben Metcalfe On Aug 18, 1:45 pm, Brian Sutorius bsutor...@twitter.com wrote: Hi all, Over the past 24 hours, we've received some questions about the Twifficiency app, so we thought we'd use this as an opportunity to quickly share some information around our Developer Principles. For background, the Twifficiency app computes a Twifficiency score based on different aspects of your Twitter account and posts the score as a Tweet. While the developer included a disclaimer that these Tweets would be posted to Twitter, user feedback indicated that the text was too far down on the page to be noticed before proceeding. As a result, many users were surprised that their scores were being tweeted automatically. Which brings us to our Developer Principles, one of which is Don't surprise users. Specifically, we require developers to get users' permission before sending Tweets or other messages on their behalf. Allowing an application to access your account does not constitute consent for actions to automatically be taken on your behalf. Twifficiency violated this principle, so we suspended the app yesterday afternoon while we worked with the developer to make sure users were better informed about the application's actions and could control whether or not a Tweet would be posted. With these changes --which include a more prominent warning and a checkbox on the main page-- the application has been re-enabled. Our developer principles can be found in our API Terms of Service: http://dev.twitter.com/pages/api_terms Brian Sutorius API Policy -- Peter Denton Co-Founder, Product Marketing www.mombo.com cell: (206) 427-3866 twitter @Mombo_movies twitter - personal: @petermdenton
