Re: [U2] MvInternet - IBM Licensing Requirement
What people are doing is through special programs and queuing where they can run several users continuously with several background processes that stay active. This is what IBM has frowned upon. - My brain wiring doesn't allow me to separate this scenario from real life either. None of this falls under the rules of Piracy ie running one Microsoft Word on multiple PCs. That's spreading FUD and is so far off the point cannot be addressed directly. Look at it this way. I have 500 employees and I pay two full time people to do nothing but run reports for whoever dials their extension and makes a request. These two employees are logged in all day, they remember, manage and distribute the hundreds of requests they get all day. That's all they do. Does your scenario suggest I need 500 licenses rather than two? If not, how does this differ from web services running even from within UV? Is the difference human vs. program? I fully understand the loss of revenue to IBM argument. I'm not going to pay taxes I don't owe either. If I can replace a person with a program, a telephone extension with a web interface, I have saved my company money and have cost IBM nothing I didn't owe before. I'm just more productive. I failed ethics in college. I was failing my second attempt until my Professor gave me a clue. The test questions are supposed to be grey he said, your problem is Dean, you don't think like a criminal. And, I'm still confused today. If I replace a person with a program and a telephone extension with a web interface, do I go to jail or get promoted? What I'm hearing is jail. But my brain isn't wired to understand why. -[d]- On 4/18/05, Tony Gravagno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Until I saw Dean's posting I was also going to just let it go. The trigger for me was the equating of multi-user license usage to running multiple copies of software on different systems. Copying software allows more than one person to execute different functions at exactly the same time. All DBMS products are engineered to allow us to perform the following sequential functions: Accept connection and query Read state data from cache or disk Perform operation on all data Write state data to cache or disk Respond to user and disconnect This is the way web servers work and one common way of engineering a disconnected client/server model. There is no physical way that anyone process can perform those functions for two users simultaneously, the way two instances of pirated software does. All users must wait for any user consuming a license to disconnect before they consume the license in their own turn. The terms connect and disconnect may imply logging in or simply going inactive as someone else consumes the license resource - the point is that the way MV platforms are engineered, only one user can make use of the resource at any given moment in time. This use of licenses has a long standing legal precedent, here are two examples: Modems which came into use in 2nd to 3rd generation systems allowed one user to connect and then disconnect, followed by another user who did the same. Per-seat licensing, compared to named user licensing has always acknowleged this paradigm. Today, if we choose to allow one user to consume that license for a period of 2 hours before giving it up, or 200 milliseconds, that is a matter of design. There are no set standards for how long a user must consume a license in order to be considered legal, except where software vendors impose some minimum connect time. Such impositions are considered bad design and virtually no company takes a stance on this because it's technically and politically unreasonable. Software like UniObjects, PDP.NET, mv.NET, ODBC and RPC, are specifically designed to allow software to connect, process, and disconnect as described above. These products and technologies, and many others like them have established a precedent which allows developers to effectively consume licenses with as short a connect time as possible. I have not heard of a single legal case in the IT world, not just the MV market, brought by a DBMS vendor against a VAR/developer for abuse of this common communications design. I think any company that does so would be committing political suicide, if it allowed its developer base to go so long without action, and then all of a sudden claimed that accepted practices and established connectivity products were now in violation of their legal terms. Unless IBM publicly states their position on this topic, takes a developer to court, or just sends a polite please rethink your license consumption note to someone, we will not know how liberal they are about their licensing, regardless of what their license actually says. My guess is that no DBMS company will take action unless there is blatent abuse. Such abuse would probably have to involve exploitation of a bug which
RE: [U2] Unidata dynamic file problem
See the section: File Corruption in the Administering UniData on Unix manual. They don't really get into the specifics of the errors - just the techniques to find and correct problems. There is also some good information on the U2 Survival CD. Hth Colin Alfke Calgary, Canada -Original Message- From: Steven Frost Hi -- has anybody seen a 'long record check error in u_add_record' before? Same again in u_add_group etc. The file is rather large 11GB We are Unidata 5.2.2 on Tru64 Is there a document which explains this sort of error? Thanks Steven Frost --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] MvInternet - IBM Licensing Requirement
I have not heard of a single legal case in the IT world, not just the MV market, brought by a DBMS vendor against a VAR/developer for abuse of this common communications design. I think any company that does so would be committing political suicide, if it allowed its developer base to go so long without action, and then all of a sudden claimed that accepted practices and established connectivity products were now in violation of their legal terms. I am aware of Microsoft doing this. It has done software audits on even large organisations and clobbered then for breaches on SQL Server license. Oracle and IBM have stringent components of their contracts to enable them to do audits. I have had to sign distributor contract with IBM and it stated that they were entitled to investigate my client's sites to ensure that they have proper licenses. As the pressure is on the IT vendors to build revenues and IT spending is down, then sooner or later vendors are going to chase licensing issues to recover revenue. Unless IBM publicly states their position on this topic, takes a developer to court, or just sends a polite please rethink your license consumption note to someone, we will not know how liberal they are about their licensing, regardless of what their license actually says. My guess is that no DBMS company will take action unless there is blatent abuse It is in the licensing contract and a breach of license can lead to criminal charges to Directors. Under SOX one cannot ignore this because one thinks it is unlikely to happen. IBM U2 is not ignoring this area and has already placed restrictions in the use of phantoms to contain this manipulation. Additionally: The examples you give are not the main issue that causes a breach. There are a number of applications where users connect and stay connected but through a 3rd party mechanism that channels tasks through one license to the backend that then distributes to multiple background processes. The intent of this process is not application convenience or style but more an attempt to avoid license fees and many advertise this. It is this avoidance of license revenue that can expose companies legally. I have discussed this issue with both jbase and MvOn as their products talk to Oracle or SQL Server and falls into a similar category where you really only have 1 process accessing the RDBMS, independent of the number of users on jBase or MvOn. Both organisations have very quickly pointed me to Oracle and Microsoft to discuss licensing issues and neither would publicly recommend that companies run using 1 license of Oracle or SQL Server. This is very much on the radar of database vendors. Regards David Jordan --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] MvInternet - IBM Licensing Requirement
Much dittoing I know there have been some changes in the recent versions of U2 to try to prevent the type of multi-plexing that IBM really had a problem with - the use of (unlicensed) phantoms to service these requests. Current versions require phantoms to use a license if they perform certain functions. Perhaps this is where the 10 to 1 figure came in. Each U2 user can start 10 phantoms. I know there is/used to be a 4GL product that ADVERTISED the fact they used phantoms to help eliminate the purchase of DBMS users. I can see the vendors having a problem with that. Hence the recent changes. However, even one of the SVP's at D3 states about the licensing requirements of PDP.net: The less persistent your connection, the more users you can squeeze in. (note trimmed and does not have full context). I doubt the IBM support staff on the list will reply to any of these. Perhaps the user group can lobby IBM to clarify the types of multi-plexing they would have a problem with. Just my .02 CDN Colin Alfke Calgary, Canada -Original Message- From: Tony Gravagno Until I saw Dean's posting I was also going to just let it go. The trigger for me was the equating of multi-user license usage to running multiple copies of software on different systems. Copying software allows more than one person to execute different functions at exactly the same time. [snip] Unless IBM publicly states their position on this topic, takes a developer to court, or just sends a polite please rethink your license consumption note to someone, we will not know how liberal they are about their licensing, regardless of what their license actually says. My guess is that no DBMS company will take action unless there is blatent abuse. [snip] I'd also like to get some real numbers on the table. Some people say you can get 10 users on a single license. Anyone who has implemented a multi-user environment knows this isn't the case because, as stated above, the first user will connect and you'll have 9 people waiting in line afterward. A real high performance remote transaction might take about 250ms, plus or minus depending on network bandwidth, which is still only 4 transactions per second. [snip] Tony Nebula RD --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] MvInternet - IBM Licensing Requirement
Hi Dean I have gone through a number of detailed sessions with Microsoft on issues of Piracy and Microsoft regards improper licensing of database licenses in the same light as running one version of Word on multiple PCs. In my estimation there are probably more companies who have run into trouble with Microsoft over misuse of database license that misuse of Office licenses. Please don't shoot the messenger I am only passing on what I am aware of licensing legalities. The complexities of licensing has to be studied very carefully and is dependent on databases, licensing agreements and methods of use. It is not to say a situation is right or wrong it is a question if it fits the licensing agreement. Unfortunately many people feel that if something is technically possible, then it is legally possible which is not the case. Your examples if you have 500 staff requesting reports from 2 IT people who do the processing then it is obvious 2 users license. Your example of Web Services is difficult. If the database has named licensing then everyone who accesses the database requires a license or you purchase a license per processor. With U2 the licensing is concurrent and the licensing is according to demand. Ie if 100 users could access the system at the same time then you would need a 100 licenses. However if you use a 3rd party product to process the 100 users through 10 licenses then you could fall foul of licensing issues. The other area that may expose you to license issues if you use persistence then you may cross the line again. This is not as simple and clear cut as many may think and it does fall under strict copyright laws. Regards David Jordan --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Hold-file to CSV
How can Basic be limiting. It has everything English (sic) has and so much more. In fact, there are many reports that 'turn the corner' and cannot be done in English and must be done in Basic. - Original Message - From: Dave S [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2005 10:35 PM Subject: Re: [U2] Hold-file to CSV That's the danger of creating reports in Basic. As you can see it's very limiting. Mark Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have my own method of taking English (access etc) statements and creating CSV's. I'm talking about not re-engineering existing report. Thanks. - Original Message - From: Dave S To: Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2005 7:57 PM Subject: Re: [U2] Hold-file to CSV If the reports where written in Uniquery it would be simpler to extract data from them. Have you looked at MVQUERY ? Key Ally wrote: [AD] You can do this with Zeus as well, and Zeus has other advantages which Monarch does not share. (www.MtOlympus.us) [/AD] Roger Glenfield wrote: Monarch from Datawatch. Converts report files into data. Mark Johnson wrote: The whole premise was to use the existing reports that are presently designed and not re-engineer them. Like many systems, this one is full of finished reports (both english and databasic) and the object is to send them to the hold-file and convert from there. I don't want to re-invent the report generation logic, just use the hold files. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ - Do you Yahoo!? Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over 17,000 guides! --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Clarification on FOR...NEXT loops
Jeff, UV/UD do not keep track of which multi-value was last accessed. Only the attribute. Each iteration of the For-Next had to start counting from the beginning of attribute 1 according to your notes below. If you re-run your test with FOR/NEXT/I (instead of 1,I) you should see a significant improvement in the For-Next time. --Ron P. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 9:53 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Clarification on FOR...NEXT loops Taking advice from others on this list, I wrote a small program to compare the execution time of extracting 1 elements from an MV list using FOR/NEXT loop with 1,I delimiters verus using LOOP/WHILE with REMOVE. I should note this was done on Unidata 6.0.3. All the previous comments are still valid - the LOOP/WHILE with REMOVE beats a FOR/NEXT loop dramatically. That is, on an MV list with 1 elements, FOR/NEXT took about 6500 milliseconds while LOOP/WHILE took 15 milliseconds (that's not a typo). I ran the test 10+ times, I reversed the order of the tests and the result was the same every time. So if you need to loop over all elements in an MV list, the LOOP/WHILE/REMOVE structure seems inherently more efficient than the FOR/NEXT/1,I notation. Jeff Butera, Ph.D. Administrative Systems Hampshire College [EMAIL PROTECTED] 413-559-5556 ...our behavior matters more than the beliefs that we profess. Elizabeth Deutsch Earle --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Hold-file to CSV
Is it simpler to change the sort sequence in basic or English ? Is it simple to add subtotals in basic or English ? Is it easier to export data in basic or English ? Mark Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How can Basic be limiting. It has everything English (sic) has and so much more. In fact, there are many reports that 'turn the corner' and cannot be done in English and must be done in Basic. - Original Message - From: Dave S To: Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2005 10:35 PM Subject: Re: [U2] Hold-file to CSV That's the danger of creating reports in Basic. As you can see it's very limiting. Mark Johnson wrote: I have my own method of taking English (access etc) statements and creating CSV's. I'm talking about not re-engineering existing report. Thanks. - Original Message - From: Dave S To: Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2005 7:57 PM Subject: Re: [U2] Hold-file to CSV If the reports where written in Uniquery it would be simpler to extract data from them. Have you looked at MVQUERY ? Key Ally wrote: [AD] You can do this with Zeus as well, and Zeus has other advantages which Monarch does not share. (www.MtOlympus.us) [/AD] Roger Glenfield wrote: Monarch from Datawatch. Converts report files into data. Mark Johnson wrote: The whole premise was to use the existing reports that are presently designed and not re-engineer them. Like many systems, this one is full of finished reports (both english and databasic) and the object is to send them to the hold-file and convert from there. I don't want to re-invent the report generation logic, just use the hold files. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ - Do you Yahoo!? Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over 17,000 guides! --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ - Do you Yahoo!? Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over 17,000 guides! --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] MvInternet - IBM Licensing Requirement
I'm not shooting the messenger. My apologies. What Microsoft says about their licensing they can take up with the EU and other criminal charges they have and will continue to answer too. It's is a separate issue unrelated to my discussion about IBM and their product. As is copyright violation, this is not a discussion of profiting from duplicating software for distribution. My discussion is license consumption as it pertains to IBM and their Universe product. Your examples if you have 500 staff requesting reports from 2 IT people who do the processing then it is obvious 2 user license. Your example of Web Service is difficult. Why? Even though I'm not looking for you answer. I ask to raise a point. With U2 the licensing is concurrent and the licensing is according to demand. Ie if 100 users could access the system at the same time then you would need a 100 licenses. Users that could have access in my example, and actually do thought the IT staff is 500. But it is obvious to you that only 2 licenses are required. I can't imagine a DBMS licensing based upon the number of telephone extensions you have in your building. It appears the separation you make is the difference between a person performing a function and a program performing the same function. If it's two people, two licenses are required. If it's two programs, 500 licenses are required. I'm not convinced the definition of a user license is subjective. At some point I would like to write a Web/UV application. When I do, I will be as productive with my user licenses as CPU cycles allow. In the mean time, our speculations as to what is or is not allowed are just that. I don't separate the functions of a human to the functions of a program as far as licenses are concerned. They're both performing the same tasks, abet one is far more productive than the other. Increasing productivity within a connection (user license) does not relate in my mind a legal requirement for more licenses. It's only my opinion. Perhaps IBM and possibly the courts will give us a definition. On 4/18/05, David Jordan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Dean I have gone through a number of detailed sessions with Microsoft on issues of Piracy and Microsoft regards improper licensing of database licenses in the same light as running one version of Word on multiple PCs. In my estimation there are probably more companies who have run into trouble with Microsoft over misuse of database license that misuse of Office licenses. Please don't shoot the messenger I am only passing on what I am aware of licensing legalities. The complexities of licensing has to be studied very carefully and is dependent on databases, licensing agreements and methods of use. It is not to say a situation is right or wrong it is a question if it fits the licensing agreement. Unfortunately many people feel that if something is technically possible, then it is legally possible which is not the case. Your examples if you have 500 staff requesting reports from 2 IT people who do the processing then it is obvious 2 users license. Your example of Web Services is difficult. If the database has named licensing then everyone who accesses the database requires a license or you purchase a license per processor. With U2 the licensing is concurrent and the licensing is according to demand. Ie if 100 users could access the system at the same time then you would need a 100 licenses. However if you use a 3rd party product to process the 100 users through 10 licenses then you could fall foul of licensing issues. The other area that may expose you to license issues if you use persistence then you may cross the line again. This is not as simple and clear cut as many may think and it does fall under strict copyright laws. Regards David Jordan --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] MvInternet - IBM Licensing Requirement
Could you elaborate on this issue ? breaches on SQL Server license David Jordan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have not heard of a single legal case in the IT world, not just the MV market, brought by a DBMS vendor against a VAR/developer for abuse of this common communications design. I think any company that does so would be committing political suicide, if it allowed its developer base to go so long without action, and then all of a sudden claimed that accepted practices and established connectivity products were now in violation of their legal terms. I am aware of Microsoft doing this. It has done software audits on even large organisations and clobbered then for breaches on SQL Server license. Oracle and IBM have stringent components of their contracts to enable them to do audits. I have had to sign distributor contract with IBM and it stated that they were entitled to investigate my client's sites to ensure that they have proper licenses. As the pressure is on the IT vendors to build revenues and IT spending is down, then sooner or later vendors are going to chase licensing issues to recover revenue. Unless IBM publicly states their position on this topic, takes a developer to court, or just sends a polite please rethink your license consumption note to someone, we will not know how liberal they are about their licensing, regardless of what their license actually says. My guess is that no DBMS company will take action unless there is blatent abuse It is in the licensing contract and a breach of license can lead to criminal charges to Directors. Under SOX one cannot ignore this because one thinks it is unlikely to happen. IBM U2 is not ignoring this area and has already placed restrictions in the use of phantoms to contain this manipulation. Additionally: The examples you give are not the main issue that causes a breach. There are a number of applications where users connect and stay connected but through a 3rd party mechanism that channels tasks through one license to the backend that then distributes to multiple background processes. The intent of this process is not application convenience or style but more an attempt to avoid license fees and many advertise this. It is this avoidance of license revenue that can expose companies legally. I have discussed this issue with both jbase and MvOn as their products talk to Oracle or SQL Server and falls into a similar category where you really only have 1 process accessing the RDBMS, independent of the number of users on jBase or MvOn. Both organisations have very quickly pointed me to Oracle and Microsoft to discuss licensing issues and neither would publicly recommend that companies run using 1 license of Oracle or SQL Server. This is very much on the radar of database vendors. Regards David Jordan --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ - Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Hold-file to CSV
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it simpler to change the sort sequence in basic or English ? Why should it make any difference? EXECUTE SELECT is your friend :-) Is it simple to add subtotals in basic or English ? Don't jump to conclusions. Given my data, do subtotals even make sense? Is it easier to export data in basic or English ? Is it easier to handle SUBvalues in basic or in English? (and no, we don't all use UniData :-) Cheers, Wol Mark Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How can Basic be limiting. It has everything English (sic) has and so much more. In fact, there are many reports that 'turn the corner' and cannot be done in English and must be done in Basic. - Original Message - From: Dave S To: Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2005 10:35 PM Subject: Re: [U2] Hold-file to CSV That's the danger of creating reports in Basic. As you can see it's very limiting. Mark Johnson wrote: I have my own method of taking English (access etc) statements and creating CSV's. I'm talking about not re-engineering existing report. Thanks. - Original Message - From: Dave S To: Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2005 7:57 PM Subject: Re: [U2] Hold-file to CSV If the reports where written in Uniquery it would be simpler to extract data from them. Have you looked at MVQUERY ? Key Ally wrote: [AD] You can do this with Zeus as well, and Zeus has other advantages which Monarch does not share. (www.MtOlympus.us) [/AD] Roger Glenfield wrote: Monarch from Datawatch. Converts report files into data. Mark Johnson wrote: The whole premise was to use the existing reports that are presently designed and not re-engineer them. Like many systems, this one is full of finished reports (both english and databasic) and the object is to send them to the hold-file and convert from there. I don't want to re-invent the report generation logic, just use the hold files. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ - Do you Yahoo!? Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over 17,000 guides! --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ - Do you Yahoo!? Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over 17,000 guides! --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] MvInternet - IBM Licensing Requirement
The gotcha there, is the fact that you *know* that 500 employees are using the DBMS simultaneously via 2 seats. If you said, I _know_ that no more than 10 employees are using the software at any given moment and I have 10 licenses to justify that, then there would be no problem. Whether or not it appears that 500 can use it within realistic timing is a completely separate investigation. The truth is, if you only have 10 seats then there can only be 10 active processes on the box at a time. The days of user=process are gone. It's time to wake up and realize the world has changed already. MV is always the last to smell the coffee burning. This thread is really getting moldy guys. The fact is, user-seat licensing and pooled licensing mix together like alcohol and mercury. There's a cost-per-unit sales problem inherent there. Either you loose all your single-seats to pooled muxes or you end up fighting the single-seat mux wars. IBM can try it, but I know it won't work. It's time for a CPU based license model, for those who want to configure MV for a non-persistent services model. There's no other realistic solution. Glen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dean Fox Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 7:54 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] MvInternet - IBM Licensing Requirement What people are doing is through special programs and queuing where they can run several users continuously with several background processes that stay active. This is what IBM has frowned upon. - My brain wiring doesn't allow me to separate this scenario from real life either. None of this falls under the rules of Piracy ie running one Microsoft Word on multiple PCs. That's spreading FUD and is so far off the point cannot be addressed directly. Look at it this way. I have 500 employees and I pay two full time people to do nothing but run reports for whoever dials their extension and makes a request. These two employees are logged in all day, they remember, manage and distribute the hundreds of requests they get all day. That's all they do. Does your scenario suggest I need 500 licenses rather than two? If not, how does this differ from web services running even from within UV? Is the difference human vs. program? I fully understand the loss of revenue to IBM argument. I'm not going to pay taxes I don't owe either. If I can replace a person with a program, a telephone extension with a web interface, I have saved my company money and have cost IBM nothing I didn't owe before. I'm just more productive. I failed ethics in college. I was failing my second attempt until my Professor gave me a clue. The test questions are supposed to be grey he said, your problem is Dean, you don't think like a criminal. And, I'm still confused today. If I replace a person with a program and a telephone extension with a web interface, do I go to jail or get promoted? What I'm hearing is jail. But my brain isn't wired to understand why. -[d]- On 4/18/05, Tony Gravagno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Until I saw Dean's posting I was also going to just let it go. The trigger for me was the equating of multi-user license usage to running multiple copies of software on different systems. Copying software allows more than one person to execute different functions at exactly the same time. All DBMS products are engineered to allow us to perform the following sequential functions: Accept connection and query Read state data from cache or disk Perform operation on all data Write state data to cache or disk Respond to user and disconnect This is the way web servers work and one common way of engineering a disconnected client/server model. There is no physical way that anyone process can perform those functions for two users simultaneously, the way two instances of pirated software does. All users must wait for any user consuming a license to disconnect before they consume the license in their own turn. The terms connect and disconnect may imply logging in or simply going inactive as someone else consumes the license resource - the point is that the way MV platforms are engineered, only one user can make use of the resource at any given moment in time. This use of licenses has a long standing legal precedent, here are two examples: Modems which came into use in 2nd to 3rd generation systems allowed one user to connect and then disconnect, followed by another user who did the same. Per-seat licensing, compared to named user licensing has always acknowleged this paradigm. Today, if we choose to allow one user to consume that license for a period of 2 hours before giving it up, or 200 milliseconds, that is a matter of design. There are no set standards for how long a user must consume a license in order to be considered legal, except where software
RE: [U2] MvInternet - IBM Licensing Requirement
Piracy would mean installing and using an unlicensed software product. Piracy and multiplexing are not the same issue. David Jordan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Dean I have gone through a number of detailed sessions with Microsoft on issues of Piracy and Microsoft regards improper licensing of database licenses in the same light as running one version of Word on multiple PCs. In my estimation there are probably more companies who have run into trouble with Microsoft over misuse of database license that misuse of Office licenses. Please don't shoot the messenger I am only passing on what I am aware of licensing legalities. The complexities of licensing has to be studied very carefully and is dependent on databases, licensing agreements and methods of use. It is not to say a situation is right or wrong it is a question if it fits the licensing agreement. Unfortunately many people feel that if something is technically possible, then it is legally possible which is not the case. Your examples if you have 500 staff requesting reports from 2 IT people who do the processing then it is obvious 2 users license. Your example of Web Services is difficult. If the database has named licensing then everyone who accesses the database requires a license or you purchase a license per processor. With U2 the licensing is concurrent and the licensing is according to demand. Ie if 100 users could access the system at the same time then you would need a 100 licenses. However if you use a 3rd party product to process the 100 users through 10 licenses then you could fall foul of licensing issues. The other area that may expose you to license issues if you use persistence then you may cross the line again. This is not as simple and clear cut as many may think and it does fall under strict copyright laws. Regards David Jordan --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Hold-file to CSV
as well, You will need to know which column is a key, if any, and if there are mulitple lines for a column, is it because it's a multivalue, or did the previous line need to wrap? Also, do you have totals that are being broken on? and are they displayed at the bottom of each page? George -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 8:22 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Hold-file to CSV In a message dated 4/16/2005 7:34:46 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Like many systems, this one is full of finished reports (both english and databasic) and the object is to send them to the hold-file and convert from there. I don't want to re-invent the report generation logic, just use the hold files. Yes you have to parse the headers to determine the column start and stop positions and then scan the data to extract the column/row cell entries. I know you're the type that likes to program it yourself instead of buying it off-the-shelf :) Will --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Hold-file to CSV
Hi Mark, I note you're from Comcast - they used to run use the DataFlo ERP system. I met Comcast employees in 2002 at the Epicor Users Group conference in Minnesota. I believe Comcast has switched to E by Epicor. Anyway, possibly if you still have wIntegrate you can use the Query Builder for generating a report in CSV format. Essentially, you need the 'output' in a file so Query Builder can use an Info/Access statement to import that data to your PC. For the last 20 years I've been supporting DataFlo (at DataWorks, then Epicor, and now here at Kore Technologies). What I do for my customers who request that I add the ability to 'Export' the basic program report to an Excel Spreadsheet is to use the DataFlo Report Manager's Export option. The processing goes something like this: * Select the records. * Call Conversion subroutine to build records in a temporary file, before returning be sure to select/save the list of records from the temporary file. * Report manager sends a 'get-list' statement and the list of dict items to wIntegrate's Import Utility which transfers the output to the xls file on the user's PC. In that Conversion subroutine (copy of the basic program that used to generate the output), I create a single record for each line of output with the data in each attribute representing what would be in the columns. Note, if there is another file which has the same data configuration I can format mine the same so can use that dictionary for the Report Manager's 'Export' dict items list. DataFlo is nice that it has a temporary work file for each user that logs on (TWFnnn) which I use as it enables multiple users to run the same report at the same time. Hopefully, this will help. I discussed this concept in our Kore Newsletters using the Sales Order Backlog Report as an example. See the July, August, and September of 2002 issues which everyone is welcome to look at on our website at koretech.com - under the News tab choose News and Events and go to the bottom of the page for a links to all past newsletters. Look for Paul's Corner and my QA's. Have a Great Day! Paul Trebbien Kore Technologies, Senior Support Tech. Solutions that work. People who care. V 858.678.0030 F 858.300.2600 W www.koretech.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mark Johnson Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 6:34 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Hold-file to CSV How can Basic be limiting. It has everything English (sic) has and so much more. In fact, there are many reports that 'turn the corner' and cannot be done in English and must be done in Basic. - Original Message - From: Dave S [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2005 10:35 PM Subject: Re: [U2] Hold-file to CSV That's the danger of creating reports in Basic. As you can see it's very limiting. Mark Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have my own method of taking English (access etc) statements and creating CSV's. I'm talking about not re-engineering existing report. Thanks. - Original Message - From: Dave S To: Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2005 7:57 PM Subject: Re: [U2] Hold-file to CSV If the reports where written in Uniquery it would be simpler to extract data from them. Have you looked at MVQUERY ? Key Ally wrote: [AD] You can do this with Zeus as well, and Zeus has other advantages which Monarch does not share. (www.MtOlympus.us) [/AD] Roger Glenfield wrote: Monarch from Datawatch. Converts report files into data. Mark Johnson wrote: The whole premise was to use the existing reports that are presently designed and not re-engineer them. Like many systems, this one is full of finished reports (both english and databasic) and the object is to send them to the hold-file and convert from there. I don't want to re-invent the report generation logic, just use the hold files. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ - Do you Yahoo!? Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over 17,000 guides! --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe
RE: [U2] Hold-file to CSV
From: Mark Johnson How can Basic be limiting. It has everything English (sic) has and so much more. In fact, there are many reports that 'turn the corner' and cannot be done in English and must be done in Basic. If you will stipulate that - generally speaking - the most important attribute of SOFTWARE QUALITY is MAINTAINABILITY then Retrieve / UniQuery / MVQuery / even English is - generally speaking - the superior environment for reporting. READABILITY and CHANGEABILITY are part of MAINTANABILITY. The query language, being a higher level than Basic is generally more readable. The self-contained MODULAR nature of dictionary items lends itself to allowing reports to be easily changed. The can also be REUSED on other reports. In that sense, basic is much more limiting. For example (if I may expand on what I *think* Dave S means), if you have reports defined in the Query language, it is often very simple to redirect the output in a new CSV format ( e.g., UD: DELIM keyword, UV: SAVING EVAL fld1:char(9):fld2). That is usually much easier to do than changing a basic program. And when you're done, you've reused existing code which needs to be maintained once, rather than duplicating a basic program whose processing is integrated and not modular. When a change needs to be made (e.g., selection criteria or add output fields, you have to change 1 shared phrase or I-descriptor rather than dig through the guts of 2 basic programs. Often the maintenance programmer will forget there are 2 programs, change only one and the divergence begins. We've had this discussion before. You can look through the archives and see that I respectfully disagree with Mark's theory of reporting. If and when I get to set programming standards, I say all reports should be written in the Query language, unless you can prove your case for doing otherwise. There are also techniques involving I-descriptor subroutines, named common, phrases, etc. that need to be part of the programming standard. (The SRS.UV.HEADER subroutine mentioned in a recent thread demonstrates some good practices.) One reason for not using the query language is for pretty reports that go to external clients, where the Query language's output format is too limiting. Another admitted weakness is the lack of a tool built into any MV IDE to easily display or group all the modular components of a report logically for a programmer to browse through them. --- Having said all that, Mark's original question was a good one and the above tangential discussion does not address it. There are tons of legacy reports from tons of legacy systems (not just MV!) that need to be deciphered and reformatted into modern spreadsheets. I think Mark's original question was this: Suppose you do not have access to whatever produces the reports, and all you have is the output report. What is the best way to extract its data into a CSV file or spreadsheet? I believe a number of people suggested products to do just that. This is not just a U2 or MV question answer. - Chuck Stevenson --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] IBM Licensing Requirement
Tony Gravagno wrote: I'd also like to get some real numbers on the table. Some people say you can get 10 users on a single license. Anyone who has implemented a multi-user environment knows this isn't the case because, as stated above, the first user will connect and you'll have 9 people waiting in line afterward. With device licensing, you can get ten connections per license. When all the connections are coming from one 'factory' that can vary the device subkey after each ten connections... there you go, potentially ten different users on one license. -- Wendy Smoak Applications Systems Analyst, Sr. Arizona State University, PA, IRM --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Pro's/cons of keeping UV maint/support contract current (paid)
I've used QM at a 6-user site for 2 years. The site was converted from R83. I found few problems in converting, and these may all be gone as it now supports A S dictionaries and other things that I had to change. It has options to make locates, wildcards the like flavor specific. I've been very pleased with the product. The support is great, issues are usually fixed in a day. I've have no issues now, but I know I would if I were porting another app. Mel Maresh -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Johnson Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 7:52 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Pro's/cons of keeping UV maint/support contract current (paid) I too have QM loaded as an alternative to D3 for any single user deals. I got frustrated with it as I'm not a Pr1me descendant. But I continue to hear good things about it. Isn't there a UV-lite or personal version that may apply? Notice that we're offering up lesser supported items as a possible solution. Could that suggest that all versions of MV are pretty stable and that the higher maint prices purchase a large degree of mental security. I threw that back in the face of Microdata/Novadyne back in the day as support for my request for a reduction in the $3,200 maint cost. Got it down to $1,500 per month. Perhaps that's the problem with such good hardware and OS, that it doesn't really need any support. One comment that came to me earlier on this topic was that some (most?) of the money went into the advancement of the OS for future releases. This is fine for those who chase dotNET and other contemporary things. Just try to sell that to the room full of Wyse-50's kind of client. I also asked RD about the concept of a version of D3 without all of the conectivity and they said Why should we. you're gonna need to host your legacy apps on something and why should we give it away. Sort of a displaced value system. You like your apps and we're going to tap into that friendship. my 2 cents. - Original Message - From: Richard A. Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 6:29 AM Subject: Re: [U2] Pro's/cons of keeping UV maint/support contract current (paid) yes, I know of openqm, I have it loaded here someplace, just lack of time to play. My understanding at this point is it currently supports the general Prime Information syntax Rich Bruce Nichol wrote: Goo'day, all. At 04:44 14/04/05 -0400, you wrote: Mark's comments prompt me to ask. Would the re-purchasing of the licenses be covered under a general business interruption insurance policy if a catastrophe happened? Rich Er, I don't know quite how to say this, so .. WHISPER Have you checked QM from www.ladybridge.com - the paid one, not OpenQM - for *their* annual maintenance. /WHISPER It might not have all the somewhat esoteric bells and whistles of U2, but. especially for the smaller user - linux or Winblows Please don't smack me! -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.9 - Release Date: 13/04/05 Regards, Bruce Nichol Talon Computer Services ALBURYNSW 2640 Australia http://www.taloncs.com.au Tel: +61 (0)411149636 Fax: +61 (0)260232119 If it ain't broke, fix it till it is! -- Richard A. Wilson Lakeside Systems --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2][UD] JDBC connection
I am trying to connect to UniData (on AIX) from my PC through a java program. This is how I am trying to connect: String url = jdbc:ibm-u2://server.college.edu/the/acct/path;dbmstype=UNIDATA; Class.forName(com.ibm.u2.jdbc.UniJDBCDriver); Connection con = DriverManager.getConnection(url, john, johnpass); When I run this program it gives me following error: You don't have permissions to chdir to /the/acct/path But when I (say John) logon directly to unix, I can cd to /the/acct/path !! Can someone please tell me the cause of this error? Thanks. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] Decoding 64Base string
I am looking for information on decoding a base64 string. We will be receiving this back with an xml stream from a client. The base64 string is a image which we must decode and write out. Anyone having done this? Would love to talk to you about it or possibly get snippets to get us on our way. I have searched the u2ug site but found nothing thanks .. -- DSig David Tod Sigafoos --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2][UD] JDBC connection
Check your webserver configuration. Just because you can login w/ telnet doesn't mean the webserver is open to that dir. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chauhan, Savita Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 11:13 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2][UD] JDBC connection I am trying to connect to UniData (on AIX) from my PC through a java program. This is how I am trying to connect: String url = jdbc:ibm-u2://server.college.edu/the/acct/path;dbmstype=UNIDATA; Class.forName(com.ibm.u2.jdbc.UniJDBCDriver); Connection con = DriverManager.getConnection(url, john, johnpass); When I run this program it gives me following error: You don't have permissions to chdir to /the/acct/path But when I (say John) logon directly to unix, I can cd to /the/acct/path !! Can someone please tell me the cause of this error? Thanks. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.16 - Release Date: 4/18/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.16 - Release Date: 4/18/2005 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] MvInternet - IBM Licensing Requirement
Somehow or other this thread points out issue(s) mvDbms vendors need to come to grips with. I got onto google and entered SQL Server site license and picked the first link I saw and found out I could get a single processor SQL Server Standard license for $3,500 (or a single processor SQL Server Enterprise license for $7,500). To me this means I get an unlimited user SQL Server license for a single processor for $3,500 (or $7,500 if I'm interested in some advanced analysis features). This is specifically offered for e-commerce applications. It's often been pointed out that the mvDbms products are waay too expensive by comparison. This thread has wildly speculated about possible heavy handed action by IBM in order to continue to overcharge users for U2 products. At this rate there won't be any U2 users left. I don't believe anyone is trying to cheat IBM here (and IBM knows it). Developers are just trying to compete. This is good; for developers and for IBM. :-) Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Jordan Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 5:38 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] MvInternet - IBM Licensing Requirement I have not heard of a single legal case in the IT world, not just the MV market, brought by a DBMS vendor against a VAR/developer for abuse of this common communications design. I think any company that does so would be committing political suicide, if it allowed its developer base to go so long without action, and then all of a sudden claimed that accepted practices and established connectivity products were now in violation of their legal terms. I am aware of Microsoft doing this. It has done software audits on even large organisations and clobbered then for breaches on SQL Server license. Oracle and IBM have stringent components of their contracts to enable them to do audits. I have had to sign distributor contract with IBM and it stated that they were entitled to investigate my client's sites to ensure that they have proper licenses. As the pressure is on the IT vendors to build revenues and IT spending is down, then sooner or later vendors are going to chase licensing issues to recover revenue. Unless IBM publicly states their position on this topic, takes a developer to court, or just sends a polite please rethink your license consumption note to someone, we will not know how liberal they are about their licensing, regardless of what their license actually says. My guess is that no DBMS company will take action unless there is blatent abuse It is in the licensing contract and a breach of license can lead to criminal charges to Directors. Under SOX one cannot ignore this because one thinks it is unlikely to happen. IBM U2 is not ignoring this area and has already placed restrictions in the use of phantoms to contain this manipulation. Additionally: The examples you give are not the main issue that causes a breach. There are a number of applications where users connect and stay connected but through a 3rd party mechanism that channels tasks through one license to the backend that then distributes to multiple background processes. The intent of this process is not application convenience or style but more an attempt to avoid license fees and many advertise this. It is this avoidance of license revenue that can expose companies legally. I have discussed this issue with both jbase and MvOn as their products talk to Oracle or SQL Server and falls into a similar category where you really only have 1 process accessing the RDBMS, independent of the number of users on jBase or MvOn. Both organisations have very quickly pointed me to Oracle and Microsoft to discuss licensing issues and neither would publicly recommend that companies run using 1 license of Oracle or SQL Server. This is very much on the radar of database vendors. Regards David Jordan --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2][UD] JDBC connection
I am not connecting thru a webserver. I am trying to directly connect to UniData machine. This is my first attempt to connect thru java. So please let me know what settings do I have to look for and where? Thanks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin King Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 12:32 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2][UD] JDBC connection Check your webserver configuration. Just because you can login w/ telnet doesn't mean the webserver is open to that dir. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chauhan, Savita Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 11:13 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2][UD] JDBC connection I am trying to connect to UniData (on AIX) from my PC through a java program. This is how I am trying to connect: String url = jdbc:ibm-u2://server.college.edu/the/acct/path;dbmstype=UNIDATA; Class.forName(com.ibm.u2.jdbc.UniJDBCDriver); Connection con = DriverManager.getConnection(url, john, johnpass); When I run this program it gives me following error: You don't have permissions to chdir to /the/acct/path But when I (say John) logon directly to unix, I can cd to /the/acct/path !! Can someone please tell me the cause of this error? Thanks. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.16 - Release Date: 4/18/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.16 - Release Date: 4/18/2005 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] [UV] Release 3.2 of the SRS_UV_HEADER program now available
Hello, Tony. The SRS.UV.HEADER program is nearly public domain. Anyone can do anything they want with the source code. All I ask is that they distribute the source code and keep the attributions. A license is not required where conscience will suffice. Best regards, Gyle Tony Gravagno says: Might be good to post SRS4UV to mvdevcentral.com as an offical open source project for discussion, bug/feature tracking, and of course community download and maintenance. You can select from many open source licenses that reflects your intent and the rights/obligations of those who use the code. Gyle Iverson wrote: Hundreds of U2UG members downloaded prior releases of the SRS_UV_HEADER program source code. We recently updated the program based on feedback we received from several members. Release 3.2 of the SRS_UV_HEADER program is available at http://www.srs4uv.com/srs_uv_header.htm. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] MvInternet - IBM Licensing Requirement
The legal run around would be write a transaction interface for MV to SQL, and float a SQL processor license solution on the web side... At this point you think why do I want to even use a U2 backend? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill H. Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 1:44 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] MvInternet - IBM Licensing Requirement Somehow or other this thread points out issue(s) mvDbms vendors need to come to grips with. I got onto google and entered SQL Server site license and picked the first link I saw and found out I could get a single processor SQL Server Standard license for $3,500 (or a single processor SQL Server Enterprise license for $7,500). To me this means I get an unlimited user SQL Server license for a single processor for $3,500 (or $7,500 if I'm interested in some advanced analysis features). This is specifically offered for e-commerce applications. It's often been pointed out that the mvDbms products are waay too expensive by comparison. This thread has wildly speculated about possible heavy handed action by IBM in order to continue to overcharge users for U2 products. At this rate there won't be any U2 users left. I don't believe anyone is trying to cheat IBM here (and IBM knows it). Developers are just trying to compete. This is good; for developers and for IBM. :-) Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Jordan Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 5:38 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] MvInternet - IBM Licensing Requirement I have not heard of a single legal case in the IT world, not just the MV market, brought by a DBMS vendor against a VAR/developer for abuse of this common communications design. I think any company that does so would be committing political suicide, if it allowed its developer base to go so long without action, and then all of a sudden claimed that accepted practices and established connectivity products were now in violation of their legal terms. I am aware of Microsoft doing this. It has done software audits on even large organisations and clobbered then for breaches on SQL Server license. Oracle and IBM have stringent components of their contracts to enable them to do audits. I have had to sign distributor contract with IBM and it stated that they were entitled to investigate my client's sites to ensure that they have proper licenses. As the pressure is on the IT vendors to build revenues and IT spending is down, then sooner or later vendors are going to chase licensing issues to recover revenue. Unless IBM publicly states their position on this topic, takes a developer to court, or just sends a polite please rethink your license consumption note to someone, we will not know how liberal they are about their licensing, regardless of what their license actually says. My guess is that no DBMS company will take action unless there is blatent abuse It is in the licensing contract and a breach of license can lead to criminal charges to Directors. Under SOX one cannot ignore this because one thinks it is unlikely to happen. IBM U2 is not ignoring this area and has already placed restrictions in the use of phantoms to contain this manipulation. Additionally: The examples you give are not the main issue that causes a breach. There are a number of applications where users connect and stay connected but through a 3rd party mechanism that channels tasks through one license to the backend that then distributes to multiple background processes. The intent of this process is not application convenience or style but more an attempt to avoid license fees and many advertise this. It is this avoidance of license revenue that can expose companies legally. I have discussed this issue with both jbase and MvOn as their products talk to Oracle or SQL Server and falls into a similar category where you really only have 1 process accessing the RDBMS, independent of the number of users on jBase or MvOn. Both organisations have very quickly pointed me to Oracle and Microsoft to discuss licensing issues and neither would publicly recommend that companies run using 1 license of Oracle or SQL Server. This is very much on the radar of database vendors. Regards David Jordan --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] Re: Decoding Base64 String
Go here: http://www.fourmilab.ch/webtools/base64/ Freeware command line base64 encoder/decoder Quoting David Tod Sigafoos [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I am looking for information on decoding a base64 string. We will be receiving this back with an xml stream from a client. The base64 string is a image which we must decode and write out. Jeff Schasny | Denver, Colorado, USA | [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] Please, Be Kind Trim
Just a reminder to be kind and trim your replies to the relevant portions of prior posts. I just received the second digest for today, which contained just 12 new messages. Several contained the full text (including posting footers) of three prior messages. Some people on the list still have to worry about access time and mailbox limits. Thanks. --Tom Pellitieri Century Equipment --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Decoding 64Base string
Universe has the ENCODE function. When I tried using it last, it seemed to encode my data into base64 just fine, but decoding always gave me an empty string. Eventually, I just wrote my own encoding/decoding functions from documentation off the www. rex --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2][UD] JDBC connection
Hi All, Thanks for any help. Just to let you all know, I got my program working. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chauhan, Savita Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 12:43 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2][UD] JDBC connection I am not connecting thru a webserver. I am trying to directly connect to UniData machine. This is my first attempt to connect thru java. So please let me know what settings do I have to look for and where? Thanks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin King Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 12:32 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2][UD] JDBC connection Check your webserver configuration. Just because you can login w/ telnet doesn't mean the webserver is open to that dir. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chauhan, Savita Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 11:13 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2][UD] JDBC connection I am trying to connect to UniData (on AIX) from my PC through a java program. This is how I am trying to connect: String url = jdbc:ibm-u2://server.college.edu/the/acct/path;dbmstype=UNIDATA; Class.forName(com.ibm.u2.jdbc.UniJDBCDriver); Connection con = DriverManager.getConnection(url, john, johnpass); When I run this program it gives me following error: You don't have permissions to chdir to /the/acct/path But when I (say John) logon directly to unix, I can cd to /the/acct/path !! Can someone please tell me the cause of this error? Thanks. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.16 - Release Date: 4/18/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.16 - Release Date: 4/18/2005 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2][UD] JDBC connection
Mind sharing the solution in the event others encounter the same or similiar issue in the future. As Dawn M. Wolthuis, would say 'Take and give some delight today.' Regards, Ian Renfrew - Original Message - From: Chauhan, Savita [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 3:23 PM Subject: RE: [U2][UD] JDBC connection Hi All, Thanks for any help. Just to let you all know, I got my program working. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chauhan, Savita Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 12:43 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2][UD] JDBC connection I am not connecting thru a webserver. I am trying to directly connect to UniData machine. This is my first attempt to connect thru java. So please let me know what settings do I have to look for and where? Thanks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin King Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 12:32 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2][UD] JDBC connection Check your webserver configuration. Just because you can login w/ telnet doesn't mean the webserver is open to that dir. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chauhan, Savita Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 11:13 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2][UD] JDBC connection I am trying to connect to UniData (on AIX) from my PC through a java program. This is how I am trying to connect: String url = jdbc:ibm-u2://server.college.edu/the/acct/path;dbmstype=UNIDATA; Class.forName(com.ibm.u2.jdbc.UniJDBCDriver); Connection con = DriverManager.getConnection(url, john, johnpass); When I run this program it gives me following error: You don't have permissions to chdir to /the/acct/path But when I (say John) logon directly to unix, I can cd to /the/acct/path !! Can someone please tell me the cause of this error? Thanks. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.16 - Release Date: 4/18/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.16 - Release Date: 4/18/2005 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Re: Decoding Base64 String
Jeff, Monday, April 18, 2005, 11:59:00 AM, you wrote: JS Go here: http://www.fourmilab.ch/webtools/base64/ JS Freeware command line base64 encoder/decoder oh man .. thanks .. i think G .. c .. uuu JS Quoting David Tod Sigafoos [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I am looking for information on decoding a base64 string. We will be receiving this back with an xml stream from a client. The base64 string is a image which we must decode and write out. -- DSig ` David Tod Sigafoos ( O O ) ___oOOo__( )__oOOo___ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2][UD] JDBC connection
Sure. My url string was wrong: String url =jdbc:ibm-u2://server.college.edu/the/acct/path;dbmstype=UNIDATA; It shd have been String url =jdbc:ibm-u2://server.college.edu//the/acct/path;dbmstype=UNIDATA; It needed two slashes (/) between the server (server.college.edu) and the account path (/the/acct/path )- one is separator and the other one to signify the root directory. It took me 3 hours to figure this out!! Savita. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ian Renfrew Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 3:12 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2][UD] JDBC connection Mind sharing the solution in the event others encounter the same or similiar issue in the future. As Dawn M. Wolthuis, would say 'Take and give some delight today.' Regards, Ian Renfrew - Original Message - From: Chauhan, Savita [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 3:23 PM Subject: RE: [U2][UD] JDBC connection Hi All, Thanks for any help. Just to let you all know, I got my program working. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chauhan, Savita Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 12:43 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2][UD] JDBC connection I am not connecting thru a webserver. I am trying to directly connect to UniData machine. This is my first attempt to connect thru java. So please let me know what settings do I have to look for and where? Thanks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin King Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 12:32 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2][UD] JDBC connection Check your webserver configuration. Just because you can login w/ telnet doesn't mean the webserver is open to that dir. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chauhan, Savita Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 11:13 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2][UD] JDBC connection I am trying to connect to UniData (on AIX) from my PC through a java program. This is how I am trying to connect: String url = jdbc:ibm-u2://server.college.edu/the/acct/path;dbmstype=UNIDATA; Class.forName(com.ibm.u2.jdbc.UniJDBCDriver); Connection con = DriverManager.getConnection(url, john, johnpass); When I run this program it gives me following error: You don't have permissions to chdir to /the/acct/path But when I (say John) logon directly to unix, I can cd to /the/acct/path !! Can someone please tell me the cause of this error? Thanks. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.16 - Release Date: 4/18/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.16 - Release Date: 4/18/2005 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Decoding 64Base string {Unclassified}
If you're on UniVerse and on release 10.x (UD 6.x may have the same functionality, check the IBM reference manuals, for UV it's in the Basic Extensions manual) then you should be able to use the ENCODE() function. Your code might look a bit like this: E.DLOC = '1' ; * data passed directly E.RLOC = '1' ; * result in a string E.ALG= 'Base64' E.DATA = '' E.RESULT = '' * Note that E.DATA needs to be delimited by a CHAR(10) at the end for some reason E.DATA = My.Base64.Encoded.string:CHAR(10) E.RESULT = '' E.ACTION = '2' ; * Base64 decode E.STATUS = ENCODE(E.ALG, E.ACTION, E.DATA, E.DLOC, E.RESULT, E.RLOC) IF E.STATUS EQ '0' THEN CRT ' Plain Text ':QUOTE(E.RESULT) END ELSE GOSUB DISPLAY.ENCODE.STATUS END HTH Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Tod Sigafoos Sent: Tuesday, 19 April 2005 05:32 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Decoding 64Base string I am looking for information on decoding a base64 string. We will be receiving this back with an xml stream from a client. The base64 string is a image which we must decode and write out. Anyone having done this? Would love to talk to you about it or possibly get snippets to get us on our way. I have searched the u2ug site but found nothing thanks .. -- DSig David Tod Sigafoos --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ The information contained in this Internet Email message is intended for the addressee only and may contain privileged information, but not necessarily the official views or opinions of the New Zealand Defence Force. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, copy or distribute this message or the information in it. If you have received this message in error, please Email or telephone the sender immediately. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Decoding 64Base string
David, I am looking for information on decoding a base64 string. We will be receiving this back with an xml stream from a client. The base64 string is a image which we must decode and write out. what version of U2 are you on? What O/S? UV 10.0 and later allows you to call ALG = Base64 ACTION = 2 ;* 1 = Encode, 2 = Decode INLOC = 1 ;* 1 = Data in string, 2 = Data in file (B64DATA should hold path to file) OUTLOC = 1 ;* 1 = Data in string, 2 = Data in file (RESULT should hold path to file) RETURNCODE = DECODE(ALG, ACTION, B64DATA, INLOC, RESULT, OUTLOC) IF RETURNCODE NE 0 THEN PRINT DECODING FAILED :RETURNCODE * 1 - Unsupported Algorithm * 2 - Invalid Parameters * 3 - Data cannot be read * 4 - data cannot be encoded/decoded END - You could also find a uudecode utility for your O/S. Write the data to a type 19 (DIR) file and execute the command to decode it. - Lastly you could read RFC3548 and roll your own converter. As a hint, BYTEVAL(STR, POS) is much faster than SEQ(STR[POS,1]) under UV. HTH, Craig --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Hold-file to CSV
To answer your specific questions, no, no, no. Once designed, basic can do everything that English can, albiet the afterthought changes may be more difficult. We all strive towards getting as many reports from English (sic) as possible. That's obvious. Surely you recognize when you 'turn the corner' and cannot produce what you want in English and you must use basic.That's all. - Original Message - From: Dave S [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [U2] Hold-file to CSV Is it simpler to change the sort sequence in basic or English ? Is it simple to add subtotals in basic or English ? Is it easier to export data in basic or English ? Mark Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How can Basic be limiting. It has everything English (sic) has and so much more. In fact, there are many reports that 'turn the corner' and cannot be done in English and must be done in Basic. - Original Message - From: Dave S To: Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2005 10:35 PM Subject: Re: [U2] Hold-file to CSV That's the danger of creating reports in Basic. As you can see it's very limiting. Mark Johnson wrote: I have my own method of taking English (access etc) statements and creating CSV's. I'm talking about not re-engineering existing report. Thanks. - Original Message - From: Dave S To: Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2005 7:57 PM Subject: Re: [U2] Hold-file to CSV If the reports where written in Uniquery it would be simpler to extract data from them. Have you looked at MVQUERY ? Key Ally wrote: [AD] You can do this with Zeus as well, and Zeus has other advantages which Monarch does not share. (www.MtOlympus.us) [/AD] Roger Glenfield wrote: Monarch from Datawatch. Converts report files into data. Mark Johnson wrote: The whole premise was to use the existing reports that are presently designed and not re-engineer them. Like many systems, this one is full of finished reports (both english and databasic) and the object is to send them to the hold-file and convert from there. I don't want to re-invent the report generation logic, just use the hold files. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ - Do you Yahoo!? Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over 17,000 guides! --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ - Do you Yahoo!? Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over 17,000 guides! --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Hold-file to CSV
Thanks. - Original Message - From: Paul Trebbien [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 11:22 AM Subject: RE: [U2] Hold-file to CSV Hi Mark, I note you're from Comcast - they used to run use the DataFlo ERP system. I met Comcast employees in 2002 at the Epicor Users Group conference in Minnesota. I believe Comcast has switched to E by Epicor. Anyway, possibly if you still have wIntegrate you can use the Query Builder for generating a report in CSV format. Essentially, you need the 'output' in a file so Query Builder can use an Info/Access statement to import that data to your PC. For the last 20 years I've been supporting DataFlo (at DataWorks, then Epicor, and now here at Kore Technologies). What I do for my customers who request that I add the ability to 'Export' the basic program report to an Excel Spreadsheet is to use the DataFlo Report Manager's Export option. The processing goes something like this: * Select the records. * Call Conversion subroutine to build records in a temporary file, before returning be sure to select/save the list of records from the temporary file. * Report manager sends a 'get-list' statement and the list of dict items to wIntegrate's Import Utility which transfers the output to the xls file on the user's PC. In that Conversion subroutine (copy of the basic program that used to generate the output), I create a single record for each line of output with the data in each attribute representing what would be in the columns. Note, if there is another file which has the same data configuration I can format mine the same so can use that dictionary for the Report Manager's 'Export' dict items list. DataFlo is nice that it has a temporary work file for each user that logs on (TWFnnn) which I use as it enables multiple users to run the same report at the same time. Hopefully, this will help. I discussed this concept in our Kore Newsletters using the Sales Order Backlog Report as an example. See the July, August, and September of 2002 issues which everyone is welcome to look at on our website at koretech.com - under the News tab choose News and Events and go to the bottom of the page for a links to all past newsletters. Look for Paul's Corner and my QA's. Have a Great Day! Paul Trebbien Kore Technologies, Senior Support Tech. Solutions that work. People who care. V 858.678.0030 F 858.300.2600 W www.koretech.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mark Johnson Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 6:34 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Hold-file to CSV How can Basic be limiting. It has everything English (sic) has and so much more. In fact, there are many reports that 'turn the corner' and cannot be done in English and must be done in Basic. - Original Message - From: Dave S [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2005 10:35 PM Subject: Re: [U2] Hold-file to CSV That's the danger of creating reports in Basic. As you can see it's very limiting. Mark Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have my own method of taking English (access etc) statements and creating CSV's. I'm talking about not re-engineering existing report. Thanks. - Original Message - From: Dave S To: Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2005 7:57 PM Subject: Re: [U2] Hold-file to CSV If the reports where written in Uniquery it would be simpler to extract data from them. Have you looked at MVQUERY ? Key Ally wrote: [AD] You can do this with Zeus as well, and Zeus has other advantages which Monarch does not share. (www.MtOlympus.us) [/AD] Roger Glenfield wrote: Monarch from Datawatch. Converts report files into data. Mark Johnson wrote: The whole premise was to use the existing reports that are presently designed and not re-engineer them. Like many systems, this one is full of finished reports (both english and databasic) and the object is to send them to the hold-file and convert from there. I don't want to re-invent the report generation logic, just use the hold files. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ - Do you Yahoo!? Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over 17,000 guides! --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --- u2-users mailing list
Re: [U2] Hold-file to CSV
I got good at writing English-like Basic programs (sorting, break-on, totals, id-supp, det-supp etc) 20 years ago with large files and very slow systems. Basic can generate multiple simultaneous (not just consecutive, simultaneous) reports and having gotten some good experience that way, in addition to being very good at designing correlatives and English (i'm showing my roots) reports, I can know when to 'turn the corner' and develop in Basic and not English. Turning the corner means that English cannot create the report, either by logic, combining datafiles or combined detail/summary/recaps. Many clients appreciate the results of these advanced reports and knowing when to turn the corner makes me more effecient. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org; u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 11:00 AM Subject: Re: [U2] Hold-file to CSV [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it simpler to change the sort sequence in basic or English ? Why should it make any difference? EXECUTE SELECT is your friend :-) Is it simple to add subtotals in basic or English ? Don't jump to conclusions. Given my data, do subtotals even make sense? Is it easier to export data in basic or English ? Is it easier to handle SUBvalues in basic or in English? (and no, we don't all use UniData :-) Cheers, Wol Mark Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How can Basic be limiting. It has everything English (sic) has and so much more. In fact, there are many reports that 'turn the corner' and cannot be done in English and must be done in Basic. - Original Message - From: Dave S To: Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2005 10:35 PM Subject: Re: [U2] Hold-file to CSV That's the danger of creating reports in Basic. As you can see it's very limiting. Mark Johnson wrote: I have my own method of taking English (access etc) statements and creating CSV's. I'm talking about not re-engineering existing report. Thanks. - Original Message - From: Dave S To: Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2005 7:57 PM Subject: Re: [U2] Hold-file to CSV If the reports where written in Uniquery it would be simpler to extract data from them. Have you looked at MVQUERY ? Key Ally wrote: [AD] You can do this with Zeus as well, and Zeus has other advantages which Monarch does not share. (www.MtOlympus.us) [/AD] Roger Glenfield wrote: Monarch from Datawatch. Converts report files into data. Mark Johnson wrote: The whole premise was to use the existing reports that are presently designed and not re-engineer them. Like many systems, this one is full of finished reports (both english and databasic) and the object is to send them to the hold-file and convert from there. I don't want to re-invent the report generation logic, just use the hold files. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ - Do you Yahoo!? Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over 17,000 guides! --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ - Do you Yahoo!? Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over 17,000 guides! --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Hold-file to CSV
Thanks for the critique. I have access to virtually all of the procs or basic that creates these client's reports. It always comes down to money with my clients, not pure technology. Thus, Re-directing their existing hold-files puts basic and English on the same playing field. It's a lot easier to take the existing proven report logic and convert the hold-files than to read through each one at a time to re-generate them. The concept of standards is IMHO water under the bridge. My opinions are influenced by my diverse set of clients with barely the same apps running on more than one. Even RESULTS (circa 1981) has had 24 years to deviate and that's evident with my 3 present RESULTS clients. Factor in the other dozen or so systems and there's no such a thing as a standard. In either case, CSV or standards, I am not afforded the luxury of turning simple requests into 15 month projects. I've got to get in, produce the results in a cost-effective fashion and move to the next issue. BTW, I'm the first one to use English for reports. That's what it's there for. But many clients get tickled when I take 2 or more cumbersome reports and combine them into one report either simultaneous or consecutive. They don't care if it's english, basic or BAL. It makes their job easier. my 2 cents. - Original Message - From: Stevenson, Charles [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 11:24 AM Subject: RE: [U2] Hold-file to CSV From: Mark Johnson How can Basic be limiting. It has everything English (sic) has and so much more. In fact, there are many reports that 'turn the corner' and cannot be done in English and must be done in Basic. If you will stipulate that - generally speaking - the most important attribute of SOFTWARE QUALITY is MAINTAINABILITY then Retrieve / UniQuery / MVQuery / even English is - generally speaking - the superior environment for reporting. READABILITY and CHANGEABILITY are part of MAINTANABILITY. The query language, being a higher level than Basic is generally more readable. The self-contained MODULAR nature of dictionary items lends itself to allowing reports to be easily changed. The can also be REUSED on other reports. In that sense, basic is much more limiting. For example (if I may expand on what I *think* Dave S means), if you have reports defined in the Query language, it is often very simple to redirect the output in a new CSV format ( e.g., UD: DELIM keyword, UV: SAVING EVAL fld1:char(9):fld2). That is usually much easier to do than changing a basic program. And when you're done, you've reused existing code which needs to be maintained once, rather than duplicating a basic program whose processing is integrated and not modular. When a change needs to be made (e.g., selection criteria or add output fields, you have to change 1 shared phrase or I-descriptor rather than dig through the guts of 2 basic programs. Often the maintenance programmer will forget there are 2 programs, change only one and the divergence begins. We've had this discussion before. You can look through the archives and see that I respectfully disagree with Mark's theory of reporting. If and when I get to set programming standards, I say all reports should be written in the Query language, unless you can prove your case for doing otherwise. There are also techniques involving I-descriptor subroutines, named common, phrases, etc. that need to be part of the programming standard. (The SRS.UV.HEADER subroutine mentioned in a recent thread demonstrates some good practices.) One reason for not using the query language is for pretty reports that go to external clients, where the Query language's output format is too limiting. Another admitted weakness is the lack of a tool built into any MV IDE to easily display or group all the modular components of a report logically for a programmer to browse through them. --- Having said all that, Mark's original question was a good one and the above tangential discussion does not address it. There are tons of legacy reports from tons of legacy systems (not just MV!) that need to be deciphered and reformatted into modern spreadsheets. I think Mark's original question was this: Suppose you do not have access to whatever produces the reports, and all you have is the output report. What is the best way to extract its data into a CSV file or spreadsheet? I believe a number of people suggested products to do just that. This is not just a U2 or MV question answer. - Chuck Stevenson --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] Solonde Warehouse Workbench for u2
A friend of mine is evaluating ETL tools that might be useful for developing and maintaining an MS-SQL-based data warehouse where one major data source is u2-based. My friend is probably going to use DTS (recently renamed as SSIS in MS-SQL-2005), and is also evaluating some well known tools such as Altova MapForce, and some little known tools, such as from Solonde. The Solonde WWB looks interesting, but the company's small size and lack of marketing fail to inspire confidence, and may prevent corporate HQ from approving them as a vendor. On the other hand, they do have some notable client sites in Germany. Anybody care to share their Solonde experience, either here in public, or privately, off-line? --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ CONFIDENTIALITY: This communication, including attachments, is for exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, disclosure, or distribution or the taking of any action in reliance upon this information is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and delete this communication and destroy all copies. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
