Re: [U2] Reports In Universe BASIC
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], MAJ Programming [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes I will stand on my soapbox and shout that MV has no standards, just a lot of styles. There is no governing body to enforce standards and if the remaining providers (u2/uv/ d3 etc) were to build and force them, there would be some disagreements at that level. If they concurred, then all of the existing code underneath would have to be magically re-written or allowed to remain. How coult anyone really prove that their 'style' should be the 'standard'. Are we going to have a standards convention and hash over each MV topic from loops, gotos, opens, dict items, procs, PRINT ON blah, blah. And I'll stand on my soapbox and say that one of the MAJOR ADVANTAGES of Pick is that it doesn't enforce standards. That's part of my complaint about RDBMSs - using them is a hell of a lot of work because if your data doesn't fit the standard (as it usually doesn't) then you have to force the real world into the straightjacket provided by the standard, rather than relax the straightjacket to fit the data. Basically, you're forced to act like a scientist throwing away the data that doesn't fit the theory instead of what a scientist is supposed to do - mould the theory to fit the data. Cheers, Wol -- Anthony W. Youngman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 'Yings, yow graley yin! Suz ae rikt dheu,' said the blue man, taking the thimble. 'What *is* he?' said Magrat. 'They're gnomes,' said Nanny. The man lowered the thimble. 'Pictsies!' Carpe Jugulum, Terry Pratchett 1998 Visit the MaVerick web-site - http://www.maverick-dbms.org Open Source Pick --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Reports In Universe BASIC
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Kevin King [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes From: MAJ Programming Like helping the newbies with MV, I can now add this little tidbit to my mental library of techniques should the need arise. Just because one can doesn't mean one should. In the case of PRINT ON working properly without a corresponding PRINTER ON, imagine six months later trying to find all of the programs that are outputting to the printer. Not only do we have to search for procs and paragraphs that start the program with a (P (or LPTR) option, but now in searching through the BP code we have to search for both PRINTER ON and PRINT ON. It's likely that someone will forget one of those options (and possibly a few others I may have missed in this quick post) and overlook a program that should have otherwise been found. But if it's your default style ALWAYS to use PRINT ON, then you won't forget it. Yes, I know there's loads of old code ... But using PRINT ON is sometimes necessary (printing several reports from one pass of the data), and prevents errors with PRINTER ON. Oh - and if you're going to go down your route, I'd enforce a style that said PRINT always prints to the printer, if you want the terminal, use CRT. That was the style used by a colleague of mine. So we had a real mix :-) Old stuff with PRINTER ON, my colleague using CRT for the terminal, and me using PRINT ON. I take your point, but these techniques are useful. Cheers, Wol -- Anthony W. Youngman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 'Yings, yow graley yin! Suz ae rikt dheu,' said the blue man, taking the thimble. 'What *is* he?' said Magrat. 'They're gnomes,' said Nanny. The man lowered the thimble. 'Pictsies!' Carpe Jugulum, Terry Pratchett 1998 Visit the MaVerick web-site - http://www.maverick-dbms.org Open Source Pick --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
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Re: [U2] Upper Case Only
One reason for why the upper case only thing started that has been mentioned in this thread is that some early terminals didn't have lower case. This is indeed true but it used to be much worse than that ! The early days computers themselves didn't handle lowercase as they had 6bit characters allowing for a 64 character alphabet only. I've only used two such machines the IBM 7044 and CDC 6600 but before the IBM360 arrived in the mid 60's it was the general rule for mainframes to have 6bit chars. ( There were exceptions. IIRC british Orion and swedish Facit and Saab had 8bit bytes, and the minis. ) -- mats --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] Difference between two TIMEDATES in seconds
Hello everyone, Can someone help me with this. I need a way to calculate the difference between two TIMEDATE() and return the results in seconds. The biggest difference I expect between the two time dates is 100 days. Thanks and regards, Marco. ___ The all-new Yahoo! Mail goes wherever you go - free your email address from your Internet provider. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
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-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marco Manyevere Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 3:25 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Difference between two TIMEDATES in seconds Hello everyone, Can someone help me with this. I need a way to calculate the difference between two TIMEDATE() and return the results in seconds. The biggest difference I expect between the two time dates is 100 days. Thanks and regards, Marco. ___ The all-new Yahoo! Mail goes wherever you go - free your email address from your Internet provider. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Difference between two TIMEDATES in seconds
re, a little expression * 11:31:41 16 Mar 2007timedate() sample * A = TIMEDATE() 1 * B = TIMEDATE() 2 *- BD = (ICONV(OCONV(A,'G1 3'),'D') * 86400) ED = (ICONV(OCONV(B,'G1 3'),'D') * 86400) BT = ICONV(OCONV(A,'G0:3'),'MTS') ET = ICONV(OCONV(B,'G0:3'),'MTS') DIFF = (ED - BD ) + (ET - BT) you can do it with a IType I hope this help... Manu - Original Message - From: Marco Manyevere [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 11:24 AM Subject: [U2] Difference between two TIMEDATES in seconds Hello everyone, Can someone help me with this. I need a way to calculate the difference between two TIMEDATE() and return the results in seconds. The biggest difference I expect between the two time dates is 100 days. Thanks and regards, Marco. ___ The all-new Yahoo! Mail goes wherever you go - free your email address from your Internet provider. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] [UD] CALL @progname
The 'extra' time when calling as a function is likely due to the assignment of the result to a variable. Doing that a million times has to trigger a significant number of garbage collects. Perhaps You could modify the test to call the routine and 'copy' the result argument to a variable - it should IMHO result in a time about the same as the function call... -- mats David Wolverton skrev: Actually - I just ran a test, and was surprised somewhat: 1,000,000 Iterations of ways to do a call... CALL PROGNAME (direct)7047 CALL *PROGNAME (global)7766 CALL @PROGNAME (indirect) 6984 GOSUB (logic contained in-line)1531 Call as Function 10203 I've rearranged the order the routines are called in, and run the test suite over and over... The Indirect calls are CLEARLY faster, with all numbers moving +/- 50, EXCEPT the indirect, which only moved +/- 25 or so. Note that I set the @PROGNAME outside of the call loop - this was not testing how fast the system could set variables - just the difference on the 'calls'. If I include the setting of the name WITHIN the loop, the indirect call went to 7290 or so -- the difference in the 'direct' call vs the 'indirect' call efficiency appears to be in the Variable handling! But both are still faster than use of Global catalogs. Anyone have a clue why the indirects are a hair faster? Or am I just getting lucky over and over? I always thought they were slower as well! DW --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Upper Case Only
I think that the upper/lower case issue -- albeit not a show stopper for anyone - is much worse than that. Besides the internal back-n-forth about programming in basic, and what case should be current, I think that a bigger issue revolves around data presentation and converting to a modern display and modern usage. For example, reports, mailing labels, Dear John letters... I mean, as a programmer, I can use MCU - that works great, MCL - not as useful, but, still works as documented. MCT? It's embarrassing. Dr. Mark Jones, MD is almost impossible to return. Mark Jones III - allows me to send a state of the art letter addressed to Mark Jones Iii. SEARCH is another of my pet peeves. It should be *smart enough* to figure out, or at least provide an option to be case insensitive. Maybe it does, and I'm not aware. But it just always seemed crazy. So, I search - string? MARK JONES then Mark Jones then Mark jones then mark jones. BTREES? Although some may disagree, Mark Jones and MARK JONES are the same thing - at least in our business environment. I think that if we want to work in a world that doesn't shout at us all the time, then we need to look beyond how to write a basic program That's my $.02 (hey, what happened to the cent character... it used to be there... I know it was... oh, maybe that was on the typewriters that didn't allow lower case) Laura -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mats Carlid Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 6:23 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Upper Case Only One reason for why the upper case only thing started that has been mentioned in this thread is that some early terminals didn't have lower case. This is indeed true but it used to be much worse than that ! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.11/723 - Release Date: 3/15/2007 11:27 AM --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Upper Case Only
Isn't that really more of a data issue though, rather than a programming issue? I absolutely believe that data should be stored in U/L case, but that doesn't affect the programming at all. For searching on this data, we just use dictionaries that put it in all upper case - very easy to search on. -Dianne Quoting Laura Hirsh [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I think that the upper/lower case issue -- albeit not a show stopper for anyone - is much worse than that. Besides the internal back-n-forth about programming in basic, and what case should be current, I think that a bigger issue revolves around data presentation and converting to a modern display and modern usage. For example, reports, mailing labels, Dear John letters... I mean, as a programmer, I can use MCU - that works great, MCL - not as useful, but, still works as documented. MCT? It's embarrassing. Dr. Mark Jones, MD is almost impossible to return. Mark Jones III - allows me to send a state of the art letter addressed to Mark Jones Iii. SEARCH is another of my pet peeves. It should be *smart enough* to figure out, or at least provide an option to be case insensitive. Maybe it does, and I'm not aware. But it just always seemed crazy. So, I search - string? MARK JONES then Mark Jones then Mark jones then mark jones. BTREES? Although some may disagree, Mark Jones and MARK JONES are the same thing - at least in our business environment. I think that if we want to work in a world that doesn't shout at us all the time, then we need to look beyond how to write a basic program That's my $.02 (hey, what happened to the cent character... it used to be there... I know it was... oh, maybe that was on the typewriters that didn't allow lower case) Laura -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mats Carlid Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 6:23 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Upper Case Only One reason for why the upper case only thing started that has been mentioned in this thread is that some early terminals didn't have lower case. This is indeed true but it used to be much worse than that ! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.11/723 - Release Date: 3/15/2007 11:27 AM --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Difference between two TIMEDATES in seconds
Thanks its the last formula that I was actually failing to visualise. I thought it would involve some complicated algorithm. Thanks, Marco. - Original Message From: Perry Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Friday, 16 March, 2007 1:31:10 PM Subject: RE: [U2] Difference between two TIMEDATES in seconds Marco, BEG.TIMEDATE = TIMEDATE() END.TIMEDATE = TIMEDATE() BEG.TIME = ICONV(FIELD(BEG.TIMEDATE, ' ', 1, 1), 'MT') BEG.DATE = ICONV(FIELD(BEG.TIMEDATE, ' ', 2, 3), 'D') END.TIME = ICONV(FIELD(END.TIMEDATE, ' ', 1, 1), 'MT') END.DATE = ICONV(FIELD(END.TIMEDATE, ' ', 2, 3), 'D') ET = END.TIME - BEG.TIME + (END.DATE - BEG.DATE) * 86400 This assumes TIMEDATE() outputs in the format hh:mm:ss dd mmm . Adjust the code if your system is configured differently. Is this what you are looking for? Perry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marco Manyevere Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 6:25 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Difference between two TIMEDATES in seconds Hello everyone, Can someone help me with this. I need a way to calculate the difference between two TIMEDATE() and return the results in seconds. The biggest difference I expect between the two time dates is 100 days. Thanks and regards, Marco. ___ The all-new Yahoo! Mail goes wherever you go - free your email address from your Internet provider. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. ZirMed, Inc. has strict policies regarding the content of e-mail communications, specifically Protected Health Information, any communications containing such material will be returned to the originating party with such advisement noted. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ ___ Inbox full of unwanted email? Get leading protection and 1GB storage with All New Yahoo! Mail. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Upper Case Only
Different subject all together. I don't think anyone would disagree that there is a need to store (some) data in upper/lower case. The ongoing discussion has been about program source code, the 'consumer' of which is the machine itself who really doesn't give a hoot one way or another. Oh, and just because its Friday and therefore I'm in a particularly jovial mood has anyone anyone considered during this crusade that no matter how you write your source code it compiles to psudocode that is ALL UPPER CASE!!! :) Laura Hirsh wrote: I think that the upper/lower case issue -- albeit not a show stopper for anyone - is much worse than that. Besides the internal back-n-forth about programming in basic, and what case should be current, I think that a bigger issue revolves around data presentation and converting to a modern display and modern usage. For example, reports, mailing labels, Dear John letters... I mean, as a programmer, I can use MCU - that works great, MCL - not as useful, but, still works as documented. MCT? It's embarrassing. Dr. Mark Jones, MD is almost impossible to return. Mark Jones III - allows me to send a state of the art letter addressed to Mark Jones Iii. SEARCH is another of my pet peeves. It should be *smart enough* to figure out, or at least provide an option to be case insensitive. Maybe it does, and I'm not aware. But it just always seemed crazy. So, I search - string? MARK JONES then Mark Jones then Mark jones then mark jones. BTREES? Although some may disagree, Mark Jones and MARK JONES are the same thing - at least in our business environment. I think that if we want to work in a world that doesn't shout at us all the time, then we need to look beyond how to write a basic program That's my $.02 (hey, what happened to the cent character... it used to be there... I know it was... oh, maybe that was on the typewriters that didn't allow lower case) Laura --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Reports In Universe BASIC
I don't have a problem with PRINT ON, I simply think that if you're printing to the printer, at least say PRINTER ON so it's obvious. We need the hippocratic oath for this industry. http://www.hal-pc.org/~ollie/hippocratic.oath.html -Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PrecisOnline.com ** Check out scheduled Connect! training courses at http://www.PrecisOnline.com/train.html. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Upper Case Only
Thanks Diane. It is a data issue... but also a programming challenge as well. It sounds like your environment has had standards in place that make it easy to live in the Upper/lower case world, but this isn't the case with many applications, nor with a lot of legacy software and/or data. And it's really a challenge to implement this type of standard mid-stream. As for the searching I was talking about, it was using the verb SEARCH - where you search across an entire file - not just attributes - so, although the dictionaries are great for one field searching - that's a different animal. On the same note, anyone gotten yelled at from a blackberry lately? On these hand-held units, (phones, etc), living in the upper/lower case world is, well, not really practical. And I get emails - in all upper case - from these devices all the time. But, boy, the possibilities of being able to take these devices into use as remote data entry devices are really intriguing - aren't they? Laura -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 9:31 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Upper Case Only Isn't that really more of a data issue though, rather than a programming issue? I absolutely believe that data should be stored in U/L case, but that doesn't affect the programming at all. For searching on this data, we just use dictionaries that put it in all upper case - very easy to search on. -Dianne Quoting Laura Hirsh [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I think that the upper/lower case issue -- albeit not a show stopper for anyone - is much worse than that. Besides the internal back-n-forth about programming in basic, and what case should be current, I think that a bigger issue revolves around data presentation and converting to a modern display and modern usage. For example, reports, mailing labels, Dear John letters... I mean, as a programmer, I can use MCU - that works great, MCL - not as useful, but, still works as documented. MCT? It's embarrassing. Dr. Mark Jones, MD is almost impossible to return. Mark Jones III - allows me to send a state of the art letter addressed to Mark Jones Iii. SEARCH is another of my pet peeves. It should be *smart enough* to figure out, or at least provide an option to be case insensitive. Maybe it does, and I'm not aware. But it just always seemed crazy. So, I search - string? MARK JONES then Mark Jones then Mark jones then mark jones. BTREES? Although some may disagree, Mark Jones and MARK JONES are the same thing - at least in our business environment. I think that if we want to work in a world that doesn't shout at us all the time, then we need to look beyond how to write a basic program That's my $.02 (hey, what happened to the cent character... it used to be there... I know it was... oh, maybe that was on the typewriters that didn't allow lower case) Laura -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mats Carlid Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 6:23 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Upper Case Only One reason for why the upper case only thing started that has been mentioned in this thread is that some early terminals didn't have lower case. This is indeed true but it used to be much worse than that ! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.11/723 - Release Date: 3/15/2007 11:27 AM --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.11/723 - Release Date: 3/15/2007 11:27 AM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.11/723 - Release Date: 3/15/2007 11:27 AM --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Upper Case Only
Diane, Dictionaries to change case are great if you are searching on a specific field. I think Laura's issue relates to searching the entire text of a record. - Chuck Putting Words In Laura's Mouth Even Though She Can Speak For Herself Since 2004 Barouch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't that really more of a data issue though, rather than a programming issue? I absolutely believe that data should be stored in U/L case, but that doesn't affect the programming at all. For searching on this data, we just use dictionaries that put it in all upper case - very easy to search on. -Dianne Quoting Laura Hirsh [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I think that the upper/lower case issue -- albeit not a show stopper for anyone - is much worse than that. Besides the internal back-n-forth about programming in basic, and what case should be current, I think that a bigger issue revolves around data presentation and converting to a modern display and modern usage. For example, reports, mailing labels, Dear John letters... I mean, as a programmer, I can use MCU - that works great, MCL - not as useful, but, still works as documented. MCT? It's embarrassing. Dr. Mark Jones, MD is almost impossible to return. Mark Jones III - allows me to send a state of the art letter addressed to Mark Jones Iii. SEARCH is another of my pet peeves. It should be *smart enough* to figure out, or at least provide an option to be case insensitive. Maybe it does, and I'm not aware. But it just always seemed crazy. So, I search - string? MARK JONES then Mark Jones then Mark jones then mark jones. BTREES? Although some may disagree, Mark Jones and MARK JONES are the same thing - at least in our business environment. I think that if we want to work in a world that doesn't shout at us all the time, then we need to look beyond how to write a basic program That's my $.02 (hey, what happened to the cent character... it used to be there... I know it was... oh, maybe that was on the typewriters that didn't allow lower case) Laura -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mats Carlid Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 6:23 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Upper Case Only One reason for why the upper case only thing started that has been mentioned in this thread is that some early terminals didn't have lower case. This is indeed true but it used to be much worse than that ! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.11/723 - Release Date: 3/15/2007 11:27 AM --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ -- Charles Barouch ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) www.KeyAlly.com (718) 762-3884 x 1 P. O. Box 540957, Queens, NY 11354 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Upper Case Only
I missed the start of this thread so appologies if this has been said before UV 10.2 introduces a CASE command to turn on / off case sensitivity. Unfortunately, as far as I can see, they don't appear to have documented it (along with quite a lot of other new stuff). Having tried it earlier this week, I am not all that impressed since it isn't really making the system case insensitive at all but simple translates the command into upper case, making an assumption that dictionary and VOC items are in uppercase. Try a simple test using the sample file (lower case name) in the UV account... CASE OFF LIST sample It moans that there is no such file because it has translated the file name to upper case and found the SAMPLE keyword instead of the file. My own thoughts are that UV should try looking up exactly what you typed and, if it cannot find it, try again in upper case. Fully case insensitive record ids would not be difficult to implement but UV doesn't seem to offer this. Martin Phillips, Ladybridge Systems Ltd --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Reports In Universe BASIC
True... but there is no hypocrisy in the Clap On... Clap Off...The Clapper. --Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kevin King Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 10:22 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Reports In Universe BASIC I don't have a problem with PRINT ON, I simply think that if you're printing to the printer, at least say PRINTER ON so it's obvious. We need the hippocratic oath for this industry. http://www.hal-pc.org/~ollie/hippocratic.oath.html -Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PrecisOnline.com ** Check out scheduled Connect! training courses at http://www.PrecisOnline.com/train.html. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] RE: [uv] 10.2
Speaking of UV 10.2 - anyone running it care to share their experience. I've heard rumors of a locking issue, but don't know the details. Mark -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-u2- Subject: Re: [U2] Upper Case Only I missed the start of this thread so appologies if this has been said before UV 10.2 introduces a CASE command to turn on / off case sensitivity. Unfortunately, as far as I can see, they don't appear to have documented it (along with quite a lot of other new stuff). --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] RE: [uv] 10.2
We are running UV 10.2 in house with SB+ and SB Client 5.3.4. We have found 3 issues thus far and IBM is working on all of them at this time. 1. When exiting out of an SBClient session by clicking on the X in the upper right corner the session will close, but the UniVerse Port is left logged in. IBM informed us there is also an issue with group locks, see excerpt below. It has come to light that there was a problem introduced in UniVerse 10.2 where if the QUIT or OFF verbs were being used, an application Error evernt was created and group locks were being left active. Do you recall if your customer appeared to be experiencing active group locks? IBM is shooting for a tentative fix date sometime this month for this issue. 2. When using callHTTP with a client side certificate the POST will return an error because of changes in the new openssl being used. 3. The BASIC command WRITEU no longer retains the lock on the record after the write occurs. We did some testing with 10.1.18 and could not duplicate any of the above issues. We did have a customer running UV 10.2 but backed them down to 10.1.18 and everything appears to running correctly. Mike Mike Dallaire Mortgage Builder Software Inc. (248) 304-0600 ext. 103 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.mortgagebuilder.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Eastwood Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 10:23 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] RE: [uv] 10.2 Speaking of UV 10.2 - anyone running it care to share their experience. I've heard rumors of a locking issue, but don't know the details. Mark -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-u2- Subject: Re: [U2] Upper Case Only I missed the start of this thread so appologies if this has been said before UV 10.2 introduces a CASE command to turn on / off case sensitivity. Unfortunately, as far as I can see, they don't appear to have documented it (along with quite a lot of other new stuff). --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] RE: [uv] 10.2
We're running it on a test dev server and so far are fine - nothing to report. OS is Win2003 server. I'm also curious to read anything about this before we go live. Laure Hansen, City of Redwood City Information Technology www.redwoodcity.org 1017 Middlefield Road Redwood City, CA 94063 Tel: 650-780-7087 Fax: 650-556-9204 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Eastwood Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 8:23 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] RE: [uv] 10.2 Speaking of UV 10.2 - anyone running it care to share their experience. I've heard rumors of a locking issue, but don't know the details. Mark -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-u2- Subject: Re: [U2] Upper Case Only I missed the start of this thread so appologies if this has been said before UV 10.2 introduces a CASE command to turn on / off case sensitivity. Unfortunately, as far as I can see, they don't appear to have documented it (along with quite a lot of other new stuff). --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Help with File Pointers
So Simple, yet effective. Regards, -- Donald Verhagen Application Development Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tandem Staffing Solutions, Inc. 5901 Broken Sound Parkway NW, Suite 450 Boca Raton, FL 33487 USA Voice Phone: 561.226.8261 Fax Phone: 561.226.8115 On 3/15/2007 at 10:52 am, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Michael Rajkowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are trying to determine that two files are pointing to the same thing, you could set a lock on one and try to set it on the other. If it will not let you do it, then you have the same file. ( note that my first thought was to write an item, but that could cause problems if anyone else was using the file. ) give the lock a unique name like testingFilePointerTestProgram so you don't have issues with existing data. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] RE: [uv] 10.2
I am curious, are the bugs in the PICK flavour, but not in the ideal flavour. Regards David Jordan --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] User discrepancy
Brian Any PHANTOM that opens a Socket is a license consumer - it's not a bug, it was intentional (see iPHANTOMS). Regards JayJay -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Leach Sent: 14 March 2007 23:08 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] User discrepancy Hi First, to clear the excess licences you can run the following from a CMD prompt: uvlictool clean_lic -a This should check against actual processes and reset the count correctly. I found problems with device licencing and versions of UO.NET - this incorrectly reported the wrong client IP address and took an extra licence. Also the iPhantom hit me - any program or subroutine called through a UO session that opened a socket was incorrectly being considered a phantom and so took an extra iPhantom licence. And there's always the old issue of people closing terminal emulator windows without logging off. Brian -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Waldron Sent: 14 March 2007 22:05 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] User discrepancy I have an issue with users on my system. Running Win2003/Intel and UV 10.2 When I do a USERS I get 78 users logged on the system When I do a PORT.STATUS it says 18 uniVerse sessions; 17 interactive, 1 phantom When I look at UniAdmin/Users I get the same 17 Users and 1 Background At times I'm getting Users exceed limit which tells me processes are not being terminated properly. Also I have been having trouble with record locks since the upgrade to 10.2. New server hardware and OS (Win=2003) was cloned from the old server (Win2000) then the upgrade to 10.2 occurred. This may be some of the issue but that's the way my network guy likes to build servers. We have a lot of local users and this doesn't require us to rekey everyone. Any thoughts on maybe a file or something that I might be corrupt that I could fix? Thanks in advance, Mark Waldron Director of Information Systems City of Salem, Va --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Upper Case Only
SEARCH was designed to be fast and, at the time, it was much faster to scan for the first character of the searched-for string and, if you found it, execute a string compare instruction. It was also a much simpler algorithm. I later wrote a case-insensitive version but it either never made it into the released code or just never got documented. I think it's funny that, even though an obvious enhancement, none of the coders who re-implemented the original Reality function added a case-insensitive option. Stewart -Original Message- From: Laura Hirsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 09:15:20 -0400 SEARCH is another of my pet peeves. It should be *smart enough* to figure out, or at least provide an option to be case insensitive. Maybe it does, and I'm not aware. But it just always seemed crazy. So, I search - string? MARK JONES then Mark Jones then Mark jones then mark jones. Laura -- Stewart Leicester | JenSoft Technologies, LLC Per Ardua Ad Astra | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] User discrepancy
While I remember - there *was* a problem with IP addresses being reversed for some client connections - this caused (as you noted) the device licensing pool to be incorrectly distributed between mixed session types (telnet vs ODBC vs UO etc) - each having an unique and separate pool. So one client with both a TELNET and an ODBC session (for example) to the same server would consume 1 license seat in each of two separate DL pools (not ideal). This is wholly fixed I believe - you may have hit on a new wrinkle though. Are you saying that if you open a socket connection from a (license consuming) UO.NET session which is part of a device license pool it consumes a license *outside* the pool when it is not connecting to the same U2 database? (Remembering it is the client IP and MAC that determines what is - and is not - part of a shared pool). If I have misunderstood this one could you clarify please and the database and client software versions? Regards JayJay -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Leach Sent: 14 March 2007 23:08 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] User discrepancy Hi First, to clear the excess licences you can run the following from a CMD prompt: uvlictool clean_lic -a This should check against actual processes and reset the count correctly. I found problems with device licencing and versions of UO.NET - this incorrectly reported the wrong client IP address and took an extra licence. Also the iPhantom hit me - any program or subroutine called through a UO session that opened a socket was incorrectly being considered a phantom and so took an extra iPhantom licence. And there's always the old issue of people closing terminal emulator windows without logging off. Brian -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Waldron Sent: 14 March 2007 22:05 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] User discrepancy I have an issue with users on my system. Running Win2003/Intel and UV 10.2 When I do a USERS I get 78 users logged on the system When I do a PORT.STATUS it says 18 uniVerse sessions; 17 interactive, 1 phantom When I look at UniAdmin/Users I get the same 17 Users and 1 Background At times I'm getting Users exceed limit which tells me processes are not being terminated properly. Also I have been having trouble with record locks since the upgrade to 10.2. New server hardware and OS (Win=2003) was cloned from the old server (Win2000) then the upgrade to 10.2 occurred. This may be some of the issue but that's the way my network guy likes to build servers. We have a lot of local users and this doesn't require us to rekey everyone. Any thoughts on maybe a file or something that I might be corrupt that I could fix? Thanks in advance, Mark Waldron Director of Information Systems City of Salem, Va --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Upper Case Only
I have to agree with this. One of the things that Raining Data have done right (IMHO) is to provide case insensitivity, right down to the file level ... if you want SMITH = smith you can, if SMITH # smith you can set a file up for that as well Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage Better by Design! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-u2- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Laura Hirsh Sent: Saturday, 17 March 2007 12:15 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Upper Case Only I think that the upper/lower case issue -- albeit not a show stopper for anyone - is much worse than that. Besides the internal back-n-forth about programming in basic, and what case should be current, I think that a bigger issue revolves around data presentation and converting to a modern display and modern usage. For example, reports, mailing labels, Dear John letters... I mean, as a programmer, I can use MCU - that works great, MCL - not as useful, but, still works as documented. MCT? It's embarrassing. Dr. Mark Jones, MD is almost impossible to return. Mark Jones III - allows me to send a state of the art letter addressed to Mark Jones Iii. SEARCH is another of my pet peeves. It should be *smart enough* to figure out, or at least provide an option to be case insensitive. Maybe it does, and I'm not aware. But it just always seemed crazy. So, I search - string? MARK JONES then Mark Jones then Mark jones then mark jones. BTREES? Although some may disagree, Mark Jones and MARK JONES are the same thing - at least in our business environment. I think that if we want to work in a world that doesn't shout at us all the time, then we need to look beyond how to write a basic program That's my $.02 (hey, what happened to the cent character... it used to be there... I know it was... oh, maybe that was on the typewriters that didn't allow lower case) Laura -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mats Carlid Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 6:23 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Upper Case Only One reason for why the upper case only thing started that has been mentioned in this thread is that some early terminals didn't have lower case. This is indeed true but it used to be much worse than that ! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.11/723 - Release Date: 3/15/2007 11:27 AM --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] RE: [uv] 10.2
Thanks for the info. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Dallaire Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 11:22 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] RE: [uv] 10.2 We are running UV 10.2 in house with SB+ and SB Client 5.3.4. We have found 3 issues thus far and IBM is working on all of them at this time. 1. When exiting out of an SBClient session by clicking on the X in the upper right corner the session will close, but the UniVerse Port is left logged in. IBM informed us there is also an issue with group locks, see excerpt below. It has come to light that there was a problem introduced in UniVerse 10.2 where if the QUIT or OFF verbs were being used, an application Error evernt was created and group locks were being left active. Do you recall if your customer appeared to be experiencing active group locks? IBM is shooting for a tentative fix date sometime this month for this issue. 2. When using callHTTP with a client side certificate the POST will return an error because of changes in the new openssl being used. 3. The BASIC command WRITEU no longer retains the lock on the record after the write occurs. We did some testing with 10.1.18 and could not duplicate any of the above issues. We did have a customer running UV 10.2 but backed them down to 10.1.18 and everything appears to running correctly. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Upper Case Only
Jeff: This thread is about __MORE__ than just the data! Kevin eloquently pointed out that some of the old ways in the U2 space need to be abandoned for more modern thinking. A certain perspective has survived here for years and this has spilled over into a number of areas where the U2 products have lagged behind in development. This seems to be changing, both with IBM's commitment and with this space's more recent thinking. The current state of affairs in U2 is case-sensitivity. This construct manifests itself negatively in myriad ways; data storage, command execution, indexing, searching, code production, etc, etc, etc. The current work-arounds only address one aspect or another of the problem; e.g. with an environment setting one can compile BASIC code in a case-insensitive mode (great - . What about the other negative aspects of case-sensitivity? There might be another work-around but the solution has not been engineered, and needs to be. Some may want to code in upper-case only. As far as I can see there's nothing wrong with this. But be reasonable; don't __FORCE__ me to do the same !! Most of this thread has addressed the inconvenience of forced-casing or the it shouldn't bother anyone, get used to it perspective. MV was designed to be a dynamic product; not constrained by the arbitrary constraints of other dbms products; which offers tremendous flexibility. But it's hard to describe the difficulties involved in manipulating strings at the application level for simple string searches. These difficulties become larger and larger with each technology one interfaces with (like the web). The solution is simple...give both U2 products the ability, at least to start with, to install as a case-insensitive product; granularity can be added. Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Schasny Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 7:25 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Upper Case Only Different subject all together. I don't think anyone would disagree that there is a need to store (some) data in upper/lower case. The ongoing discussion has been about program source code, the 'consumer' of which is the machine itself who really doesn't give a hoot one way or another. Oh, and just because its Friday and therefore I'm in a particularly jovial mood has anyone anyone considered during this crusade that no matter how you write your source code it compiles to psudocode that is ALL UPPER CASE!!! :) Laura Hirsh wrote: I think that the upper/lower case issue -- albeit not a show stopper for anyone - is much worse than that. Besides the internal back-n-forth about programming in basic, and what case should be current, I think that a bigger issue revolves around data presentation and converting to a modern display and modern usage. For example, reports, mailing labels, Dear John letters... I mean, as a programmer, I can use MCU - that works great, MCL - not as useful, but, still works as documented. MCT? It's embarrassing. Dr. Mark Jones, MD is almost impossible to return. Mark Jones III - allows me to send a state of the art letter addressed to Mark Jones Iii. SEARCH is another of my pet peeves. It should be *smart enough* to figure out, or at least provide an option to be case insensitive. Maybe it does, and I'm not aware. But it just always seemed crazy. So, I search - string? MARK JONES then Mark Jones then Mark jones then mark jones. BTREES? Although some may disagree, Mark Jones and MARK JONES are the same thing - at least in our business environment. I think that if we want to work in a world that doesn't shout at us all the time, then we need to look beyond how to write a basic program That's my $.02 (hey, what happened to the cent character... it used to be there... I know it was... oh, maybe that was on the typewriters that didn't allow lower case) Laura --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] User discrepancy
My issue is with sessions that a not closing out properly. Maybe users Xing out rather than doing a LO and also with records locked. We don't use Phantoms that much and we're not using UO or ODBC. A pretty straight Green Screen apps with everyone using terminal emulation and Telnet to get there. We've not had this problem for a long time. Again Port.Status shows a pile of users with no Port Name users just hanging there but UniAdmin Users show the correct number. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Jenkins Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 7:57 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] User discrepancy While I remember - there *was* a problem with IP addresses being reversed for some client connections - this caused (as you noted) the device licensing pool to be incorrectly distributed between mixed session types (telnet vs ODBC vs UO etc) - each having an unique and separate pool. So one client with both a TELNET and an ODBC session (for example) to the same server would consume 1 license seat in each of two separate DL pools (not ideal). This is wholly fixed I believe - you may have hit on a new wrinkle though. Are you saying that if you open a socket connection from a (license consuming) UO.NET session which is part of a device license pool it consumes a license *outside* the pool when it is not connecting to the same U2 database? (Remembering it is the client IP and MAC that determines what is - and is not - part of a shared pool). If I have misunderstood this one could you clarify please and the database and client software versions? Regards JayJay --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] UO.NET version compatibility
I have a project that was built with UO.NET v2.1.0.7149. I have an end-user with UO.NET v2.1.1.7211. The UniSDK does not automatically register the UODOTNET.DLL assembly into the GAC. I manually registered it with gacutil but the main project still does not find it - which leads me to ask: Are these releases binary-compatible, or do we need to rebuild the main project with the v2.1.1 in order for it to work on the client's systems? Thanks! Tony Gravagno Nebula Research and Development TG@ removethisNebula-RnD.com Specializing in web development, web services, and other advanced connectivity from MV to anything using .NET and other technologies. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
