[U2] [UV] USERS vs Analyze.shm -x
Hello, When logging into the uv account, if I run this paragraph: PA USERS ANALYZE.SHM -X The number of users logged on as reported by USERS is often different than that which is reported by ANALYZE.SHM -x.Anyone know if there is a version where this has been fixed ?This was apparently reported in 10.0.17 ( http://osdir.com/ml/db.u2.general/2004-05/msg00148.html ) . We have one client using 10.2.11 on HP-UX and his UODOT.NET web services is at times getting the 39134 errors (The user limit has been reached on the server Source) when not all of his licences have been taken yet. As reported by SYSTEM(35). Just running it a few times I am getting the numbers: There are currently 1098 users logged on the system. General System Information: Login count: 1109 There are currently 1095 users logged on the system. General System Information: Login count: 1106 There are currently 1089 users logged on the system. General System Information: Login count: 1101 There are currently 1087 users logged on the system. General System Information: Login count: 1099 ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] UD - Error Logging
Nothing prevents us from using syslog right? Ive been thinking about logging a lot lately. Specifically, syslog-ng or rsyslog. Any unix db should log to syslog. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] UD - Error Logging
We use syslog in UniData and UniVerse to log all kinds of application events. Best regards, Henry Henry P. Unger Hitech Systems, Inc. http://www.hitech.com -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Steve Romanow Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 12:06 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] UD - Error Logging Nothing prevents us from using syslog right? Ive been thinking about logging a lot lately. Specifically, syslog-ng or rsyslog. Any unix db should log to syslog. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Logging
On 3/16/2010 3:00 PM, u2-users-requ...@listserver.u2ug.org wrote: Message: 6 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 02:06:22 + From: Wally Terhunewterh...@rocketsoftware.com To: U2 Users Listu2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] UD - Error Logging Message-ID: 0d0b269b9fd7a64687f66c66d6f49fab09b...@nwt-s-mbx1.rocketsoftware.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I would be happy to entertain (and formally register) a detailed, coherent proposal for logs, error logs, diagnostic logs - location and management. Do you still want the saved_logs directory concept? (20 or configurable? Iterations saved) What happens at 'startud'? Anything happen at 'stopud'? Is the trunclog command useful? Should the detailed UniBasic run-time error message logging provided by 7.2.0 /usr/ud72/include/msglevelconfig be placed separate from udt.errlog? Should RFS have a separate log for error messages? Should RFS Archiving - have a separate log for offload messages? Client/server debug logs are inconsistent in configuration and activation. What would you propose in this area? Locations must be discoverable by tools that collect information for diagnostics (such as udtdiag). What else am I missing? Whereas I am constantly requesting more usable content of the messages, can we just focus on the overall architecture for this specific proposal? This would be something to be considered by PM for UniData.NEXT and prioritized with the rest of the enhancements. Other venues for proposals such as this are u2-users better and better forum and the UniData CAB (just recently formed by PM). Any takers? Regards, Wally Terhune U2 Support Architect Rocket Software 4700 S. Syracuse Street, Suite 400 **Denver, CO 80237 **USA Tel: +1.720.475.8055 Email: wterh...@rs.com Web: www.rocketsoftware.com/u2 I am not a logging expert, so I cannot say anything here with authority. Just opinion and observation. Why reinvent logging? There is lot of thought and work in existing logging systems. I have really become a fan of bitwise log configuration, where you have a binary string in a config file detailing what you want logged (NOT verbosity, that is a separate control.) Here is a paper discussing it. http://felix-halim.net/pg/bitwise/index.php Here is a product I use that controls its logging using this method. What is nice is there is ONE control for logging, not X individual flags. This one string is parsed. When you add new logging points, you just add one more digit to the binary string. Here is an example from the icinga (nagios) config. The idea is if you want to log both Functions and Notifications, then det debug level to 33. # DEBUG LEVEL # This option determines how much (if any) debugging information will # be written to the debug file. OR values together to log multiple # types of information. # Values: # -1 = Everything # 0 = Nothing # 1 = Functions # 2 = Configuration # 4 = Process information # 8 = Scheduled events # 16 = Host/service checks # 32 = Notifications # 64 = Event broker # 128 = External commands # 256 = Commands # 512 = Scheduled downtime # 1024 = Comments # 2048 = Macros debug_level=32 ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] UD - Error Logging
Wally, Just because I have not noticed anyone else responding to your question about the saved_logs, yes, please keep that concept - I, for one, end up checking the saved_logs quite a bit when I get calls after the client has already rebooted in order to get their users working again. I would hate to see all that good data go away! I would think that a configurable number of iterations would be optimal, given that your team would be going in and doing a lot of work here anyway. Just my 2 cents! Susan Lynch F. W. Davison Company, Inc. - Original Message - From: Wally Terhune wterh...@rocketsoftware.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: 03/15/2010 10:06 PM Subject: Re: [U2] UD - Error Logging I would be happy to entertain (and formally register) a detailed, coherent proposal for logs, error logs, diagnostic logs - location and management. Do you still want the saved_logs directory concept? (20 or configurable? Iterations saved) What happens at 'startud'? Anything happen at 'stopud'? Is the trunclog command useful? Should the detailed UniBasic run-time error message logging provided by 7.2.0 /usr/ud72/include/msglevelconfig be placed separate from udt.errlog? Should RFS have a separate log for error messages? Should RFS Archiving - have a separate log for offload messages? Client/server debug logs are inconsistent in configuration and activation. What would you propose in this area? Locations must be discoverable by tools that collect information for diagnostics (such as udtdiag). What else am I missing? Whereas I am constantly requesting more usable content of the messages, can we just focus on the overall architecture for this specific proposal? This would be something to be considered by PM for UniData.NEXT and prioritized with the rest of the enhancements. Other venues for proposals such as this are u2-users better and better forum and the UniData CAB (just recently formed by PM). Any takers? Regards, Wally Terhune U2 Support Architect Rocket Software 4700 S. Syracuse Street, Suite 400 **Denver, CO 80237 **USA Tel: +1.720.475.8055 Email: wterh...@rs.com Web: www.rocketsoftware.com/u2 ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] UD - Error Logging
Steve: What's wrong with syslog? We use Windows. I don't have a problem with UD logging to the event log, but many applications log to their own standard area. UD logging needs to be configured, so having that in the same area would be nice too. cross-platform? I suspect, all U2 logging should configure in one location/directory and write to one location/directory. Every logging needs archiving and I understand @UDTHOME/bin/saved_logs does that, although @UDTHOME/logs/saved_logs would be a better location. It could be nice to have a structure like: @UDTHOME + config + logs + saved_logs ...and one could have an environment variable names @UDTCONF and @UDTLOGS where one could offload these directories somewhere else. Bill Steve Romanow said the following on 3/16/2010 12:05 PM: Nothing prevents us from using syslog right? Ive been thinking about logging a lot lately. Specifically, syslog-ng or rsyslog. Any unix db should log to syslog. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [UV] USERS vs Analyze.shm -x
Is this not the difference between user licences consumed and physical user licences - e.g non interactive phantoms and device licencing connections do not count as licences but do as users ? -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Jacques G. Sent: 16 March 2010 14:38 To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] [UV] USERS vs Analyze.shm -x Hello, When logging into the uv account, if I run this paragraph: PA USERS ANALYZE.SHM -X The number of users logged on as reported by USERS is often different than that which is reported by ANALYZE.SHM -x.Anyone know if there is a version where this has been fixed ?This was apparently reported in 10.0.17 ( http://osdir.com/ml/db.u2.general/2004-05/msg00148.html ) . We have one client using 10.2.11 on HP-UX and his UODOT.NET web services is at times getting the 39134 errors (The user limit has been reached on the server Source) when not all of his licences have been taken yet. As reported by SYSTEM(35). Just running it a few times I am getting the numbers: There are currently 1098 users logged on the system. General System Information: Login count: 1109 There are currently 1095 users logged on the system. General System Information: Login count: 1106 There are currently 1089 users logged on the system. General System Information: Login count: 1101 There are currently 1087 users logged on the system. General System Information: Login count: 1099 ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
