Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment
Guys Can we reign this one in a bit: it's starting to get personal. That's against the spirit of this list. Brian ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment
On 19/03/11 20:14, fft2...@aol.com wrote: Rather that if Rocket would provide a budget for outreach, then the U2UG could do outreach. I thought you said you WEREN'T telling other people what to do! Who is U2UG? Is it the board? Is it the members? You *are* telling other people what to do. All I can do is repeat what I said before. The board didn't want money, because it didn't have the ability to set up a mechanism for spending it. Firstly, what currency should it be in? I haven't got a clue what currency you would want, but - talking of the board - we could have been given GB£, AUS$, US$, and maybe other currencies, I can't remember. Where would we have spent it? If it was US$, you've just alienated the majority of the board. If it was GB£ or AUS$, you've ignored a large chunk of your market. I repeat. You yourself said that you weren't telling other people what to do. Then PLEASE DON'T! Please STOP TELLING ROCKET TO GIVE MONEY TO U2UG. Please STOP TELLING U2UG TO SPEND THE MONEY. We DON'T KNOW HOW TO HANDLE MONEY SO WE DON'T WANT IT !!! Please STOP TELLING US WHAT TO DO !!! Cheers, Wol (Founder U2UG member. Member of the Founding Board) ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment
Sheesh, you guys. You were both on the board IIRC when we discussed whether to pursue setting up as a legal entity in the US and/or elsewhere. We decided not to do it then. Obviously that could be discussed again, but I would not fund such an organization if I were Rocket, and I do not see a compelling reason at this point to organize as a non-profit in the US. Here is an off-the-wall or out-of-the-box idea. Is there any interest in making the umbrella larger by continuing as a U2 user group while pulling in other MV folks too? comp.databases.pick is not exactly vibrant right now, most of the Cache' users talk directly with their direct contacts within InterSystems rather than through their forum. I don't know how jBASE, Rev, and D3 lists are doing. The OpenQM list seems talkative enough (although OpenQM is no longer Open IIRC). I'm just musing, but now that IBM is not the U2 owner, slanting only toward U2 might not be the best way to accomplish such things as possibly getting a seat at the NoSQL table, for example. I had suggested that maybe Spectrum or individual DBMS vendors might want to try to broaden their own conferences to go beyond MV to pull in some of the new guys, but I suspect that ship has sailed so that there are now NoSQL conferences where we could participate. Again, just thinking out loud. This all might be a bad idea, but it keeps popping into my head, so I'm shedding it by asking the question. Would any good come from expanding to become the MVUG? Even when I write that, I think it is likely a bad idea, given that Spectrum could fill that role instead, perhaps (but Spectrum is a for profit working within the MV space, this would be a non-profit working to get exposure for MV outside of the existing MV space). I dunno. Other thoughts? --dawn P.S. Yes, I distracted my kids from their bickering by tossing out new questions too On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 1:18 PM, Wols Lists antli...@youngman.org.uk wrote: On 19/03/11 20:14, fft2...@aol.com wrote: Rather that if Rocket would provide a budget for outreach, then the U2UG could do outreach. I thought you said you WEREN'T telling other people what to do! Who is U2UG? Is it the board? Is it the members? You *are* telling other people what to do. All I can do is repeat what I said before. The board didn't want money, because it didn't have the ability to set up a mechanism for spending it. Firstly, what currency should it be in? I haven't got a clue what currency you would want, but - talking of the board - we could have been given GB£, AUS$, US$, and maybe other currencies, I can't remember. Where would we have spent it? If it was US$, you've just alienated the majority of the board. If it was GB£ or AUS$, you've ignored a large chunk of your market. I repeat. You yourself said that you weren't telling other people what to do. Then PLEASE DON'T! Please STOP TELLING ROCKET TO GIVE MONEY TO U2UG. Please STOP TELLING U2UG TO SPEND THE MONEY. We DON'T KNOW HOW TO HANDLE MONEY SO WE DON'T WANT IT !!! Please STOP TELLING US WHAT TO DO !!! Cheers, Wol (Founder U2UG member. Member of the Founding Board) ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Dawn M. Wolthuis Take and give some delight today ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment
A little correction--I see that my first sentence made little sense after I edited it incorrectly. I intended to say something like Because I am no longer a significant user of UniData as I once was, I hesitate to pipe up ... --dawn On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Dawn Wolthuis dw...@tincat-group.com wrote: Because I am no longer a significant user of UniData as I once was, I will pipe up on this question about what I see as the most important role of the U2UG. When the idea came to me to work with folks to get this off the ground, my thinking was that it would be useful to have such an organization to try to get more visibility for MultiValue in general. Because U2 was under the wing of IBM, if we were going to get some better visibility as a branch of the DBMS industry, the most likely resources for such would come from IBM, having more than 70% of the MV installed base (at least that was a figure I saw at one point, perhaps even 75%). So, the biggest reason for me was raising the visibility of what was then relegated to Gartner's embedded database category. Now that we have the NoSQL folks out there, I think we should be playing ball with them, getting MV to be one category of NoSQL or YesNoSQL for those MV products that do support SQL. Because I now use Cache' I wish I had not married this organization solely to IBM. At the time I figured that Revelation and jBASE/mPower were also third party providers in the U2 space, so that if we built up from U2 to the entire space, it would not be that difficult. Oddly enough, I now do not feel I can be part of the U2UG to any great extent simply because of the angle that initially I selected and the name that our initial board selected. I would like to see the U2UG look in a bigger way at MultiValue industry affiliations and how our niche of the industry can play ball and be more visible and figure out how to play with industry organizations outside of the MV space as well as within. Just my two cents. --dawn -- Dawn M. Wolthuis Take and give some delight today On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 7:13 AM, David Jordan da...@dacono.com.au wrote: snip These are my thoughts to some of the issues raised. *What do you see as the most important role of the U2UG? The U2UG plays a number of important roles to empower users to develop their skills, improve their career opportunities, spread the message and enhance the U2 products. Some of the issues that I have worked on within the user group has included working to open the U2 knowledge base that had been previously been restricted to licensed users, in lobbying management in IBM and Informix to recognise the U2 technology and issues such as connection pooling and better documentation. These were made possible by showing solidarity of a passionate group of users. snip -- Dawn M. Wolthuis Take and give some delight today ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment
In a message dated 3/20/2011 11:18:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time, antli...@youngman.org.uk writes: I repeat. You yourself said that you weren't telling other people what to do. Then PLEASE DON'T! Please STOP TELLING ROCKET TO GIVE MONEY TO U2UG. Please STOP TELLING U2UG TO SPEND THE MONEY. I'm not telling people, I'm telling a company. Rocket wants something out of U2UG but won't give it the financial backing it needs. That's not productive. Can you please scream a lot because everybody loves it :) W ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment
In a message dated 3/20/2011 11:43:58 AM Pacific Daylight Time, dw...@tincat-group.com writes: Would any good come from expanding to become the MVUG? Even when I write that, I think it is likely a bad idea, given that Spectrum could fill that role instead, perhaps (but Spectrum is a for profit working within the MV space, this would be a non-profit working to get exposure for MV outside of the existing MV space). Dawn you need to look at the history. I've only touched on the fact that the SMA was developed, albeit vendor-to-vendor to address this very space. You're talking about the same thing on a user level. Pick User's Groups physically have disappeared, but the Pick Users are still out there. Who supports them in a general sense if they can't afford or aren't being sponsored to go to Spectrum? Their companies say the technology is old because they aren't being contacted, no outreach, they aren't being touched or tickled by the vendors. They feel isolated. Whose fault is that? Without the monthly Pick User Group meetings, there's no constant contact. What fills the void? Would a mvUG work? I don't know, would a U2UG work? It's better to try and fail. W ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
