Re: [U2] u2ug.net Website
Thanks Larry. That was what I was alluding to. I just thought Network Solutions had control of those records, but you've set me straight on that. I suspect the process isn't any different, just who's doing it is. Thanks again. Bill - Original Message - *From:* lar...@wcs-corp.com *To:* 'U2 Users List' *Date:* 4/4/2012 8:56 PM *Subject:* Re: [U2] u2ug.net Website To reiterate -- AngelicHost hosts the DNS for U2UG.org. We have complete control over the A, MX, CNAME, etc. records. Right now, all of the DNS records point to one of our servers. I have a redirect setup on that server so that any incoming requests for www.u2ug.org are redirected to www.u2ug.net. It's a simple matter to modify the A record for www.u2ug.org to point it to the appropriate server. Because of the lists, we need to keep the MX record pointed to our server, but if we want "official" @u2ug.org email addresses for the board, or whatever, those can be accommodated. Larry Hiscock AngelicHost Western Computer Services -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Don Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 5:34 PM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] u2ug.net Website Bill, You missed something =). Network solutions does not host the domain only redirects to the specified named server(s) (ns9.angelichost.net), i.e. doesn't host the A or MX record directly. Respectfully, Don V. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Haskett Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 12:57 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] u2ug.net Website Robert: [snipped..] When I looked at the "whois" record for "u2ug.org", the sponsoring registrar and the Tech organization for the "u2ug.org" domain is Network Solutions, LLC. I may have missed something here, which is quite possible. :-) Bill - Original Message - *From:* ropor...@ochsner.org *To:* U2 Users List *Date:* 4/4/2012 9:08 AM *Subject:* Re: [U2] u2ug.net Website Pointing the WWW host isn't so much about where/who the registrar is, but where the nameservers are. Network Solutions does offer DNS services, but the u2ug.org domain appears to use angelichost.net nameservers. Not sure if Don has direct control over the A records or not. Plus a few hosts frown on records pointing to other providers (mainly paranoid ones)... He may have to ask them to do it, and possibly explain why he'd want it that way. Robert ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] u2ug.net Website
Don: Ahhh...the old let's do it differently so we can kill ourselves in the future hosting problem. I've been there a number of times. :-( Who hosts the A and MX records? Bill - Original Message - *From:* u2-us...@southeast-florida.com *To:* 'U2 Users List' *Date:* 4/4/2012 5:33 PM *Subject:* Re: [U2] u2ug.net Website Bill, You missed something =). Network solutions does not host the domain only redirects to the specified named server(s) (ns9.angelichost.net), i.e. doesn't host the A or MX record directly. Respectfully, Don V. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Haskett Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 12:57 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] u2ug.net Website Robert: [snipped..] When I looked at the "whois" record for "u2ug.org", the sponsoring registrar and the Tech organization for the "u2ug.org" domain is Network Solutions, LLC. I may have missed something here, which is quite possible. :-) Bill - Original Message - *From:* ropor...@ochsner.org *To:* U2 Users List *Date:* 4/4/2012 9:08 AM *Subject:* Re: [U2] u2ug.net Website Pointing the WWW host isn't so much about where/who the registrar is, but where the nameservers are. Network Solutions does offer DNS services, but the u2ug.org domain appears to use angelichost.net nameservers. Not sure if Don has direct control over the A records or not. Plus a few hosts frown on records pointing to other providers (mainly paranoid ones)... He may have to ask them to do it, and possibly explain why he'd want it that way. Robert ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Unable to unlink the operating system file BILLS.123
Also, I've found the unlocker tool... http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/System-Miscellaneous/Unlocker.shtml ...a godsend. For stuff that's locked this can be just what's needed to get rid of the lock. HTH, Bill - Original Message - *From:* br...@brianleach.co.uk *To:* U2 Users List *Date:* 4/4/2012 11:37 AM *Subject:* Re: [U2] Unable to unlink the operating system file BILLS.123 Will it usually means something is holding it open, if you download the sysinternals tools (Google sysinternals) they can show you the processes holding a file open. From memory its the 'handle' command but check the docs. Sent from my iPad On 4 Apr 2012, at 19:15, Wjhonson wrote: After beating this program / phantom / script / shell /... I finally got it to spit out why it kept failing in the middle of the night. This is Universe 10.2.3 on Windows 7 Professional (if that matters) LINE 121 Unable to unlink the operating system file "BILLS.123" I'm trying to delete this file on this line, so what sort of thing causes this particular error ? Could it be that the file is being held open by something? That I don't have permissions to delete ? That the directory is read-only in Windows? What is my checklist to run through, to figure out which issue is my issue? __ ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] u2ug.net Website
To reiterate -- AngelicHost hosts the DNS for U2UG.org. We have complete control over the A, MX, CNAME, etc. records. Right now, all of the DNS records point to one of our servers. I have a redirect setup on that server so that any incoming requests for www.u2ug.org are redirected to www.u2ug.net. It's a simple matter to modify the A record for www.u2ug.org to point it to the appropriate server. Because of the lists, we need to keep the MX record pointed to our server, but if we want "official" @u2ug.org email addresses for the board, or whatever, those can be accommodated. Larry Hiscock AngelicHost Western Computer Services -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Don Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 5:34 PM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] u2ug.net Website Bill, You missed something =). Network solutions does not host the domain only redirects to the specified named server(s) (ns9.angelichost.net), i.e. doesn't host the A or MX record directly. Respectfully, Don V. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Haskett Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 12:57 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] u2ug.net Website Robert: [snipped..] When I looked at the "whois" record for "u2ug.org", the sponsoring registrar and the Tech organization for the "u2ug.org" domain is Network Solutions, LLC. I may have missed something here, which is quite possible. :-) Bill - Original Message - *From:* ropor...@ochsner.org *To:* U2 Users List *Date:* 4/4/2012 9:08 AM *Subject:* Re: [U2] u2ug.net Website > Pointing the WWW host isn't so much about where/who the registrar is, > but where the nameservers are. > Network Solutions does offer DNS services, but the u2ug.org domain > appears to use angelichost.net > nameservers. Not sure if Don has direct control over the A records or not. Plus a few hosts frown on > records pointing to other providers (mainly paranoid ones)... He may > have to ask them to do it, and > possibly explain why he'd want it that way. > > Robert > ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] u2ug.net Website
Bill, You missed something =). Network solutions does not host the domain only redirects to the specified named server(s) (ns9.angelichost.net), i.e. doesn't host the A or MX record directly. Respectfully, Don V. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Haskett Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 12:57 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] u2ug.net Website Robert: [snipped..] When I looked at the "whois" record for "u2ug.org", the sponsoring registrar and the Tech organization for the "u2ug.org" domain is Network Solutions, LLC. I may have missed something here, which is quite possible. :-) Bill - Original Message - *From:* ropor...@ochsner.org *To:* U2 Users List *Date:* 4/4/2012 9:08 AM *Subject:* Re: [U2] u2ug.net Website > Pointing the WWW host isn't so much about where/who the registrar is, but where the nameservers are. > Network Solutions does offer DNS services, but the u2ug.org domain appears to use angelichost.net > nameservers. Not sure if Don has direct control over the A records or not. Plus a few hosts frown on > records pointing to other providers (mainly paranoid ones)... He may have to ask them to do it, and > possibly explain why he'd want it that way. > > Robert > ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] u2ug.net Website
Brian, Larry, and Robert (for the explanation to the others of my predicament). I have been trying to figure out how to redirect the www.u2ug.org to Brian's new webserver (IP) without disrupting the listserver.u2ug.org. Robert you are correct that Network Solutions does not host the domain record but merely points to the appropriate domain named server (angelichost.net, Larry). Network Solutions would not allow me to simply point to an IP address, it's requires 2 named servers. I was thinking about have Network Solutions redirect it, but that requires Network Solutions to host the DNS and I didn't want to disrupt this list. I attempting to go through the solutions one by one and was at a point of giving up =). Now that I know all the players involved (Specifically, Larry) it seems that he can redirect www.u2ug.org from angelichost.net server. I will file Mr. Hisock's information away in a secret file. =) I will also give my contact information to him directly. Thank you all for your patience during this transition. Don Verhagen -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Robert Porter Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 2:27 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] u2ug.net Website This may be more about name resolution than you ever wanted to know, but here goes anyway... (knowledge is always a good thing). Sorry for the long post, domain name resolution is often misunderstood (kind of like people referring to somename.com as a "top level domain" or TLD - it's not, it's a 2nd level domain. The TLD is "com".) The SOA nameservers in question are controlled by angelichost.net not Network Solutions (unless NS has some connection to Angelic I'm unaware of which is entirely possible). The only authoritative nameservers for the domain are ns9 and ns10 on angelichost.net's network. Anything else would have to be caching. Name resolution is hierarchical and works from right to left... ORG, U2UG.ORG, etc... The reason it works from anywhere is when you type it in locally, it will go to the one of the 13 root nameservers, aka (letter a-m).root-servers.net, (run by Verisign/Network Solutions and MANY others including NASA, DOD, Cogent, etc.) if not in cache based on the TLD in this case .ORG, it will then ask for the nameservers for the next level (U2UG.ORG in this case). In this case it will get ns9/ns10.angelichost.net. Root nameservers do not contain the zone records for the hosts themselves only the nameservers that are authoritative. It could keep going based on the break up of the domains. You can see this in action if you like... Here's part of the query for www.u2ug.org to a.root-servers.net: Default server: a.root-servers.net Address: 2001:503:ba3e::2:30#53 > set q=any > www.u2ug.org Server: a.root-servers.net Address:198.41.0.4#53 Non-authoritative answer: *** Can't find www.u2ug.org: No answer Authoritative answers can be found from: org nameserver = a0.org.afilias-nst.info. org nameserver = b0.org.afilias-nst.org. (clipped) Note how it says it cannot answer authoritatively, and points to the next level... Next I set the server to the 1st in the list from the root server Default server: a0.org.afilias-nst.info Address: 2001:500:e::1#53 > www.u2ug.org Server: a0.org.afilias-nst.info Address:199.19.56.1#53 Non-authoritative answer: *** Can't find www.u2ug.org: No answer > set q=any > www.u2ug.org Server: a0.org.afilias-nst.info Address:199.19.56.1#53 Non-authoritative answer: *** Can't find www.u2ug.org: No answer Authoritative answers can be found from: u2ug.orgnameserver = ns9.angelichost.net. u2ug.orgnameserver = ns10.angelichost.net. > Notice that the 1st time I messed up and hadn't set a q=any yet (query any/all information) and it refused to give me any answer at all. After I get the q=any, it simply pointed me up the change (or down if you like) to the angelichost.net servers... From there I can get the host. > server ns9.angelichost.net Default server: ns9.angelichost.net Address: 216.240.154.246#53 > set q=any > www.u2ug.org Server: ns9.angelichost.net Address:216.240.154.246#53 Name: www.u2ug.org Address: 216.240.154.254 Those are the only 2 servers that can answer authoritatively. I've got at least a dozen nameservers under my control... Network Solutions has access to none of them. If they were to request a propagation of a domain (aka a zone transfer) it would be denied by the nameserver as it would not recognize their servers as having rights to do so (nor do they need it for dns resolution to work). This is a common security measure. I (or my clients) make DNS zone updates all the time, and N.S. isn't involved... The only zone transfers that take place are between the SOA namservers (those listed as nameservers for the domain) the upper level DNS servers only get involved when there
Re: [U2] u2ug.net Website
Hey Larry! First off, thanks for all you've done, and continue to do for U2UG and U2 users. It's greatly appreciated. My .02 is that the user group have a constant, positive "face to the world". My choice is that everything that comes from, or goes to U2UG is tagged as U2UG.ORG. Currently, it's confusing! New u2ug Pres David Jordan is taking a fresh look at where the group is, and more importantly, where the group wants to be... keeping in mind how u2ug can best to serve the U2 community. In my mind, the consistent use of a domain name across the board is crucial to presenting this "positive" face. This means that all links to and from the u2ug web site, the u2ug wiki, mail messages, forum postings, mail to, mail from, board mailings etc. ALL need to be tagged as from U2UG.org, not the multiple domains we currently have. I'm told this isn't easy. I haven't been told it isn't possible, so, I'm trying. Our 'face to the world' needs to be U2UG.ORG on all fronts. Larry, anything you can do to help, or educate me if I'm way off base :) would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again for all you do. ! Laura Btw, Love that angelichost.net is a subsidiary of WCS. .3 -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Larry Hiscock Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 2:27 PM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] u2ug.net Website FYI - AngelicHost.net is a wholly owned subsidiary of Western Computer Services. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Larry Hiscock Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 11:24 AM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] u2ug.net Website We also host the DNS for u2ug.org, so I can easily repoint www.u2ug.org anywhere you'd like, while keeping listserver.u2ug.org pointed to our listserver. What say you? --Larry Larry Hiscock Western Computer Services -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Brian Leach Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 12:41 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] u2ug.net Website Colin The u2ug.org web was redirecting to my old hosted provider, which I no longer use. The change to a new provider - with more capacity - is one step towards rewriting the site (finally), itself part of a very exciting set of proposals the board are putting together for the direction in which we wish to be taking the group. We will be putting out a release over the next few weeks to the members to outline our strategy, and I have to say personally I think its a great direction that David J has encouraged and that will make the group genuinely more useful to all its members. Thats the teaser, now you're all going to have to wait - ha, ha! Now the complication is (isnt there always?) that u2ug.org domain is owned by one of our members who very kindly looks after this email list. There are no plans to change the list, and so we keep that name for email. At some point I hope he will also redirect the web traffic to the new site so it remains consistent, it just hasn't happened yet. Brian Sent from my iPad On 4 Apr 2012, at 00:22, Colin Alfke wrote: > Yeah, I thought .org redirected to .net at one point. I did ask in the > website forum about email (as it's still using .org). I tried to ask > Laura Hirsch why the change was made but was having trouble with my > email and I don't think the question ever got out. > > Brian, if it's supposed to redirect - it's not doing it now. > > Today's been a good day, but we have a snowfall warning so it may change > > Colin > > -Original Message- > From: Bill Haskett > Sent: April 3, 2012 3:55 PM > To: U2 Users List > Subject: Re: [U2] u2ug.net Website > > Colin: > > The domain was changed from u2ug.org to u2ug.net. I think the .org > was going to Brian's IP address and is the one that doesn't work. Not > sure why they changed the domain. > > Sometimes we all have days like these. :-( > > Bill > > > > ___ > U2-Users mailing list > U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org > http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Universe: IF statements in parargraphs don't work anymore
I just noticed the OP posted his original message nearly 4 years ago, so I don't know if he's still listening, but thought I'd reply anyway for the benefit of anyone else who might have interest. I put a wrappers around ED and DELETE many, many years ago, and it hasn't been a problem. My solution to the custom version getting wiped out is to keep all of our customized VOC entries in a file named VOC.MOD. The only time our VOCs get updated is during a hardware upgrade, and I copy the contents of VOC.MOD back into VOC as part of the process. -John -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Porterfield Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 3:04 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Universe: IF statements in parargraphs don't work anymore Louie Bergsagel gmail.com> writes: > > No, that works fine. You only need a label if you want to skip some lines. > > Turns out somebody had deleted the VOC equal sign record "=". > > Which brings up a good security question, how do you prevent someone > from deleting things? Put shell around ED and DELETE? > It would be a bummer to have to make VOC read-only. > > On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Ron Hutchings > hotmail.com> > wrote: > > > On Line 6 don't you need to go to a label to execute a command > > instead of trying to directly execute it? > --- > u2-users mailing list > u2-users listserver.u2ug.org > To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ > > Check into the Security Subroutines section of the Administrators Guide. 1) Make a temporary copy of ED in your VOC, call it ED.BAK. This is your backdoor in case of problems. I would also have a separate account with a pointer to the main account's VOC. This account you can lock with a simple paragraph that says if @LOGNAME isn't you, LOGOUT. 2) Write a security subroutine that conforms to the specs given in Chapter 8 of the Administrators guide. Catalog it in the global catalog. 2) Copy the verbs you want to secure, including ED, into your VOCLIB. 3) Change the verbs in the VOC to Remote pointers to your VOCLIB, and add the name of your security routine to line 4. (I might suggest testing the R pointers before applying the security routine.) 4) Once you're sure your security is working as planned, and that you can use the ED program you've secured, then remove your back door ED.BAK. Remember, you can still fix the VOC from your other account if you manage to lock yourself out. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Unable to unlink the operating system file BILLS.123
If it worked and in a loop, check that the previous shell did finish. It might still have the file opened, therefore cannot be deleted (unlink). Cheers! hp On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 2:15 PM, Wjhonson wrote: > > After beating this program / phantom / script / shell /... I finally got > it to spit out why it kept failing in the middle of the night. > This is Universe 10.2.3 on Windows 7 Professional (if that matters) > > LINE 121 Unable to unlink the operating system file "BILLS.123" > > I'm trying to delete this file on this line, so what sort of thing causes > this particular error ? > > Could it be that the file is being held open by something? That I don't > have permissions to delete ? > That the directory is read-only in Windows? > > What is my checklist to run through, to figure out which issue is my issue? > > ___ > U2-Users mailing list > U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org > http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > -- *hp* ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] u2ug.net Website
Larry Thank you. Brian Sent from my iPad On 4 Apr 2012, at 19:34, "Larry Hiscock" wrote: > In the meantime, I've added a rewrite rule to redirect www.u2ug.org to > www.u2ug.net > > --Larry > > Larry Hiscock > AngelicHost > Western Computer Services > > > -Original Message- > From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org > [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Robert Porter > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 11:27 AM > To: U2 Users List > Subject: Re: [U2] u2ug.net Website > > This may be more about name resolution than you ever wanted to know, but > here goes anyway... (knowledge is always a good thing). Sorry for the long > post, domain name resolution is often misunderstood (kind of like people > referring to somename.com as a "top level domain" or TLD - it's not, it's a > 2nd level domain. The TLD is "com".) > > The SOA nameservers in question are controlled by angelichost.net not > Network Solutions (unless NS has some connection to Angelic I'm unaware of > which is entirely possible). The only authoritative nameservers for the > domain are ns9 and ns10 on angelichost.net's network. Anything else would > have to be caching. > > Name resolution is hierarchical and works from right to left... ORG, > U2UG.ORG, etc... The reason it works from anywhere is when you type it in > locally, it will go to the one of the 13 root nameservers, aka (letter > a-m).root-servers.net, (run by Verisign/Network Solutions and MANY others > including NASA, DOD, Cogent, etc.) if not in cache based on the TLD in this > case .ORG, it will then ask for the nameservers for the next level (U2UG.ORG > in this case). In this case it will get ns9/ns10.angelichost.net. Root > nameservers do not contain the zone records for the hosts themselves only > the nameservers that are authoritative. It could keep going based on the > break up of the domains. > > You can see this in action if you like... Here's part of the query for > www.u2ug.org to a.root-servers.net: > Default server: a.root-servers.net > Address: 2001:503:ba3e::2:30#53 >> set q=any >> www.u2ug.org > Server: a.root-servers.net > Address:198.41.0.4#53 > > Non-authoritative answer: > *** Can't find www.u2ug.org: No answer > > Authoritative answers can be found from: > org nameserver = a0.org.afilias-nst.info. > org nameserver = b0.org.afilias-nst.org. > (clipped) > > Note how it says it cannot answer authoritatively, and points to the next > level... > Next I set the server to the 1st in the list from the root server Default > server: a0.org.afilias-nst.info > Address: 2001:500:e::1#53 >> www.u2ug.org > Server: a0.org.afilias-nst.info > Address:199.19.56.1#53 > > Non-authoritative answer: > *** Can't find www.u2ug.org: No answer >> set q=any >> www.u2ug.org > Server: a0.org.afilias-nst.info > Address:199.19.56.1#53 > > Non-authoritative answer: > *** Can't find www.u2ug.org: No answer > > Authoritative answers can be found from: > u2ug.orgnameserver = ns9.angelichost.net. > u2ug.orgnameserver = ns10.angelichost.net. >> > Notice that the 1st time I messed up and hadn't set a q=any yet (query > any/all information) and it refused to give me any answer at all. After I > get the q=any, it simply pointed me up the change (or down if you like) to > the angelichost.net servers... From there I can get the host. > >> server ns9.angelichost.net > Default server: ns9.angelichost.net > Address: 216.240.154.246#53 >> set q=any >> www.u2ug.org > Server: ns9.angelichost.net > Address:216.240.154.246#53 > > Name: www.u2ug.org > Address: 216.240.154.254 > > Those are the only 2 servers that can answer authoritatively. > > I've got at least a dozen nameservers under my control... Network Solutions > has access to none of them. If they were to request a propagation of a > domain (aka a zone transfer) it would be denied by the nameserver as it > would not recognize their servers as having rights to do so (nor do they > need it for dns resolution to work). This is a common security measure. I > (or my clients) make DNS zone updates all the time, and N.S. isn't > involved... The only zone transfers that take place are between the SOA > namservers (those listed as nameservers for the domain) the upper level DNS > servers only get involved when there's a change of nameservers for the > domain not for host level changes. > > The other nameservers around the world would not resolve the name except if > it was in cache - meaning a client requested it and the domain's TTL (Time > To Live - most are set to 12 hours, other more volatile domains drop that to > 15 minutes... 15 minutes is the shortest most nameservers will honor). At > the TTL has expired, the name must be re-resolved starting the right to left > process over ORG's namservers -> U2UG.ORG's nameservers -> host resolution. > > I have seen reputable companies frown on it without explanation (I've b
Re: [U2] Unable to unlink the operating system file BILLS.123
If you have a file defined in Universe where field 2 is the path to the file like BILLS F D:\universe\accounting\BILLS D_VOC and you OPEN the file in BASIC Should you then be able to delete records within this file (Files within this directory) ? Or does the mere fact that you have a directory open prevent the deletion of the underlying files ? I could, if this is the problem, just recreate the file as a type 1 (directory) so that it doesn't expose a path in field 2 above -Original Message- From: Brian Leach To: U2 Users List Sent: Wed, Apr 4, 2012 11:38 am Subject: Re: [U2] Unable to unlink the operating system file BILLS.123 Will it usually means something is holding it open, if you download the sysinternals ools (Google sysinternals) they can show you the processes holding a file open. rom memory its the 'handle' command but check the docs. Sent from my iPad On 4 Apr 2012, at 19:15, Wjhonson wrote: > After beating this program / phantom / script / shell /... I finally got it to pit out why it kept failing in the middle of the night. This is Universe 10.2.3 on Windows 7 Professional (if that matters) LINE 121 Unable to unlink the operating system file "BILLS.123" I'm trying to delete this file on this line, so what sort of thing causes this articular error ? Could it be that the file is being held open by something? That I don't have ermissions to delete ? That the directory is read-only in Windows? What is my checklist to run through, to figure out which issue is my issue? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users __ 2-Users mailing list 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Unable to unlink the operating system file BILLS.123
Will it usually means something is holding it open, if you download the sysinternals tools (Google sysinternals) they can show you the processes holding a file open. From memory its the 'handle' command but check the docs. Sent from my iPad On 4 Apr 2012, at 19:15, Wjhonson wrote: > > After beating this program / phantom / script / shell /... I finally got it > to spit out why it kept failing in the middle of the night. > This is Universe 10.2.3 on Windows 7 Professional (if that matters) > > LINE 121 Unable to unlink the operating system file "BILLS.123" > > I'm trying to delete this file on this line, so what sort of thing causes > this particular error ? > > Could it be that the file is being held open by something? That I don't have > permissions to delete ? > That the directory is read-only in Windows? > > What is my checklist to run through, to figure out which issue is my issue? > > ___ > U2-Users mailing list > U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org > http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] u2ug.net Website
In the meantime, I've added a rewrite rule to redirect www.u2ug.org to www.u2ug.net --Larry Larry Hiscock AngelicHost Western Computer Services -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Robert Porter Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 11:27 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] u2ug.net Website This may be more about name resolution than you ever wanted to know, but here goes anyway... (knowledge is always a good thing). Sorry for the long post, domain name resolution is often misunderstood (kind of like people referring to somename.com as a "top level domain" or TLD - it's not, it's a 2nd level domain. The TLD is "com".) The SOA nameservers in question are controlled by angelichost.net not Network Solutions (unless NS has some connection to Angelic I'm unaware of which is entirely possible). The only authoritative nameservers for the domain are ns9 and ns10 on angelichost.net's network. Anything else would have to be caching. Name resolution is hierarchical and works from right to left... ORG, U2UG.ORG, etc... The reason it works from anywhere is when you type it in locally, it will go to the one of the 13 root nameservers, aka (letter a-m).root-servers.net, (run by Verisign/Network Solutions and MANY others including NASA, DOD, Cogent, etc.) if not in cache based on the TLD in this case .ORG, it will then ask for the nameservers for the next level (U2UG.ORG in this case). In this case it will get ns9/ns10.angelichost.net. Root nameservers do not contain the zone records for the hosts themselves only the nameservers that are authoritative. It could keep going based on the break up of the domains. You can see this in action if you like... Here's part of the query for www.u2ug.org to a.root-servers.net: Default server: a.root-servers.net Address: 2001:503:ba3e::2:30#53 > set q=any > www.u2ug.org Server: a.root-servers.net Address:198.41.0.4#53 Non-authoritative answer: *** Can't find www.u2ug.org: No answer Authoritative answers can be found from: org nameserver = a0.org.afilias-nst.info. org nameserver = b0.org.afilias-nst.org. (clipped) Note how it says it cannot answer authoritatively, and points to the next level... Next I set the server to the 1st in the list from the root server Default server: a0.org.afilias-nst.info Address: 2001:500:e::1#53 > www.u2ug.org Server: a0.org.afilias-nst.info Address:199.19.56.1#53 Non-authoritative answer: *** Can't find www.u2ug.org: No answer > set q=any > www.u2ug.org Server: a0.org.afilias-nst.info Address:199.19.56.1#53 Non-authoritative answer: *** Can't find www.u2ug.org: No answer Authoritative answers can be found from: u2ug.orgnameserver = ns9.angelichost.net. u2ug.orgnameserver = ns10.angelichost.net. > Notice that the 1st time I messed up and hadn't set a q=any yet (query any/all information) and it refused to give me any answer at all. After I get the q=any, it simply pointed me up the change (or down if you like) to the angelichost.net servers... From there I can get the host. > server ns9.angelichost.net Default server: ns9.angelichost.net Address: 216.240.154.246#53 > set q=any > www.u2ug.org Server: ns9.angelichost.net Address:216.240.154.246#53 Name: www.u2ug.org Address: 216.240.154.254 Those are the only 2 servers that can answer authoritatively. I've got at least a dozen nameservers under my control... Network Solutions has access to none of them. If they were to request a propagation of a domain (aka a zone transfer) it would be denied by the nameserver as it would not recognize their servers as having rights to do so (nor do they need it for dns resolution to work). This is a common security measure. I (or my clients) make DNS zone updates all the time, and N.S. isn't involved... The only zone transfers that take place are between the SOA namservers (those listed as nameservers for the domain) the upper level DNS servers only get involved when there's a change of nameservers for the domain not for host level changes. The other nameservers around the world would not resolve the name except if it was in cache - meaning a client requested it and the domain's TTL (Time To Live - most are set to 12 hours, other more volatile domains drop that to 15 minutes... 15 minutes is the shortest most nameservers will honor). At the TTL has expired, the name must be re-resolved starting the right to left process over ORG's namservers -> U2UG.ORG's nameservers -> host resolution. I have seen reputable companies frown on it without explanation (I've been actively working with/in the hosting industry for a long time...) It's unusual enough that it would at least raise questions. Many hosts are protective of their networks. If something raises a red flag (spam?) they'd at least look a little harder at it. __
Re: [U2] u2ug.net Website
FYI - AngelicHost.net is a wholly owned subsidiary of Western Computer Services. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Larry Hiscock Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 11:24 AM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] u2ug.net Website We also host the DNS for u2ug.org, so I can easily repoint www.u2ug.org anywhere you'd like, while keeping listserver.u2ug.org pointed to our listserver. What say you? --Larry Larry Hiscock Western Computer Services -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Brian Leach Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 12:41 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] u2ug.net Website Colin The u2ug.org web was redirecting to my old hosted provider, which I no longer use. The change to a new provider - with more capacity - is one step towards rewriting the site (finally), itself part of a very exciting set of proposals the board are putting together for the direction in which we wish to be taking the group. We will be putting out a release over the next few weeks to the members to outline our strategy, and I have to say personally I think its a great direction that David J has encouraged and that will make the group genuinely more useful to all its members. Thats the teaser, now you're all going to have to wait - ha, ha! Now the complication is (isnt there always?) that u2ug.org domain is owned by one of our members who very kindly looks after this email list. There are no plans to change the list, and so we keep that name for email. At some point I hope he will also redirect the web traffic to the new site so it remains consistent, it just hasn't happened yet. Brian Sent from my iPad On 4 Apr 2012, at 00:22, Colin Alfke wrote: > Yeah, I thought .org redirected to .net at one point. I did ask in the > website forum about email (as it's still using .org). I tried to ask > Laura Hirsch why the change was made but was having trouble with my > email and I don't think the question ever got out. > > Brian, if it's supposed to redirect - it's not doing it now. > > Today's been a good day, but we have a snowfall warning so it may change > > Colin > > -Original Message- > From: Bill Haskett > Sent: April 3, 2012 3:55 PM > To: U2 Users List > Subject: Re: [U2] u2ug.net Website > > Colin: > > The domain was changed from u2ug.org to u2ug.net. I think the .org > was going to Brian's IP address and is the one that doesn't work. Not > sure why they changed the domain. > > Sometimes we all have days like these. :-( > > Bill > > > > ___ > U2-Users mailing list > U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org > http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] u2ug.net Website
This may be more about name resolution than you ever wanted to know, but here goes anyway... (knowledge is always a good thing). Sorry for the long post, domain name resolution is often misunderstood (kind of like people referring to somename.com as a "top level domain" or TLD - it's not, it's a 2nd level domain. The TLD is "com".) The SOA nameservers in question are controlled by angelichost.net not Network Solutions (unless NS has some connection to Angelic I'm unaware of which is entirely possible). The only authoritative nameservers for the domain are ns9 and ns10 on angelichost.net's network. Anything else would have to be caching. Name resolution is hierarchical and works from right to left... ORG, U2UG.ORG, etc... The reason it works from anywhere is when you type it in locally, it will go to the one of the 13 root nameservers, aka (letter a-m).root-servers.net, (run by Verisign/Network Solutions and MANY others including NASA, DOD, Cogent, etc.) if not in cache based on the TLD in this case .ORG, it will then ask for the nameservers for the next level (U2UG.ORG in this case). In this case it will get ns9/ns10.angelichost.net. Root nameservers do not contain the zone records for the hosts themselves only the nameservers that are authoritative. It could keep going based on the break up of the domains. You can see this in action if you like... Here's part of the query for www.u2ug.org to a.root-servers.net: Default server: a.root-servers.net Address: 2001:503:ba3e::2:30#53 > set q=any > www.u2ug.org Server: a.root-servers.net Address:198.41.0.4#53 Non-authoritative answer: *** Can't find www.u2ug.org: No answer Authoritative answers can be found from: org nameserver = a0.org.afilias-nst.info. org nameserver = b0.org.afilias-nst.org. (clipped) Note how it says it cannot answer authoritatively, and points to the next level... Next I set the server to the 1st in the list from the root server Default server: a0.org.afilias-nst.info Address: 2001:500:e::1#53 > www.u2ug.org Server: a0.org.afilias-nst.info Address:199.19.56.1#53 Non-authoritative answer: *** Can't find www.u2ug.org: No answer > set q=any > www.u2ug.org Server: a0.org.afilias-nst.info Address:199.19.56.1#53 Non-authoritative answer: *** Can't find www.u2ug.org: No answer Authoritative answers can be found from: u2ug.orgnameserver = ns9.angelichost.net. u2ug.orgnameserver = ns10.angelichost.net. > Notice that the 1st time I messed up and hadn't set a q=any yet (query any/all information) and it refused to give me any answer at all. After I get the q=any, it simply pointed me up the change (or down if you like) to the angelichost.net servers... From there I can get the host. > server ns9.angelichost.net Default server: ns9.angelichost.net Address: 216.240.154.246#53 > set q=any > www.u2ug.org Server: ns9.angelichost.net Address:216.240.154.246#53 Name: www.u2ug.org Address: 216.240.154.254 Those are the only 2 servers that can answer authoritatively. I've got at least a dozen nameservers under my control... Network Solutions has access to none of them. If they were to request a propagation of a domain (aka a zone transfer) it would be denied by the nameserver as it would not recognize their servers as having rights to do so (nor do they need it for dns resolution to work). This is a common security measure. I (or my clients) make DNS zone updates all the time, and N.S. isn't involved... The only zone transfers that take place are between the SOA namservers (those listed as nameservers for the domain) the upper level DNS servers only get involved when there's a change of nameservers for the domain not for host level changes. The other nameservers around the world would not resolve the name except if it was in cache - meaning a client requested it and the domain's TTL (Time To Live - most are set to 12 hours, other more volatile domains drop that to 15 minutes... 15 minutes is the shortest most nameservers will honor). At the TTL has expired, the name must be re-resolved starting the right to left process over ORG's namservers -> U2UG.ORG's nameservers -> host resolution. I have seen reputable companies frown on it without explanation (I've been actively working with/in the hosting industry for a long time...) It's unusual enough that it would at least raise questions. Many hosts are protective of their networks. If something raises a red flag (spam?) they'd at least look a little harder at it. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] u2ug.net Website
We also host the DNS for u2ug.org, so I can easily repoint www.u2ug.org anywhere you'd like, while keeping listserver.u2ug.org pointed to our listserver. What say you? --Larry Larry Hiscock Western Computer Services -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Brian Leach Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 12:41 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] u2ug.net Website Colin The u2ug.org web was redirecting to my old hosted provider, which I no longer use. The change to a new provider - with more capacity - is one step towards rewriting the site (finally), itself part of a very exciting set of proposals the board are putting together for the direction in which we wish to be taking the group. We will be putting out a release over the next few weeks to the members to outline our strategy, and I have to say personally I think its a great direction that David J has encouraged and that will make the group genuinely more useful to all its members. Thats the teaser, now you're all going to have to wait - ha, ha! Now the complication is (isnt there always?) that u2ug.org domain is owned by one of our members who very kindly looks after this email list. There are no plans to change the list, and so we keep that name for email. At some point I hope he will also redirect the web traffic to the new site so it remains consistent, it just hasn't happened yet. Brian Sent from my iPad On 4 Apr 2012, at 00:22, Colin Alfke wrote: > Yeah, I thought .org redirected to .net at one point. I did ask in the > website forum about email (as it's still using .org). I tried to ask > Laura Hirsch why the change was made but was having trouble with my > email and I don't think the question ever got out. > > Brian, if it's supposed to redirect - it's not doing it now. > > Today's been a good day, but we have a snowfall warning so it may change > > Colin > > -Original Message- > From: Bill Haskett > Sent: April 3, 2012 3:55 PM > To: U2 Users List > Subject: Re: [U2] u2ug.net Website > > Colin: > > The domain was changed from u2ug.org to u2ug.net. I think the .org > was going to Brian's IP address and is the one that doesn't work. Not > sure why they changed the domain. > > Sometimes we all have days like these. :-( > > Bill > > > > ___ > U2-Users mailing list > U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org > http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
[U2] Unable to unlink the operating system file BILLS.123
After beating this program / phantom / script / shell /... I finally got it to spit out why it kept failing in the middle of the night. This is Universe 10.2.3 on Windows 7 Professional (if that matters) LINE 121 Unable to unlink the operating system file "BILLS.123" I'm trying to delete this file on this line, so what sort of thing causes this particular error ? Could it be that the file is being held open by something? That I don't have permissions to delete ? That the directory is read-only in Windows? What is my checklist to run through, to figure out which issue is my issue? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] u2ug.net Website
Robert: From my understanding, name servers are all around the internet. When an "A" record (or other records) is changed this change propagates around to the appropriate name servers; that's why Brian and I can access "www.u2ug.org" from anywhere in the world when we're using completely different name servers. With network solutions, they initiate this change toward the internet when I make a change to my domain's records, which they have authority to maintain. I didn't mean Network Solutions maintains the name servers, just that they can initiate the required propagation. Most companies that maintain domain names allow the update of 'A' and 'MX' records and will forward them out to the internet's name servers. I haven't experienced a reputable domain company that "frowns" upon me pointing my 'A' records to a server maintained by anybody (well spammers and the like excepted) and didn't realize companies would do this. When I looked at the "whois" record for "u2ug.org", the sponsoring registrar and the Tech organization for the "u2ug.org" domain is Network Solutions, LLC. I may have missed something here, which is quite possible. :-) Bill - Original Message - *From:* ropor...@ochsner.org *To:* U2 Users List *Date:* 4/4/2012 9:08 AM *Subject:* Re: [U2] u2ug.net Website Pointing the WWW host isn't so much about where/who the registrar is, but where the nameservers are. Network Solutions does offer DNS services, but the u2ug.org domain appears to use angelichost.net nameservers. Not sure if Don has direct control over the A records or not. Plus a few hosts frown on records pointing to other providers (mainly paranoid ones)... He may have to ask them to do it, and possibly explain why he'd want it that way. Robert ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Universe: IF statements in parargraphs don't work anymore
Brian: Theoretically speaking, of course, couldn't you give an administrator write privileges and everyone else read and execute privileges to the VOC. If one assumes the application isn't writing anything to the VOC, which I know is unlikely, this is doable. But, you know, the U2 group hasn't done much to secure the dbms. You need to be a Windows user, the user (if it's not default) has to be loaded into the registry via UniAdmin, there's no reasonable way to restrict access within U2 at the file level. I remember the old Pick that had group permissions and user IDs within the dbms. That seemed to be the way. Anyway, implementing file security is difficult. :-( Bill - Original Message - *From:* br...@brianleach.co.uk *To:* 'U2 Users List' *Date:* 4/4/2012 3:21 AM *Subject:* Re: [U2] Universe: IF statements in parargraphs don't work anymore Jeff is right in theory though you would need to be careful whenever you run an upgrade account. If you really want to secure the VOC you would also need to lock out all other forms of access such as UniObjects: you can easily create a little VBScript to connect through with this and read/write/delete directly. And if anyone can ever get to shell, you have the UVread, UVwrite and UVdelete executables. And if you make the account a SQL schema, the VOC is not a SQL table so you can't use grant permissions. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Porterfield Sent: 03 April 2012 23:04 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Universe: IF statements in parargraphs don't work anymore Louie Bergsagel gmail.com> writes: No, that works fine. You only need a label if you want to skip some lines. Turns out somebody had deleted the VOC equal sign record "=". Which brings up a good security question, how do you prevent someone from deleting things? Put shell around ED and DELETE? It would be a bummer to have to make VOC read-only. On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Ron Hutchings hotmail.com> wrote: On Line 6 don't you need to go to a label to execute a command instead of trying to directly execute it? --- u2-users mailing list u2-users listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ Check into the Security Subroutines section of the Administrators Guide. 1) Make a temporary copy of ED in your VOC, call it ED.BAK. This is your backdoor in case of problems. I would also have a separate account with a pointer to the main account's VOC. This account you can lock with a simple paragraph that says if @LOGNAME isn't you, LOGOUT. 2) Write a security subroutine that conforms to the specs given in Chapter 8 of the Administrators guide. Catalog it in the global catalog. 2) Copy the verbs you want to secure, including ED, into your VOCLIB. 3) Change the verbs in the VOC to Remote pointers to your VOCLIB, and add the name of your security routine to line 4. (I might suggest testing the R pointers before applying the security routine.) 4) Once you're sure your security is working as planned, and that you can use the ED program you've secured, then remove your back door ED.BAK. Remember, you can still fix the VOC from your other account if you manage to lock yourself out. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] u2ug.net Website
Pointing the WWW host isn't so much about where/who the registrar is, but where the nameservers are. Network Solutions does offer DNS services, but the u2ug.org domain appears to use angelichost.net nameservers. Not sure if Don has direct control over the A records or not. Plus a few hosts frown on records pointing to other providers (mainly paranoid ones)... He may have to ask them to do it, and possibly explain why he'd want it that way. Robert ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Universe: IF statements in parargraphs don't work anymore
One way around the UPDATE.ACCOUNT problem that Brian mentions is to invent your own flavour (Your own sub-file under the Pick-style multi-level file under UV/NEWACC). Massage that once per UV upgrade, then apply it to all VOCs that need protecting or customizing. Personally, I wish it was much easier & more practical to make a VOCs read-only. Same for DICTs, where next.available records and EVAL typically make read-only difficult. cds On 4/4/2012 5:21 AM, Brian Leach wrote: Jeff is right in theory though you would need to be careful whenever you run an upgrade account. If you really want to secure the VOC you would also need to lock out all other forms of access such as UniObjects: you can easily create a little VBScript to connect through with this and read/write/delete directly. And if anyone can ever get to shell, you have the UVread, UVwrite and UVdelete executables. And if you make the account a SQL schema, the VOC is not a SQL table so you can't use grant permissions. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Porterfield Sent: 03 April 2012 23:04 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Universe: IF statements in parargraphs don't work anymore Louie Bergsagel gmail.com> writes: No, that works fine. You only need a label if you want to skip some lines. Turns out somebody had deleted the VOC equal sign record "=". Which brings up a good security question, how do you prevent someone from deleting things? Put shell around ED and DELETE? It would be a bummer to have to make VOC read-only. On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Ron Hutchings hotmail.com> wrote: On Line 6 don't you need to go to a label to execute a command instead of trying to directly execute it? Check into the Security Subroutines section of the Administrators Guide. 1) Make a temporary copy of ED in your VOC, call it ED.BAK. This is your backdoor in case of problems. I would also have a separate account with a pointer to the main account's VOC. This account you can lock with a simple paragraph that says if @LOGNAME isn't you, LOGOUT. 2) Write a security subroutine that conforms to the specs given in Chapter 8 of the Administrators guide. Catalog it in the global catalog. 2) Copy the verbs you want to secure, including ED, into your VOCLIB. 3) Change the verbs in the VOC to Remote pointers to your VOCLIB, and add the name of your security routine to line 4. (I might suggest testing the R pointers before applying the security routine.) 4) Once you're sure your security is working as planned, and that you can use the ED program you've secured, then remove your back door ED.BAK. Remember, you can still fix the VOC from your other account if you manage to lock yourself out. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] u2ug.net Website
Brian: "/Now the complication is (isnt there always?) that u2ug.org domain is owned by one of our members who very kindly looks after this email list. There are no plans to change the list, and so we keep that name for email. At some point I hope he will also redirect the web traffic to the new site so it remains consistent, it just hasn't happened yet./" I'm thinking this is a very simple process and the owner would be very happy to route the "www" subdomain to the IP address of the new site. It takes me about 3 minutes to do this via Network Solutions (it takes so long because I have to wade my way through their web site) and the propagation is done within 24 hours. Maybe we can all contact Don; it seems the registration is through Network Solutions. What about it, Don? Would you like help? Bill - Original Message - *From:* br...@brianleach.co.uk *To:* U2 Users List *Date:* 4/4/2012 12:41 AM *Subject:* Re: [U2] u2ug.net Website Colin The u2ug.org web was redirecting to my old hosted provider, which I no longer use. The change to a new provider - with more capacity - is one step towards rewriting the site (finally), itself part of a very exciting set of proposals the board are putting together for the direction in which we wish to be taking the group. We will be putting out a release over the next few weeks to the members to outline our strategy, and I have to say personally I think its a great direction that David J has encouraged and that will make the group genuinely more useful to all its members. Thats the teaser, now you're all going to have to wait - ha, ha! Now the complication is (isnt there always?) that u2ug.org domain is owned by one of our members who very kindly looks after this email list. There are no plans to change the list, and so we keep that name for email. At some point I hope he will also redirect the web traffic to the new site so it remains consistent, it just hasn't happened yet. Brian Sent from my iPad On 4 Apr 2012, at 00:22, Colin Alfke wrote: Yeah, I thought .org redirected to .net at one point. I did ask in the website forum about email (as it's still using .org). I tried to ask Laura Hirsch why the change was made but was having trouble with my email and I don't think the question ever got out. Brian, if it's supposed to redirect - it's not doing it now. Today's been a good day, but we have a snowfall warning so it may change Colin -Original Message- From: Bill Haskett Sent: April 3, 2012 3:55 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] u2ug.net Website Colin: The domain was changed from u2ug.org to u2ug.net. I think the .org was going to Brian's IP address and is the one that doesn't work. Not sure why they changed the domain. Sometimes we all have days like these. :-( Bill ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] u2ug.net Website
Thanks Brian and Colin! -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Brian Leach Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 3:41 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] u2ug.net Website Colin The u2ug.org web was redirecting to my old hosted provider, which I no longer use. The change to a new provider - with more capacity - is one step towards rewriting the site (finally), itself part of a very exciting set of proposals the board are putting together for the direction in which we wish to be taking the group. We will be putting out a release over the next few weeks to the members to outline our strategy, and I have to say personally I think its a great direction that David J has encouraged and that will make the group genuinely more useful to all its members. Thats the teaser, now you're all going to have to wait - ha, ha! Now the complication is (isnt there always?) that u2ug.org domain is owned by one of our members who very kindly looks after this email list. There are no plans to change the list, and so we keep that name for email. At some point I hope he will also redirect the web traffic to the new site so it remains consistent, it just hasn't happened yet. Brian Sent from my iPad On 4 Apr 2012, at 00:22, Colin Alfke wrote: > Yeah, I thought .org redirected to .net at one point. I did ask in the > website forum about email (as it's still using .org). I tried to ask > Laura Hirsch why the change was made but was having trouble with my > email and I don't think the question ever got out. > > Brian, if it's supposed to redirect - it's not doing it now. > > Today's been a good day, but we have a snowfall warning so it may change > > Colin > > -Original Message- > From: Bill Haskett > Sent: April 3, 2012 3:55 PM > To: U2 Users List > Subject: Re: [U2] u2ug.net Website > > Colin: > > The domain was changed from u2ug.org to u2ug.net. I think the .org > was going to Brian's IP address and is the one that doesn't work. Not > sure why they changed the domain. > > Sometimes we all have days like these. :-( > > Bill > > > > ___ > U2-Users mailing list > U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org > http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Universe: IF statements in parargraphs don't work anymore
Jeff is right in theory though you would need to be careful whenever you run an upgrade account. If you really want to secure the VOC you would also need to lock out all other forms of access such as UniObjects: you can easily create a little VBScript to connect through with this and read/write/delete directly. And if anyone can ever get to shell, you have the UVread, UVwrite and UVdelete executables. And if you make the account a SQL schema, the VOC is not a SQL table so you can't use grant permissions. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Porterfield Sent: 03 April 2012 23:04 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Universe: IF statements in parargraphs don't work anymore Louie Bergsagel gmail.com> writes: > > No, that works fine. You only need a label if you want to skip some lines. > > Turns out somebody had deleted the VOC equal sign record "=". > > Which brings up a good security question, how do you prevent someone > from deleting things? Put shell around ED and DELETE? > It would be a bummer to have to make VOC read-only. > > On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Ron Hutchings > hotmail.com> > wrote: > > > On Line 6 don't you need to go to a label to execute a command > > instead of trying to directly execute it? > --- > u2-users mailing list > u2-users listserver.u2ug.org > To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ > > Check into the Security Subroutines section of the Administrators Guide. 1) Make a temporary copy of ED in your VOC, call it ED.BAK. This is your backdoor in case of problems. I would also have a separate account with a pointer to the main account's VOC. This account you can lock with a simple paragraph that says if @LOGNAME isn't you, LOGOUT. 2) Write a security subroutine that conforms to the specs given in Chapter 8 of the Administrators guide. Catalog it in the global catalog. 2) Copy the verbs you want to secure, including ED, into your VOCLIB. 3) Change the verbs in the VOC to Remote pointers to your VOCLIB, and add the name of your security routine to line 4. (I might suggest testing the R pointers before applying the security routine.) 4) Once you're sure your security is working as planned, and that you can use the ED program you've secured, then remove your back door ED.BAK. Remember, you can still fix the VOC from your other account if you manage to lock yourself out. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] u2ug.net Website
Colin The u2ug.org web was redirecting to my old hosted provider, which I no longer use. The change to a new provider - with more capacity - is one step towards rewriting the site (finally), itself part of a very exciting set of proposals the board are putting together for the direction in which we wish to be taking the group. We will be putting out a release over the next few weeks to the members to outline our strategy, and I have to say personally I think its a great direction that David J has encouraged and that will make the group genuinely more useful to all its members. Thats the teaser, now you're all going to have to wait - ha, ha! Now the complication is (isnt there always?) that u2ug.org domain is owned by one of our members who very kindly looks after this email list. There are no plans to change the list, and so we keep that name for email. At some point I hope he will also redirect the web traffic to the new site so it remains consistent, it just hasn't happened yet. Brian Sent from my iPad On 4 Apr 2012, at 00:22, Colin Alfke wrote: > Yeah, I thought .org redirected to .net at one point. I did ask in the > website forum about email (as it's still using .org). I tried to ask Laura > Hirsch why the change was made but was having trouble with my email and I > don't think the question ever got out. > > Brian, if it's supposed to redirect - it's not doing it now. > > Today's been a good day, but we have a snowfall warning so it may change > > Colin > > -Original Message- > From: Bill Haskett > Sent: April 3, 2012 3:55 PM > To: U2 Users List > Subject: Re: [U2] u2ug.net Website > > Colin: > > The domain was changed from u2ug.org to u2ug.net. I think the .org was > going to Brian's IP address and is the one that doesn't work. Not sure why > they changed the domain. > > Sometimes we all have days like these. :-( > > Bill > > > > ___ > U2-Users mailing list > U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org > http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
