Re: [U2] Credit Card numbers in your database

2012-04-18 Thread Tom Whitmore
You need to talk to your QSA, our QSA is great because we can ask him questions 
anytime and he doesn't charge for each question we ask.  He helps us make 
decisions about our products that eases the recertification process.  We only 
pay every 3 years for our PCI PA-DSS certification.  It is well worth the 
investment!  We know we are offering solid PCI PA-DSS solutions to our 
customers.

As I understand it, you are responsible to keep your backups very secure, and 
dispose of the backups in a secure manner (bulk eraser for tape backups?).  For 
disk backups, you should encrypt the backup and securely delete when you no 
longer have a need.  You should have an auditable means of tracking access to 
your backups, especially if it is easy to take the backup off-site.  I don't 
believe you are required to restore the backup, encrypt the data, then cut a 
new backup.

One word of caution, make sure you have the encryption key secured for the 
backups.

When it comes to credit cards, it is best to always error on the side of 
caution.  The consequences if you lose data is huge for you and your customers.

Good luck, PCI is real "fun"!

Tom
RATEX Business Solutions

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Probably every company has gone through adding more stringent rules to the use 
of credit cards in your database.
But surely no one has actually gone back to their old backups to "cleanse" them 
?
Does anyone think that's really part of the PCI DSS we're supposed to be 
following?
We have backups going back umpteen years 
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[U2] Credit Card numbers in your database

2012-04-18 Thread Wjhonson

Probably every company has gone through adding more stringent rules to the use 
of credit cards in your database.
But surely no one has actually gone back to their old backups to "cleanse" them 
?
Does anyone think that's really part of the PCI DSS we're supposed to be 
following?
We have backups going back umpteen years
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Re: [U2] Issues calling REMOTE VOC pointer

2012-04-18 Thread Phil Walker
Only Allen, responded.

But this has been logged as a bug/feature enhancement with Rocket. It appears 
that the use of REMOTE VOC entries for BASIC programs is not currently 
supported/supported correctly which seems to be a major oversight. Hopefully it 
will not be difficult to implement. It shouldn't be, the just need to look at 
the PATH in the remote pointer for the object code, rather than looking in the 
object directory that the calling program resides in. Currently a BASIC program 
will look in the VOC file for a subroutine and if not found it will look in its 
own object directory. What I would like is it to look in the VOC, see that it 
is a remote voc entry, execute the security subroutine if specified, and then 
execute the object code specified by the Remote VOC pointer.

This will allow the security routine to be used to AUDIT all programs on the 
system. Hopefully function calls would work the same way.


> -Original Message-
> From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-
> boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Allen Egerton
> Sent: Tuesday, 10 April 2012 8:33 p.m.
> To: U2 Users List
> Subject: Re: [U2] Issues calling REMOTE VOC pointer
> 
> You're "EXECUTING" PROG1 from TCL, so you can invoke it in any of the
> ways that you've documented below.
> 
> >From within PROG1, you're "CALLING" PROG2, it's a subroutine, so it has
> to be locatable as you've so clearly documented in your example.
> 
> If you wanted to have them both run using <4> for security, then you could:
> 'EXECUTE "PROG2" CAPTURING CMD.CAP' from within PROG1.  If you need
> to pass args you're either going to have to store them in named common or
> pass them as command line args and parse them out.
> 
> 
> 
> On 4/10/2012 4:05 AM, Phil Walker wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > This is a contrived solution, but I have a program file BP1 and another
> program file BP2. In program file BP1 I have a program PROG1. In program
> file BP2 I have a program PROG2.
> >
> > PROG1 is the following:
> >
> >  PROG1
> > 0001 PROGRAM PROG1
> > 0002 CRT "IN PROGRAM PROG1"
> > 0003 CRT "CALLING PROG2"
> > 0004 CALL PROG2
> > 0005 CRT "BACK IN PROG1"
> > 0006 RETURN
> >
> > PROG2 is the following:
> >
> >  PROG2
> > 0001 PROGRAM PROG2
> > 0002 CRT "IN PROGRAM PROG2"
> > 0003 RETURN
> >
> > If I RUN BP1 PROG1 I get the following
> >
> >> RUN BP1 PROG1
> > IN PROGRAM PROG1
> > CALLING PROG2
> > Program "PROG1": Line 4, Unable to open the operating system file
> "BP1.O/PROG2".
> > [ENOENT] No such file or directory
> > Program "PROG1": Line 4, Unable to load file "PROG2".
> > Program "PROG1": Line 4, Unable to load subroutine.
> >
> > This is as expected, in that Universe assumes when there is not VOC entry
> that PROG2 is in the same OBJECT file, BP1.O.
> >
> > If I CATALOG BP2 PROG2 LOCAL COMLETE
> >
> >> CATALOG BP2 PROG2 LOCAL COMPLETE
> > "PROG2" cataloged.
> >> CT VOC PROG2
> >
> >  PROG2
> > 0001 V
> > 0002 /tmp/BP2.O/PROG2
> > 0003 B
> > 0004 BN
> > 0005
> > 0006
> > 0007
> > 0008
> > 0009 /tmp/BP2.O
> >
> > and then RUN BP1 PROG1 I get the following
> >
> >> RUN BP1 PROG1
> > IN PROGRAM PROG1
> > CALLING PROG2
> > IN PROGRAM PROG2
> > BACK IN PROG1
> >>
> >
> > If I CATALOG BP1 PROG1 LOCAL COMPLETE
> >
> >> CATALOG BP1 PROG1 LOCAL COMPLETE
> > "PROG1" cataloged.
> >> CT VOC PROG1
> >
> >  PROG1
> > 0001 V
> > 0002 /tmp/BP1.O/PROG1
> > 0003 B
> > 0004 BN
> > 0005
> > 0006
> > 0007
> > 0008
> > 0009 /tmp/BP1.O
> >
> > and then execute PROG1 I get the following
> >
> >> PROG1
> > IN PROGRAM PROG1
> > CALLING PROG2
> > IN PROGRAM PROG2
> > BACK IN PROG1
> >>
> >
> > The same results which is still good. However what I really want to do
> > is add a security routine to both VOC entries PROG1 and PROG2. To do
> > this I copy the VOC entries to PROG1 and PROG2 to the VOCLIB file and
> > change the VOC entries to the following
> >
> >  PROG1
> > 0001 R
> > 0002 VOCLIB
> > 0003 PROG1
> >
> >  PROG2
> > 0001 R
> > 0002 VOCLIB
> > 0003 PROG2
> >
> > I will see if this works first, before adding attribute 4 for the security
> routine.
> >
> >> PROG1
> > IN PROGRAM PROG1
> > CALLING PROG2
> > Program "PROG1": Line 4, Unable to open the operating system file
> > "/tmp/BP1.O/PRO G2".
> > [ENOENT] No such file or directory
> > Program "PROG1": Line 4, Unable to load file "PROG2".
> > Program "PROG1": Line 4, Unable to load subroutine.
> >>
> >
> > As you can see this does not work. It appears that while Universe will use
> the contents of attribute 2 LOCAL VOC entry (the path to the object code),
> Universe will not use the contents of  attribute 2 of the REMOTE VOC entry.
> >
> > I believe this is a bug...does you agree?
> >
> > For further clarification this was in IDEAL flavour.  If I change it to 
> > PICK,
> PIOPEN it still behaves the same.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Phil
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Re: [U2] BETWEEN operator

2012-04-18 Thread Phil Walker
In UV it is only available in SQL. Cannot remember why we did thatprobably 
timeframe of getting the functionality in for a particular release.

> -Original Message-
> From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-
> boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Allen Egerton
> Sent: Thursday, 19 April 2012 7:18 a.m.
> To: U2 Users List
> Subject: Re: [U2] BETWEEN operator
> 
> Universe release 10.3.7 on a Windows platform.
> Voc entry BETWEEN
> <1> K
> <2> 508
> 
> No online help for it, and intuitive guess how to use it didn't work, but it's
> definitely there
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 4/18/2012 3:04 PM, Wjhonson wrote:
> >
> > The BETWEEN only exists in Unidata's Uniquery Not Universe, as far as
> > I can see anyway.
> > Unless they *just* put it into 11. or something
> >
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Re: [U2] BETWEEN operator

2012-04-18 Thread Wjhonson

Interesting.
Evidently "Crafton Hills College"
http://doclib.sbccd.net/Files/CHC/CHC_Campus_Map_052405.pdf

has uploaded their entire set of Unidata manuals
http://doclib.sbccd.net/Files/District/District_Computing_Services/Documentation-DCS/UdtDoc/queref.pdf

or something
At any rate Google found them,and tells me the syntax should be

LIST VOC WITH F1 BETWEEN "A""Z"

but of course that doesn't work on my  Universe 10.2.3 installation
It doesn't like the Between token.
Evidently the VOC got ahead of the actual coding in the query language


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Sent: Wed, Apr 18, 2012 12:18 pm
Subject: Re: [U2] BETWEEN operator


Universe release 10.3.7 on a Windows platform.
oc entry BETWEEN
1> K
2> 508
No online help for it, and intuitive guess how to use it didn't work,
ut it's definitely there


n 4/18/2012 3:04 PM, Wjhonson wrote:
 
 The BETWEEN only exists in Unidata's Uniquery
 Not Universe, as far as I can see anyway.
 Unless they *just* put it into 11. or something
 
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Re: [U2] BETWEEN operator

2012-04-18 Thread Richard Wilson

try it in within an sql construct

my UV voc BETWEEN item shows
Keyword - SQL selection criteria
508


Wjhonson wrote:

Curious you're right.  I have a Between in my VOC
But if I do something like

LIST VOC BETWEEN
or
LIST VOC IF @ID BETWEEN 1 AND 2
or anything like that I just get an error

Unexpected symbol.  Token was "BETWEEN"

So I have no idea why it's in the VOC, maybe it's a left over from Prime days


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From: Allen Egerton 
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Sent: Wed, Apr 18, 2012 12:18 pm
Subject: Re: [U2] BETWEEN operator


Universe release 10.3.7 on a Windows platform.
oc entry BETWEEN
1> K
2> 508
No online help for it, and intuitive guess how to use it didn't work,
ut it's definitely there


n 4/18/2012 3:04 PM, Wjhonson wrote:
 
 The BETWEEN only exists in Unidata's Uniquery

 Not Universe, as far as I can see anyway.
 Unless they *just* put it into 11. or something
 
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Re: [U2] BETWEEN operator

2012-04-18 Thread Wjhonson

Curious you're right.  I have a Between in my VOC
But if I do something like

LIST VOC BETWEEN
or
LIST VOC IF @ID BETWEEN 1 AND 2
or anything like that I just get an error

Unexpected symbol.  Token was "BETWEEN"

So I have no idea why it's in the VOC, maybe it's a left over from Prime days


-Original Message-
From: Allen Egerton 
To: U2 Users List 
Sent: Wed, Apr 18, 2012 12:18 pm
Subject: Re: [U2] BETWEEN operator


Universe release 10.3.7 on a Windows platform.
oc entry BETWEEN
1> K
2> 508
No online help for it, and intuitive guess how to use it didn't work,
ut it's definitely there


n 4/18/2012 3:04 PM, Wjhonson wrote:
 
 The BETWEEN only exists in Unidata's Uniquery
 Not Universe, as far as I can see anyway.
 Unless they *just* put it into 11. or something
 
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Re: [U2] BETWEEN operator

2012-04-18 Thread Allen Egerton
Universe release 10.3.7 on a Windows platform.
Voc entry BETWEEN
<1> K
<2> 508

No online help for it, and intuitive guess how to use it didn't work,
but it's definitely there




On 4/18/2012 3:04 PM, Wjhonson wrote:
> 
> The BETWEEN only exists in Unidata's Uniquery
> Not Universe, as far as I can see anyway.
> Unless they *just* put it into 11. or something
> 

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Re: [U2] BETWEEN operator

2012-04-18 Thread Wjhonson

The BETWEEN only exists in Unidata's Uniquery
Not Universe, as far as I can see anyway.
Unless they *just* put it into 11. or something



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Sent: Wed, Apr 18, 2012 11:46 am
Subject: Re: [U2] BETWEEN operator


Hi,
UV's BETWEEN operator is in the query processor. The previous discussions 
appear 
o be looking for it as a Basic operator.
Martin Phillips
On 18 Apr 2012, at 18:15, Wjhonson  wrote:
> 
 Are you saying that Universe has a between operator somewhere?
 Where?  I don't see it.
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Brian Leach 
 To: 'U2 Users List' 
 Sent: Wed, Apr 18, 2012 10:14 am
 Subject: Re: [U2] BETWEEN operator
 
 
 It's also inclusive in (UniVerse and every other) SQL.
 Of course, you could always write it as an external function for UniBasic,
 hen it can be however you want. 'long as you document it.. 
 Brian
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 ubject: Re: [U2] BETWEEN operator
 Hi, 
 
 Yes I would think, if such an operator were to be introduced to Pick BASIC,
 hat Between should be exclusive which is how the UniQuery Between (only for
 nidata sorry Universe people) works today.  "Between 2 and 4" means only 3,
 ot 2 and not 4.
 
 I would disagree, and expect it to be an inclusive range. Perhaps the
 ncertainty of semantics is a good reason not to have this as an operator.
 
 "Give me a number between 1 and 5". I think most people would expect this to
 e inclusive.
 
 
 Martin Phillips
 adybridge Systems Ltd
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Re: [U2] BETWEEN operator

2012-04-18 Thread Martin Phillips
Hi,

UV's BETWEEN operator is in the query processor. The previous discussions 
appear to be looking for it as a Basic operator.

Martin Phillips

On 18 Apr 2012, at 18:15, Wjhonson  wrote:

> 
> Are you saying that Universe has a between operator somewhere?
> Where?  I don't see it.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Brian Leach 
> To: 'U2 Users List' 
> Sent: Wed, Apr 18, 2012 10:14 am
> Subject: Re: [U2] BETWEEN operator
> 
> 
> It's also inclusive in (UniVerse and every other) SQL.
> Of course, you could always write it as an external function for UniBasic,
> hen it can be however you want. 'long as you document it.. 
> Brian
> -Original Message-
> rom: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org
> mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Martin Phillips
> ent: 18 April 2012 17:29
> o: 'U2 Users List'
> ubject: Re: [U2] BETWEEN operator
> Hi, 
> 
> Yes I would think, if such an operator were to be introduced to Pick BASIC,
> hat Between should be exclusive which is how the UniQuery Between (only for
> nidata sorry Universe people) works today.  "Between 2 and 4" means only 3,
> ot 2 and not 4.
> 
> I would disagree, and expect it to be an inclusive range. Perhaps the
> ncertainty of semantics is a good reason not to have this as an operator.
> 
> "Give me a number between 1 and 5". I think most people would expect this to
> e inclusive.
> 
> 
> Martin Phillips
> adybridge Systems Ltd
> 7b Coldstream Lane, Hardingstone, Northampton NN4 6DB, England
> 44 (0)1604-709200
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Re: [U2] BETWEEN operator

2012-04-18 Thread Wjhonson

I work for a municipality.  Every year the pay of *every employee* is posted in 
the local newspaper.
Isn't that a hoot



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Sent: Wed, Apr 18, 2012 10:44 am
Subject: Re: [U2] BETWEEN operator



snort>  at least you didn't email the executive pay scale report to the
ntire company 
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ent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 8:50 AM
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ubject: Re: [U2] BETWEEN operator
Oops...wrong "To" address.  Sorry.   :-(
Bill

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From:* wphask...@advantos.net
To:* U2 Users List 
Date:* 4/18/2012 8:45 AM
Subject:* Re: [U2] BETWEEN operator
 I'm fixing this now.  The backup only ran 49% last night and I have no 
 idea why.  So...reboot!  :-)

 Bill

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 *From:* aelw...@socal.rr.com
 *To:* 'U2 Users List' 
 *Date:* 4/18/2012 7:01 AM
 *Subject:* Re: [U2] BETWEEN operator
> is between inclusive or exclusive?
>
> in other words wouldn't it be written 'between 10 and 19' for values 
> 10 from
> 19 instead of 'between 9 and 20' for 10 to 19?
>
> makes more sense if it's inclusive, imho
>
> i've only seen BETWEEN used in uniquery before so.
>
> -Original Message-
> From:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org
> [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of dennis 
> bartlett
> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:19 PM
> To: U2 Users List
> Subject: Re: [U2] BETWEEN operator
>
> the point is that rather than the cumbersome way we have always 
> written the GE LE statement, there might be a better way... that 
> makes readability better and will take you 3425.6 man hours to 
> implement throughout your system..
>
> however I have no idea what I'm talking about here
>
> On 18 April 2012 11:16, Allen Egerton  wrote:
>
>> So what was/is your point?
>>
>> 'cause I'm like the other Allen, sitting here wondering what it is 
>> that you're asking or responding to...
>>
>>
>>
>> On 4/17/2012 9:08 PM, Wjhonson wrote:
>>> There is no question.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Allen Elwood RR
>>> To: U2 Users List
>>> Sent: Tue, Apr 17, 2012 6:01 pm
>>> Subject: Re: [U2] BETWEEN operator
>>>
>>>
>>> did u hit send b4 the question?
>>> On 4/17/2012 5:46 PM, Wjhonson wrote:
>>>   Pick BASIC
>>>
>>>   IF MYVALUE>   9 AND MYVALUE<   20 THEN...
>>>
>>>   or
>>>
>>>   IF 9<   MYVALUE<   20 THEN ...
>>>
>>>   or
>>>
>>>   IF BETWEEN(MYVALUE,9,20) THEN ...
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Re: [U2] BETWEEN operator

2012-04-18 Thread Allen E. Elwood

  at least you didn't email the executive pay scale report to the
entire company 

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Oops...wrong "To" address.  Sorry.   :-(

Bill


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*Date:* 4/18/2012 8:45 AM
*Subject:* Re: [U2] BETWEEN operator
> I'm fixing this now.  The backup only ran 49% last night and I have no 
> idea why.  So...reboot!  :-)
>
> Bill
>
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> - Original Message -
> *From:* aelw...@socal.rr.com
> *To:* 'U2 Users List' 
> *Date:* 4/18/2012 7:01 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [U2] BETWEEN operator
>> is between inclusive or exclusive?
>>
>> in other words wouldn't it be written 'between 10 and 19' for values 
>> 10 from
>> 19 instead of 'between 9 and 20' for 10 to 19?
>>
>> makes more sense if it's inclusive, imho
>>
>> i've only seen BETWEEN used in uniquery before so.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org
>> [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of dennis 
>> bartlett
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:19 PM
>> To: U2 Users List
>> Subject: Re: [U2] BETWEEN operator
>>
>> the point is that rather than the cumbersome way we have always 
>> written the GE LE statement, there might be a better way... that 
>> makes readability better and will take you 3425.6 man hours to 
>> implement throughout your system..
>>
>> however I have no idea what I'm talking about here
>>
>> On 18 April 2012 11:16, Allen Egerton  wrote:
>>
>>> So what was/is your point?
>>>
>>> 'cause I'm like the other Allen, sitting here wondering what it is 
>>> that you're asking or responding to...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/17/2012 9:08 PM, Wjhonson wrote:
 There is no question.



 -Original Message-
 From: Allen Elwood RR
 To: U2 Users List
 Sent: Tue, Apr 17, 2012 6:01 pm
 Subject: Re: [U2] BETWEEN operator


 did u hit send b4 the question?
 On 4/17/2012 5:46 PM, Wjhonson wrote:
   Pick BASIC

   IF MYVALUE>   9 AND MYVALUE<   20 THEN...

   or

   IF 9<   MYVALUE<   20 THEN ...

   or

   IF BETWEEN(MYVALUE,9,20) THEN ...
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Re: [U2] BETWEEN operator

2012-04-18 Thread Wjhonson

Are you saying that Universe has a between operator somewhere?
Where?  I don't see it.



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Sent: Wed, Apr 18, 2012 10:14 am
Subject: Re: [U2] BETWEEN operator


It's also inclusive in (UniVerse and every other) SQL.
Of course, you could always write it as an external function for UniBasic,
hen it can be however you want. 'long as you document it.. 
Brian
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Hi, 
 
Yes I would think, if such an operator were to be introduced to Pick BASIC,
hat Between should be exclusive which is how the UniQuery Between (only for
nidata sorry Universe people) works today.  "Between 2 and 4" means only 3,
ot 2 and not 4.
 
I would disagree, and expect it to be an inclusive range. Perhaps the
ncertainty of semantics is a good reason not to have this as an operator.
 
"Give me a number between 1 and 5". I think most people would expect this to
e inclusive.
 
 
Martin Phillips
adybridge Systems Ltd
7b Coldstream Lane, Hardingstone, Northampton NN4 6DB, England
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Re: [U2] BETWEEN operator

2012-04-18 Thread Brian Leach
It's also inclusive in (UniVerse and every other) SQL.

Of course, you could always write it as an external function for UniBasic,
then it can be however you want. 'long as you document it.. 

Brian

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Hi, 

 

Yes I would think, if such an operator were to be introduced to Pick BASIC,
that Between should be exclusive which is how the UniQuery Between (only for
Unidata sorry Universe people) works today.  "Between 2 and 4" means only 3,
not 2 and not 4.

 

I would disagree, and expect it to be an inclusive range. Perhaps the
uncertainty of semantics is a good reason not to have this as an operator.

 

"Give me a number between 1 and 5". I think most people would expect this to
be inclusive.

 

 

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Ladybridge Systems Ltd
17b Coldstream Lane, Hardingstone, Northampton NN4 6DB, England
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Re: [U2] BETWEEN operator

2012-04-18 Thread Wjhonson

To clarify Allen's joke

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fumblerules





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Sent: Wed, Apr 18, 2012 9:36 am
Subject: Re: [U2] BETWEEN operator



 would think the opposite simply because i eschew obfuscation in all forms
(see that's a joke because instead of saying 'avoiding making syntax so
onfused or opaque as to be difficult to perceive or understand' i said
schew obfuscation?  ok, it's a English teacher's joke anyway)
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ent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 9:20 AM
o: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
ubject: Re: [U2] BETWEEN operator

es I would think, if such an operator were to be introduced to Pick BASIC,
hat Between should be exclusive which is how the UniQuery Between (only for
nidata sorry Universe people) works today.  "Between 2 and 4" means only 3,
ot 2 and not 4.


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rom: Allen E. Elwood 
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ent: Wed, Apr 18, 2012 7:02 am
ubject: Re: [U2] BETWEEN operator

s between inclusive or exclusive?
n other words wouldn't it be written 'between 10 and 19' for values 10 from
 instead of 'between 9 and 20' for 10 to 19? 
akes more sense if it's inclusive, imho i've only seen BETWEEN used in
niquery before so.
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om: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org
ailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of dennis bartlett
nt: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:19 PM
: U2 Users List
bject: Re: [U2] BETWEEN operator
he point is that rather than the cumbersome way we have always written the
 LE statement, there might be a better way... that makes readability etter
nd will take you 3425.6 man hours to implement throughout your ystem..
owever I have no idea what I'm talking about here On 18 April 2012 11:16,
llen Egerton  wrote:
 So what was/is your point?
 'cause I'm like the other Allen, sitting here wondering what it is  that
ou're asking or responding to...

 On 4/17/2012 9:08 PM, Wjhonson wrote:
> There is no question.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Allen Elwood RR 
> To: U2 Users List 
> Sent: Tue, Apr 17, 2012 6:01 pm
> Subject: Re: [U2] BETWEEN operator
>
>
> did u hit send b4 the question?
> On 4/17/2012 5:46 PM, Wjhonson wrote:
>  Pick BASIC
>
>  IF MYVALUE>  9 AND MYVALUE<  20 THEN...
>
>  or
>
>  IF 9<  MYVALUE<  20 THEN ...
>
>  or
>
>  IF BETWEEN(MYVALUE,9,20) THEN ...
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Re: [U2] BETWEEN operator

2012-04-18 Thread Allen E. Elwood

i would think the opposite simply because i eschew obfuscation in all forms

(see that's a joke because instead of saying 'avoiding making syntax so
confused or opaque as to be difficult to perceive or understand' i said
eschew obfuscation?  ok, it's a English teacher's joke anyway)

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To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: Re: [U2] BETWEEN operator


Yes I would think, if such an operator were to be introduced to Pick BASIC,
that Between should be exclusive which is how the UniQuery Between (only for
Unidata sorry Universe people) works today.  "Between 2 and 4" means only 3,
not 2 and not 4.




-Original Message-
From: Allen E. Elwood 
To: 'U2 Users List' 
Sent: Wed, Apr 18, 2012 7:02 am
Subject: Re: [U2] BETWEEN operator



s between inclusive or exclusive?
in other words wouldn't it be written 'between 10 and 19' for values 10 from
9 instead of 'between 9 and 20' for 10 to 19? 
makes more sense if it's inclusive, imho i've only seen BETWEEN used in
uniquery before so.
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rom: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org
mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of dennis bartlett
ent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:19 PM
o: U2 Users List
ubject: Re: [U2] BETWEEN operator
the point is that rather than the cumbersome way we have always written the
E LE statement, there might be a better way... that makes readability etter
and will take you 3425.6 man hours to implement throughout your ystem..
however I have no idea what I'm talking about here On 18 April 2012 11:16,
Allen Egerton  wrote:
> So what was/is your point?

 'cause I'm like the other Allen, sitting here wondering what it is  that
you're asking or responding to...



 On 4/17/2012 9:08 PM, Wjhonson wrote:
 > There is no question.
 >
 >
 >
 > -Original Message-
 > From: Allen Elwood RR 
 > To: U2 Users List 
 > Sent: Tue, Apr 17, 2012 6:01 pm
 > Subject: Re: [U2] BETWEEN operator
 >
 >
 > did u hit send b4 the question?
 > On 4/17/2012 5:46 PM, Wjhonson wrote:
 >  Pick BASIC
 >
 >  IF MYVALUE>  9 AND MYVALUE<  20 THEN...
 >
 >  or
 >
 >  IF 9<  MYVALUE<  20 THEN ...
 >
 >  or
 >
 >  IF BETWEEN(MYVALUE,9,20) THEN ...
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Re: [U2] BETWEEN operator

2012-04-18 Thread Wjhonson
You don't think it would be confusing to have it work differently from Uniquery 
?







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Sent: Wed, Apr 18, 2012 9:29 am
Subject: Re: [U2] BETWEEN operator


Hi, 
 
Yes I would think, if such an operator were to be introduced to Pick BASIC, 
that 
etween should be exclusive which is how the
niQuery Between (only for Unidata sorry Universe people) works today.  "Between 
 and 4" means only 3, not 2 and not 4.
 
I would disagree, and expect it to be an inclusive range. Perhaps the 
ncertainty of semantics is a good reason not to have this as
n operator.
 
"Give me a number between 1 and 5". I think most people would expect this to be 
nclusive.
 
 
Martin Phillips
adybridge Systems Ltd
7b Coldstream Lane, Hardingstone, Northampton NN4 6DB, England
44 (0)1604-709200
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Re: [U2] BETWEEN operator

2012-04-18 Thread Martin Phillips
Hi, 

 

Yes I would think, if such an operator were to be introduced to Pick BASIC, 
that Between should be exclusive which is how the
UniQuery Between (only for Unidata sorry Universe people) works today.  
"Between 2 and 4" means only 3, not 2 and not 4.

 

I would disagree, and expect it to be an inclusive range. Perhaps the 
uncertainty of semantics is a good reason not to have this as
an operator.

 

"Give me a number between 1 and 5". I think most people would expect this to be 
inclusive.

 

 

Martin Phillips
Ladybridge Systems Ltd
17b Coldstream Lane, Hardingstone, Northampton NN4 6DB, England
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Re: [U2] BETWEEN operator

2012-04-18 Thread Jeff Schasny

A point? It's Will... ;-)

Seriously though, this points out yet again, one of the best parts of 
our common U2 and associated environments. There are almost always 
multiple ways of skinning the proverbial cat. Often one's approach is 
based on what 'flavor' you are most familiar with. I know I'm an old 
school Prime Information guy (my copy statement has only one carriage 
return) so my solution almost never includes a proc or a correlative.


Allen Egerton wrote:

So what was/is your point?

'cause I'm like the other Allen, sitting here wondering what it is that
you're asking or responding to...



On 4/17/2012 9:08 PM, Wjhonson wrote:
  

There is no question.



-Original Message-
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To: U2 Users List 
Sent: Tue, Apr 17, 2012 6:01 pm
Subject: Re: [U2] BETWEEN operator


did u hit send b4 the question?
On 4/17/2012 5:46 PM, Wjhonson wrote:
 Pick BASIC

 IF MYVALUE>  9 AND MYVALUE<  20 THEN...

 or

 IF 9<  MYVALUE<  20 THEN ...

 or

 IF BETWEEN(MYVALUE,9,20) THEN ...


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Re: [U2] BETWEEN operator

2012-04-18 Thread Wjhonson

Yes I would think, if such an operator were to be introduced to Pick BASIC, 
that Between should be exclusive which is how the UniQuery Between (only for 
Unidata sorry Universe people) works today.  "Between 2 and 4" means only 3, 
not 2 and not 4.




-Original Message-
From: Allen E. Elwood 
To: 'U2 Users List' 
Sent: Wed, Apr 18, 2012 7:02 am
Subject: Re: [U2] BETWEEN operator



s between inclusive or exclusive?
in other words wouldn't it be written 'between 10 and 19' for values 10 from
9 instead of 'between 9 and 20' for 10 to 19? 
makes more sense if it's inclusive, imho
i've only seen BETWEEN used in uniquery before so.
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rom: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org
mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of dennis bartlett
ent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:19 PM
o: U2 Users List
ubject: Re: [U2] BETWEEN operator
the point is that rather than the cumbersome way we have always written the
E LE statement, there might be a better way... that makes readability
etter and will take you 3425.6 man hours to implement throughout your
ystem..
however I have no idea what I'm talking about here
On 18 April 2012 11:16, Allen Egerton  wrote:
> So what was/is your point?

 'cause I'm like the other Allen, sitting here wondering what it is 
 that you're asking or responding to...



 On 4/17/2012 9:08 PM, Wjhonson wrote:
 > There is no question.
 >
 >
 >
 > -Original Message-
 > From: Allen Elwood RR 
 > To: U2 Users List 
 > Sent: Tue, Apr 17, 2012 6:01 pm
 > Subject: Re: [U2] BETWEEN operator
 >
 >
 > did u hit send b4 the question?
 > On 4/17/2012 5:46 PM, Wjhonson wrote:
 >  Pick BASIC
 >
 >  IF MYVALUE>  9 AND MYVALUE<  20 THEN...
 >
 >  or
 >
 >  IF 9<  MYVALUE<  20 THEN ...
 >
 >  or
 >
 >  IF BETWEEN(MYVALUE,9,20) THEN ...
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Re: [U2] BETWEEN operator

2012-04-18 Thread Bill Haskett

Oops...wrong "To" address.  Sorry.   :-(

Bill


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*Date:* 4/18/2012 8:45 AM
*Subject:* Re: [U2] BETWEEN operator
I'm fixing this now.  The backup only ran 49% last night and I have no 
idea why.  So...reboot!  :-)


Bill


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*To:* 'U2 Users List' 
*Date:* 4/18/2012 7:01 AM
*Subject:* Re: [U2] BETWEEN operator

is between inclusive or exclusive?

in other words wouldn't it be written 'between 10 and 19' for values 10 from
19 instead of 'between 9 and 20' for 10 to 19?

makes more sense if it's inclusive, imho

i've only seen BETWEEN used in uniquery before so.

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[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of dennis bartlett
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:19 PM
To: U2 Users List
Subject: Re: [U2] BETWEEN operator

the point is that rather than the cumbersome way we have always written the
GE LE statement, there might be a better way... that makes readability
better and will take you 3425.6 man hours to implement throughout your
system..

however I have no idea what I'm talking about here

On 18 April 2012 11:16, Allen Egerton  wrote:


So what was/is your point?

'cause I'm like the other Allen, sitting here wondering what it is
that you're asking or responding to...



On 4/17/2012 9:08 PM, Wjhonson wrote:

There is no question.



-Original Message-
From: Allen Elwood RR
To: U2 Users List
Sent: Tue, Apr 17, 2012 6:01 pm
Subject: Re: [U2] BETWEEN operator


did u hit send b4 the question?
On 4/17/2012 5:46 PM, Wjhonson wrote:
  Pick BASIC

  IF MYVALUE>   9 AND MYVALUE<   20 THEN...

  or

  IF 9<   MYVALUE<   20 THEN ...

  or

  IF BETWEEN(MYVALUE,9,20) THEN ...

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Re: [U2] BETWEEN operator

2012-04-18 Thread Bill Haskett
I'm fixing this now.  The backup only ran 49% last night and I have no 
idea why.  So...reboot!  :-)


Bill


- Original Message -
*From:* aelw...@socal.rr.com
*To:* 'U2 Users List' 
*Date:* 4/18/2012 7:01 AM
*Subject:* Re: [U2] BETWEEN operator

is between inclusive or exclusive?

in other words wouldn't it be written 'between 10 and 19' for values 10 from
19 instead of 'between 9 and 20' for 10 to 19?

makes more sense if it's inclusive, imho

i've only seen BETWEEN used in uniquery before so.

-Original Message-
From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org
[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of dennis bartlett
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:19 PM
To: U2 Users List
Subject: Re: [U2] BETWEEN operator

the point is that rather than the cumbersome way we have always written the
GE LE statement, there might be a better way... that makes readability
better and will take you 3425.6 man hours to implement throughout your
system..

however I have no idea what I'm talking about here

On 18 April 2012 11:16, Allen Egerton  wrote:


So what was/is your point?

'cause I'm like the other Allen, sitting here wondering what it is
that you're asking or responding to...



On 4/17/2012 9:08 PM, Wjhonson wrote:

There is no question.



-Original Message-
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To: U2 Users List
Sent: Tue, Apr 17, 2012 6:01 pm
Subject: Re: [U2] BETWEEN operator


did u hit send b4 the question?
On 4/17/2012 5:46 PM, Wjhonson wrote:
  Pick BASIC

  IF MYVALUE>   9 AND MYVALUE<   20 THEN...

  or

  IF 9<   MYVALUE<   20 THEN ...

  or

  IF BETWEEN(MYVALUE,9,20) THEN ...

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Re: [U2] UD - Account Permissions

2012-04-18 Thread Colin Alfke
It kind of looks like a missing write permission somewhere. I would try the
VOC in "MyAccount", see if you can write to the 'Q' pointer.

Telnet is a little different. I tells customers that they need to setup the
telnet user so that they are able to login at the console. Older versions of
Windows had defaulted permissions on users that allowed this, the newer ones
don't - although I haven't had to setup a 2008 box. It sounds like the user
can telnet in though - just to another account. 

We were lazy when setting up our accounts. We simply have a group created
with full permissions on the UD folder and then we put everything under it.
A little funny considering our target market - but over 20 years I only had
one "security" related incident.

hth
Colin

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Subject: Re: [U2] UD - Account Permissions

Colin:

The funny thing is, this is a local user.  The network doesn't use a domain
(it's a server network).  I'm a valid user and I can log onto any other dbms
account.  When I try to telnet into this one account I get:

"Unable to set current directory to E:\Advantos\MyAccount"

But, I log into another account, set a 'Q' pointer to "MyAccount's" 
(VOC) file, or any other file for that matter, and I can list the contents
of any of the files.  This tells me the permissions are fine.  
UniObjects has no trouble connecting to the account and neither does mv.NET
using UO.Net (I'm using a user id that is a member of the UniDataUnique
group).  This particular user can't telnet in either.  
When I try to telnet in using my credentials, which happen to be the "owner"
of everything under the dbms account's directory, it fails too.

So, I guess I'll just put the permissions back to the way they were and
forget about this, as telnet accesses something UO doesn't.  :-(

Thanks,

Bill

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Re: [U2] BETWEEN operator

2012-04-18 Thread Kebbon Irwin

In Unidata, ECLTYPE determines inclusive/exclusive (U=inclusive, 
P=exclusive).

> From: aelw...@socal.rr.com
> To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 07:01:50 -0700
> Subject: Re: [U2] BETWEEN operator
> 
> 
> is between inclusive or exclusive?
> 
> in other words wouldn't it be written 'between 10 and 19' for values 10 from
> 19 instead of 'between 9 and 20' for 10 to 19? 
> 
> makes more sense if it's inclusive, imho
> 
> i've only seen BETWEEN used in uniquery before so.
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of dennis bartlett
> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:19 PM
> To: U2 Users List
> Subject: Re: [U2] BETWEEN operator
> 
> the point is that rather than the cumbersome way we have always written the
> GE LE statement, there might be a better way... that makes readability
> better and will take you 3425.6 man hours to implement throughout your
> system..
> 
> however I have no idea what I'm talking about here
> 
> On 18 April 2012 11:16, Allen Egerton  wrote:
> 
> > So what was/is your point?
> >
> > 'cause I'm like the other Allen, sitting here wondering what it is 
> > that you're asking or responding to...
> >
> >
> >
> > On 4/17/2012 9:08 PM, Wjhonson wrote:
> > > There is no question.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Allen Elwood RR 
> > > To: U2 Users List 
> > > Sent: Tue, Apr 17, 2012 6:01 pm
> > > Subject: Re: [U2] BETWEEN operator
> > >
> > >
> > > did u hit send b4 the question?
> > > On 4/17/2012 5:46 PM, Wjhonson wrote:
> > >  Pick BASIC
> > >
> > >  IF MYVALUE>  9 AND MYVALUE<  20 THEN...
> > >
> > >  or
> > >
> > >  IF 9<  MYVALUE<  20 THEN ...
> > >
> > >  or
> > >
> > >  IF BETWEEN(MYVALUE,9,20) THEN ...
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Re: [U2] BETWEEN operator

2012-04-18 Thread Allen E. Elwood

is between inclusive or exclusive?

in other words wouldn't it be written 'between 10 and 19' for values 10 from
19 instead of 'between 9 and 20' for 10 to 19? 

makes more sense if it's inclusive, imho

i've only seen BETWEEN used in uniquery before so.

-Original Message-
From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org
[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of dennis bartlett
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:19 PM
To: U2 Users List
Subject: Re: [U2] BETWEEN operator

the point is that rather than the cumbersome way we have always written the
GE LE statement, there might be a better way... that makes readability
better and will take you 3425.6 man hours to implement throughout your
system..

however I have no idea what I'm talking about here

On 18 April 2012 11:16, Allen Egerton  wrote:

> So what was/is your point?
>
> 'cause I'm like the other Allen, sitting here wondering what it is 
> that you're asking or responding to...
>
>
>
> On 4/17/2012 9:08 PM, Wjhonson wrote:
> > There is no question.
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Allen Elwood RR 
> > To: U2 Users List 
> > Sent: Tue, Apr 17, 2012 6:01 pm
> > Subject: Re: [U2] BETWEEN operator
> >
> >
> > did u hit send b4 the question?
> > On 4/17/2012 5:46 PM, Wjhonson wrote:
> >  Pick BASIC
> >
> >  IF MYVALUE>  9 AND MYVALUE<  20 THEN...
> >
> >  or
> >
> >  IF 9<  MYVALUE<  20 THEN ...
> >
> >  or
> >
> >  IF BETWEEN(MYVALUE,9,20) THEN ...
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