Re: [U2] User cannot login
Hi, I had to support windows implementations a few years ago and our customers had this problem regularly. Go into the GUI u2 admin tool. I haven't had to use the new tool, but in the UniAdmin, you would go into Network Services/Telenet, Click on the User tab. When you enter the domain and account they are case sensitive, they need to be identical to how they are defined on the AD. If you are interested, I have an old document I wrote for UniAdmin for our customers. Good luck! Tom RATEX Business Solutions. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 5:49 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] User cannot login There's some kind of setting in Windows that allows the domain to be discarded when on the same domain... or something. I'm not sure, maybe there's a Windows guru on here. -Original Message- From: Holt, Jake jh...@samsill.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Mon, Mar 11, 2013 2:00 pm Subject: Re: [U2] User cannot login I've tried it in the past, but doing it again made me consider something else and it worked. If I use domain\username it works... Must be something strange with his AD account. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 3:53 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] User cannot login This has nothing to do with Universe. It's a windows issue alone. Reset their password to something like TEST and then try it yourself first. Before you tell them to try it. -Original Message- From: Holt, Jake jh...@samsill.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Mon, Mar 11, 2013 1:48 pm Subject: Re: [U2] User cannot login It just acts like the password is invalid: Welcome to the IBM UniVerse Telnet Server. Enter user name: calvinr Enter password: Invalid domain/user/password. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 3:37 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] User cannot login Describe more what happens when they *try* to login. -Original Message- From: Holt, Jake jh...@samsill.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Mon, Mar 11, 2013 1:33 pm Subject: [U2] User cannot login I have a user, one of my system admins, that cannot login to Universe. Their user account is setup exactly like mine, there is no voc entry for the user and I have deleted and recreated the user a couple times just today. Is there anything else I can look at that would be preventing the him from logging in? We're running 10.0.21 on windows server 2003. Thanks, Jake Holt l samsill l Information Technology Director (817) 536 - 1906 x 217 l jh...@samsill.com www.samsill.com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] User cannot login
I'd be real interested to get a copy also. Thank You Robert Frailey Manager Information Systems Utah Medical Products Inc. Femcare-Nikomed Ltd. rfrai...@utahmed.com 801-569-4016 - Original Message - From: Tom Whitmore tewhitm...@ratex.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 5:17 AM Subject: Re: [U2] User cannot login Hi, I had to support windows implementations a few years ago and our customers had this problem regularly. Go into the GUI u2 admin tool. I haven't had to use the new tool, but in the UniAdmin, you would go into Network Services/Telenet, Click on the User tab. When you enter the domain and account they are case sensitive, they need to be identical to how they are defined on the AD. If you are interested, I have an old document I wrote for UniAdmin for our customers. Good luck! Tom RATEX Business Solutions. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 5:49 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] User cannot login There's some kind of setting in Windows that allows the domain to be discarded when on the same domain... or something. I'm not sure, maybe there's a Windows guru on here. -Original Message- From: Holt, Jake jh...@samsill.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Mon, Mar 11, 2013 2:00 pm Subject: Re: [U2] User cannot login I've tried it in the past, but doing it again made me consider something else and it worked. If I use domain\username it works... Must be something strange with his AD account. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 3:53 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] User cannot login This has nothing to do with Universe. It's a windows issue alone. Reset their password to something like TEST and then try it yourself first. Before you tell them to try it. -Original Message- From: Holt, Jake jh...@samsill.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Mon, Mar 11, 2013 1:48 pm Subject: Re: [U2] User cannot login It just acts like the password is invalid: Welcome to the IBM UniVerse Telnet Server. Enter user name: calvinr Enter password: Invalid domain/user/password. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 3:37 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] User cannot login Describe more what happens when they *try* to login. -Original Message- From: Holt, Jake jh...@samsill.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Mon, Mar 11, 2013 1:33 pm Subject: [U2] User cannot login I have a user, one of my system admins, that cannot login to Universe. Their user account is setup exactly like mine, there is no voc entry for the user and I have deleted and recreated the user a couple times just today. Is there anything else I can look at that would be preventing the him from logging in? We're running 10.0.21 on windows server 2003. Thanks, Jake Holt l samsill l Information Technology Director (817) 536 - 1906 x 217 l jh...@samsill.com www.samsill.com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Using the PUT method in an HTTP connection in UniBasic
I use Curl for this sort of stuff. I have a generic http/https send/get routine you can get here: http://www.schasny.com/bp/HTTP.TRANSFER jim.sto...@esc.edu wrote: Hello everyone, We have been playing around with the UniBasic commands createRequest and submitRequest for use with some web services provided by our external vendors. Unfortunately, one of the web services requires updates to existing data records to be submitted using the PUT method, instead of POST. According to the UniBasic Commands Reference for both UniData 7.2 and 7.3, the PUT method appears to not be supported for the createRequest command. That struck me as a little odd, so just to be sure, we tried it and couldn't get it to work. Does anyone know of an alternative way to create http requests in UniBasic that would support the PUT method? We have UniData 7.2 running on HP-UX. Most of my programming experience is on other platforms, typically on Windows, so my normal solution to this problem would be to make use of Microsoft's WinHTTP object (or one of its equivalent siblings) to handle the http request. Is there a way to do something equivalent to that in UniBasic on HP-UX? Thanks in advance for any suggestions you can give me! Jim Stoner ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Jeff Schasny - Denver, Co, USA jschasny at gmail dot com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
[U2] U2 Web DE Re-install
My PC dies a few weeks ago and I am trying to re-install the U2 Web DE package on my PC so that I can connect to UniData Redback on my UNIX box. Note that my web server running IIS is on yet a 3rd box. My documentation is slim to none and I am hoping to get some guidance. Everything is working fine on my UNIX box (RedBack and UniData) and all is good on my web server. I just need to get U2WebDE running from my PC. As I recall, when it asks if I want the Complete or Custom setup, I choose Custom. I am fine with the destination of C:\IBM\U2WEBDE When it asks for which features, it defaults to 1) U2 Web Designer, 2) IIS Gateway 3) International Licenses. If I click Next, I get a window showing an empty box stating: 0 IIS web sites are defined. Select one to use in this installation. Obviously, I am missing something here. If I backup to the features and also turn on the RedBack Object Server for UniData, and click next, it wants to start a Database service on my PC, but UniData is on a UNIX box. Where am I going wrong? JRI ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2 Web DE Re-install
Hi You need to make sure that you have install the IIS 6 compatibility options (under Add/Remove Windows Components), or the setup won't find your web sites. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Israel, John R. Sent: 12 March 2013 14:55 To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] U2 Web DE Re-install My PC dies a few weeks ago and I am trying to re-install the U2 Web DE package on my PC so that I can connect to UniData Redback on my UNIX box. Note that my web server running IIS is on yet a 3rd box. My documentation is slim to none and I am hoping to get some guidance. Everything is working fine on my UNIX box (RedBack and UniData) and all is good on my web server. I just need to get U2WebDE running from my PC. As I recall, when it asks if I want the Complete or Custom setup, I choose Custom. I am fine with the destination of C:\IBM\U2WEBDE When it asks for which features, it defaults to 1) U2 Web Designer, 2) IIS Gateway 3) International Licenses. If I click Next, I get a window showing an empty box stating: 0 IIS web sites are defined. Select one to use in this installation. Obviously, I am missing something here. If I backup to the features and also turn on the RedBack Object Server for UniData, and click next, it wants to start a Database service on my PC, but UniData is on a UNIX box. Where am I going wrong? JRI ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2 Web DE Re-install
Also, to set up the database side portion, you need to run WebDE developer, connect to the account and use the option to enable the account from there. Remember that unlike RedBack, there are no responders on the server. It is all done from the web server running pooled UniObjects connections. So you need to set up the new ini file (rgw5.ini) in place of the old rgw.ini on the web server, with the min/max pools and the connection credentials (encrypted password). Bad luck if that has an expiry policy. Setting up the ini file also requires WebDE developer, though once created you can copy the rgw5.ini around. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Israel, John R. Sent: 12 March 2013 14:55 To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] U2 Web DE Re-install My PC dies a few weeks ago and I am trying to re-install the U2 Web DE package on my PC so that I can connect to UniData Redback on my UNIX box. Note that my web server running IIS is on yet a 3rd box. My documentation is slim to none and I am hoping to get some guidance. Everything is working fine on my UNIX box (RedBack and UniData) and all is good on my web server. I just need to get U2WebDE running from my PC. As I recall, when it asks if I want the Complete or Custom setup, I choose Custom. I am fine with the destination of C:\IBM\U2WEBDE When it asks for which features, it defaults to 1) U2 Web Designer, 2) IIS Gateway 3) International Licenses. If I click Next, I get a window showing an empty box stating: 0 IIS web sites are defined. Select one to use in this installation. Obviously, I am missing something here. If I backup to the features and also turn on the RedBack Object Server for UniData, and click next, it wants to start a Database service on my PC, but UniData is on a UNIX box. Where am I going wrong? JRI ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2 Web DE Re-install
And after all of *that*, make sure you have installed .NET framework 4 on the web server, and if you are using old ASP style pages, you need to register the COM wrappers. Only supports the connection by name (the old open2 syntax) not the older connection via ADODB. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Israel, John R. Sent: 12 March 2013 14:55 To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] U2 Web DE Re-install My PC dies a few weeks ago and I am trying to re-install the U2 Web DE package on my PC so that I can connect to UniData Redback on my UNIX box. Note that my web server running IIS is on yet a 3rd box. My documentation is slim to none and I am hoping to get some guidance. Everything is working fine on my UNIX box (RedBack and UniData) and all is good on my web server. I just need to get U2WebDE running from my PC. As I recall, when it asks if I want the Complete or Custom setup, I choose Custom. I am fine with the destination of C:\IBM\U2WEBDE When it asks for which features, it defaults to 1) U2 Web Designer, 2) IIS Gateway 3) International Licenses. If I click Next, I get a window showing an empty box stating: 0 IIS web sites are defined. Select one to use in this installation. Obviously, I am missing something here. If I backup to the features and also turn on the RedBack Object Server for UniData, and click next, it wants to start a Database service on my PC, but UniData is on a UNIX box. Where am I going wrong? JRI ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2 Web DE Re-install
Thanks Brian! -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Brian Leach Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 12:22 PM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] U2 Web DE Re-install And after all of *that*, make sure you have installed .NET framework 4 on the web server, and if you are using old ASP style pages, you need to register the COM wrappers. Only supports the connection by name (the old open2 syntax) not the older connection via ADODB. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Israel, John R. Sent: 12 March 2013 14:55 To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] U2 Web DE Re-install My PC dies a few weeks ago and I am trying to re-install the U2 Web DE package on my PC so that I can connect to UniData Redback on my UNIX box. Note that my web server running IIS is on yet a 3rd box. My documentation is slim to none and I am hoping to get some guidance. Everything is working fine on my UNIX box (RedBack and UniData) and all is good on my web server. I just need to get U2WebDE running from my PC. As I recall, when it asks if I want the Complete or Custom setup, I choose Custom. I am fine with the destination of C:\IBM\U2WEBDE When it asks for which features, it defaults to 1) U2 Web Designer, 2) IIS Gateway 3) International Licenses. If I click Next, I get a window showing an empty box stating: 0 IIS web sites are defined. Select one to use in this installation. Obviously, I am missing something here. If I backup to the features and also turn on the RedBack Object Server for UniData, and click next, it wants to start a Database service on my PC, but UniData is on a UNIX box. Where am I going wrong? JRI ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
[U2] SB 5.5
OK gurus, here's one for you: Using SB 5.5, I make changes to my settings (like background color) and then Save Configuration As... and give it a New Session Name under the Classic tab. I can now see this as one of the available configurations the next time I log in. Where the heck is this saved? I haven't found any files in the C:\SBClient folder that have today's date. Thanks JRI ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] SB 5.5
It used to be in the TUSTATE file - not sure if it's changed now or not. It should be buried somewhere in your user account - likely under application data Colin -Original Message- From: Israel, John R. Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 12:53 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] SB 5.5 OK gurus, here's one for you: Using SB 5.5, I make changes to my settings (like background color) and then Save Configuration As... and give it a New Session Name under the Classic tab. I can now see this as one of the available configurations the next time I log in. Where the heck is this saved? I haven't found any files in the C:\SBClient folder that have today's date. Thanks JRI ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
[U2] Replacements for Old SB?
I'm still running across sites that have 1990's versions of SystemBuilder on different DBMS platforms. What's the latest wisdom on either migrating away from SB to another cross-platform product, or the pain of migrating/upgrading to a current UV/SB+ ? I'm fully aware that DesignBais is very familiar looking to SB users but there are no good conversion tools to get to that product. I'm also aware of another product based in the UK that has excellent tools for migrating From SB, but I don't like where they migrate To. Thanks for your thoughts. T Tony Gravagno Nebula Research and Development TG@ remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com Nebula RD sells mv.NET worldwide and provides related development services http://Nebula-RnD.com/blog Visit http://PickWiki.com! Contribute! http://Twitter.com/TonyGravagno http://groups.google.com/group/mvdbms ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Replacements for Old SB?
Hi Tony SB+ used to have (don't know if it does still) wrappers for the old SB screens, but they are really different animals and from what I dimly recall the wrapper never really flowed right - mixing models. I used to have tools to take SB to uvCase - giving them an immediate Windows GUI - and my current mvStudio product is mostly backward compatible with uvCase (i.e. it's uvCase with multiple platforms and another 15 years' lessons learned), so that might well be an option. I'd need to do some digging, though - it's a while since I converted an oldtime SB system! SB was never quite as adept at naval gazing as SB+, so it was in may ways a cleaner conversion. The problem with getting anything out of SB+ is that it constantly references itself and there is no separation between the logical model and its implementation, so if you go beyond parsing out all the file definitions and tools you just end up with another SB+. So an 80% conversion is easy .. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Tony Gravagno Sent: 12 March 2013 20:12 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Replacements for Old SB? I'm still running across sites that have 1990's versions of SystemBuilder on different DBMS platforms. What's the latest wisdom on either migrating away from SB to another cross-platform product, or the pain of migrating/upgrading to a current UV/SB+ ? I'm fully aware that DesignBais is very familiar looking to SB users but there are no good conversion tools to get to that product. I'm also aware of another product based in the UK that has excellent tools for migrating From SB, but I don't like where they migrate To. Thanks for your thoughts. T Tony Gravagno Nebula Research and Development TG@ remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com Nebula RD sells mv.NET worldwide and provides related development services http://Nebula-RnD.com/blog Visit http://PickWiki.com! Contribute! http://Twitter.com/TonyGravagno http://groups.google.com/group/mvdbms ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Replacements for Old SB?
My thoughts are from the point of employment. Of all the jobs posted over the past several years, several have asked for SB+ experience, none have asked for any other product of that class. -Original Message- From: Tony Gravagno 3xk547...@sneakemail.com To: u2-users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Tue, Mar 12, 2013 1:12 pm Subject: [U2] Replacements for Old SB? I'm still running across sites that have 1990's versions of SystemBuilder on different DBMS platforms. What's the latest wisdom on either migrating away from SB to another cross-platform product, or the pain of migrating/upgrading to a current UV/SB+ ? I'm fully aware that DesignBais is very familiar looking to SB users but there are no good conversion tools to get to that product. I'm also aware of another product based in the UK that has excellent tools for migrating From SB, but I don't like where they migrate To. Thanks for your thoughts. T Tony Gravagno Nebula Research and Development TG@ remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com Nebula RD sells mv.NET worldwide and provides related development services http://Nebula-RnD.com/blog Visit http://PickWiki.com! Contribute! http://Twitter.com/TonyGravagno http://groups.google.com/group/mvdbms ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] SB 5.5
Thanks - that got me started. JRI -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Colin Alfke Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 3:16 PM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] SB 5.5 It used to be in the TUSTATE file - not sure if it's changed now or not. It should be buried somewhere in your user account - likely under application data Colin -Original Message- From: Israel, John R. Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 12:53 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] SB 5.5 OK gurus, here's one for you: Using SB 5.5, I make changes to my settings (like background color) and then Save Configuration As... and give it a New Session Name under the Classic tab. I can now see this as one of the available configurations the next time I log in. Where the heck is this saved? I haven't found any files in the C:\SBClient folder that have today's date. Thanks JRI ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Replacements for Old SB?
From Wjhonson Of all the jobs posted over the past several years, several have asked for SB+ experience, none have asked for any other product of that class. I'll respond to that here because it dove-tails with what I have below. You don't see ads, in-part, because the sites still running the old software are largely not aware that an MV community exists that might respond to such an ad. Many of them don't even know what software they have running on their DOS system. Most of them that I run across have no consultants (I dare say Value-Add Reseller) who strongly insists on upgrades. The result is that they only reach out to the world after a hard drive failure, hurricane, or some other catastrophe. More below. From: Brian Leach So an 80% conversion is easy .. Yeah, everyone claims to do 80%, some only really do 50%. But we all know it's that last 20% that occupies your time for the next year or three. So perhaps to further refine the query, I'm looking for tools that really do bring us closer to that 95-98% mark - with no marketing fluff to bridge the gap between there and 80%. I don't have any immediate opportunities but I keep stumbling on these poor sites. And if I do, and picking up orphans isn't my business, then you gotta know that people who do go after that business must be finding more of these. Some of these sites have gone through developers (aka snake-oil salesmen) who claim they're going to convert the software but never do, and eventually the sites just migrate away from MV. It's a terrible story. [uh oh, soapbox alert] You'd think the MV DBMS providers would take some interest in this but I've yet to see any of them pro-actively offer assistance to any of these sites, for-fee or otherwise. I know the original intent was to discontinue support for SB and earlier SB+ in an effort to force end-users to migrate to U2. That tactic worked for some sites but the people who implemented that policy simply didn't have a plan-B for the large number of sites that didn't fall for it. They were thinking about starving out their DBMS competition by leveraging this tool. What actually happened is that end-users decided not to upgrade their DBMS just so they could keep using SB, and these sites migrate away from the model as soon as some young nephew comes along. So everyone loses with this predatory approach. I'm not asking any company to maintain software when it's not in their financial interest, nor to chase small sites that are more inclined to drop support than to migrate to a new platform. But from a marketing perspective we all lose when a policy like this is only half-implemented. Regards, T ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Replacements for Old SB?
Not sure what you mean by saying that discontinuing support for SB would make people migrate to U2 ? System Builder and U2 have been married since the days of Ardent. Not all U2 sites use it, I would suggest no more than one third of all U2 sites have ever user System Builder. Maybe you meant that they wanted people to move to .NET and Uniobjects? -Original Message- From: Tony Gravagno 3xk547...@sneakemail.com To: u2-users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Tue, Mar 12, 2013 2:23 pm Subject: Re: [U2] Replacements for Old SB? From Wjhonson Of all the jobs posted over the past several years, several have asked for SB+ experience, none have asked for any other product of that class. I'll respond to that here because it dove-tails with what I have below. You don't see ads, in-part, because the sites still running the old software are largely not aware that an MV community exists that might respond to such an ad. Many of them don't even know what software they have running on their DOS system. Most of them that I run across have no consultants (I dare say Value-Add Reseller) who strongly insists on upgrades. The result is that they only reach out to the world after a hard drive failure, hurricane, or some other catastrophe. More below. From: Brian Leach So an 80% conversion is easy .. Yeah, everyone claims to do 80%, some only really do 50%. But we all know it's that last 20% that occupies your time for the next year or three. So perhaps to further refine the query, I'm looking for tools that really do bring us closer to that 95-98% mark - with no marketing fluff to bridge the gap between there and 80%. I don't have any immediate opportunities but I keep stumbling on these poor sites. And if I do, and picking up orphans isn't my business, then you gotta know that people who do go after that business must be finding more of these. Some of these sites have gone through developers (aka snake-oil salesmen) who claim they're going to convert the software but never do, and eventually the sites just migrate away from MV. It's a terrible story. [uh oh, soapbox alert] You'd think the MV DBMS providers would take some interest in this but I've yet to see any of them pro-actively offer assistance to any of these sites, for-fee or otherwise. I know the original intent was to discontinue support for SB and earlier SB+ in an effort to force end-users to migrate to U2. That tactic worked for some sites but the people who implemented that policy simply didn't have a plan-B for the large number of sites that didn't fall for it. They were thinking about starving out their DBMS competition by leveraging this tool. What actually happened is that end-users decided not to upgrade their DBMS just so they could keep using SB, and these sites migrate away from the model as soon as some young nephew comes along. So everyone loses with this predatory approach. I'm not asking any company to maintain software when it's not in their financial interest, nor to chase small sites that are more inclined to drop support than to migrate to a new platform. But from a marketing perspective we all lose when a policy like this is only half-implemented. Regards, T ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Replacements for Old SB?
I'm guessing he meant the decision to stop supporting SB+ on top of D3. We had already migrated most of our customer base to U2 by that point so it didn't hurt us too badly, but even then it seemed like a cut off your nose to spite your face type of decision Colin -Original Message- From: Wjhonson Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 3:37 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Replacements for Old SB? Not sure what you mean by saying that discontinuing support for SB would make people migrate to U2 ? System Builder and U2 have been married since the days of Ardent. Not all U2 sites use it, I would suggest no more than one third of all U2 sites have ever user System Builder. Maybe you meant that they wanted people to move to .NET and Uniobjects? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Replacements for Old SB?
From: Wjhonson Not sure what you mean by saying that discontinuing support for SB would make people migrate to U2 ? System Builder and U2 have been married since the days of Ardent. Not all U2 sites use it, I would suggest no more than one third of all U2 sites have ever user System Builder. Maybe you meant that they wanted people to move to .NET and Uniobjects? Prior to the SB/U2 marriage, SB wasn't as monogamous. SB and SB+ were supported on other MV platforms. Ardent or IBM decided that SB+ would not be supported for other databases. It was an obvious effort to compel migrations to supported platforms, now only Universe and Unidata, where end-users would also now be forced to pay for DBMS licenses in addition to SB. Some end-users migrated from their original DBMS just to keep SB, it wasn't any newfound appreciation for U2. Many of these sites don't care about the DBMS at all, they just use whatever their VAR sells them under the application. I'm talking about the sites that had a choice and decided not to play. T ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Replacements for Old SB?
Thanks I never knew that history. I've been fairly focused on [what is now called] mvEnterprise, followed by Universe, MvBase, and then back to Universe. So never got into the D3 stuff. So if SB is not supported on D3, I wonder if there is a competing product that runs on D3, *and* more importantly actually has a toe hold in the market. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Replacements for Old SB?
From: Wjhonson Thanks I never knew that history. I've been fairly focused on [what is now called] mvEnterprise, followed by Universe, MvBase, and then back to Universe. So never got into the D3 stuff. So if SB is not supported on D3, I wonder if there is a competing product that runs on D3, *and* more importantly actually has a toe hold in the market. Well, I didn't mention D3 in my original note because that's not the only platform affected. mvBase is also affected. I dunno about mvEnterprise. But yeah, let's face it, Ardent/IBM targeted PS/RD/TL with a legitimate but fairly hostile competitive move, and yes all of those platforms belong to TigerLogic. As to competing product, I wouldn't really use that term. If you use a product like SB that you can't get away from because your application relies on it, then there is no competition as in alternatives of choice, any more than chocolate is an alternative for someone with a cocaine habit. That's why this was a fairly predatory tactic. If one considers alternatives in the same class as SB+ for _new_ development, there are a bunch of them including DesignBais, Viságe, ATGUI, and OpenInsight. Those are application development platforms. Then there are connectivity tools with similar but varying degrees of integration and GUI design, including FlashCONNECT, mv.NET, UO.NET, and Coyote. All of these tools, and many others compete with SB+ in an audience where people have more of a choice and limits on time and cash. My original point was that there's no clean path from old SB to _anything_, including the current SB+. I can't easily recommend an old site migrate to UV with SB+ now because the pain is about as bad as going with other options. The options I want to avoid presenting to any MV user is migration away from the platform, or getting a completely new MV application. There are plenty of people offering these solutions. T ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Replacements for Old SB?
Ouch nasty. I once ran into a site using Chandru Murthi's UPDATE processor and they wanted a quote on converting them to ... anything, since support didn't really exist. It was quite painful. I mean after they'd paid x for that system, then to have to essentially junk it completely five years later, to go *back* to a generic-but-less-wonderful solution, or forward (five times the price) to something similar but maintainable since I think Chandru probably sold twelve of these Maybe all the sites with SB on D3 (MvBase, MvEnterprise, or anything else) should have banded together to form a new consortium and hired a few programmers. Didn't there used to be SB conferences? Or is that my imagination? But probably tied to IBM-now-Rocket too strongly. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
