SV: [U2] U2 and MAC

2006-01-23 Thread Claus Derlien
mac os x is based on bsd, but remember that its a ppc processor, so you will 
need the version of universe/unidata compiled for a ppc, or wait until os x is 
released on an intel platform.

best regards from denmark

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At 14:14 -0500 2006/01/21, Mark Johnson wrote:
Isn't the underlying OS either Linux or Unix. That should be a start.

In a nutshell, it's the best of FreeBSD, NetBSD and OpenBSD.

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AW: [U2] U2 and MAC

2006-01-23 Thread Ewinger Klaus
Should not be a problem: AIX on ppc is a tier one platform for UniVerse/UniData.

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mac os x is based on bsd, but remember that its a ppc processor, so you will 
need the version of universe/unidata compiled for a ppc, or wait until os x is 
released on an intel platform.

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Re: [U2] U2 and MAC

2006-01-23 Thread Ron White

Mark Johnson wrote:


Isn't the underlying OS either Linux or Unix. That should be a start.
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Has there ever been a thought to put either of the U2 products on a Mac?
   


With
 


all of the recent news about Apple making a comeback I was wondering if
   


there
 


has ever been a thought to put a release on the MacOS.

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The OS is not the problem.  Any version of UV designed to run on 
PPC/Unix would

likely run on XServer but in a corporate environment I can not commit to an
unsupported install.

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Re: [U2] U2 and MAC

2006-01-23 Thread Raymond DeGennaro II

At 09:10 -0600 2006/01/23, Ron White wrote:
The OS is not the problem.  Any version of UV designed to run on 
PPC/Unix would likely run on XServer but in a corporate environment 
I can not commit to an unsupported install.


The PPC's in Macs are related to the Power series in IBM's servers, 
but they're not exactly the same.  I'd expect that you'd need a 
re-compile at the very least.


Also, BSD is not AIX, so there will very likely be some 
include/library issues.  And, OS X runs on a customized MACH kernel 
(which includes changes to improve thread launching/forking).  I 
don't know if AIX's kernel is MACH-like, but even if it is, there 
might still need to be changes in the threading model.


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RE: [U2] U2 and MAC

2006-01-23 Thread Baakkonen, Rodney A (Rod) 46K
Macs have been Available on the Intel platform for about two weeks.

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mac os x is based on bsd, but remember that its a ppc processor, so you will
need the version of universe/unidata compiled for a ppc, or wait until os x
is released on an intel platform.

best regards from denmark

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At 14:14 -0500 2006/01/21, Mark Johnson wrote:
Isn't the underlying OS either Linux or Unix. That should be a start.

In a nutshell, it's the best of FreeBSD, NetBSD and OpenBSD.

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RE: [U2] U2 and MAC

2006-01-23 Thread Glen Batchelor
 Don't you mean OS-X as been available on Intel systems for 2 weeks? I find
it impossible to believe that Apple would stoop down to Intel processor
architecture, just to get more market share. If they DID, then I'm going to
go outside and wait for the pink elephants and flying pigs(not to be
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 Macs have been Available on the Intel platform for about two weeks.
 
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 mac os x is based on bsd, but remember that its a ppc processor, so you
 will
 need the version of universe/unidata compiled for a ppc, or wait until os
 x
 is released on an intel platform.
 
 best regards from denmark
 
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 Isn't the underlying OS either Linux or Unix. That should be a start.
 
 In a nutshell, it's the best of FreeBSD, NetBSD and OpenBSD.
 
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RE: [U2] U2 and MAC

2006-01-23 Thread David Wolverton
Watch out for the flying animals!! Yup - even been running a bunch of TV ads
touting the new relationship... Macs now contains Intel chips, and are
running faster due to them.

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 Don't you mean OS-X as been available on Intel systems for 2 weeks? I find
it impossible to believe that Apple would stoop down to Intel processor
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RE: [U2] U2 and MAC

2006-01-23 Thread Raymond DeGennaro II

At 11:52 -0500 2006/01/23, Glen Batchelor wrote:

 Don't you mean OS-X as been available on Intel systems for 2 weeks?


Nope.  Apple's Intel-based Macs.


I find it impossible to believe that Apple would stoop down to Intel processor
architecture,


They're using the new Core Duo (aka Yonah) series in the iMacs and 
PowerBooks.  Others will follow over the next several years as Intel 
brings their newer chips online.



just to get more market share.


Actually, the explanation was that Intel had a better long term road 
map than IBM/FreeScale.  FreeScale has had a really hard time meeting 
Apple's supply needs, the Power Architecture looks like it's going to 
be focussing in the cell direction and more on embedded solutions 
and the IBM/FreeScale partnership has missed several promised speed 
increases and still can't quite get the power consumption/heat output 
under control in the G5 series.


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RE: [U2] U2 and MAC

2006-01-23 Thread colin.alfke
From www.apple.com: What's an Intel chip doing in a Mac?  A whole lot
more than it's ever done in a PC. 

Hth
Colin

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 Don't you mean OS-X as been available on Intel systems for 2 
weeks? I find it impossible to believe that Apple would stoop 
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RE: [U2] U2 and MAC

2006-01-23 Thread colin.alfke
P.S. Please send pictures ;-) 

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 Don't you mean OS-X as been available on Intel systems for 2 
weeks? I find it impossible to believe that Apple would stoop 
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RE: [U2] U2 and MAC

2006-01-23 Thread Raymond DeGennaro II

At 11:13 -0600 2006/01/23, David Wolverton wrote:

Macs now contains Intel chips, and are running faster due to them.


Yes, but it's not quite that simple.  The iMac went from a 
single-core 1.8 GHz G5 to a dual-core 1.8 or 2.0 GHz Core Duo and the 
15 1.5 GHz G4 PowerBook more or less became the 1.67 or 1.8 GHz 
MacBook Pro with the same Intel Core Duo chip.


The high-end desktops and servers, along with the Mini, iBook and the 
rest of the PowerBook line still use PPC's.  It will be some time 
before the new Intel lines are up to replacing the dual core G5's.


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RE: [U2] U2 and MAC

2006-01-23 Thread Glen Batchelor
  Intel has been focusing on the mobile market the past 5 years, so I can
sorta see why Apple would go with the new Centrino line. However; I'd be
weary of paying Mac price for a Pentium workstation. The bandwidth and
scalability, compared to AMD, just isn't comparable.

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 Subject: RE: [U2] U2 and MAC
 
 At 11:13 -0600 2006/01/23, David Wolverton wrote:
 Macs now contains Intel chips, and are running faster due to them.
 
 Yes, but it's not quite that simple.  The iMac went from a
 single-core 1.8 GHz G5 to a dual-core 1.8 or 2.0 GHz Core Duo and the
 15 1.5 GHz G4 PowerBook more or less became the 1.67 or 1.8 GHz
 MacBook Pro with the same Intel Core Duo chip.
 
 The high-end desktops and servers, along with the Mini, iBook and the
 rest of the PowerBook line still use PPC's.  It will be some time
 before the new Intel lines are up to replacing the dual core G5's.
 
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Re: [U2] U2 and MAC

2006-01-23 Thread Mark Johnson
Not for nuthin' but what would be the purpose of putting UV/UD on a Mac. I
see it as a technical challenge that can be accomplished but it doesn't seem
that practical or worthwhile. Macs are traditionally 50% more expensive than
equivilent PC, mano y mano, so what's the gain? I've owned many versions of
both from Apple I  II, Lisa, and IBM-PC, XT, Heathkits, S100's, TRS-80's to
today's P4's and Powerbooks and have kept the two families apart for their
own positive reasons.

I use my Powerbooks  G4's for video editing with Final Cut Pro and PC's for
everything else.

Just asking.
Thanks
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 Don't you mean OS-X as been available on Intel systems for 2 weeks? I find
 it impossible to believe that Apple would stoop down to Intel processor
 architecture, just to get more market share. If they DID, then I'm going
to
 go outside and wait for the pink elephants and flying pigs(not to be
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  Subject: RE: [U2] U2 and MAC
 
  Macs have been Available on the Intel platform for about two weeks.
 
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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Claus Derlien
  Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 3:37 AM
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  Subject: SV: [U2] U2 and MAC
 
 
  mac os x is based on bsd, but remember that its a ppc processor, so you
  will
  need the version of universe/unidata compiled for a ppc, or wait until
os
  x
  is released on an intel platform.
 
  best regards from denmark
 
  Claus Derlien
 
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  At 14:14 -0500 2006/01/21, Mark Johnson wrote:
  Isn't the underlying OS either Linux or Unix. That should be a start.
 
  In a nutshell, it's the best of FreeBSD, NetBSD and OpenBSD.
 
  Ray
 
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Re: [U2] U2 and MAC

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Re: [U2] U2 and MAC

2006-01-22 Thread Mark Johnson
Isn't the underlying OS either Linux or Unix. That should be a start.
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 Has there ever been a thought to put either of the U2 products on a Mac?
With
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Re: [U2] U2 and MAC

2006-01-22 Thread Raymond DeGennaro II

At 14:14 -0500 2006/01/21, Mark Johnson wrote:

Isn't the underlying OS either Linux or Unix. That should be a start.


In a nutshell, it's the best of FreeBSD, NetBSD and OpenBSD.

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[U2] U2 and MAC

2006-01-20 Thread Jerry Banker
Has there ever been a thought to put either of the U2 products on a Mac? With
all of the recent news about Apple making a comeback I was wondering if there
has ever been a thought to put a release on the MacOS.

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Re: [U2] U2 and MAC

2006-01-20 Thread Ron White

Jerry Banker wrote:


Has there ever been a thought to put either of the U2 products on a Mac? With
all of the recent news about Apple making a comeback I was wondering if there
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I asked IBM if they would port UniVerse to MAC OS X several months ago 
and the
response was that there was no demand for a MAC implementation so they 
were not
interested in doing one.  I like the Apple Xserver and I have considered 
buying one of

the new Intel based MAC client boxes.

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RE: [SPAM] Re: [U2] U2 and MAC

2006-01-20 Thread George Smith
I just ask them about a port to the Sun AMD boxes and got basically the
same if there is a demand answer.

And to IBM's credit, I believe if there was a demand they could (no
question here) and would do the port.

I guess what I am trying to say is I trust that they will do the right
(subjective) thing.

grs

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Mac? With
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I asked IBM if they would port UniVerse to MAC OS X several months ago 
and the
response was that there was no demand for a MAC implementation so they 
were not
interested in doing one.  I like the Apple Xserver and I have considered

buying one of
the new Intel based MAC client boxes.

Ron White
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Re: [U2] U2 and MAC

2006-01-20 Thread Raymond DeGennaro II

At 09:17 -0600 2006/01/20, Jerry Banker wrote:

Has there ever been a thought to put either of the U2 products on a Mac? With
all of the recent news about Apple making a comeback I was wondering if there
has ever been a thought to put a release on the MacOS.


I've asked the folks at IBM several times:  Around the times that the 
XServes started getting great reviews, when the Mac-based super 
computers started logging huge numbers, when Oracle and Sybase made 
their announcements about Mac versions, when IBM was running a survey 
about porting DB2 to OS X.  Each time I received something to the 
effect of: You write a business case, and we'll consider it..  It's 
interesting that I've never received the There's no demand. reply.


That said, I still feel that anybody and everybody that would like to 
see one of the U2 products running on an Apple's XServe/XSAN  (both 
of which have very favorable price/performance and performance/power 
requirements), drop the folks at [EMAIL PROTECTED] a note.  Wally 
Terhune and Tim Snyder also post to this list, but I don't know if 
dropping them a note would be helpful or merely annoying.


Alternatively, maybe there's enough Mac Folks on the list to put 
together a business case as a group.


Ray

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RE: [SPAM] Re: [U2] U2 and MAC

2006-01-20 Thread Raymond DeGennaro II

At 11:01 -0600 2006/01/20, George Smith wrote:

And to IBM's credit, I believe if there was a demand they could (no
question here) and would do the port.


I think that's the crux.  First you've got a DBMS that a small 
percentage of people are running and a lot of potential users write 
if off without properly considering it due to misconceptions and then 
you've got an OS that a small percentage of people are running and a 
lot of potential users write if off without properly considering it 
due to misconceptions.  It's a major double whammy.


I've also spoken to the folks at jBase about a port, and they gave 
basically the same Show us a business case. response.  The real 
interesting difference was that (at that time) they weren't really 
interested in selling the database as a product, but selling the 
license for somebody else to resell as part of their vertical 
application.  If somebody's got something in the works, that might be 
the tack to take with IBM.


Ray
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