Re: [U2] U2 is now Rocket U2
Thanks Jerry. I did once know that, but was fuzzy on it. Does anyone have a copy of that application? Yes, I know, silly question. cheers! --dawn On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 4:05 PM, jpb-u2ug jpb-u...@hotmail.com wrote: Prime Information Jerry Banker -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dawn Wolthuis Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 3:32 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] U2 is now Rocket U2 Love the U2-rocket story, Dominic. I don't know if there is any U2 in Russia or related countries, but I understand that some PICK or PICK-a-like system was used to track Russian spies in the US, perhaps all the way to the end of the cold war. If anyone has details on that, such as which MV flavor it was (something I might have known at one time), I'd be interested. [And, yes, I know, I know, I shouldn't be on this list--it should move over to U2C, but ...] Cheers! --dawn -- Dawn M. Wolthuis Take and give some delight today On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Dominic Baron dominic.ba...@publictrust.co.nz wrote: Yes, I also like U2. It has interesting historical associations, for those of us of a certain age. It was a U2 spy-plane that was shot down by a rocket over the USSR in 1960 that led to quite a frosty first meeting between Khruschev and Kennedy in Geneva that year. Which leads me to ask if anyone knows whether any U2 (DB's of course) installations exist in Russia or in any of the former Soviet Republics? Dominic Baron. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Dawn M. Wolthuis Take and give some delight today ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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No, PS/RD/TL no longer has development in Russia. However D3 does work in Cyrillic - and Thai. Not sure if any other MV DBMS produts can make the same claim. T From: djordan Pick Systems actually had RD over in Russia 10 years ago, not sure if that is still the case ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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On Tue, 13 Oct 2009, Tony Gravagno wrote: No, PS/RD/TL no longer has development in Russia. However D3 does work in Cyrillic - and Thai. Not sure if any other MV DBMS produts can make the same claim. It was my understanding that JBase would work with Unicode data, stored in UTF-8 format. I'm not sure how thoroughly that carries through to the user interface. Regards, Bob Rasmussen, President, Rasmussen Software, Inc. personal e-mail: r...@anzio.com company e-mail: r...@anzio.com voice: (US) 503-624-0360 (9:00-6:00 Pacific Time) fax: (US) 503-624-0760 web: http://www.anzio.com street address: Rasmussen Software, Inc. 10240 SW Nimbus, Suite L9 Portland, OR 97223 USA ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2 is now Rocket U2
Yes, I also like U2. It has interesting historical associations, for those of us of a certain age. It was a U2 spy-plane that was shot down by a rocket over the USSR in 1960 that led to quite a frosty first meeting between Khruschev and Kennedy in Geneva that year. Which leads me to ask if anyone knows whether any U2 (DB's of course) installations exist in Russia or in any of the former Soviet Republics? Dominic Baron. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of u2-users-requ...@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Monday, 12 October 2009 08:00 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: U2-Users Digest, Vol 6, Issue 9 Send U2-Users mailing list submissions to u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to u2-users-requ...@listserver.u2ug.org You can reach the person managing the list at u2-users-ow...@listserver.u2ug.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of U2-Users digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: U2 is now Rocket U2 (Tony Gravagno) 2. Re: U2 is now Rocket U2 (Charlie Noah) 3. Re: U2 is now Rocket U2 (BraDav) 4. Re: U2 is now Rocket U2 (Ed Clark) -- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 02:07:19 -0700 From: Tony Gravagno 3xk547...@sneakemail.com To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] U2 is now Rocket U2 Message-ID: 18623-75...@sneakemail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: BraDav Actually, I like U2. It short, to the point, and easy to remember. And it's got a popular association. However, if there is a name change, it would have to be a great alternative. I don't see anything wrong with maintaining the U2 brand as-is. One could say there is no U2 brand, so no need for an alternative. There will certainly be some disagreement but I think technically there is no such thing as U2. This was a term that was only coined when the Universe and Unidata products, very different and former rivals, were brought under common management. While there are many add-ons that work similarly for both platforms, these products haven't really evolved into a single platform, and I don't expect they will. So rather than changing a name from U2, and perpetuating a common reference for disparate products, the new owners may decide to position these products as completely separate offerings. On the other side of this, U2 isn't just a popular association, it's a marketing mechanism that allows the two platforms to benefit from one another, creating a perceived common user base which is Much larger than either of them. U2 only carries weight as a brand within the MV market, so changing the name may be a large and unjustifiable expense. The names U2, Universe, and Unidata equally mean nothing to the mainstream relationally-oriented market, so changing the names of any of these products seems equally unwarranted for that audience as well. Given these dynamics, I don't think we'll see any name changes. Tony Gravagno Nebula Research and Development TG@ remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com NEW: Follow TonyGravagno on Twitter remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com/blog Visit PickWiki.com! Contribute! -- Message: 2 Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 10:35:48 -0500 From: Charlie Noah cwn...@comcast.net To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] U2 is now Rocket U2 Message-ID: 4ad1fb54.9050...@comcast.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Now, Rob, wait a minute... also having over 30 years experience in the MV world, I have watched the progression from LP to tape to CD to digital (iPod, etc.), the real advances from kilobytes of memory to gigabytes, from megabytes of disk to terabytes, and from kilohertz of CPU speed to gigahertz. Audiophiles are discovered what I have always believed: the richness of sound of the old vinyl LP can't be matched by today's digital music, and the LP is enjoying a much deserved return to glory. I'm glad I didn't get rid of my vinyl collection, although, like me, it is showing its age. I wish Rocket all the best. I hope they understand what they really have. Although I work with Jbase now, I have spent many enjoyable years working with both Universe and Unidata, and they, like all the other MV environments I've worked with, make our jobs easy and fun. I've tried other environments over the years, and have always concluded that I already had the best the computer world had to offer, so why should I use something else not nearly as powerful? It may have been around for many years, but it's ability to adapt to and work with the most modern of technologies keeps it fresh, flexible and strong
Re: [U2] U2 is now Rocket U2
Friends and those who could be... I've had more than a few years to think about the double-edged value proposition that extended relational database systems offer. Few of us actively immersed in developing and /or using extended relational databases can complain of their efficacy, reliability or supportability. Unfortunately the fact that they are economical to buy, economical to support and have low horsepower requirements did little to make the average IBM salesperson promote either uniVerse or uniData to prospective clients, especially when they were focused on acheiving sales quotas and six figure bonus awards. It's a brutal fact, that selling U2 and it's accompanying light-weight hardware requirements wasn't even a consideration in the minds of salespeople accustomed to selling big iron and full-time consulting to DB2 and Informix shops. Consider for a moment, the IBM salesman who sold a few DB2 systems in a year, along with heavyweight iron and easily made quota and a very nice bonus, thank-you. Big systems command big bucks and make a big imprint at the boardroom where everyone from the president on down knew that a sizeable investment was being made with IBM. One or two full-time IBM techs become site-specialists and were added to the company payroll. The CEO gets bragging rights at the golf course and the country club for making a 7+ million dollar investment. That's not bad. That's good, it keeps the economy moving. If the IBM salesperson were to however concentrate on selling value priced universe or unidata solutions where a few hundred users can be supported on pint sized hardware and the quotation comes in at possibly 8% of the cost of the DB2 solution, what happens? No one at the board level takes notice. No one gets bragging rights for a $560k investment as no one at the club would believe a system could be bought that cheaply. Since no IBM techs were added to the company payroll, and no big-iron was purchased, the IBM salesman would have to work very hard for a very long time and sell a record setting quantity of cheap PC's and uv licenses to every mom and pop shop and 10 cent store to make the monthly quotas. If you were a salesman who had to meet a monthly quota, what would you sell? It's an unfortunate fact of business (and life too), that cheap rarely garners respect (and that applies for most walks of life). I hope that Rocket Software finds an appropriate niche with their purchase of uniVerse and uniData. Looking forward, the logical direction that I see for Rocket Software, is marketing big-ticket applications that take advantage of extended relational (multi-dimensional) database solutions to achieve superb results for their customers, and earn far greater profit margins for themselves than most pick vendors ever envisioned - except for Ted Sabarese :-). Regards Lee Bacall Binary Star Development Corporation www.binarystar.com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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Love the U2-rocket story, Dominic. I don't know if there is any U2 in Russia or related countries, but I understand that some PICK or PICK-a-like system was used to track Russian spies in the US, perhaps all the way to the end of the cold war. If anyone has details on that, such as which MV flavor it was (something I might have known at one time), I'd be interested. [And, yes, I know, I know, I shouldn't be on this list--it should move over to U2C, but ...] Cheers! --dawn -- Dawn M. Wolthuis Take and give some delight today On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Dominic Baron dominic.ba...@publictrust.co.nz wrote: Yes, I also like U2. It has interesting historical associations, for those of us of a certain age. It was a U2 spy-plane that was shot down by a rocket over the USSR in 1960 that led to quite a frosty first meeting between Khruschev and Kennedy in Geneva that year. Which leads me to ask if anyone knows whether any U2 (DB's of course) installations exist in Russia or in any of the former Soviet Republics? Dominic Baron. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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Prime Information Jerry Banker -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dawn Wolthuis Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 3:32 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] U2 is now Rocket U2 Love the U2-rocket story, Dominic. I don't know if there is any U2 in Russia or related countries, but I understand that some PICK or PICK-a-like system was used to track Russian spies in the US, perhaps all the way to the end of the cold war. If anyone has details on that, such as which MV flavor it was (something I might have known at one time), I'd be interested. [And, yes, I know, I know, I shouldn't be on this list--it should move over to U2C, but ...] Cheers! --dawn -- Dawn M. Wolthuis Take and give some delight today On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Dominic Baron dominic.ba...@publictrust.co.nz wrote: Yes, I also like U2. It has interesting historical associations, for those of us of a certain age. It was a U2 spy-plane that was shot down by a rocket over the USSR in 1960 that led to quite a frosty first meeting between Khruschev and Kennedy in Geneva that year. Which leads me to ask if anyone knows whether any U2 (DB's of course) installations exist in Russia or in any of the former Soviet Republics? Dominic Baron. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2 is now Rocket U2
What you say is correct Lee. However those days are gone with GFC for many large operations. U2 sales are OEM, people buy the package not the database. Even Oracle, is doing a major push to attract OEM as their sales future and so is Microsoft. Most boards, managers and companies do not even know that they are running U2, they are running an ERP system, an MRP system, a library system, etc. IBM knows it needs to sell through OEM, but it cannot get there. IBM knows that its market opportunity lies with SME, but does not know how to deal with them. Even before GFC sales to large corporations had squeezed. I remember something at a Digital sales conference. The top 20% of their customers were responsible for 70% of the revenue, however the other 80% were responsible for all the profit. The problem with big sites, is that sales had little margin, as the company wanted to say that they had these guys as customers. With the GFC, managers are looking more and more for value and delivery of results from IT and IT managers jobs are on the line. Whilst I don't see this as U2 going to increase sales 200 or 300 %, I do believe that there is an immense opportunity open up for U2 packages. Regards David Jordan ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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Pick Systems actually had RD over in Russia 10 years ago, not sure if that is still the case ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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Didn't Ultimate have a development center around Moscow? Steve -- Sent from my Palm Pre jpb-u2ug wrote: Prime Information Jerry Banker -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dawn Wolthuis Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 3:32 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] U2 is now Rocket U2 Love the U2-rocket story, Dominic. I don't know if there is any U2 in Russia or related countries, but I understand that some PICK or PICK-a-like system was used to track Russian spies in the US, perhaps all the way to the end of the cold war. If anyone has details on that, such as which MV flavor it was (something I might have known at one time), I'd be interested. [And, yes, I know, I know, I shouldn't be on this list--it should move over to U2C, but ...] Cheers! --dawn -- Dawn M. Wolthuis Take and give some delight today On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Dominic Baron lt;dominic.ba...@publictrust.co.nz wrote: Yes, I also like U2. It has interesting historical associations, for those of us of a certain age. It was a U2 spy-plane that was shot down by a rocket over the USSR in 1960 that led to quite a frosty first meeting between Khruschev and Kennedy in Geneva that year. Which leads me to ask if anyone knows whether any U2 (DB's of course) installations exist in Russia or in any of the former Soviet Republics? Dominic Baron. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2 is now Rocket U2
From: BraDav Actually, I like U2. It short, to the point, and easy to remember. And it's got a popular association. However, if there is a name change, it would have to be a great alternative. I don't see anything wrong with maintaining the U2 brand as-is. One could say there is no U2 brand, so no need for an alternative. There will certainly be some disagreement but I think technically there is no such thing as U2. This was a term that was only coined when the Universe and Unidata products, very different and former rivals, were brought under common management. While there are many add-ons that work similarly for both platforms, these products haven't really evolved into a single platform, and I don't expect they will. So rather than changing a name from U2, and perpetuating a common reference for disparate products, the new owners may decide to position these products as completely separate offerings. On the other side of this, U2 isn't just a popular association, it's a marketing mechanism that allows the two platforms to benefit from one another, creating a perceived common user base which is Much larger than either of them. U2 only carries weight as a brand within the MV market, so changing the name may be a large and unjustifiable expense. The names U2, Universe, and Unidata equally mean nothing to the mainstream relationally-oriented market, so changing the names of any of these products seems equally unwarranted for that audience as well. Given these dynamics, I don't think we'll see any name changes. Tony Gravagno Nebula Research and Development TG@ remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com NEW: Follow TonyGravagno on Twitter remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com/blog Visit PickWiki.com! Contribute! ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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Now, Rob, wait a minute... also having over 30 years experience in the MV world, I have watched the progression from LP to tape to CD to digital (iPod, etc.), the real advances from kilobytes of memory to gigabytes, from megabytes of disk to terabytes, and from kilohertz of CPU speed to gigahertz. Audiophiles are discovered what I have always believed: the richness of sound of the old vinyl LP can't be matched by today's digital music, and the LP is enjoying a much deserved return to glory. I'm glad I didn't get rid of my vinyl collection, although, like me, it is showing its age. I wish Rocket all the best. I hope they understand what they really have. Although I work with Jbase now, I have spent many enjoyable years working with both Universe and Unidata, and they, like all the other MV environments I've worked with, make our jobs easy and fun. I've tried other environments over the years, and have always concluded that I already had the best the computer world had to offer, so why should I use something else not nearly as powerful? It may have been around for many years, but it's ability to adapt to and work with the most modern of technologies keeps it fresh, flexible and strong. I just wish the rest of the world could see it. Best Regards, Charlie Noah On 10/9/2009 8:24 AM, Smith, Robert wrote: At some point, we will hopefully evolve beyond the old = undesirable mentality that is pervasive in our society, and once again appreciate the imagery that old things can evoke. As a technician with over thirty years experience, I have thoroughly enjoyed the journey I have witnessed since the days of the LP Player...to the iPod of today. What we largely lack today is a sense of history relative to what it has taken for us to progress to this point...and the imagination to achieve even more phenomenal accomplishments in the future. Where once our thoughts were expansive and limitless, they are now reserved and pedestrian. If someone with a sense of history and a determination to use Rocket as a means to evoke the imagery of a time when we thought in grander scales...then they were sadly mistaken. The company should seriously consider changing its name, otherwise they will be the butt of many a jokes. My two cents Rob -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of inquieti Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 5:03 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] U2 is now Rocket U2 IBM is very sixties also. Have you ever been to the Apollo space centre? All the computers were IBM and the IBM logo is splashed all around the control room. So I think if you're thinking retro then IBM sits there right along side Sputnik et al. Jacques G. wrote: I wonder what is the marketing idea behind the name Rocket ? To me it invokes late 1950 - 1960's Sputnik/Apollo technology to an epoch when cars designs were made to look like rockets, when there was a hockey player nicknamed Maurice The Rocket Richard and people watched Flash Gordon on a black and white television. When I hear Rocket I think retro like a LP Player, a typewriter, a PDP-1. Wouldn't one want a software product to sound more state of the art ? Sci-fi hasn't used the term Rocketship in decades. Jacques ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2 is now Rocket U2
Charlie, I agree with you overall that U2 (Unidata and Universe) is the best there is for development and maintaining applications. The data model stands head and shoulders above the rest, when it comes to RAD. However, there could be many improvements to the dbs, above and below the hood so to speak. That being said, one of the benefits of the U2 architecture is that it can be improved. For example, I maintained a file with 80 million records, at one site. It has virtually no overflow and the record distribution was nearly perfect. Access to the file was very fast, but we couldn't create indexes on it, because the indexes ran out of space. That's just one example, but the list is long. However, that's a positive. With the right amount of RD, U2 is positioned for another 20 year run. thanks, Brad - Original Message - From: Charlie Noah cwn...@comcast.net To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 11:35 AM Subject: Re: [U2] U2 is now Rocket U2 Now, Rob, wait a minute... also having over 30 years experience in the MV world, I have watched the progression from LP to tape to CD to digital (iPod, etc.), the real advances from kilobytes of memory to gigabytes, from megabytes of disk to terabytes, and from kilohertz of CPU speed to gigahertz. Audiophiles are discovered what I have always believed: the richness of sound of the old vinyl LP can't be matched by today's digital music, and the LP is enjoying a much deserved return to glory. I'm glad I didn't get rid of my vinyl collection, although, like me, it is showing its age. I wish Rocket all the best. I hope they understand what they really have. Although I work with Jbase now, I have spent many enjoyable years working with both Universe and Unidata, and they, like all the other MV environments I've worked with, make our jobs easy and fun. I've tried other environments over the years, and have always concluded that I already had the best the computer world had to offer, so why should I use something else not nearly as powerful? It may have been around for many years, but it's ability to adapt to and work with the most modern of technologies keeps it fresh, flexible and strong. I just wish the rest of the world could see it. Best Regards, Charlie Noah On 10/9/2009 8:24 AM, Smith, Robert wrote: At some point, we will hopefully evolve beyond the old = undesirable mentality that is pervasive in our society, and once again appreciate the imagery that old things can evoke. As a technician with over thirty years experience, I have thoroughly enjoyed the journey I have witnessed since the days of the LP Player...to the iPod of today. What we largely lack today is a sense of history relative to what it has taken for us to progress to this point...and the imagination to achieve even more phenomenal accomplishments in the future. Where once our thoughts were expansive and limitless, they are now reserved and pedestrian. If someone with a sense of history and a determination to use Rocket as a means to evoke the imagery of a time when we thought in grander scales...then they were sadly mistaken. The company should seriously consider changing its name, otherwise they will be the butt of many a jokes. My two cents Rob -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of inquieti Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 5:03 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] U2 is now Rocket U2 IBM is very sixties also. Have you ever been to the Apollo space centre? All the computers were IBM and the IBM logo is splashed all around the control room. So I think if you're thinking retro then IBM sits there right along side Sputnik et al. Jacques G. wrote: I wonder what is the marketing idea behind the name Rocket ? To me it invokes late 1950 - 1960's Sputnik/Apollo technology to an epoch when cars designs were made to look like rockets, when there was a hockey player nicknamed Maurice The Rocket Richard and people watched Flash Gordon on a black and white television. When I hear Rocket I think retro like a LP Player, a typewriter, a PDP-1. Wouldn't one want a software product to sound more state of the art ? Sci-fi hasn't used the term Rocketship in decades. Jacques ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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Not only was the U2 name coined when Universe and Unidata products, very different and former rivals, were brought under common management. as Tony says, but I think it was coined by the users on this list, concerned that the new company Ardent was more interested in promoting their O2 object-oriented database than the universe/unidata products. O2 evaporated, but U2 remained, and the name has stuck through the products' obscurity within Informix and Ibm. Maybe it's time to shed this slave name. What Rocket bought is really 3 different products: Universe and Unidata, which don't have that much in common beyond the multivalue data model (and are as different from each other as they are different from the other multivalued databases, qm, d3, reality, jbase, mvbase, revelation, and cache. Besides ownership, the biggest thing universe and unidata have in common is this u2 users geoup), and a set of client utilities that work as front ends to universe and unidata. I guess you could also count SB+ as a fourth product, because (correct me if I'm wrong) this still works with some other databases besides universe and unidata. Tony Gravagno wrote: From: BraDav Actually, I like U2. It short, to the point, and easy to remember. And it's got a popular association. However, if there is a name change, it would have to be a great alternative. I don't see anything wrong with maintaining the U2 brand as-is. One could say there is no U2 brand, so no need for an alternative. There will certainly be some disagreement but I think technically there is no such thing as U2. This was a term that was only coined when the Universe and Unidata products, very different and former rivals, were brought under common management. While there are many add-ons that work similarly for both platforms, these products haven't really evolved into a single platform, and I don't expect they will. So rather than changing a name from U2, and perpetuating a common reference for disparate products, the new owners may decide to position these products as completely separate offerings. On the other side of this, U2 isn't just a popular association, it's a marketing mechanism that allows the two platforms to benefit from one another, creating a perceived common user base which is Much larger than either of them. U2 only carries weight as a brand within the MV market, so changing the name may be a large and unjustifiable expense. The names U2, Universe, and Unidata equally mean nothing to the mainstream relationally-oriented market, so changing the names of any of these products seems equally unwarranted for that audience as well. Given these dynamics, I don't think we'll see any name changes. Tony Gravagno Nebula Research and Development TG@ remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com NEW: Follow TonyGravagno on Twitter remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com/blog Visit PickWiki.com! Contribute! ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2 is now Rocket U2
Rob, The only thing that U2 has missed over the last few years has been sufficient development resources to bring its various processes up-to-date. IBM was not reinvesting in U2 heavily, it was a cash-cow for them. What we need is what Rocket software is talking about: investment in the technology... SQL was invented in the earlt 70's!! Brad - Original Message - From: Jo Lester jp.les...@hotmail.com To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [U2] U2 is now Rocket U2 We can be called retro-rockets! From: smi...@philau.edu To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 09:24:18 -0400 Subject: Re: [U2] U2 is now Rocket U2 At some point, we will hopefully evolve beyond the old = undesirable mentality that is pervasive in our society, and once again appreciate the imagery that old things can evoke. As a technician with over thirty years experience, I have thoroughly enjoyed the journey I have witnessed since the days of the LP Player...to the iPod of today. What we largely lack today is a sense of history relative to what it has taken for us to progress to this point...and the imagination to achieve even more phenomenal accomplishments in the future. Where once our thoughts were expansive and limitless, they are now reserved and pedestrian. If someone with a sense of history and a determination to use Rocket as a means to evoke the imagery of a time when we thought in grander scales...then they were sadly mistaken. The company should seriously consider changing its name, otherwise they will be the butt of many a jokes. My two cents Rob _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2 is now Rocket U2
Actually, I like U2. It short, to the point, and easy to remember. And it's got a popular association. However, if there is a name change, it would have to be a great alternative. - Original Message - From: jpb-u2ug jpb-u...@hotmail.com To: 'U2 Users List' u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 4:23 PM Subject: Re: [U2] U2 is now Rocket U2 This all depends, if I am reading it correctly, their other products are being advertised until their original names and Rocket is more in the background. So they may advertise the U2 products under a completely different name. What would you like the name to be? Maybe Rocket would like some input on this point. After all we created the term U2 and IBM adopted it. Now, I think we should drop the U2 brand, since a lot of people think we are talking about the rock group, for a more 21st century name. Also we have got to stop calling them Pick databases. Multi-dimensional, multi-valued and extended relational are okay but maybe we can come up with a more futuristic name than that. How about Rocket or the users group starting up a contest to name the new division? Jerry Banker -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Smith, Robert Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 8:24 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] U2 is now Rocket U2 At some point, we will hopefully evolve beyond the old = undesirable mentality that is pervasive in our society, and once again appreciate the imagery that old things can evoke. As a technician with over thirty years experience, I have thoroughly enjoyed the journey I have witnessed since the days of the LP Player...to the iPod of today. What we largely lack today is a sense of history relative to what it has taken for us to progress to this point...and the imagination to achieve even more phenomenal accomplishments in the future. Where once our thoughts were expansive and limitless, they are now reserved and pedestrian. If someone with a sense of history and a determination to use Rocket as a means to evoke the imagery of a time when we thought in grander scales...then they were sadly mistaken. The company should seriously consider changing its name, otherwise they will be the butt of many a jokes. My two cents Rob -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of inquieti Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 5:03 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] U2 is now Rocket U2 IBM is very sixties also. Have you ever been to the Apollo space centre? All the computers were IBM and the IBM logo is splashed all around the control room. So I think if you're thinking retro then IBM sits there right along side Sputnik et al. Jacques G. wrote: I wonder what is the marketing idea behind the name Rocket ? To me it invokes late 1950 - 1960's Sputnik/Apollo technology to an epoch when cars designs were made to look like rockets, when there was a hockey player nicknamed Maurice The Rocket Richard and people watched Flash Gordon on a black and white television. When I hear Rocket I think retro like a LP Player, a typewriter, a PDP-1. Wouldn't one want a software product to sound more state of the art ? Sci-fi hasn't used the term Rocketship in decades. Jacques ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/U2-is-now-Rocket-U2-tp25693358p25817827.html Sent from the U2 - Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2 is now Rocket U2
IBM is very sixties also. Have you ever been to the Apollo space centre? All the computers were IBM and the IBM logo is splashed all around the control room. So I think if you're thinking retro then IBM sits there right along side Sputnik et al. Jacques G. wrote: I wonder what is the marketing idea behind the name Rocket ? To me it invokes late 1950 - 1960's Sputnik/Apollo technology to an epoch when cars designs were made to look like rockets, when there was a hockey player nicknamed Maurice The Rocket Richard and people watched Flash Gordon on a black and white television. When I hear Rocket I think retro like a LP Player, a typewriter, a PDP-1. Wouldn't one want a software product to sound more state of the art ? Sci-fi hasn't used the term Rocketship in decades. Jacques ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/U2-is-now-Rocket-U2-tp25693358p25817827.html Sent from the U2 - Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2 is now Rocket U2
At some point, we will hopefully evolve beyond the old = undesirable mentality that is pervasive in our society, and once again appreciate the imagery that old things can evoke. As a technician with over thirty years experience, I have thoroughly enjoyed the journey I have witnessed since the days of the LP Player...to the iPod of today. What we largely lack today is a sense of history relative to what it has taken for us to progress to this point...and the imagination to achieve even more phenomenal accomplishments in the future. Where once our thoughts were expansive and limitless, they are now reserved and pedestrian. If someone with a sense of history and a determination to use Rocket as a means to evoke the imagery of a time when we thought in grander scales...then they were sadly mistaken. The company should seriously consider changing its name, otherwise they will be the butt of many a jokes. My two cents Rob -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of inquieti Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 5:03 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] U2 is now Rocket U2 IBM is very sixties also. Have you ever been to the Apollo space centre? All the computers were IBM and the IBM logo is splashed all around the control room. So I think if you're thinking retro then IBM sits there right along side Sputnik et al. Jacques G. wrote: I wonder what is the marketing idea behind the name Rocket ? To me it invokes late 1950 - 1960's Sputnik/Apollo technology to an epoch when cars designs were made to look like rockets, when there was a hockey player nicknamed Maurice The Rocket Richard and people watched Flash Gordon on a black and white television. When I hear Rocket I think retro like a LP Player, a typewriter, a PDP-1. Wouldn't one want a software product to sound more state of the art ? Sci-fi hasn't used the term Rocketship in decades. Jacques ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/U2-is-now-Rocket-U2-tp25693358p25817827.html Sent from the U2 - Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2 is now Rocket U2
This all depends, if I am reading it correctly, their other products are being advertised until their original names and Rocket is more in the background. So they may advertise the U2 products under a completely different name. What would you like the name to be? Maybe Rocket would like some input on this point. After all we created the term U2 and IBM adopted it. Now, I think we should drop the U2 brand, since a lot of people think we are talking about the rock group, for a more 21st century name. Also we have got to stop calling them Pick databases. Multi-dimensional, multi-valued and extended relational are okay but maybe we can come up with a more futuristic name than that. How about Rocket or the users group starting up a contest to name the new division? Jerry Banker -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Smith, Robert Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 8:24 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] U2 is now Rocket U2 At some point, we will hopefully evolve beyond the old = undesirable mentality that is pervasive in our society, and once again appreciate the imagery that old things can evoke. As a technician with over thirty years experience, I have thoroughly enjoyed the journey I have witnessed since the days of the LP Player...to the iPod of today. What we largely lack today is a sense of history relative to what it has taken for us to progress to this point...and the imagination to achieve even more phenomenal accomplishments in the future. Where once our thoughts were expansive and limitless, they are now reserved and pedestrian. If someone with a sense of history and a determination to use Rocket as a means to evoke the imagery of a time when we thought in grander scales...then they were sadly mistaken. The company should seriously consider changing its name, otherwise they will be the butt of many a jokes. My two cents Rob -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of inquieti Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 5:03 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] U2 is now Rocket U2 IBM is very sixties also. Have you ever been to the Apollo space centre? All the computers were IBM and the IBM logo is splashed all around the control room. So I think if you're thinking retro then IBM sits there right along side Sputnik et al. Jacques G. wrote: I wonder what is the marketing idea behind the name Rocket ? To me it invokes late 1950 - 1960's Sputnik/Apollo technology to an epoch when cars designs were made to look like rockets, when there was a hockey player nicknamed Maurice The Rocket Richard and people watched Flash Gordon on a black and white television. When I hear Rocket I think retro like a LP Player, a typewriter, a PDP-1. Wouldn't one want a software product to sound more state of the art ? Sci-fi hasn't used the term Rocketship in decades. Jacques ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/U2-is-now-Rocket-U2-tp25693358p25817827.html Sent from the U2 - Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2 is now Rocket U2
We can be called retro-rockets! From: smi...@philau.edu To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 09:24:18 -0400 Subject: Re: [U2] U2 is now Rocket U2 At some point, we will hopefully evolve beyond the old = undesirable mentality that is pervasive in our society, and once again appreciate the imagery that old things can evoke. As a technician with over thirty years experience, I have thoroughly enjoyed the journey I have witnessed since the days of the LP Player...to the iPod of today. What we largely lack today is a sense of history relative to what it has taken for us to progress to this point...and the imagination to achieve even more phenomenal accomplishments in the future. Where once our thoughts were expansive and limitless, they are now reserved and pedestrian. If someone with a sense of history and a determination to use Rocket as a means to evoke the imagery of a time when we thought in grander scales...then they were sadly mistaken. The company should seriously consider changing its name, otherwise they will be the butt of many a jokes. My two cents Rob _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2 is now Rocket U2
I wonder if (when) the U2 Solution portal... http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/wikis/display/im/U2+Solution+Portal+-+Home ...and the U2 Developer works portal... http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/views/data/libraryview.jsp?search_by=U2 ...will be coming over soon? I couldn't find them in the knowledge base; fortunately, they're still active on the IBM site. Bill Ross Morrissey said the following on 9/30/2009 10:41 PM: http://www.rocketsoftware.com/u2/ is up, with trial version requests, certification, U2U, and a letter to the U2 Community A number of questions over the past couple of weeks appear to have been answered. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2 is now Rocket U2
Bill, I spoke to some IBMers... er... Rocketeers yesterday on that topic. They are still porting over tons of web material. While final dates were not communicated, they are working on it. - Chuck Bill Haskett wrote: I wonder if (when) the U2 Solution portal... http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/wikis/display/im/U2+Solution+Portal+-+Home ...and the U2 Developer works portal... http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/views/data/libraryview.jsp?search_by=U2 ...will be coming over soon? I couldn't find them in the knowledge base; fortunately, they're still active on the IBM site. Bill Ross Morrissey said the following on 9/30/2009 10:41 PM: http://www.rocketsoftware.com/u2/ is up, with trial version requests, certification, U2U, and a letter to the U2 Community A number of questions over the past couple of weeks appear to have been answered. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.5/2419 - Release Date: 10/07/09 05:18:00 ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
[U2] U2 is now Rocket U2 - what to call them?
I spoke to some IBMers... er... Rocketeers Maybe I missed this in the days after the announcement, but has the critical question of what to call Rocket Software employees been discussed? I kinda like Rocketeers but wonder if they'd prefer something else like Rocketers, Rocketmen (gender bias noted) or maybe even Rockettes? g What do you say, Rocket Software employees? Brad. U.S. BANCORP made the following annotations - Electronic Privacy Notice. This e-mail, and any attachments, contains information that is, or may be, covered by electronic communications privacy laws, and is also confidential and proprietary in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that you are legally prohibited from retaining, using, copying, distributing, or otherwise disclosing this information in any manner. Instead, please reply to the sender that you have received this communication in error, and then immediately delete it. Thank you in advance for your cooperation. - ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2 is now Rocket U2
I wonder what is the marketing idea behind the name Rocket ? To me it invokes late 1950 - 1960's Sputnik/Apollo technology to an epoch when cars designs were made to look like rockets, when there was a hockey player nicknamed Maurice The Rocket Richard and people watched Flash Gordon on a black and white television. When I hear Rocket I think retro like a LP Player, a typewriter, a PDP-1. Wouldn't one want a software product to sound more state of the art ? Sci-fi hasn't used the term Rocketship in decades. Jacques ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2 is now Rocket U2
Funny you should ask. Andy Youniss, Rocket's CEO, was asked the question of the origination of Rocket last night at dinner, and the short answer was that at the time 20 years ago, he liked it. Although it may feel retro to some, I disagree that it carries a negative connotation. One of the leading companies in the commercialization of space today, Space Exploration Technologies, uses the term in its material on http://www.spacex.com. In addition, NASA is a Rocket customer. The reason that rocketship has not been used in science fiction in decades is for decades it has been fact, not fiction. Henry Henry P. Unger Hitech Systems, Inc. http://www.hitech.com -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Jacques G. Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 1:03 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] U2 is now Rocket U2 I wonder what is the marketing idea behind the name Rocket ? To me it invokes late 1950 - 1960's Sputnik/Apollo technology to an epoch when cars designs were made to look like rockets, when there was a hockey player nicknamed Maurice The Rocket Richard and people watched Flash Gordon on a black and white television. When I hear Rocket I think retro like a LP Player, a typewriter, a PDP-1. Wouldn't one want a software product to sound more state of the art ? Sci-fi hasn't used the term Rocketship in decades. Jacques ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2 is now Rocket U2
I'm impressed that they actually used the MultiValue[TM] word on this page. That it is still a trademark of Spectrum, right? I don't recall them using that when they were IBM, although they might have. --dawn On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:41 AM, Ross Morrissey u...@rossmorrissey.com wrote: http://www.rocketsoftware.com/u2/ is up, with trial version requests, certification, U2U, and a letter to the U2 Community A number of questions over the past couple of weeks appear to have been answered. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Dawn M. Wolthuis Take and give some delight today ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2 is now Rocket U2 - what to call them?
Boosters? Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage Better by Design! -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users- boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of bradley.sch...@usbank.com Sent: Thursday, 8 October 2009 5:53 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] U2 is now Rocket U2 - what to call them? I spoke to some IBMers... er... Rocketeers Maybe I missed this in the days after the announcement, but has the critical question of what to call Rocket Software employees been discussed? I kinda like Rocketeers but wonder if they'd prefer something else like Rocketers, Rocketmen (gender bias noted) or maybe even Rockettes? g What do you say, Rocket Software employees? Brad. U.S. BANCORP made the following annotations - Electronic Privacy Notice. This e-mail, and any attachments, contains information that is, or may be, covered by electronic communications privacy laws, and is also confidential and proprietary in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that you are legally prohibited from retaining, using, copying, distributing, or otherwise disclosing this information in any manner. Instead, please reply to the sender that you have received this communication in error, and then immediately delete it. Thank you in advance for your cooperation. - ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2 is now Rocket U2
What's in a name? BTW: I never liked Ardent Software...thank goodness that name hasn't been brought back... yet! :) -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Henry Unger Sent: Thursday, 8 October 2009 7:26 AM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] U2 is now Rocket U2 Funny you should ask. Andy Youniss, Rocket's CEO, was asked the question of the origination of Rocket last night at dinner, and the short answer was that at the time 20 years ago, he liked it. Although it may feel retro to some, I disagree that it carries a negative connotation. One of the leading companies in the commercialization of space today, Space Exploration Technologies, uses the term in its material on http://www.spacex.com. In addition, NASA is a Rocket customer. The reason that rocketship has not been used in science fiction in decades is for decades it has been fact, not fiction. Henry Henry P. Unger Hitech Systems, Inc. http://www.hitech.com ** IMPORTANT MESSAGE * This e-mail message is intended only for the addressee(s) and contains information which may be confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please advise the sender by return email, do not use or disclose the contents, and delete the message and any attachments from your system. Unless specifically indicated, this email does not constitute formal advice or commitment by the sender or the Commonwealth Bank of Australia (ABN 48 123 123 124) or its subsidiaries. We can be contacted through our web site: commbank.com.au. If you no longer wish to receive commercial electronic messages from us, please reply to this e-mail by typing Unsubscribe in the subject line. ** ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2 is now Rocket U2
Wow already I am impressed, it's MUCH easier to navigate then IBM's U2 site! IMHO Dougc -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Ross Morrissey Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 1:41 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] U2 is now Rocket U2 http://www.rocketsoftware.com/u2/ is up, with trial version requests, certification, U2U, and a letter to the U2 Community A number of questions over the past couple of weeks appear to have been answered. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by SecureMail, and is believed to be clean. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
[U2] U2 is now Rocket U2
http://www.rocketsoftware.com/u2/ is up, with trial version requests, certification, U2U, and a letter to the U2 Community A number of questions over the past couple of weeks appear to have been answered. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
