Re: Spam:RE: [U2] U2 / mv.net
Cache' is the evolution of MUMPS and now also some of the evolution of Pick. For timing, Don Nelson designed the query language in the early to mid 60's where the MUMPS designer worked in the mid to late 60's, so MUMPS lags slightly behind, but both were there before Codd's paper on relations. By the way, if you look at the first of Don Nelson's papers that you can get to from http://www.tincat-group.com/mewsings/2006/02/list-of-girls.html you will see that he uses the term relation in a 1965 paper. I thought that was very interesting. --dawn -- Dawn M. Wolthuis Tincat Group, Inc. tincat-group.com Take and give some delight today On 4/16/07, Norman Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Cache isn't exactly putting a new face on an old product. > The inverse is probably the truth here. They are putting an > old face (PICK Basic) on a new (sort of) product, Cache. I thought Cache was the descendant of MUMPS. If so, it is at least as old as Pick. === Norman Morgan <> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <> http://www.brake.com === A balanced diet is a cookie in each hand. === --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: Spam:RE: [U2] U2 / mv.net
ROTFLOL I don't think this version of C has been out long enough for anyone to be considered a pro in it, but if you insist :-) Perhaps 5-6 years of experience with a language does not make one a "grizzled vet" in the U2 - Pick world, but within the Microsoft world, it sure does. I've used c# for some time now to produce internal applications using both UniVerse and SQL server as back end db's. Works well and has semi colons! :-) -- Don Kibbey --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: Spam:RE: [U2] U2 / mv.net
Shouldn't that be DB-3D :-) Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage > Better by Design! >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-u2- >[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jerry >Sent: Monday, 16 April 2007 11:45 PM >To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org >Subject: Re: Spam:RE: [U2] U2 / mv.net >with >one of the U2 products and start marketing it under the name DB-1D --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: Spam:RE: [U2] U2 / mv.net
> Cache isn't exactly putting a new face on an old product. > The inverse is probably the truth here. They are putting an > old face (PICK Basic) on a new (sort of) product, Cache. I thought Cache was the descendant of MUMPS. If so, it is at least as old as Pick. === Norman Morgan <> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <> http://www.brake.com === A balanced diet is a cookie in each hand. === --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: Spam:RE: [U2] U2 / mv.net
Cache isn't exactly putting a new face on an old product. The inverse is probably the truth here. They are putting an old face (PICK Basic) on a new (sort of) product, Cache. Thanks, Nick Cipollina -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Haskett Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 2:47 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: Spam:RE: [U2] U2 / mv.net Jerry: It's really cool how good ideas spring from seemingly nowhere. :-) Bill -Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jerry >Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 6:45 AM >To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org >Subject: Re: Spam:RE: [U2] U2 / mv.net > >Strange how you can just change the name or add a character to the name then >all of a sudden it makes it a whole new language. Just like this other >discussion on Cache. You put a new face on an old product and all of a >sudden it becomes the rage. Maybe IBM should consider doing the same with >one of the U2 products and start marketing it under the name DB-1D (Uni = 1, >Data) or DB-UV. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: Spam:RE: [U2] U2 / mv.net
Jerry: It's really cool how good ideas spring from seemingly nowhere. :-) Bill -Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jerry >Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 6:45 AM >To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org >Subject: Re: Spam:RE: [U2] U2 / mv.net > >Strange how you can just change the name or add a character to the name then >all of a sudden it makes it a whole new language. Just like this other >discussion on Cache. You put a new face on an old product and all of a >sudden it becomes the rage. Maybe IBM should consider doing the same with >one of the U2 products and start marketing it under the name DB-1D (Uni = 1, >Data) or DB-UV. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: Spam:RE: [U2] U2 / mv.net
- Original Message - From: "Brian Leach" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 5:57 AM Subject: Spam:RE: [U2] U2 / mv.net capabilities - usually by C# pros wishing to defend their geekiness and ROTFLOL I don't think this version of C has been out long enough for anyone to be considered a pro in it, but if you insist :-) Strange how you can just change the name or add a character to the name then all of a sudden it makes it a whole new language. Just like this other discussion on Cache. You put a new face on an old product and all of a sudden it becomes the rage. Maybe IBM should consider doing the same with one of the U2 products and start marketing it under the name DB-1D (Uni = 1, Data) or DB-UV. higher fees. But then, 'twas always thus with C++. In fact, that discussion is just another thing Microsoft have inherited from the Borland world when they appropriated Delphi for the design of .NET - all those Borland C++ guys (yes it was always guys) trying to pretend C++ was faster than Delphi. Wrong.. It's really just a matter of personal style and preference. I tend to use C# for my own projects and amusement and VB for onsite work - especially if the code will eventually be maintained and supported by someone else. It's just that little bit easier to read. I also prefer the VB syntax for purely IDE purposes - the intellisense works better when you type Dim MyVariable as New [and the drop down appears to give you the options ] as opposed to the C# [no context for the drop down to appear so you must remember the path yourself] System.bloody.long.namespace.path.to.this MyVariable = new [dropdown now finally appears for] System.bloody.long.namespace.path.to.this(); (As an aside, that's a bit of syntax I've always despised. Why not have a default constructor that doesn't need you to repeat the class name after new? How much time/typing would that save?) And the IDE makes a better job of linking event delegates in VB compared to C#. Passing var arguments is more clumsy in C# and annoying after VB. On the other hand, the syntax for generics fits more nicely with C#. Ya Pays Ya Money.. So essentially - if you want to show off use C#. If you want to produce code that people can follow, use VB.net. That's really the choice. At the library level they all work together. So you can always mix and match if you have a modular design. I've always done that with native Windows development - VB wrappers (for the look and feel) around Delphi components (to do the work) and occasional C++ libraries, drawing on the best skills of the developers I had at the time. People can get too hung up on the languages. What matters - always - is the design: you can produce crap in any language! I would learn both VB and C# anyway and widen your options - the real 'work' in learning .Net is about understanding the framework and design principles, and how Windows/GUI/Event oriented applications work anyway. After that, the syntax comes second. Brian -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Symeon Breen Sent: 14 April 2007 10:34 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] U2 / mv.net I use VB.NET with uniobjects.net- in the end both c# and vb.net create msil and there is in reality very little difference. There is a lot of snobbery out there about c# and vb.net that I would not advise anyone to get involved in ... Rgds Symeon. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nick Cipollina Sent: 13 April 2007 13:40 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] U2 / mv.net Hello, I'm curious, how many of you that are using .Net are using VB as opposed to C#? And why? Thanks, Nick Cipollina -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Hammerle Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 7:25 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [U2] U2 / mv.net Hello, We are in the process of converting some Unibasic/SB+ applications to VB apps using mv.Net. We are several months into the project and have learned quite a bit. We have spent a lot of time on design and have created documentation on what should and should not be done. I was wondering if there are any other users that would like to share their experiences and learn from each other? We are also implementing Report Services using mv.Net and these reports are quite impressive. We are a Unidata / SB+ / Unix shop currently using wIntergrate. Thank You, George [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list
