RE: [U2] Over-coming EDitor shortcomings
Some of us work for a living glancing at the emails offering help if we can. In our haste we sometimes don't notice that the email has grown in size. This is also one reason that I don't like in-line remarks. If I don't see what they want at the top I delete it. Jerry -Original Message- From: Timothy Snyder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 3:33 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Over-coming EDitor shortcomings > From what I can see this is technical discussion about interfacing with > U2. OK - granted. But what about over-quoting? People are reminded about this on a regular basis, and sometimes a special mention is made, as in this case. Still they continue to include the entire history. Tim Snyder Consulting I/T Specialist U2 Lab Services Information Management, IBM Software Group --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Over-coming EDitor shortcomings
> From what I can see this is technical discussion about interfacing with > U2. OK - granted. But what about over-quoting? People are reminded about this on a regular basis, and sometimes a special mention is made, as in this case. Still they continue to include the entire history. Tim Snyder Consulting I/T Specialist U2 Lab Services Information Management, IBM Software Group --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Over-coming EDitor shortcomings
>From what I can see this is technical discussion about interfacing with U2. -Original Message- From: Timothy Snyder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 10:08 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Over-coming EDitor shortcomings >This is shifting into a less technical zone, so I am going to ask you > to move it to community. >Also, *Please, Please, Please* remember to trim quotes when > responding. Apparently people are filtering out messages from the moderator, because this topic won't die and people insist on including the entire posting history with each message. Maybe if it comes from somebody besides the moderator they'll see it. Tim Snyder Consulting I/T Specialist U2 Lab Services Information Management, IBM Software Group --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Over-coming EDitor shortcomings
Charles, There is software you have to install into UniData before WED or GED will work. Check the AccuTerm website for details. If you are still stuck, e-mail me and I'll get you the instructions. - Chuck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is anyone using Accuterm in the Unidata environment (7.1)? --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Over-coming EDitor shortcomings
>This is shifting into a less technical zone, so I am going to ask you > to move it to community. >Also, *Please, Please, Please* remember to trim quotes when > responding. Apparently people are filtering out messages from the moderator, because this topic won't die and people insist on including the entire posting history with each message. Maybe if it comes from somebody besides the moderator they'll see it. Tim Snyder Consulting I/T Specialist U2 Lab Services Information Management, IBM Software Group --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Over-coming EDitor shortcomings
WINE is a windows emulator for linux/unix type systems that allow you to run windows programs on non windows system as to using accuterm its awesome! the features it offers is amazing, you can code a GUI system using accuterms GUI enviroment, the file transfers it's offers is amazing, you can transfer entire files, specific pick items and OS specific files with ease between systems using accuterm you can create automated scripts to do almost anything using pick and accuterm's scripting language there are tons more things that accuterm can do but I am not a accuterm salesman (just someone who uses it everyday and loves it) so check out their web site if all this sounds interesting search for accuterm on your favorote search engine dougc MAJ Programming wrote: What is WINE and is it a MV item or a non MV item. I use Accuterm as a wonderful cross-platform Windows-based Notepad style editor for Data/basic programs. Programs come alive when compared to over 25 years of EDIT or other 80x24 screen editors. Just being able to see 60 lines of code with color syntax highlighting is worth the price alone. The very popular MS commands are welcome. Oddly enough, WED is a derivative of the original MS EDIT that was very welcome compared to EDLIN. I am a strong proponent of WED and its Graphical development environment and it's a very good emulator. Please elaborate on your not knowing why anyone would use Accuterm. Those are pretty strong words against one of the most prevelant emulators in the MV world. I may have not used every emulator, especially the freeware ones that pop up on the internet. But I have worked with probably 10 emulators on MV-based systems and Accuterm kills them all, even Wintegrate. My 2 cents. Mark Johnson - Original Message - From: "David Tod Sigafoos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 1:43 PM Subject: Re[2]: [U2] Over-coming EDitor shortcomings MAJ, Does Accuterm work under WINE (though not sure why anyone would want to use Accuterm ) Monday, October 15, 2007, 6:07:04 AM, you wrote: MP> I don't argue the stability or anything supporting the use of unix as a MP> desktop OS. But in this case, it loses if it cannot use Accuterm. -- DSig ` David Tod Sigafoos ( O O ) ___oOOo__( )__oOOo___ "Our greatest duty in this life is to help others. And please, if you can't help them, could you at least not hurt them?" - H.H. the Dalai Lama --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Over-coming EDitor shortcomings
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jerry Banker Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 8:57 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Over-coming EDitor shortcomings JVC invented the VHS format. -- Ok, this is going seriously off-topic. Time to move it to u2-community. BTW, the reason Sony lost the VHS/Betamax wars is because they refused to license the technology to pornographers. They all went to VHS, and voila, an industry was born. Think Sony will make the same decision with Blu-Ray? --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Over-coming EDitor shortcomings
JVC invented the VHS format. -Original Message- From: MAJ Programming [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 8:07 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Over-coming EDitor shortcomings By toy it means that it has less credibility? Please explain. I'll borrow a video reference that endorses both sides of the unix/MS desktop debate. In the 1970's, Sony invented the Beta format for video tape and Panasonic (et al) invented the VHS (Video Home System). VHS won the popularity contest yet all along Beta was the better technology. (Oddly --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Over-coming EDitor shortcomings
By toy it means that it has less credibility? Please explain. I'll borrow a video reference that endorses both sides of the unix/MS desktop debate. In the 1970's, Sony invented the Beta format for video tape and Panasonic (et al) invented the VHS (Video Home System). VHS won the popularity contest yet all along Beta was the better technology. (Oddly enough, the Beta format (later BetaCam SP) was one of the last significant analog tape formats before digital taping came along.) I don't argue the stability or anything supporting the use of unix as a desktop OS. But in this case, it loses if it cannot use Accuterm. My 1 cent Mark Johnson - Original Message - From: "Allen E. Elwood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 6:06 PM Subject: RE: [U2] Over-coming EDitor shortcomings > This is exactly what people used to say about windows. It was just a 'toy'. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of MAJ Programming > Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 11:18 > To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > Subject: Re: [U2] Over-coming EDitor shortcomings > > > When people purposely choose to not follow what's popular, there are certain > risks involved. > > Not having Windows desktops on the client side causes a severe reduction in > available software. There is no business argument endorsing $0.00 for gvim > versus $20 for Accuterm when it closes the door on incredible productivity > tools like WED. > > We MV people have chosen to NOT follow the traditional SQL-based family of > databases. That's our choice. To go to a non-popular desktop that you have > just causes a continuous hunt for open-source/freeware with all of the > unsupported languages and techniques. > > I'm not pro-corporate (Big Blue, IBM, MS etc) in this regard and just follow > the trends like uninformed sheep. But the situation you describe will only > get worse as everyone depends on their peers for advanced products instead > of those that are capable of delivering (and supporting) their products. > > I'd be hard pressed to find someone as fully well versed in all things MV > AND Microsoft as Peter Schellenbach. He probably looked at the unix DESKTOP > and from a business sense concluded that these 'do it yourselfers' (No > flames please) won't spend money on a 'nix variant of Accuterm so why > bother. > > Don't you unix guys have MS emulators in your world of freeware that > Accuterm could run on? > > You get what you pay for. > Mark Johnson > > Tony: keep your flames on me limited to this topic of the editor and none > others. Thanks in advance. > - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 12:40 PM > Subject: RE: [U2] Over-coming EDitor shortcomings > > > > My point is that my workstation is running Linux (PCLinuxOS, for the > > curious), as was pointed out, and accuterm doesn't port to *nixes. Our > > server is AIX. I've put gvim on it since it's free. We don't have deep > > pockets to be paying much for emulators. I have a product installed called > > jtelnet which is open-source/free and is called from any java-enabled > > browser. Works very nicely for our account reps and support engineers. I > > know that's off the topic of EDitors, but it's all related dollar-wise. > > > > Karl > > > > > > > Do not know about Unidata but you can get to any unix directory/file > with > > > pointers in Universe. Then you can use either ED or WED and so on. I > have > > > to admit to being spoiled by accuterms WED. > > > > > > Ron Bertrand > > > Group Health > > > LIS/ISD > > > > > > > > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Fri 10/12/2007 9:30 PM > > > To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > > > Subject: Re: [U2] Over-coming EDitor shortcomings > > > > > > > > > > > > So, what good is that for those of us who live on Unix/Linux and don't > > > have the option of running Accuterm? > > > > > > I use gvim, which has pretty good syntax highlighting, > > > copy/move/find-replace, etc. I prefer it to ED. I've never used AE. > > > > > > I guess it's time to do some experimenting with other technologies. > > > > > > OH, and just for fun, consider this: I write my HTML code with gvim or > > > vim, period... > > > > > > Old School or just stubborn? hm
RE: [U2] Over-coming EDitor shortcomings
Yes, I am looking forward to getting my hands on it & the u2.net add in for visual studio -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Symeon Breen Sent: 15 October 2007 12:08 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Over-coming EDitor shortcomings I use the unidebugger for editing, its free, holds a lock and can also be used on the rare occasion you want an interactive debugger. The new u2 developer looks pretty cool as well - it is eclipse based and is out with udt 7.2. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kishor Parmar Sent: 15 October 2007 10:55 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Over-coming EDitor shortcomings I use both and find them much more 'friendlier' to use than SE if you have system builder or ED. Some people find it a problem using u2-logic's editor as eclipse does not take a lock for the code on the server so you could end up with version control problems. Also for those sites the use PRC for version control, neither product are PRC aware. Kishor -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Brian Leach Sent: 15 October 2007 09:47 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Over-coming EDitor shortcomings > So, what good is that for those of us who live on > Unix/Linux and don't have the option of running Accuterm? Answer - use a decent client-side editor. If you don't have ANY windows around, you might want to see whether u2-logic's editor works under Linux - it's eclipse based so I'm guessing it might. Or if you have a windows box somewhere, mvDeveloper. Both are free. [OT] Talking of terminal emulators - and aware that I'm moving way off-topic here - I recently saw a demo of a vt100 emulator - written entirely in Flash! Totally pointless but sooo coool - would that qualify as a 'rich internet green screen application' Brian --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ - * The contents of this e-mail are subject to contract in all cases and William Hill PLC, its subsidiaries or affiliates make no contractual commitment save where confirmed by hard copy. The contents of this e-mail do not necessarily represent the views of William Hill PLC, its subsidiaries or affiliates. We accept no liability, including liability for negligence, in respect of any statement in this e-mail. This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential, may be subject to legal privilege and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use or dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately, then delete this e-mail. Please note that William Hill can accept no responsibility for viruses and it is your responsibility to scan any emails and their attachments. This message was from William Hill PLC whose registered office is Greenside House, 50 Station Road, Wood Green, London N22 7TP. Company Registration Number: 4212563 England. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Over-coming EDitor shortcomings
I use the unidebugger for editing, its free, holds a lock and can also be used on the rare occasion you want an interactive debugger. The new u2 developer looks pretty cool as well - it is eclipse based and is out with udt 7.2. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kishor Parmar Sent: 15 October 2007 10:55 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Over-coming EDitor shortcomings I use both and find them much more 'friendlier' to use than SE if you have system builder or ED. Some people find it a problem using u2-logic's editor as eclipse does not take a lock for the code on the server so you could end up with version control problems. Also for those sites the use PRC for version control, neither product are PRC aware. Kishor -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Brian Leach Sent: 15 October 2007 09:47 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Over-coming EDitor shortcomings > So, what good is that for those of us who live on > Unix/Linux and don't have the option of running Accuterm? Answer - use a decent client-side editor. If you don't have ANY windows around, you might want to see whether u2-logic's editor works under Linux - it's eclipse based so I'm guessing it might. Or if you have a windows box somewhere, mvDeveloper. Both are free. [OT] Talking of terminal emulators - and aware that I'm moving way off-topic here - I recently saw a demo of a vt100 emulator - written entirely in Flash! Totally pointless but sooo coool - would that qualify as a 'rich internet green screen application' Brian --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ - * The contents of this e-mail are subject to contract in all cases and William Hill PLC, its subsidiaries or affiliates make no contractual commitment save where confirmed by hard copy. The contents of this e-mail do not necessarily represent the views of William Hill PLC, its subsidiaries or affiliates. We accept no liability, including liability for negligence, in respect of any statement in this e-mail. This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential, may be subject to legal privilege and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use or dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately, then delete this e-mail. Please note that William Hill can accept no responsibility for viruses and it is your responsibility to scan any emails and their attachments. This message was from William Hill PLC whose registered office is Greenside House, 50 Station Road, Wood Green, London N22 7TP. Company Registration Number: 4212563 England. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Over-coming EDitor shortcomings
I use both and find them much more 'friendlier' to use than SE if you have system builder or ED. Some people find it a problem using u2-logic's editor as eclipse does not take a lock for the code on the server so you could end up with version control problems. Also for those sites the use PRC for version control, neither product are PRC aware. Kishor -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Brian Leach Sent: 15 October 2007 09:47 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Over-coming EDitor shortcomings > So, what good is that for those of us who live on > Unix/Linux and don't have the option of running Accuterm? Answer - use a decent client-side editor. If you don't have ANY windows around, you might want to see whether u2-logic's editor works under Linux - it's eclipse based so I'm guessing it might. Or if you have a windows box somewhere, mvDeveloper. Both are free. [OT] Talking of terminal emulators - and aware that I'm moving way off-topic here - I recently saw a demo of a vt100 emulator - written entirely in Flash! Totally pointless but sooo coool - would that qualify as a 'rich internet green screen application' Brian --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ - * The contents of this e-mail are subject to contract in all cases and William Hill PLC, its subsidiaries or affiliates make no contractual commitment save where confirmed by hard copy. The contents of this e-mail do not necessarily represent the views of William Hill PLC, its subsidiaries or affiliates. We accept no liability, including liability for negligence, in respect of any statement in this e-mail. This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential, may be subject to legal privilege and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use or dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately, then delete this e-mail. Please note that William Hill can accept no responsibility for viruses and it is your responsibility to scan any emails and their attachments. This message was from William Hill PLC whose registered office is Greenside House, 50 Station Road, Wood Green, London N22 7TP. Company Registration Number: 4212563 England. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Over-coming EDitor shortcomings
> So, what good is that for those of us who live on > Unix/Linux and don't have the option of running Accuterm? Answer - use a decent client-side editor. If you don't have ANY windows around, you might want to see whether u2-logic's editor works under Linux - it's eclipse based so I'm guessing it might. Or if you have a windows box somewhere, mvDeveloper. Both are free. [OT] Talking of terminal emulators - and aware that I'm moving way off-topic here - I recently saw a demo of a vt100 emulator - written entirely in Flash! Totally pointless but sooo coool - would that qualify as a 'rich internet green screen application' Brian --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Over-coming EDitor shortcomings
All, This is shifting into a less technical zone, so I am going to ask you to move it to community. Also, *Please, Please, Please* remember to trim quotes when responding. the last response in this set weighed in at 10K when the actual response - new content only - was only one line long. - Charles Barouch, Moderator --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Over-coming EDitor shortcomings
This is exactly what people used to say about windows. It was just a 'toy'. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of MAJ Programming Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 11:18 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Over-coming EDitor shortcomings When people purposely choose to not follow what's popular, there are certain risks involved. Not having Windows desktops on the client side causes a severe reduction in available software. There is no business argument endorsing $0.00 for gvim versus $20 for Accuterm when it closes the door on incredible productivity tools like WED. We MV people have chosen to NOT follow the traditional SQL-based family of databases. That's our choice. To go to a non-popular desktop that you have just causes a continuous hunt for open-source/freeware with all of the unsupported languages and techniques. I'm not pro-corporate (Big Blue, IBM, MS etc) in this regard and just follow the trends like uninformed sheep. But the situation you describe will only get worse as everyone depends on their peers for advanced products instead of those that are capable of delivering (and supporting) their products. I'd be hard pressed to find someone as fully well versed in all things MV AND Microsoft as Peter Schellenbach. He probably looked at the unix DESKTOP and from a business sense concluded that these 'do it yourselfers' (No flames please) won't spend money on a 'nix variant of Accuterm so why bother. Don't you unix guys have MS emulators in your world of freeware that Accuterm could run on? You get what you pay for. Mark Johnson Tony: keep your flames on me limited to this topic of the editor and none others. Thanks in advance. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 12:40 PM Subject: RE: [U2] Over-coming EDitor shortcomings > My point is that my workstation is running Linux (PCLinuxOS, for the > curious), as was pointed out, and accuterm doesn't port to *nixes. Our > server is AIX. I've put gvim on it since it's free. We don't have deep > pockets to be paying much for emulators. I have a product installed called > jtelnet which is open-source/free and is called from any java-enabled > browser. Works very nicely for our account reps and support engineers. I > know that's off the topic of EDitors, but it's all related dollar-wise. > > Karl > > > > Do not know about Unidata but you can get to any unix directory/file with > > pointers in Universe. Then you can use either ED or WED and so on. I have > > to admit to being spoiled by accuterms WED. > > > > Ron Bertrand > > Group Health > > LIS/ISD > > > > ________________ > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Fri 10/12/2007 9:30 PM > > To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > > Subject: Re: [U2] Over-coming EDitor shortcomings > > > > > > > > So, what good is that for those of us who live on Unix/Linux and don't > > have the option of running Accuterm? > > > > I use gvim, which has pretty good syntax highlighting, > > copy/move/find-replace, etc. I prefer it to ED. I've never used AE. > > > > I guess it's time to do some experimenting with other technologies. > > > > OH, and just for fun, consider this: I write my HTML code with gvim or > > vim, period... > > > > Old School or just stubborn? hmmm. > > > > Karl > > > > > >> > >> > >> If you haven't used WED, their Windows EDitor, you're missing a ton of > >> helpful editor stuff. All of the shortcuts and command-line tricks pale > >> by > >> comparison. > >> > >> Funny, how everybody talks about the latest XYZ alphabetic technologies > >> yet > >> still use an editor barely better than vi or EDLIN. And don't let your > >> years > >> of experience sway you to protecting that fingertip editor. I've been > >> using > >> the regular EDIT, AE or vi coming up on 30 years and WED blows them all > >> away. (this ain't a contest) > >> > >> WED alone without their graphical developer tools (GED) or their > >> powerful > >> emulator is worth the price. Accuterm is truly one of the best bargains > >> in > >> the MV world. > >> > >> > >> - Original Message - > >> From: "Jerry Banker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: > >> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 10:21 AM > >> Subject: RE: [U2] Over-coming EDitor shortcomings
Re: [U2] Over-coming EDitor shortcomings
When people purposely choose to not follow what's popular, there are certain risks involved. Not having Windows desktops on the client side causes a severe reduction in available software. There is no business argument endorsing $0.00 for gvim versus $20 for Accuterm when it closes the door on incredible productivity tools like WED. We MV people have chosen to NOT follow the traditional SQL-based family of databases. That's our choice. To go to a non-popular desktop that you have just causes a continuous hunt for open-source/freeware with all of the unsupported languages and techniques. I'm not pro-corporate (Big Blue, IBM, MS etc) in this regard and just follow the trends like uninformed sheep. But the situation you describe will only get worse as everyone depends on their peers for advanced products instead of those that are capable of delivering (and supporting) their products. I'd be hard pressed to find someone as fully well versed in all things MV AND Microsoft as Peter Schellenbach. He probably looked at the unix DESKTOP and from a business sense concluded that these 'do it yourselfers' (No flames please) won't spend money on a 'nix variant of Accuterm so why bother. Don't you unix guys have MS emulators in your world of freeware that Accuterm could run on? You get what you pay for. Mark Johnson Tony: keep your flames on me limited to this topic of the editor and none others. Thanks in advance. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 12:40 PM Subject: RE: [U2] Over-coming EDitor shortcomings > My point is that my workstation is running Linux (PCLinuxOS, for the > curious), as was pointed out, and accuterm doesn't port to *nixes. Our > server is AIX. I've put gvim on it since it's free. We don't have deep > pockets to be paying much for emulators. I have a product installed called > jtelnet which is open-source/free and is called from any java-enabled > browser. Works very nicely for our account reps and support engineers. I > know that's off the topic of EDitors, but it's all related dollar-wise. > > Karl > > > > Do not know about Unidata but you can get to any unix directory/file with > > pointers in Universe. Then you can use either ED or WED and so on. I have > > to admit to being spoiled by accuterms WED. > > > > Ron Bertrand > > Group Health > > LIS/ISD > > > > ________________ > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Fri 10/12/2007 9:30 PM > > To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > > Subject: Re: [U2] Over-coming EDitor shortcomings > > > > > > > > So, what good is that for those of us who live on Unix/Linux and don't > > have the option of running Accuterm? > > > > I use gvim, which has pretty good syntax highlighting, > > copy/move/find-replace, etc. I prefer it to ED. I've never used AE. > > > > I guess it's time to do some experimenting with other technologies. > > > > OH, and just for fun, consider this: I write my HTML code with gvim or > > vim, period... > > > > Old School or just stubborn? hmmm. > > > > Karl > > > > > >> > >> > >> If you haven't used WED, their Windows EDitor, you're missing a ton of > >> helpful editor stuff. All of the shortcuts and command-line tricks pale > >> by > >> comparison. > >> > >> Funny, how everybody talks about the latest XYZ alphabetic technologies > >> yet > >> still use an editor barely better than vi or EDLIN. And don't let your > >> years > >> of experience sway you to protecting that fingertip editor. I've been > >> using > >> the regular EDIT, AE or vi coming up on 30 years and WED blows them all > >> away. (this ain't a contest) > >> > >> WED alone without their graphical developer tools (GED) or their > >> powerful > >> emulator is worth the price. Accuterm is truly one of the best bargains > >> in > >> the MV world. > >> > >> > >> - Original Message - > >> From: "Jerry Banker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: > >> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 10:21 AM > >> Subject: RE: [U2] Over-coming EDitor shortcomings > >> > >> > >>> I created a pre-store, a few years back, that does something similar > >>> thing in the regular editor. I think we were still on UV 7.4 at the > >>> time. > >>> >ED &ED& FIB > >>> 6 lines long. > &g
RE: [U2] Over-coming EDitor shortcomings
My point is that my workstation is running Linux (PCLinuxOS, for the curious), as was pointed out, and accuterm doesn't port to *nixes. Our server is AIX. I've put gvim on it since it's free. We don't have deep pockets to be paying much for emulators. I have a product installed called jtelnet which is open-source/free and is called from any java-enabled browser. Works very nicely for our account reps and support engineers. I know that's off the topic of EDitors, but it's all related dollar-wise. Karl > Do not know about Unidata but you can get to any unix directory/file with > pointers in Universe. Then you can use either ED or WED and so on. I have > to admit to being spoiled by accuterms WED. > > Ron Bertrand > Group Health > LIS/ISD > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Fri 10/12/2007 9:30 PM > To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > Subject: Re: [U2] Over-coming EDitor shortcomings > > > > So, what good is that for those of us who live on Unix/Linux and don't > have the option of running Accuterm? > > I use gvim, which has pretty good syntax highlighting, > copy/move/find-replace, etc. I prefer it to ED. I've never used AE. > > I guess it's time to do some experimenting with other technologies. > > OH, and just for fun, consider this: I write my HTML code with gvim or > vim, period... > > Old School or just stubborn? hmmm. > > Karl > > >> >> >> If you haven't used WED, their Windows EDitor, you're missing a ton of >> helpful editor stuff. All of the shortcuts and command-line tricks pale >> by >> comparison. >> >> Funny, how everybody talks about the latest XYZ alphabetic technologies >> yet >> still use an editor barely better than vi or EDLIN. And don't let your >> years >> of experience sway you to protecting that fingertip editor. I've been >> using >> the regular EDIT, AE or vi coming up on 30 years and WED blows them all >> away. (this ain't a contest) >> >> WED alone without their graphical developer tools (GED) or their >> powerful >> emulator is worth the price. Accuterm is truly one of the best bargains >> in >> the MV world. >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Jerry Banker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: >> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 10:21 AM >> Subject: RE: [U2] Over-coming EDitor shortcomings >> >> >>> I created a pre-store, a few years back, that does something similar >>> thing in the regular editor. I think we were still on UV 7.4 at the >>> time. >>> >ED &ED& FIB >>> 6 lines long. >>> >>> : P >>> 0001: EPre-stored Command saved at 16:50:53 24 JUN 1998 >>> 0002: FORMAT >>> 0003: SAVE >>> 0004: XEQ DECATALOG @FILE @ID >>> 0005: XEQ BASIC @FILE @ID >>> 0006: XEQ CATALOG @FILE @ID >>> Bottom at line 6. >>> >>> So when in the regular editor all you have to do is type in: .X FIB >>> Which is a few more key strokes but less than all of the commands. >>> I didn't want to do the run because most of the development at the time >>> was done on a live system. But you could add: XEQ @FILE @ID or XEQ @ID >>> after the last line and save it as FIBR to do as you are doing. >>> Jerry >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Baker Hughes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 8:40 AM >>> To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org >>> Subject: [U2] Over-coming EDitor shortcomings >>> >>> >>> FIX >>> 0001 PA >>> 0002 FORMAT BP <> >>> 0003 ED BP <> >>> 0004 HUSH ON >>> 0005 DELETE BP.O <> >>> 0006 HUSH OFF >>> 0007 BASIC BP <> >>> >>> My 2 bits on this topic. >>> >>> Karl >>> >>> >>> >>> Which is why I like the AE [alternate] editor. >>> >>> Once you've executed a format command in your logon session, you simply >>> type 'FOR' at any time the rest of the day, in any edit session, to >>> format with the same parameters. >>> >>> FOR -I3 -M3 [Indention of 3, margin of 3] >>> >>> BTW, If you're chasing a pesky bug that's hidden in a 14 tier nested >>> LOOP,IF,CASE,Whatever then use this: >>> 'FOR -TRACE' it will put pipes in for you where we used to draw lines >>> with our
RE: [U2] Over-coming EDitor shortcomings
Hey Mark, I took it to mean he's running Linux on his PC I'm thinking of setting up a Linux boot drive on my PC for a potential gig I've got coming up. From what I've been reading, it's a nice product. I love AccuTerm too, great product. I tried to get Peter to make a TED, which would be like WED but a TCL Manager instead. No word on that yet. *=aee=* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of MAJ Programming Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 08:01 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Over-coming EDitor shortcomings Peter Schellenbach is too smart to not allow Accuterm to work on Unix/Linux (UD/UV). I checked their website www.asent.com to see if the platforms were represented but didn't see them. I know that it works on UV/Unix and D3/NT and Mvbase/NT, and UV/SCO. Microdata and most natives will be too slow for WED. If you connect to the MV database with COM1 or telnet or SSH then you're covered. Lotsa times software like this has an environment variable or installation choice that decides which MV it's connected to. For WED it may not mattter as much so it's wide open. GED and the subroutines may be more picky although I don't know how different it may be. It's a great, all-in-one package...Windows Editing, Graphical designer for Data/Basic and great emulator. Plus at $20 per seat vs $200 for other emulators, it's practically free. My free cents. Mark Johnson - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 12:30 AM Subject: Re: [U2] Over-coming EDitor shortcomings > So, what good is that for those of us who live on Unix/Linux and don't > have the option of running Accuterm? > --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Over-coming EDitor shortcomings
Do not know about Unidata but you can get to any unix directory/file with pointers in Universe. Then you can use either ED or WED and so on. I have to admit to being spoiled by accuterms WED. Ron Bertrand Group Health LIS/ISD From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri 10/12/2007 9:30 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Over-coming EDitor shortcomings So, what good is that for those of us who live on Unix/Linux and don't have the option of running Accuterm? I use gvim, which has pretty good syntax highlighting, copy/move/find-replace, etc. I prefer it to ED. I've never used AE. I guess it's time to do some experimenting with other technologies. OH, and just for fun, consider this: I write my HTML code with gvim or vim, period... Old School or just stubborn? hmmm. Karl > > > If you haven't used WED, their Windows EDitor, you're missing a ton of > helpful editor stuff. All of the shortcuts and command-line tricks pale by > comparison. > > Funny, how everybody talks about the latest XYZ alphabetic technologies > yet > still use an editor barely better than vi or EDLIN. And don't let your > years > of experience sway you to protecting that fingertip editor. I've been > using > the regular EDIT, AE or vi coming up on 30 years and WED blows them all > away. (this ain't a contest) > > WED alone without their graphical developer tools (GED) or their powerful > emulator is worth the price. Accuterm is truly one of the best bargains in > the MV world. > > > - Original Message - > From: "Jerry Banker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 10:21 AM > Subject: RE: [U2] Over-coming EDitor shortcomings > > >> I created a pre-store, a few years back, that does something similar >> thing in the regular editor. I think we were still on UV 7.4 at the >> time. >> >ED &ED& FIB >> 6 lines long. >> >> : P >> 0001: EPre-stored Command saved at 16:50:53 24 JUN 1998 >> 0002: FORMAT >> 0003: SAVE >> 0004: XEQ DECATALOG @FILE @ID >> 0005: XEQ BASIC @FILE @ID >> 0006: XEQ CATALOG @FILE @ID >> Bottom at line 6. >> >> So when in the regular editor all you have to do is type in: .X FIB >> Which is a few more key strokes but less than all of the commands. >> I didn't want to do the run because most of the development at the time >> was done on a live system. But you could add: XEQ @FILE @ID or XEQ @ID >> after the last line and save it as FIBR to do as you are doing. >> Jerry >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Baker Hughes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 8:40 AM >> To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org >> Subject: [U2] Over-coming EDitor shortcomings >> >> >> FIX >> 0001 PA >> 0002 FORMAT BP <> >> 0003 ED BP <> >> 0004 HUSH ON >> 0005 DELETE BP.O <> >> 0006 HUSH OFF >> 0007 BASIC BP <> >> >> My 2 bits on this topic. >> >> Karl >> >> >> >> Which is why I like the AE [alternate] editor. >> >> Once you've executed a format command in your logon session, you simply >> type 'FOR' at any time the rest of the day, in any edit session, to >> format with the same parameters. >> >> FOR -I3 -M3 [Indention of 3, margin of 3] >> >> BTW, If you're chasing a pesky bug that's hidden in a 14 tier nested >> LOOP,IF,CASE,Whatever then use this: >> 'FOR -TRACE' it will put pipes in for you where we used to draw lines >> with our ruler to trace the logical flow. >> >> Then when your done and want to compile: >> >> 'FIBR' will file it, compile it, and run it [don't get to habitual with >> the 'R' if your in a sub]. >> >> The AE invoked compiler removes the old source when it starts, that way >> if the compile produces no object, it doesn't run the old object code. >> At least this is the behavior on UV 10 or higher. >> >> >> 356: >> 357:IF HOLD # '' AND NOT(ALARM) THEN >> *--: FOR -I3 -M3 >> Margin=3, Indentation=3, -incase >> !! >> *--: FOR >> Margin=3, Indentation=3, -incase >> !! >> *--: FIB >> Filed "DOE.WRITE.SUB.F1675" in file "BHB". >> Compiling: Source = '/system1/dev.programs/BHB/DOE.WRITE.SUB.F1675', >> Object = '/system1/dev.programs/BHB.O/DOE.WRITE.SUB.F1675' >> ***
Re: [U2] Over-coming EDitor shortcomings
Peter Schellenbach is too smart to not allow Accuterm to work on Unix/Linux (UD/UV). I checked their website www.asent.com to see if the platforms were represented but didn't see them. I know that it works on UV/Unix and D3/NT and Mvbase/NT, and UV/SCO. Microdata and most natives will be too slow for WED. If you connect to the MV database with COM1 or telnet or SSH then you're covered. Lotsa times software like this has an environment variable or installation choice that decides which MV it's connected to. For WED it may not mattter as much so it's wide open. GED and the subroutines may be more picky although I don't know how different it may be. It's a great, all-in-one package...Windows Editing, Graphical designer for Data/Basic and great emulator. Plus at $20 per seat vs $200 for other emulators, it's practically free. My free cents. Mark Johnson - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 12:30 AM Subject: Re: [U2] Over-coming EDitor shortcomings > So, what good is that for those of us who live on Unix/Linux and don't > have the option of running Accuterm? > > I use gvim, which has pretty good syntax highlighting, > copy/move/find-replace, etc. I prefer it to ED. I've never used AE. > > I guess it's time to do some experimenting with other technologies. > > OH, and just for fun, consider this: I write my HTML code with gvim or > vim, period... > > Old School or just stubborn? hmmm. > > Karl > > > > > > > > If you haven't used WED, their Windows EDitor, you're missing a ton of > > helpful editor stuff. All of the shortcuts and command-line tricks pale by > > comparison. > > > > Funny, how everybody talks about the latest XYZ alphabetic technologies > > yet > > still use an editor barely better than vi or EDLIN. And don't let your > > years > > of experience sway you to protecting that fingertip editor. I've been > > using > > the regular EDIT, AE or vi coming up on 30 years and WED blows them all > > away. (this ain't a contest) > > > > WED alone without their graphical developer tools (GED) or their powerful > > emulator is worth the price. Accuterm is truly one of the best bargains in > > the MV world. > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Jerry Banker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: > > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 10:21 AM > > Subject: RE: [U2] Over-coming EDitor shortcomings > > > > > >> I created a pre-store, a few years back, that does something similar > >> thing in the regular editor. I think we were still on UV 7.4 at the > >> time. > >> >ED &ED& FIB > >> 6 lines long. > >> > >> : P > >> 0001: EPre-stored Command saved at 16:50:53 24 JUN 1998 > >> 0002: FORMAT > >> 0003: SAVE > >> 0004: XEQ DECATALOG @FILE @ID > >> 0005: XEQ BASIC @FILE @ID > >> 0006: XEQ CATALOG @FILE @ID > >> Bottom at line 6. > >> > >> So when in the regular editor all you have to do is type in: .X FIB > >> Which is a few more key strokes but less than all of the commands. > >> I didn't want to do the run because most of the development at the time > >> was done on a live system. But you could add: XEQ @FILE @ID or XEQ @ID > >> after the last line and save it as FIBR to do as you are doing. > >> Jerry > >> > >> -Original Message- > >> From: Baker Hughes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 8:40 AM > >> To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > >> Subject: [U2] Over-coming EDitor shortcomings > >> > >> > >> FIX > >> 0001 PA > >> 0002 FORMAT BP <> > >> 0003 ED BP <> > >> 0004 HUSH ON > >> 0005 DELETE BP.O <> > >> 0006 HUSH OFF > >> 0007 BASIC BP <> > >> > >> My 2 bits on this topic. > >> > >> Karl > >> > >> > >> > >> Which is why I like the AE [alternate] editor. > >> > >> Once you've executed a format command in your logon session, you simply > >> type 'FOR' at any time the rest of the day, in any edit session, to > >> format with the same parameters. > >> > >> FOR -I3 -M3 [Indention of 3, margin of 3] > >> > >> BTW, If you're chasing a pesky bug that's hidden in a 14 tier nested > >> LOOP,IF,CASE,Whatever then use this: > >> 'FOR -TRACE' it wi
Re: [U2] Over-coming EDitor shortcomings
So, what good is that for those of us who live on Unix/Linux and don't have the option of running Accuterm? I use gvim, which has pretty good syntax highlighting, copy/move/find-replace, etc. I prefer it to ED. I've never used AE. I guess it's time to do some experimenting with other technologies. OH, and just for fun, consider this: I write my HTML code with gvim or vim, period... Old School or just stubborn? hmmm. Karl > > > If you haven't used WED, their Windows EDitor, you're missing a ton of > helpful editor stuff. All of the shortcuts and command-line tricks pale by > comparison. > > Funny, how everybody talks about the latest XYZ alphabetic technologies > yet > still use an editor barely better than vi or EDLIN. And don't let your > years > of experience sway you to protecting that fingertip editor. I've been > using > the regular EDIT, AE or vi coming up on 30 years and WED blows them all > away. (this ain't a contest) > > WED alone without their graphical developer tools (GED) or their powerful > emulator is worth the price. Accuterm is truly one of the best bargains in > the MV world. > > > - Original Message - > From: "Jerry Banker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 10:21 AM > Subject: RE: [U2] Over-coming EDitor shortcomings > > >> I created a pre-store, a few years back, that does something similar >> thing in the regular editor. I think we were still on UV 7.4 at the >> time. >> >ED &ED& FIB >> 6 lines long. >> >> : P >> 0001: EPre-stored Command saved at 16:50:53 24 JUN 1998 >> 0002: FORMAT >> 0003: SAVE >> 0004: XEQ DECATALOG @FILE @ID >> 0005: XEQ BASIC @FILE @ID >> 0006: XEQ CATALOG @FILE @ID >> Bottom at line 6. >> >> So when in the regular editor all you have to do is type in: .X FIB >> Which is a few more key strokes but less than all of the commands. >> I didn't want to do the run because most of the development at the time >> was done on a live system. But you could add: XEQ @FILE @ID or XEQ @ID >> after the last line and save it as FIBR to do as you are doing. >> Jerry >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Baker Hughes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 8:40 AM >> To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org >> Subject: [U2] Over-coming EDitor shortcomings >> >> >> FIX >> 0001 PA >> 0002 FORMAT BP <> >> 0003 ED BP <> >> 0004 HUSH ON >> 0005 DELETE BP.O <> >> 0006 HUSH OFF >> 0007 BASIC BP <> >> >> My 2 bits on this topic. >> >> Karl >> >> >> >> Which is why I like the AE [alternate] editor. >> >> Once you've executed a format command in your logon session, you simply >> type 'FOR' at any time the rest of the day, in any edit session, to >> format with the same parameters. >> >> FOR -I3 -M3 [Indention of 3, margin of 3] >> >> BTW, If you're chasing a pesky bug that's hidden in a 14 tier nested >> LOOP,IF,CASE,Whatever then use this: >> 'FOR -TRACE' it will put pipes in for you where we used to draw lines >> with our ruler to trace the logical flow. >> >> Then when your done and want to compile: >> >> 'FIBR' will file it, compile it, and run it [don't get to habitual with >> the 'R' if your in a sub]. >> >> The AE invoked compiler removes the old source when it starts, that way >> if the compile produces no object, it doesn't run the old object code. >> At least this is the behavior on UV 10 or higher. >> >> >> 356: >> 357:IF HOLD # '' AND NOT(ALARM) THEN >> *--: FOR -I3 -M3 >> Margin=3, Indentation=3, -incase >> !! >> *--: FOR >> Margin=3, Indentation=3, -incase >> !! >> *--: FIB >> Filed "DOE.WRITE.SUB.F1675" in file "BHB". >> Compiling: Source = '/system1/dev.programs/BHB/DOE.WRITE.SUB.F1675', >> Object = '/system1/dev.programs/BHB.O/DOE.WRITE.SUB.F1675' >> >> *** >> 000671 >> >> Compilation Complete. >> >> Of course, you could stack the FORmat command and the FIBR command into >> a saved prestore that you recall when you begin your edit session, but >> that's another subject. >> >> FWIW, >> -Baker >> --- >> u2-users mailing list >> u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org >> To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ >> --- >> u2-users mailing list >> u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org >> To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ > --- > u2-users mailing list > u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ > -- Karl Pearson Director of I.T. ATS Industrial Supply, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.atsindustrial.com 800-789-9300 x29 Local: 801-978-4429 Fax: 801-972-3888 "To mess up your Linux PC, you have to really work at it; to mess up a microsoft PC you just have to work on it." --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Over-coming EDitor shortcomings
If you haven't used WED, their Windows EDitor, you're missing a ton of helpful editor stuff. All of the shortcuts and command-line tricks pale by comparison. Funny, how everybody talks about the latest XYZ alphabetic technologies yet still use an editor barely better than vi or EDLIN. And don't let your years of experience sway you to protecting that fingertip editor. I've been using the regular EDIT, AE or vi coming up on 30 years and WED blows them all away. (this ain't a contest) WED alone without their graphical developer tools (GED) or their powerful emulator is worth the price. Accuterm is truly one of the best bargains in the MV world. - Original Message - From: "Jerry Banker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 10:21 AM Subject: RE: [U2] Over-coming EDitor shortcomings > I created a pre-store, a few years back, that does something similar > thing in the regular editor. I think we were still on UV 7.4 at the > time. > >ED &ED& FIB > 6 lines long. > > : P > 0001: EPre-stored Command saved at 16:50:53 24 JUN 1998 > 0002: FORMAT > 0003: SAVE > 0004: XEQ DECATALOG @FILE @ID > 0005: XEQ BASIC @FILE @ID > 0006: XEQ CATALOG @FILE @ID > Bottom at line 6. > > So when in the regular editor all you have to do is type in: .X FIB > Which is a few more key strokes but less than all of the commands. > I didn't want to do the run because most of the development at the time > was done on a live system. But you could add: XEQ @FILE @ID or XEQ @ID > after the last line and save it as FIBR to do as you are doing. > Jerry > > -Original Message- > From: Baker Hughes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 8:40 AM > To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > Subject: [U2] Over-coming EDitor shortcomings > > > FIX > 0001 PA > 0002 FORMAT BP <> > 0003 ED BP <> > 0004 HUSH ON > 0005 DELETE BP.O <> > 0006 HUSH OFF > 0007 BASIC BP <> > > My 2 bits on this topic. > > Karl > > > > Which is why I like the AE [alternate] editor. > > Once you've executed a format command in your logon session, you simply > type 'FOR' at any time the rest of the day, in any edit session, to > format with the same parameters. > > FOR -I3 -M3 [Indention of 3, margin of 3] > > BTW, If you're chasing a pesky bug that's hidden in a 14 tier nested > LOOP,IF,CASE,Whatever then use this: > 'FOR -TRACE' it will put pipes in for you where we used to draw lines > with our ruler to trace the logical flow. > > Then when your done and want to compile: > > 'FIBR' will file it, compile it, and run it [don't get to habitual with > the 'R' if your in a sub]. > > The AE invoked compiler removes the old source when it starts, that way > if the compile produces no object, it doesn't run the old object code. > At least this is the behavior on UV 10 or higher. > > > 356: > 357:IF HOLD # '' AND NOT(ALARM) THEN > *--: FOR -I3 -M3 > Margin=3, Indentation=3, -incase > !! > *--: FOR > Margin=3, Indentation=3, -incase > !! > *--: FIB > Filed "DOE.WRITE.SUB.F1675" in file "BHB". > Compiling: Source = '/system1/dev.programs/BHB/DOE.WRITE.SUB.F1675', > Object = '/system1/dev.programs/BHB.O/DOE.WRITE.SUB.F1675' > > *** > 000671 > > Compilation Complete. > > Of course, you could stack the FORmat command and the FIBR command into > a saved prestore that you recall when you begin your edit session, but > that's another subject. > > FWIW, > -Baker > --- > u2-users mailing list > u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ > --- > u2-users mailing list > u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Over-coming EDitor shortcomings
On 10/12/07, Baker Hughes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >The AE invoked compiler removes the old source when it starts, that way >if the compile produces no object, it doesn't run the old object code. >At least this is the behavior on UV 10 or higher. I think the UV compiler has always removed the original source; which frankly I find to be a major irritant. /Scott Ballinger Pareto Corporation Edmonds WA USA 206 713 6006 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Over-coming EDitor shortcomings
I created a pre-store, a few years back, that does something similar thing in the regular editor. I think we were still on UV 7.4 at the time. >ED &ED& FIB 6 lines long. : P 0001: EPre-stored Command saved at 16:50:53 24 JUN 1998 0002: FORMAT 0003: SAVE 0004: XEQ DECATALOG @FILE @ID 0005: XEQ BASIC @FILE @ID 0006: XEQ CATALOG @FILE @ID Bottom at line 6. So when in the regular editor all you have to do is type in: .X FIB Which is a few more key strokes but less than all of the commands. I didn't want to do the run because most of the development at the time was done on a live system. But you could add: XEQ @FILE @ID or XEQ @ID after the last line and save it as FIBR to do as you are doing. Jerry -Original Message- From: Baker Hughes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 8:40 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Over-coming EDitor shortcomings FIX 0001 PA 0002 FORMAT BP <> 0003 ED BP <> 0004 HUSH ON 0005 DELETE BP.O <> 0006 HUSH OFF 0007 BASIC BP <> My 2 bits on this topic. Karl Which is why I like the AE [alternate] editor. Once you've executed a format command in your logon session, you simply type 'FOR' at any time the rest of the day, in any edit session, to format with the same parameters. FOR -I3 -M3 [Indention of 3, margin of 3] BTW, If you're chasing a pesky bug that's hidden in a 14 tier nested LOOP,IF,CASE,Whatever then use this: 'FOR -TRACE' it will put pipes in for you where we used to draw lines with our ruler to trace the logical flow. Then when your done and want to compile: 'FIBR' will file it, compile it, and run it [don't get to habitual with the 'R' if your in a sub]. The AE invoked compiler removes the old source when it starts, that way if the compile produces no object, it doesn't run the old object code. At least this is the behavior on UV 10 or higher. 356: 357:IF HOLD # '' AND NOT(ALARM) THEN *--: FOR -I3 -M3 Margin=3, Indentation=3, -incase !! *--: FOR Margin=3, Indentation=3, -incase !! *--: FIB Filed "DOE.WRITE.SUB.F1675" in file "BHB". Compiling: Source = '/system1/dev.programs/BHB/DOE.WRITE.SUB.F1675', Object = '/system1/dev.programs/BHB.O/DOE.WRITE.SUB.F1675' *** 000671 Compilation Complete. Of course, you could stack the FORmat command and the FIBR command into a saved prestore that you recall when you begin your edit session, but that's another subject. FWIW, -Baker --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
