Re: [U2] U2 and MAC
Mark Johnson wrote: Isn't the underlying OS either Linux or Unix. That should be a start. - Original Message - From: Jerry Banker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 10:17 AM Subject: [U2] U2 and MAC Has there ever been a thought to put either of the U2 products on a Mac? With all of the recent news about Apple making a comeback I was wondering if there has ever been a thought to put a release on the MacOS. Jerry Banker --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ The OS is not the problem. Any version of UV designed to run on PPC/Unix would likely run on XServer but in a corporate environment I can not commit to an unsupported install. Ron White --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] U2 and MAC
At 09:10 -0600 2006/01/23, Ron White wrote: The OS is not the problem. Any version of UV designed to run on PPC/Unix would likely run on XServer but in a corporate environment I can not commit to an unsupported install. The PPC's in Macs are related to the Power series in IBM's servers, but they're not exactly the same. I'd expect that you'd need a re-compile at the very least. Also, BSD is not AIX, so there will very likely be some include/library issues. And, OS X runs on a customized MACH kernel (which includes changes to improve thread launching/forking). I don't know if AIX's kernel is MACH-like, but even if it is, there might still need to be changes in the threading model. Ray -- .=. | =-=-=-=-=-=-= Eagle Rock Information Systems Corp =-=-=-=-=-=-= | | -=-=-=-=-=-=- web and database business solutions -=-=-=-=-=-=- | | http://www.eriscorp.commailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | |Midwest Regional Office: 815-547-0662 (voice) 815-547-0353 (Fax)| .=. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] U2 and MAC
Macs have been Available on the Intel platform for about two weeks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Claus Derlien Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 3:37 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: SV: [U2] U2 and MAC mac os x is based on bsd, but remember that its a ppc processor, so you will need the version of universe/unidata compiled for a ppc, or wait until os x is released on an intel platform. best regards from denmark Claus Derlien -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af Raymond DeGennaro II Sendt: 23. januar 2006 05:24 Til: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Cc: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org; Mark Johnson Emne: Re: [U2] U2 and MAC At 14:14 -0500 2006/01/21, Mark Johnson wrote: Isn't the underlying OS either Linux or Unix. That should be a start. In a nutshell, it's the best of FreeBSD, NetBSD and OpenBSD. Ray Frie Funktionfrer - faglig organisation og tvfrfaglig a-kasse - www.f-f.dk *** Denne email og alle filer vedlagt som bilag kan indeholde fortroligt materiale, der kun er beregnet for adressaten, og maa ikke udleveres eller kopieres til uvedkommende. Har De ved en fejltagelse modtaget denne email, bedes De venligst omgaaende meddele os dette pr. telefon : 6313 8550. Paa forhaand tak. *** This email and any files transmitted with it may contain confidential information intended for the addressee(s) only. The information is not to be surrendered or copied to unauthorised persons. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone: +45 6313 8550. Thank you. *** --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] U2 and MAC
Don't you mean OS-X as been available on Intel systems for 2 weeks? I find it impossible to believe that Apple would stoop down to Intel processor architecture, just to get more market share. If they DID, then I'm going to go outside and wait for the pink elephants and flying pigs(not to be confused with Pink Floyd). --- Glen Batchelor IT Director All-Spec Industries phone: (910) 332-0424 fax: (910) 763-5664 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- www.allspec.com --- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-u2- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Baakkonen, Rodney A (Rod) 46K Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 10:01 AM To: 'u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org' Subject: RE: [U2] U2 and MAC Macs have been Available on the Intel platform for about two weeks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Claus Derlien Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 3:37 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: SV: [U2] U2 and MAC mac os x is based on bsd, but remember that its a ppc processor, so you will need the version of universe/unidata compiled for a ppc, or wait until os x is released on an intel platform. best regards from denmark Claus Derlien -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af Raymond DeGennaro II Sendt: 23. januar 2006 05:24 Til: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Cc: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org; Mark Johnson Emne: Re: [U2] U2 and MAC At 14:14 -0500 2006/01/21, Mark Johnson wrote: Isn't the underlying OS either Linux or Unix. That should be a start. In a nutshell, it's the best of FreeBSD, NetBSD and OpenBSD. Ray Frie Funktionfrer - faglig organisation og tvfrfaglig a-kasse - www.f-f.dk ** ** *** Denne email og alle filer vedlagt som bilag kan indeholde fortroligt materiale, der kun er beregnet for adressaten, og maa ikke udleveres eller kopieres til uvedkommende. Har De ved en fejltagelse modtaget denne email, bedes De venligst omgaaende meddele os dette pr. telefon : 6313 8550. Paa forhaand tak. ** ** *** This email and any files transmitted with it may contain confidential information intended for the addressee(s) only. The information is not to be surrendered or copied to unauthorised persons. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone: +45 6313 8550. Thank you. ** ** *** --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] U2 and MAC
Watch out for the flying animals!! Yup - even been running a bunch of TV ads touting the new relationship... Macs now contains Intel chips, and are running faster due to them. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Glen Batchelor Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 10:53 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] U2 and MAC Don't you mean OS-X as been available on Intel systems for 2 weeks? I find it impossible to believe that Apple would stoop down to Intel processor architecture, just to get more market share. If they DID, then I'm going to go outside and wait for the pink elephants and flying pigs(not to be confused with Pink Floyd). --- Glen Batchelor IT Director All-Spec Industries phone: (910) 332-0424 fax: (910) 763-5664 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- www.allspec.com --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] U2 and MAC
At 11:52 -0500 2006/01/23, Glen Batchelor wrote: Don't you mean OS-X as been available on Intel systems for 2 weeks? Nope. Apple's Intel-based Macs. I find it impossible to believe that Apple would stoop down to Intel processor architecture, They're using the new Core Duo (aka Yonah) series in the iMacs and PowerBooks. Others will follow over the next several years as Intel brings their newer chips online. just to get more market share. Actually, the explanation was that Intel had a better long term road map than IBM/FreeScale. FreeScale has had a really hard time meeting Apple's supply needs, the Power Architecture looks like it's going to be focussing in the cell direction and more on embedded solutions and the IBM/FreeScale partnership has missed several promised speed increases and still can't quite get the power consumption/heat output under control in the G5 series. Ray -- .=. | =-=-=-=-=-=-= Eagle Rock Information Systems Corp =-=-=-=-=-=-= | | -=-=-=-=-=-=- web and database business solutions -=-=-=-=-=-=- | | http://www.eriscorp.commailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | |Midwest Regional Office: 815-547-0662 (voice) 815-547-0353 (Fax)| .=. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] U2 and MAC
From www.apple.com: What's an Intel chip doing in a Mac? A whole lot more than it's ever done in a PC. Hth Colin -Original Message- From: Glen Batchelor Don't you mean OS-X as been available on Intel systems for 2 weeks? I find it impossible to believe that Apple would stoop down to Intel processor architecture, just to get more market share. If they DID, then I'm going to go outside and wait for the pink elephants and flying pigs(not to be confused with Pink Floyd). --- Glen Batchelor --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] U2 and MAC
P.S. Please send pictures ;-) -Original Message- From: Glen Batchelor Don't you mean OS-X as been available on Intel systems for 2 weeks? I find it impossible to believe that Apple would stoop down to Intel processor architecture, just to get more market share. If they DID, then I'm going to go outside and wait for the pink elephants and flying pigs(not to be confused with Pink Floyd). --- Glen Batchelor --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] U2 and MAC
At 11:13 -0600 2006/01/23, David Wolverton wrote: Macs now contains Intel chips, and are running faster due to them. Yes, but it's not quite that simple. The iMac went from a single-core 1.8 GHz G5 to a dual-core 1.8 or 2.0 GHz Core Duo and the 15 1.5 GHz G4 PowerBook more or less became the 1.67 or 1.8 GHz MacBook Pro with the same Intel Core Duo chip. The high-end desktops and servers, along with the Mini, iBook and the rest of the PowerBook line still use PPC's. It will be some time before the new Intel lines are up to replacing the dual core G5's. Ray -- .=. | =-=-=-=-=-=-= Eagle Rock Information Systems Corp =-=-=-=-=-=-= | | -=-=-=-=-=-=- web and database business solutions -=-=-=-=-=-=- | | http://www.eriscorp.commailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | |Midwest Regional Office: 815-547-0662 (voice) 815-547-0353 (Fax)| .=. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] U2 and MAC
Intel has been focusing on the mobile market the past 5 years, so I can sorta see why Apple would go with the new Centrino line. However; I'd be weary of paying Mac price for a Pentium workstation. The bandwidth and scalability, compared to AMD, just isn't comparable. --- Glen Batchelor IT Director All-Spec Industries phone: (910) 332-0424 fax: (910) 763-5664 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- www.allspec.com --- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-u2- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Raymond DeGennaro II Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 1:34 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Cc: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org; David Wolverton Subject: RE: [U2] U2 and MAC At 11:13 -0600 2006/01/23, David Wolverton wrote: Macs now contains Intel chips, and are running faster due to them. Yes, but it's not quite that simple. The iMac went from a single-core 1.8 GHz G5 to a dual-core 1.8 or 2.0 GHz Core Duo and the 15 1.5 GHz G4 PowerBook more or less became the 1.67 or 1.8 GHz MacBook Pro with the same Intel Core Duo chip. The high-end desktops and servers, along with the Mini, iBook and the rest of the PowerBook line still use PPC's. It will be some time before the new Intel lines are up to replacing the dual core G5's. Ray -- .=. | =-=-=-=-=-=-= Eagle Rock Information Systems Corp =-=-=-=-=-=-= | | -=-=-=-=-=-=- web and database business solutions -=-=-=-=-=-=- | | http://www.eriscorp.commailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | |Midwest Regional Office: 815-547-0662 (voice) 815-547-0353 (Fax)| .=. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] U2 and MAC
Not for nuthin' but what would be the purpose of putting UV/UD on a Mac. I see it as a technical challenge that can be accomplished but it doesn't seem that practical or worthwhile. Macs are traditionally 50% more expensive than equivilent PC, mano y mano, so what's the gain? I've owned many versions of both from Apple I II, Lisa, and IBM-PC, XT, Heathkits, S100's, TRS-80's to today's P4's and Powerbooks and have kept the two families apart for their own positive reasons. I use my Powerbooks G4's for video editing with Final Cut Pro and PC's for everything else. Just asking. Thanks - Original Message - From: Glen Batchelor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 11:52 AM Subject: RE: [U2] U2 and MAC Don't you mean OS-X as been available on Intel systems for 2 weeks? I find it impossible to believe that Apple would stoop down to Intel processor architecture, just to get more market share. If they DID, then I'm going to go outside and wait for the pink elephants and flying pigs(not to be confused with Pink Floyd). --- Glen Batchelor IT Director All-Spec Industries phone: (910) 332-0424 fax: (910) 763-5664 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- www.allspec.com --- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-u2- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Baakkonen, Rodney A (Rod) 46K Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 10:01 AM To: 'u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org' Subject: RE: [U2] U2 and MAC Macs have been Available on the Intel platform for about two weeks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Claus Derlien Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 3:37 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: SV: [U2] U2 and MAC mac os x is based on bsd, but remember that its a ppc processor, so you will need the version of universe/unidata compiled for a ppc, or wait until os x is released on an intel platform. best regards from denmark Claus Derlien -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af Raymond DeGennaro II Sendt: 23. januar 2006 05:24 Til: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Cc: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org; Mark Johnson Emne: Re: [U2] U2 and MAC At 14:14 -0500 2006/01/21, Mark Johnson wrote: Isn't the underlying OS either Linux or Unix. That should be a start. In a nutshell, it's the best of FreeBSD, NetBSD and OpenBSD. Ray Frie Funktionfrer - faglig organisation og tvfrfaglig a-kasse - www.f-f.dk ** ** *** Denne email og alle filer vedlagt som bilag kan indeholde fortroligt materiale, der kun er beregnet for adressaten, og maa ikke udleveres eller kopieres til uvedkommende. Har De ved en fejltagelse modtaget denne email, bedes De venligst omgaaende meddele os dette pr. telefon : 6313 8550. Paa forhaand tak. ** ** *** This email and any files transmitted with it may contain confidential information intended for the addressee(s) only. The information is not to be surrendered or copied to unauthorised persons. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone: +45 6313 8550. Thank you. ** ** *** --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] U2 and MAC
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Re: [U2] U2 and MAC
Isn't the underlying OS either Linux or Unix. That should be a start. - Original Message - From: Jerry Banker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 10:17 AM Subject: [U2] U2 and MAC Has there ever been a thought to put either of the U2 products on a Mac? With all of the recent news about Apple making a comeback I was wondering if there has ever been a thought to put a release on the MacOS. Jerry Banker --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] U2 and MAC
At 14:14 -0500 2006/01/21, Mark Johnson wrote: Isn't the underlying OS either Linux or Unix. That should be a start. In a nutshell, it's the best of FreeBSD, NetBSD and OpenBSD. Ray -- .=. | =-=-=-=-=-=-= Eagle Rock Information Systems Corp =-=-=-=-=-=-= | | -=-=-=-=-=-=- web and database business solutions -=-=-=-=-=-=- | | http://www.eriscorp.commailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | |Midwest Regional Office: 815-547-0662 (voice) 815-547-0353 (Fax)| .=. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] U2 and MAC
Jerry Banker wrote: Has there ever been a thought to put either of the U2 products on a Mac? With all of the recent news about Apple making a comeback I was wondering if there has ever been a thought to put a release on the MacOS. Jerry Banker --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ I asked IBM if they would port UniVerse to MAC OS X several months ago and the response was that there was no demand for a MAC implementation so they were not interested in doing one. I like the Apple Xserver and I have considered buying one of the new Intel based MAC client boxes. Ron White --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [SPAM] Re: [U2] U2 and MAC
I just ask them about a port to the Sun AMD boxes and got basically the same if there is a demand answer. And to IBM's credit, I believe if there was a demand they could (no question here) and would do the port. I guess what I am trying to say is I trust that they will do the right (subjective) thing. grs -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron White Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 10:35 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [SPAM] Re: [U2] U2 and MAC Importance: Low Jerry Banker wrote: Has there ever been a thought to put either of the U2 products on a Mac? With all of the recent news about Apple making a comeback I was wondering if there has ever been a thought to put a release on the MacOS. Jerry Banker --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ I asked IBM if they would port UniVerse to MAC OS X several months ago and the response was that there was no demand for a MAC implementation so they were not interested in doing one. I like the Apple Xserver and I have considered buying one of the new Intel based MAC client boxes. Ron White --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] U2 and MAC
At 09:17 -0600 2006/01/20, Jerry Banker wrote: Has there ever been a thought to put either of the U2 products on a Mac? With all of the recent news about Apple making a comeback I was wondering if there has ever been a thought to put a release on the MacOS. I've asked the folks at IBM several times: Around the times that the XServes started getting great reviews, when the Mac-based super computers started logging huge numbers, when Oracle and Sybase made their announcements about Mac versions, when IBM was running a survey about porting DB2 to OS X. Each time I received something to the effect of: You write a business case, and we'll consider it.. It's interesting that I've never received the There's no demand. reply. That said, I still feel that anybody and everybody that would like to see one of the U2 products running on an Apple's XServe/XSAN (both of which have very favorable price/performance and performance/power requirements), drop the folks at [EMAIL PROTECTED] a note. Wally Terhune and Tim Snyder also post to this list, but I don't know if dropping them a note would be helpful or merely annoying. Alternatively, maybe there's enough Mac Folks on the list to put together a business case as a group. Ray -- .=. | =-=-=-=-=-=-= Eagle Rock Information Systems Corp =-=-=-=-=-=-= | | -=-=-=-=-=-=- web and database business solutions -=-=-=-=-=-=- | | http://www.eriscorp.commailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | |Midwest Regional Office: 815-547-0662 (voice) 815-547-0353 (Fax)| .=. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [SPAM] Re: [U2] U2 and MAC
At 11:01 -0600 2006/01/20, George Smith wrote: And to IBM's credit, I believe if there was a demand they could (no question here) and would do the port. I think that's the crux. First you've got a DBMS that a small percentage of people are running and a lot of potential users write if off without properly considering it due to misconceptions and then you've got an OS that a small percentage of people are running and a lot of potential users write if off without properly considering it due to misconceptions. It's a major double whammy. I've also spoken to the folks at jBase about a port, and they gave basically the same Show us a business case. response. The real interesting difference was that (at that time) they weren't really interested in selling the database as a product, but selling the license for somebody else to resell as part of their vertical application. If somebody's got something in the works, that might be the tack to take with IBM. Ray -- .=. | =-=-=-=-=-=-= Eagle Rock Information Systems Corp =-=-=-=-=-=-= | | -=-=-=-=-=-=- web and database business solutions -=-=-=-=-=-=- | | http://www.eriscorp.commailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | |Midwest Regional Office: 815-547-0662 (voice) 815-547-0353 (Fax)| .=. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/