Re: Phantom trail
Yes, the archives will be continue past the cutover. David: Try the archive search beginning Monday (EDT) for those recent items. Lee On Fri, 30 Apr 2004, Scott Richardson wrote: You should be able to search the archives as well, as George's reposting part of that thread, David. Will the archives also continue to be online as the cutover to U2U happens? -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: Productivity metrics
I've worked with the function point methods for some time and I don't think MV BASIC has been mapped. You could check with Dave Garmus, who is a central figure in FP (Google him, he comes up near the front). In order to do it you need to run some statistics against a number of carefully selected projects that have application function point counts and their source code. That hopefully will average out all the implementation variations. The other thing to do is try to interpolate using existing, measured langauges. Indeed it might be fair to say MV BASIC is more COBOL-like in productivity than traditional Dartmouth BASIC. Both have known LOC/FP ratios. A more careful assessment of where our BASIC lies relative to other languages would probably come up with a reasonably close ratio value. Lee On Wed, 14 Apr 2004, Bob Dubery wrote: Hi all, IBM initiated a metric called Function Points that attempts to provide a means for measuring programming tools by the amount of code that has to be written in order to produce a program of a certain complexity. There have been several studies by which programming languages have been ranked in terms of lines of code (LOC) per function point (FP) Smalltalk, for example, is reckoned to have a ratio of 20 LOC per FP. Java and C++ come in around the 50 mark. Is anybody aware of studies that have applied this kind of scoring to the BASIC used in MV databases, or any other study that seeks to rank programming languages in terms of programmer producivity and that includes MV BASIC? Thanks Bob -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Lee J. Leitner, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.leitner.org/~leitnerl The world can only be grasped by action, not by contemplation. The hand is the cutting edge of the mind. -- Jacob Bronowski V.13.0 --- -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: The lists are closing
The archives for the lists (which go back to the mid-90's) would remain for now at http://www.indexinfocus.com. But I don't yet see a way to go forward on our site archiving the IBM web content so they'd be static. We do plan real soon now to add other content. Is there a general opinion that the email lists should continue? How can we avoid then having two separate, disconnected places for information -- the list and the U2UG forums? At this point in the lifecycle of the U2 products, the user group is very, very important. We need to make sure there are lots of squeaking wheels in the discussion threads. I ask this because we are looking at the technical issues of rehosting the lists here. But I agree with Clif in his reasons for shutting them down. Lee On Mon, 29 Mar 2004, David Wolverton wrote: I have a simple-minded idea that may increase the value of the U2UG website and prevent us from loosing the huge amount of already accumulated knowledge that resides in this list. Would it be possible to transfer the posts to the list tothe website? I know that there may be some legal wrangling and space considerations to deal with but I for one wouldhate to loose the knowledge that has been generated by this list. Glad you asked that - I was thinking the same thing - or wondering where the archives would be held! -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Lee J. Leitner, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.leitner.org/~leitnerl The world can only be grasped by action, not by contemplation. The hand is the cutting edge of the mind. -- Jacob Bronowski V.13.0 --- -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: The lists are closing
Proof of seek and ye shall find. Thanks I have the www.indexinfocus.com archiver hooked up to it so it will archive the technical content. I am sure the site has archiving ability, but if you want the whole she-bang back to the heady-90's we have here. www.indexinfocus.com will include the u2 list content and the technical groups content from u2ug.org Lee On Mon, 29 Mar 2004, Eppel,Gary wrote: I just tested the subscribe button on the Universe Forum and I am definitely receiving new posts as email. Unfortunately, to reply to the posting you have to do so on the webpage (there is a link provided in the email) :-( So it's half-way there in terms of the comments/wishes I've seen so far in this discussion. Would be nice if we could reply directly to the forum using a normal email reply. Gary Eppel Cerner Corp. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wendy Smoak Posted At: Monday, March 29, 2004 11:23 AM Posted To: Informix-mv Conversation: The lists are closing Subject: RE: The lists are closing Lee Leitner wrote: The archives for the lists (which go back to the mid-90's) would remain for now at http://www.indexinfocus.com. Is there a general opinion that the email lists should continue? How can we avoid then having two separate, disconnected places for information -- the list and the U2UG forums? For me it has to be email or newsgroup. I will not be as active in a forum that requires using a web browser as I will in an email list or newgroup. However, it looks like you can subscribe to the forums on u2ug.org, which I hope means that forum postings will arrive via email. If that's true, then if you have only email access at work, you should still be able to participate once you join and subscribe. Thanks, Clif, for hosting these lists. Without them, I never would have gotten all of my UniObjects for Java stuff working, nor been able to help so many other people get started. -- Wendy Smoak Application Systems Analyst, Sr. ASU IA Information Resources Management -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This message and any included attachments are from Cerner Corporation and are intended only for the addressee. The information contained in this message is confidential and may constitute inside or non-public information under international, federal, or state securities laws. Unauthorized forwarding, printing, copying, distribution, or use of such information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you are not the addressee, please promptly delete this message and notify the sender of the delivery error by e-mail or you may call Cerner's corporate offices in Kansas City, Missouri, U.S.A at (+1) (816)221-1024. -- -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Lee J. Leitner, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.leitner.org/~leitnerl The world can only be grasped by action, not by contemplation. The hand is the cutting edge of the mind. -- Jacob Bronowski V.13.0 --- -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: u2 maintenance agreements
Ditto for us, but it started back in 2002. We have tried to maintain four maintenance contracts with IBM and it has been an absolute mess dealing with them. Failure to invoice, failure to record our payments correctly, inability to resolve the contract problems, promises to look into it and then no reply and more. Towards the end of 2003 after spending a huge amount of time and making absolutely no progress with them, I gave up trying to get it resolved and just walked away. When the amnesty program was announced I had no desire to head back into that mess again and ignored it. From my perspective, IBM is just letting the U2 maintenance business disintegrate. Lee On Wed, 3 Mar 2004, Ron White wrote: I have just encountered the same problem. IBM never sent a maintenance invoice and then complained when I tried to access support. I think it is very bad business practice to not bill your customer and then charge a penalty for letting your maintenance lapse. Ron White - Original Message - From: Richard A. Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 4:52 AM Subject: u2 maintenance agreements Just a quick note that you may want to confirm your agreements are up to date. Just the other day I was attempting to access some webpages at ibm that required customer # etc and found out that our agreements were not current. This could have to do with not receiving an invoice in 2003. I'm not totally sure all of the vmark/ardent/informix records have totally migrated. I'm off now to confirm all clients received/paid for maintenance back in 2003 Rich -- Richard A. Wilson Lakeside Systems Smithfield, RI, USA Voice 401-231-3959 Fax 401-231-3943 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.lakeside-systems.com -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users --- [ Eckel certifies this E-mail to be virus free. ] --- [ Eckel certifies this E-mail to be virus free. ] -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Lee J. Leitner, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.leitner.org/~leitnerl The world can only be grasped by action, not by contemplation. The hand is the cutting edge of the mind. -- Jacob Bronowski V.13.0 --- -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: UV command failing mystery
Vance: Is echo $? returning anything meaningful after uvsh fails? Lee -- Lee J. Leitner, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.leitner.org/~leitnerl The world can only be grasped by action, not by contemplation. The hand is the cutting edge of the mind. -- Jacob Bronowski V.13.0 --- -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
