Accessibility Meeting
Hi, I would dearly like to be involved in the meeting if it comes together. I work with disabled and have been trying to look for a linux type version of "EZ Keys" which uses a single switch to access the computer. I programme a little and pick up quite fast and would be willing to be involved in the project but would need advice on where to start etc. I would be free 11th, 12th, 17th, Between 11-2 on 13th, between 10-3:30 on 14th, between 9-12:30 on 15th. Any reply would be appreciated, even if you say it is not what the meetings for, just so I know. Many thanks. Glen Darby. -- Brixham Activity Services e: glen.m.da...@virgin.net e: hayley.da...@virgin.net T: 01803 883799 w: brixhamactivityservices.co.uk -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
upgrading ubuntu
i think i am going to have to wwait until there is a bit more of a stable lucid or until final release and just do a fresh install of ubuntu. as i don't have the technical knowledge to be able to install speakup i don't know if an upgrade would be easier via a text terminal and i have not had any luck creating the file to be able to get accessible admin as regards the gui and i don't always have a sighted person around to be able to at least see if an upgrade is actually working. i remember once trying to do an upgrade where my local linux group used to hold meetings which i don't think has happened for a while because the main people have moved areas to leeds and the like and it would have taken to long to upgrade anyway but when i had someone look at what i was doing, they seemmed to think that the upgrade had not started when i went through the alt plus f2 update-manager dash d because when i had entered on ok, i seemed to have to tab to another upgrade button without speech access, hit enter on it and possibly had to re-type my password. it is like the interface for update-manager is slightly different with upgrading from that of updating where if you just do a standard up-date, you can tab around and get orca feedback to say that you have updates and when you hit the install and are maybe asked for the password, away it goes and downloads them whereas with the upgrade, you see that the upgrade is there if you run the update-manager from alt f2 with the dash d command at the end, it shows you the upgrade notes, you hit the upgrade button, you enter the password and ok it and i think to someone with sight you have to locate the upgrade button again which someone without sight can't access because i think a dialogue box pops up with buttons for check for updates, upgrade, and cancel and you have to go to the correct button and enter on the upgrade and possibly re-type admin password, ok and then it starts. i think that is what confuses people without sight like it is a double confirmation, when you see the notes about the new release you can accept and it is like it brings up another dialogue box after you first ok your password like "are you sure you want to do this." i think i only found this out because the chap who was trying to help me said the upgrade hadn't started even though i had chosen the upgrade button, entered my password and hit ok. i think if i knew perhaps the number of tabbs when i have to get to the upgrade button in the dialogue box where orca doesn't appear to read i could possibly do it but without a family who are not linux users and with me not having a sighted partner or any sighted family member around looking at the pc or laptop screens for me i am only guessing there is this second dialogue appears before the actual upgrade is actually started. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Reviving the Accessibility Team - meeting?
Hiya, I've been looking around on what there is for the Accessibility Team on the wiki and reading e-mails, along with chatting with Luke on IRC (in #ubuntu-accessibility) and it strikes me that we need to create a solid Accessibility Team in the community. Not only will doing so help future new-users (or existing users who develop a disability), but a cohesive team means a stronger voice in the Ubuntu community as a whole. I'd like to propose having a meeting sometime the week of April 11-17 in #ubuntu-accessibility on freenode on IRC to come up with some foundation for getting the Accessibility Team going. If there are issues with doing a meeting on IRC not being accessible, feel free to suggest other places for the meeting. If you're interested in having a meeting, please send the list or me an e-mail with the days/times that week you're available and I'll try to find a time that works for the most people. I think in this meeting we should discuss putting together a blueprint for things we want to and think we can get done during the Lucid+1 cycle. I also think it might be nice to start to look at a roadmap and goals for the team in a long term. I'm going to send a separate e-mail to the list (not tonight, but later this week) with some of my ideas for things we could do and I hope other people will think about it as well so we can get some discussion going! Thanks! Penelope -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: firefox 3.6 under lucid
Hi Luke, A slightly different twist. Those who wish to add the daily build from mozzila are welcome to do so. If, perhaps, mozilla took a bit more care over accessibility issues being caused by their releases, the Ubuntu team wouldn't have to 'wipe their bottoms for them' and you wouldn't have to listen to "The last Firefox release broke accessibility". The Ubuntu team have a lot of things to focus on, the Firefox team at Mozilla have only Firefox to worry about. Just my $0.02 Keep up the good work. Regards, Phill. On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 11:25 PM, Luke Yelavich wrote: > On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 09:08:35AM EST, Jacob Schmude wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Look, I don't mean to offend, but you do realize what things like this > > do to the impression of Ubuntu's accessibility and the commitment the > > Ubuntu team supposedly has to it? They're not even willing to take steps > > to fix Firefox for accessibility. The web browser, a core program we > *need*. > > May I suggest that if anyone wants to push Canonical to focus on more > accessibility, then you need to tell them. I can only do so much, and as > part of my job, I do as much as I damn well can. > > Please also bare in mind there is a development process to follow, and > especially for a long term support release, we need to be very clear cut > about when we stop accepting new upstream versions of a package. Because my > duties are not all working on accessibility, I can only do so much to try > and get things to the latest version, and even I miss things from time to > time, particularly if they are only mentioned on a mailing list. > > I am happy to go through with people, to explain how the development > release process works, but you have to realise there is a lot more at stake > than just accessibility when updating big packages, particularly this late > in the release. > > I would love to work on accessibility more than I do now, however I have > other important duties, and I think the only way things can change is if the > people who care about accessibility other than myself, make it known to > Canonical that they feel accessibility is important. > > Oh and no offence taken. > > Luke > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: firefox 3.6 under lucid
On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 09:08:35AM EST, Jacob Schmude wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Look, I don't mean to offend, but you do realize what things like this > do to the impression of Ubuntu's accessibility and the commitment the > Ubuntu team supposedly has to it? They're not even willing to take steps > to fix Firefox for accessibility. The web browser, a core program we *need*. May I suggest that if anyone wants to push Canonical to focus on more accessibility, then you need to tell them. I can only do so much, and as part of my job, I do as much as I damn well can. Please also bare in mind there is a development process to follow, and especially for a long term support release, we need to be very clear cut about when we stop accepting new upstream versions of a package. Because my duties are not all working on accessibility, I can only do so much to try and get things to the latest version, and even I miss things from time to time, particularly if they are only mentioned on a mailing list. I am happy to go through with people, to explain how the development release process works, but you have to realise there is a lot more at stake than just accessibility when updating big packages, particularly this late in the release. I would love to work on accessibility more than I do now, however I have other important duties, and I think the only way things can change is if the people who care about accessibility other than myself, make it known to Canonical that they feel accessibility is important. Oh and no offence taken. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: firefox 3.6 under lucid
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Look, I don't mean to offend, but you do realize what things like this do to the impression of Ubuntu's accessibility and the commitment the Ubuntu team supposedly has to it? They're not even willing to take steps to fix Firefox for accessibility. The web browser, a core program we *need*. On 03/31/2010 06:04 PM, Luke Yelavich wrote: > On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 03:13:03AM EST, Jacob Schmude wrote: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Hi >> Does Lucid not have the absolute latest Firefox 3.6.2? I've been using >> it on Karmic for a week or so now and actually prefer it to 3.5 due to >> some serious speed improvements. I remember seeing that bookmarks >> weren't accessible in 3.6 either, but so far I've honestly not come >> across it. The bookmarks menu, sidebar, and organize dialogs all work >> fine for me. Note that there was a small, approx 700k, update to 3.6.2 >> that seemed to resolve these problems. Perhaps Lucid isn't as updated as >> it should be? > > Probably not, and likely won't be. Firefox is a complex beast, and since its > tightly integrated into the desktop, its a big process to update, so much so > that we have a dedicated firefox maintainer on the desktop team. Since we are > coming up to our second beta release, there is little to no chance that the > latest firefox 3.6 updates will get in, at least before final release. New > minor upstream releases of 3.6 may get in post release however, so keep a > look out. > > Luke > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkuzx+MACgkQybLrVJs+Wi6x2QCggc6ZzTuWrsxHeaIX4YLnMtwu 4EwAmgLoiJeOOXzXewCgqsxar+XT/WeF =W6+T -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: firefox 3.6 under lucid
On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 03:13:03AM EST, Jacob Schmude wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi > Does Lucid not have the absolute latest Firefox 3.6.2? I've been using > it on Karmic for a week or so now and actually prefer it to 3.5 due to > some serious speed improvements. I remember seeing that bookmarks > weren't accessible in 3.6 either, but so far I've honestly not come > across it. The bookmarks menu, sidebar, and organize dialogs all work > fine for me. Note that there was a small, approx 700k, update to 3.6.2 > that seemed to resolve these problems. Perhaps Lucid isn't as updated as > it should be? Probably not, and likely won't be. Firefox is a complex beast, and since its tightly integrated into the desktop, its a big process to update, so much so that we have a dedicated firefox maintainer on the desktop team. Since we are coming up to our second beta release, there is little to no chance that the latest firefox 3.6 updates will get in, at least before final release. New minor upstream releases of 3.6 may get in post release however, so keep a look out. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: firefox 3.6 under lucid
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ok, that explains it. That's not the latest gecko revision, the latest is 1.9.2.2. My Firefox 3.6.2 revision reads as follows (note I'm using the Mozilla binary): Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.2) Gecko/20100316 Firefox/3.6.2 Sounds like Lucid's Firefox packages need updating. On 03/31/2010 12:44 PM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote: > Hi, > I am running the following version: > Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2) Gecko/20100308 > Ubuntu/10.04 (lucid) Firefox/3.6 > > > On 03/31/2010 01:13 PM, Jacob Schmude wrote: > Hi > Does Lucid not have the absolute latest Firefox 3.6.2? I've been using > it on Karmic for a week or so now and actually prefer it to 3.5 due to > some serious speed improvements. I remember seeing that bookmarks > weren't accessible in 3.6 either, but so far I've honestly not come > across it. The bookmarks menu, sidebar, and organize dialogs all work > fine for me. Note that there was a small, approx 700k, update to 3.6.2 > that seemed to resolve these problems. Perhaps Lucid isn't as updated as > it should be? > That being said, for Firefox 3.5 you can download a Mozilla binary for > i386 from: > ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases > They don't have compiled binaries for 64-bit though and I have no idea > why. If you're using 64-bit Linux you'll have to compile it yourself or > else find an unofficial compiled version. > > hth > > > On 03/31/2010 10:41 AM, Jos? Vilmar Est?cio de Souza wrote: > Hi all, I'd like to use the 3.5 version of firefox at ubuntu 10.04 instead of version 3.6. In my opinion the accessibility with version 3.6 is not very good. What can I do? Thanks. >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkuzmbgACgkQybLrVJs+Wi7eKgCggLAyzoiQN/jiuOsbfAaEIO/5 wCQAnijBxhfoqSvbBsNV8/zBbirrfMif =YguK -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: firefox 3.6 under lucid
Hi, I am running the following version: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2) Gecko/20100308 Ubuntu/10.04 (lucid) Firefox/3.6 On 03/31/2010 01:13 PM, Jacob Schmude wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi > Does Lucid not have the absolute latest Firefox 3.6.2? I've been using > it on Karmic for a week or so now and actually prefer it to 3.5 due to > some serious speed improvements. I remember seeing that bookmarks > weren't accessible in 3.6 either, but so far I've honestly not come > across it. The bookmarks menu, sidebar, and organize dialogs all work > fine for me. Note that there was a small, approx 700k, update to 3.6.2 > that seemed to resolve these problems. Perhaps Lucid isn't as updated as > it should be? > That being said, for Firefox 3.5 you can download a Mozilla binary for > i386 from: > ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases > They don't have compiled binaries for 64-bit though and I have no idea > why. If you're using 64-bit Linux you'll have to compile it yourself or > else find an unofficial compiled version. > > hth > > > On 03/31/2010 10:41 AM, Jos? Vilmar Est?cio de Souza wrote: > >> Hi all, >> I'd like to use the 3.5 version of firefox at ubuntu 10.04 instead of >> version 3.6. >> In my opinion the accessibility with version 3.6 is not very good. >> What can I do? >> Thanks. >> >> >> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ > > iEYEARECAAYFAkuzdI4ACgkQybLrVJs+Wi4rcgCeP8eCTZAxTAE77fCJRnvesQLn > y0MAnRgWSmvo6uJByVr650g+D/t0Rq2x > =sRIJ > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: firefox 3.6 under lucid
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Does Lucid not have the absolute latest Firefox 3.6.2? I've been using it on Karmic for a week or so now and actually prefer it to 3.5 due to some serious speed improvements. I remember seeing that bookmarks weren't accessible in 3.6 either, but so far I've honestly not come across it. The bookmarks menu, sidebar, and organize dialogs all work fine for me. Note that there was a small, approx 700k, update to 3.6.2 that seemed to resolve these problems. Perhaps Lucid isn't as updated as it should be? That being said, for Firefox 3.5 you can download a Mozilla binary for i386 from: ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases They don't have compiled binaries for 64-bit though and I have no idea why. If you're using 64-bit Linux you'll have to compile it yourself or else find an unofficial compiled version. hth On 03/31/2010 10:41 AM, Jos? Vilmar Est?cio de Souza wrote: > Hi all, > I'd like to use the 3.5 version of firefox at ubuntu 10.04 instead of > version 3.6. > In my opinion the accessibility with version 3.6 is not very good. > What can I do? > Thanks. > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkuzdI4ACgkQybLrVJs+Wi4rcgCeP8eCTZAxTAE77fCJRnvesQLn y0MAnRgWSmvo6uJByVr650g+D/t0Rq2x =sRIJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: firefox 3.6 under lucid
Jose, I absolute agree your letter. For example, try ubuntuzilla package (not part with Ubuntu repository). The possible download links is following: http://ubuntuzilla.com/ http://sourceforge.net/projects/ubuntuzilla/files/ubuntuzilla/4.4.3/ I think Ubuntuzilla supports switch you another firefox versions, but I don't no support oldest version switch. Luke, Not possible do choose way in 10.04 with Firefox 3.6 and oldest good work Firefox-3.5.8 version? In 3.5.8 version accessibility support is better with 3.6 version. Attila -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
firefox 3.6 under lucid
Hi all, I'd like to use the 3.5 version of firefox at ubuntu 10.04 instead of version 3.6. In my opinion the accessibility with version 3.6 is not very good. What can I do? Thanks. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
