Onboard in oneiric needs testing.

2011-10-17 Thread Luke Yelavich
Hi folks,
There has been some work recently done on onboard, which unfortunately did not 
make the final release. However, the Ubuntu release team was kind enough to 
allow a possible new upstream candidate with many bug fixes to be uploaded to 
the oneiric-proposed release pocket of Oneiric. This means that the onboard 
package can be tested, and if testing is satisfactory, and no important 
regressions or other bugs are found, then the new upstrea version of onboard 
will be released into oneiric-updates.

For this to happen, the package needs some testing from you, the users. Here is 
what you need to do to get the package for testing.
1. Make sure you are using oneiric. This package of onboard will not be made 
available for any other Ubuntu release.
2. Read these instructions carefully: 
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EnableProposed
3. Install the version of onboard from oneoric-proposed, and test.
4. Once you have done some testing, plesae leave feedback here: 
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/872374

The more people that test, the better the test results will be, and the higher 
the likelyhood of the onboard update being available for the general public.

Thanks for your time and consideration.

Luke

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Re: Oneiric accessibility: install, Unity, and Unity 2D

2011-10-17 Thread Mackenzie Morgan
On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Bill Cox  wrote:
> A non-starter for me is that Unity doesn't work with Compiz, and I
> require it's inverse video and magnification capabilities.  So, I've
> switched to Ubuntu 2D, which I believe was built using QT.  Compiz
> works great, but Orca doesn't see the Unity desktop.

Are you just referring to the part where Compiz doesn't zoom the Unity
dock itself (but does operate on the rest of the screen while using
Unity), or are you saying you can't use inverse or zoom at all while
using Unity? I'm a little confused because Unity requires Compiz so
isn't incompatible with it.

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Oneiric accessibility: install, Unity, and Unity 2D

2011-10-17 Thread Bill Cox
I'm in the process of installing Ubuntu Oneiric 11.10.  Here's my
first impressions.  The install needs a bit of work, but  when Orca is
enabled on boot using the magic key sequence, it seems basically
usable.  I had a crash related to Orca I think, though I was poking
around the desktop with my mouse during the install.

Orca still has issues with Unity, though I didn't explore much of it.
The same bug that I saw in Maverick where the caps lock key toggles on
every Orca command is still there.  By itself, I suspect Unity could
be fully accessible by the 12.04 release.  There's a big decision for
Vinux: whether to try and use Gnome 3 in the future, or Unity.  I have
a slight preference for Unity, but I have a small screen and need
large fonts and/or magnification, so Unity's netbook optimized layout
is particularly good for me.  I also suspect we could work easily with
the Ubuntu team to enhance accessibility.

A non-starter for me is that Unity doesn't work with Compiz, and I
require it's inverse video and magnification capabilities.  So, I've
switched to Ubuntu 2D, which I believe was built using QT.  Compiz
works great, but Orca doesn't see the Unity desktop.  So, I'm not sure
what to recommend the Vinux community.  Options on the table, I think,
are Gnome shell 3.0, Unity 2D and the default Unity.  I hear Gnome
shell 3.0 is also incompatible with Compiz.  Anyone have any opinions
on the right way to build Vinux 4.0?

Bill

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Re: updated at-spi 2 packages in Natty

2011-10-17 Thread Luke Yelavich
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 04:13:23AM EST, Alex Midence wrote:
> Hi, all,
> 
> I wanted to know if there were any plans to get a more up to date
> version of at-spi 2 working in Natty?  It's still using 2.0.2 or
> something like that and at-spi2 is at 2.2.0 if not 2.2.1 by now.

Since Natty is already released, it will only receive important bug fixes and 
security updates, so now, at-spi2 in natty will stay as is, unless a critical 
bug is discovered that needs fixing, the case for which would have to be grave, 
since at-spi2 is not installed by default in Natty.

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How to access Adobe flash player setting panel like a totally blind user in Linux?

2011-10-17 Thread Mgr. Janusz Chmiel

Dear advanced users and developers,
I Am helpless during access The function in The following Adobe 
interactive WEB page.

http://www.macromedia.com/support/documentation/en/flashplayer/help/settings_manager03.html
Thank's to it, i can not enable Adobe flash player to use my microphone 
or camera on The special Flash player based WEB sites.
I would like to valuably plese somebdy of You, how complex would be to 
find, on which data file Flash player stores The settings? Would 
somebody of Zou try to analyse gconf database or file system structure 
to find The Flash player settings?
Orca is able to automatically announce ARIA live regions messages and 
many video WEB cam based sites are also containing chat messages and 
Flash player is needed to use those sites.
It would be ammazing programmers project, write GTK accessible Adobe 
flash player control panel.
I will contact Adobe company because of this big issue. Because this 
module is awailable for Windows but not for Linux and i Am very sad 
because of it.



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Emacspeak 34 package

2011-10-17 Thread Alex Midence
Hi, all,

I was taking a gander through Synaptic on my Natty installation the
other day and noticed that the repositories still have an Emacspeak
package from emacspeak 29 which is several years old.  We are now at
Emacspeak 34 and there have been quite a few enhancements and
additions since then.  Personally, I installed it from source but
thought I'd report this situation in case it hadn't been caught yet.
Not everyone is comfortable installing emacspeak from source.

Thanks.
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updated at-spi 2 packages in Natty

2011-10-17 Thread Alex Midence
Hi, all,

I wanted to know if there were any plans to get a more up to date
version of at-spi 2 working in Natty?  It's still using 2.0.2 or
something like that and at-spi2 is at 2.2.0 if not 2.2.1 by now.  I've
seen quite a few at-spi update messages in the last few months
containing all sorts of fixes and things from upstream but nothing
seems to have changed in the ppa for Ubuntu.  There a reason for this?

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Re: Initial impressions of 11.10

2011-10-17 Thread Piñeiro
This is odd, as I made a test of that ppa before announcing it, and I
was able to use Orca to interact with unity and the panel. Probably it
worked due some kind of development stuff on my laptop. I will check it
for the next update.

Thanks for the feedback.

BR

On 10/16/2011 06:04 AM, Nolan Darilek wrote:
> Oh, and something else I noticed just now that's probably worth
> mentioning:
>
> I installed Unity from the accessibility PPA. Before doing that, I'm
> pretty sure the extra, non-app menu items in the bar spoke (I.e. for
> wireless/network control, sound, etc.) Now after upgrading they no
> longer speak. This seems like it might be a regression in the a11y PPA.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> On 10/15/2011 10:46 PM, Nolan Darilek wrote:
>> Just slapped this onto an old netbook I'm trying to revive. Here are
>> my initial impressions.
>>
>> I love the new way to run accessibility on the live CD. Great! I just
>> wish it also worked from the instance that gets run when you choose
>> to try without installing. Running manually works, but consistency
>> would rule.
>>
>> Had some issues with the install, but those weren't accessibility
>> related.
>>
>> My new installation didn't come up talking. I had to run Orca
>> manually, enable accessibility and log back out and in. My
>> expectation was that it'd come up talking as soon as I logged in.
>>
>> Along similar lines, Orca doesn't run automatically. I have to start
>> it manually. This despite my impression that the screen reader toggle
>> in the accessibility settings screen is enabled. I can't seem to find
>> a "Run Orca on startup" option in Orca's preferences anymore.
>>
>> Unity seems quite keyboard accessible. Going to need time to get used
>> to the many new commands.
>>
>> My timezone is incorrect and I can't figure out how to reset it. In
>> Time and Date I see a text area containing the location New York, but
>> I can't figure a way to set this to anything local to me. I tried
>> entering "Chicago" since that's usually the timezone I choose, but
>> that doesn't seem to take.
>>
>> Lots of widgets seem to be misrepresented as checkboxes. In
>> particular, many menu items appear this way.
>>
>> I'm not clear on how to navigate some of the panels in Unity 2D.
>> They're also said to be inaccessible even though I did get some
>> feedback from Orca at one point.
>>
>> All notifications speak "Notification: notify-osd". I have to look at
>> .cache/notify-osd.log to see what I missed.
>>
>> While this is a long list of negatives, I'm quite impressed at how
>> accessible things are after such a major change. I probably won't put
>> 11.10 on my main machine for now, but I'm enjoying playing with it on
>> the netbook.
>>
>
>


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Re: speakup under oneiric

2011-10-17 Thread Samuel Thibault
Jude DaShiell, le Mon 17 Oct 2011 01:29:32 -0400, a écrit :
> speechd-up and speakup do not play nicely together.  One or the other is 
> possible but not both.On Mon, 17 Oct 2011, mk360 wrote:

You mean speechd-up and espeakup, I guess.

Samuel

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