Re: force session to unity 2d?
Hmm, not exactly my definition of accessible... I don't get any drums on my machine either. Did you switch to gdm? I haven't done that yet. On 10/21/2011 21:12, Scott Berry wrote: Hi Jacob, I don't think there is an accessible way however it's pretty easy to remember. When you get to the drums if you have them like I use Gnome so I get them and then hit enter your on password do a Control Plus Alt Escape and you can then change it there but sighted assistance is needed as far as I know. On 10/21/2011 02:05 PM, Jacob Schmude wrote: Hi all I'm not sure how or why, but my default login session has been set to unity rather than unity 2d. Anyone know how to set it back? I've tried editing lightdm.conf to point to the ubuntu-2d session, but it seems to be completely ignoring that. I need to get this set back, since now the dash doesn't speak. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: A few hints requested?
Hi Dave So far as I can tell, the apps list in software center doesn't read although the rest of the program does. You're getting further with Skype than I--I'm able to enter my login credentials in the GUI just fine but, regular as clockwork, the instant Skype tries to sign in it crashes. Running it from the terminal to see exactly what's happening gives me the extremely unhelpful message "Aborted" and nothing else. And I thought Windows' error messages were vague. On 10/21/2011 15:08, Dave Hunt wrote: Hi, I'm running an out-of-the-box installation of 11.10 on my Asus 1015PE netbook. I'm trying to use the Software Center tool with Orca. When I search for applications in a category, how can I get Orca to read the names of the apps resulting from my search? I'd use Synaptic, but it throws a bunch of errors about missing themes in pixmaps. Also, I notice that the Skype gui is somewhat accessible, but cannot seem to set options or enter login credentials. Any ideas? If I run Skype from a terminal and use the 'pipelogin' option to pass my credentials, Skype throws errors about pixmaps stuff missing. When I used apt-get to install Skype and Synaptic, there were no errors regarding missing or broken dependencies. Thanks for any help, Dave Hunt I tweet as wx1gdave -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
A few hints requested?
Hi, I'm running an out-of-the-box installation of 11.10 on my Asus 1015PE netbook. I'm trying to use the Software Center tool with Orca. When I search for applications in a category, how can I get Orca to read the names of the apps resulting from my search? I'd use Synaptic, but it throws a bunch of errors about missing themes in pixmaps. Also, I notice that the Skype gui is somewhat accessible, but cannot seem to set options or enter login credentials. Any ideas? If I run Skype from a terminal and use the 'pipelogin' option to pass my credentials, Skype throws errors about pixmaps stuff missing. When I used apt-get to install Skype and Synaptic, there were no errors regarding missing or broken dependencies. Thanks for any help, Dave Hunt I tweet as wx1gdave -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: force session to unity 2d?
Hi No luck. I added the PPA, but apt-get tells me that there are no packages to be upgraded even after doing apt-get update. On 10/21/2011 12:23, Guy Schlosser wrote: Hey there Jacob, did you install the unity-extra-a11y ppa? If not, go to terminal, then type sudo add-apt-repository ppa:apinheiro/unity-extra-a11y and press enter. Once done, apt-get update and dist-upgrade as normal. After reboot, the dash should speak in Unity 3d. I'm not sure how to force the session back to unity2d, but that should get you a working dash until you figure it oug. I hope that helps, and let me know of any questions. Guy On 10/21/2011 02:05 PM, Jacob Schmude wrote: Hi all I'm not sure how or why, but my default login session has been set to unity rather than unity 2d. Anyone know how to set it back? I've tried editing lightdm.conf to point to the ubuntu-2d session, but it seems to be completely ignoring that. I need to get this set back, since now the dash doesn't speak. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: force session to unity 2d?
Hey there Jacob, did you install the unity-extra-a11y ppa? If not, go to terminal, then type sudo add-apt-repository ppa:apinheiro/unity-extra-a11y and press enter. Once done, apt-get update and dist-upgrade as normal. After reboot, the dash should speak in Unity 3d. I'm not sure how to force the session back to unity2d, but that should get you a working dash until you figure it oug. I hope that helps, and let me know of any questions. Guy On 10/21/2011 02:05 PM, Jacob Schmude wrote: Hi all I'm not sure how or why, but my default login session has been set to unity rather than unity 2d. Anyone know how to set it back? I've tried editing lightdm.conf to point to the ubuntu-2d session, but it seems to be completely ignoring that. I need to get this set back, since now the dash doesn't speak. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Updates of at-spi2, mousetweaks, and Orca in oneiric-proposed, please help with testing.
Interestingly enough using Gnome Classic with no effects I get the segfault showing in the logs but no crash report is generated. I have had a colleague help me switch back to unity 2d and things are more or less working again but we will see what happens as I start using applications. I to would like to be able to switch desktop managers without sighted help if someone knows how that can be done. Tom On Fri, 21 Oct 2011, Mackenzie Morgan wrote: On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Tom Masterson wrote: Hi Luke I get an at-spi-registry segfault as soon as I log in to the computer under xwindows. Seems to happen in gnome classic on this computer more that unity but in unity I get unity segfaults. They appear to be happening in libgcong-2. What do I need to do to track this down or get a meningful report to the appropriate team. I of course can't guarantee that something is not screwy with the computer until I get some method of tracking this better. If you edit: /etc/default/apport nd change enabled from "0" to "1", then when it crashes, the crash report should go to /var/crash and make a pop up that I'm not sure you'll be able to use to send the stacktrace in. The "apport-cli" command can submit reports from the command line using the files in /var/crash. It should find the crash file on its own. -- Mackenzie Morgan -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility-- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
force session to unity 2d?
Hi all I'm not sure how or why, but my default login session has been set to unity rather than unity 2d. Anyone know how to set it back? I've tried editing lightdm.conf to point to the ubuntu-2d session, but it seems to be completely ignoring that. I need to get this set back, since now the dash doesn't speak. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Updates of at-spi2, mousetweaks, and Orca in oneiric-proposed, please help with testing.
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Tom Masterson wrote: > Hi Luke > > I get an at-spi-registry segfault as soon as I log in to the computer under > xwindows. Seems to happen in gnome classic on this computer more that unity > but in unity I get unity segfaults. They appear to be happening in > libgcong-2. > > What do I need to do to track this down or get a meningful report to the > appropriate team. I of course can't guarantee that something is not screwy > with the computer until I get some method of tracking this better. If you edit: /etc/default/apport nd change enabled from "0" to "1", then when it crashes, the crash report should go to /var/crash and make a pop up that I'm not sure you'll be able to use to send the stacktrace in. The "apport-cli" command can submit reports from the command line using the files in /var/crash. It should find the crash file on its own. -- Mackenzie Morgan -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Updates of at-spi2, mousetweaks, and Orca in oneiric-proposed, please help with testing.
Hi Luke I get an at-spi-registry segfault as soon as I log in to the computer under xwindows. Seems to happen in gnome classic on this computer more that unity but in unity I get unity segfaults. They appear to be happening in libgcong-2. What do I need to do to track this down or get a meningful report to the appropriate team. I of course can't guarantee that something is not screwy with the computer until I get some method of tracking this better. Tom On Wed, 19 Oct 2011, Luke Yelavich wrote: Hey folks, So there are some more accessibility packages in oneiric-proposed that need testing. The bugs are as follows: 877817 - gnome-orca 877824 - mousetweaks 877840 - at-spi2-atk 877836 - at-spi2-core 877841 - pyatspi Similar to the instructions in the email about onboard the other day, please enable the oneiric-proposed repository, update the above packages, and test. These are GNOME stable updates, so we are not testing for any specific issues as such, but we want to make sure there are no regressions or other weird breakage, particularly with at-spi and Orca. The instructions can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EnableProposed When testing at-spi, please post results in all 3 at-spi related bugs, as it would be preferable if all 3 packages went through into updates at once. Thanks for your time. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Would somebody try to find The specific Linux kernel device driver for Me?
Dear syr, You are ammazing human beeing and excellent programmer. Many users and Ubuntu developers can be and will be prought on You also on future. I Am suggesting some of users and developers, if somebody would give ME a right direction, who would be able to develope such complex programmers think like CPU fan control for Toshiba satellite notebook and who would develope new kernel driver for The Atheros AR8152/8158 PCI-E Fast Ethernet Controller (NDIS integrated network cart. If there is better way to find more exact hardware specifications for this integrated network chip to help You during searching, if some kernel driver is allready developed? Or if there is some other procedure, which i would use to help some Linux kernel driver programmer to develope this driver from scratch if it will be necessary? I think, that if this kernel driver is not existing, there is big probability, that Atheros corporation did not allow Linux kernel developers to develope this driver, because company did not want to give kernel driver developers some pathented parts of their driver source code. If somebody of us will be able to find atleast non compiled source code of The Linux kernel driver for Atheros AR8152/8158 PCI-E Fast Ethernet Controller (NDIS network integrated chip, please let Me know about it, i will try to fight with The compilation and incorporation to The installed Ubuntu. I AM using Toshiba Satellite L650D laptop. Thank You very much for Yours answer. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: I begin working some A11y related little modifications for GNOME Control Center application, please review my first patch before I attaching a future bugreport the fix
Hy Janusz, Thank you, but I only doed yet one own full GTK based application (Orca Teacher), and I always learning, because very interesting the GTK programming. I am affected too with A11y related, because I using too Ubuntu releases with Orca screen reader. If we future more this type problems trying fixing and try helping easyest A11y developers work this easy fixes, any Ubuntu or GNOME releases is will be better and better for A11y related. Attila -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: I begin working some A11y related little modifications for GNOME Control Center application, please review my first patch before I attaching a future bugreport the fix
Dear syr, Very well done, ammazing programmers work, You are ammazing Python programmer and You are deeply understanding The GTK library procedures, methods and objects for drawing GUI of GTK compatible applications. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: A few more observations on ONeiric and Orca
When I switched to to classic on my work computer using the proposed at-spi-registry (at least I assume that is what is being used as I have that in my package sources) I am getting immediate at-spi-registry segfault messages and while suprisingly enough orca still reads my desktop itself it does not read any menus or otherwise. I can not restart orca. Help please. Tom On Fri, 21 Oct 2011, Jacob Schmude wrote: Hi all, Further to my previous observations, I have a few more. 1. Many of the toggle buttons in system settings are simply labeled "switch" and one must use Orca's review to see what exactly they do. Some examples are the Bluetooth visibility and enabled toggles, and the toggle settings in the Online Accounts preference page. This is a minor issue for the most part, however there seem to be random times when Orca's flat review will not work in these windows. If I discover a pattern to this, I'll let everyone know. 2. There seems to be no first letter navigation in the menu bar, that is, for any app that integrates with Unity's global menu bar. Is there a way to navigate these menus efficiently when you have a large one, such as my bookmarks in Firefox. I can't get first letter navigation to work nor does it seem to have a highlight-as-you-type mode akin to OS X. The only way I've been able to navigate these menus is with arrow keys alone. Has anyone else noticed this? Is there something I'm missing? 3. Sometimes Orca freezes and I have to manually go to a console and kill it. This has been an issue with Orca for ages, but I'd really hoped at-spi2/dbus would put a permanent end to it. It wouldn't be so bad in and of itself, but it seems to freeze the entire desktop along with it (meaning that I can't just hit my shortcut key to get it back), and it's not even considerate enough to log any relevant debug output even when the debug level is set to full :-(. Anyone else seeing these or have any advice? Thanks -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
I begin working some A11y related little modifications for GNOME Control Center application, please review my first patch before I attaching a future bugreport the fix
Hy Everybody, In GNOME Control Center application lot of preference tool dialogs unfortunately GNOME Developers not associated the labels with real widgets with mnemonic_widget property, or not associated the accessibility property for widgets need labels. The typical easy resolvable dialog part is the Power management preference tool dialog. I maked a little patch for the Ubuntu Oneiric compatible package version, but before I opening a bugreport and attaching a final patch for Launchpad or upstream level, an A11y developer please review I doed changes and write hints for proper acceptable fix related with future. This type fixes will be possible awailable for Oneiric-updates later, or only possible land for Precise? I attaching the patch, and the already modified UI file. If anybody want, easy testing the difference with Orca Screen Reader with following way: 1. Launch GNOME Control Center, and activate the power management related preference dialog. 2. Look what happening if you tabbing the dialog widgets. You not will be hear some label texts. 3. Close Power management preference tool, and if you want, put the modifyed power.ui file with the /usr/share/gnome-control-center/ui directory in your Oneiric system. Of course, before you doing this, do a backup copy the original file. 4. Repeat the prewious test. Hopefuly, you will be hear all missing important labels. Now I have possibility to test Power management preference tool only when the AC adapter are connected my laptop, if have more missing labels this preference tool, please write the label text me or this list. I not used now the mnemonic_widget property, because not remember when I working the fix possible associate more widgets this property with one equals label (I think the object name is label7). Very interesting, when I looked upstream version to make perhaps upstream level compatible patch with future, the lid close related label is missing the upstream UI file, or I not founded only this label. :-):-) I welcome working future this type fixes if I have enough free time for Precise development, but need determining what the best place this fixes: Ubuntu level or upstream level? I ask this, because for example GNOME Control Center related perhaps some UI files is different with two level if I see right. Attila Hibernate 3 True Shutdown 2 True Suspend 1 True Hibernate 3 True Do nothing 5 True Ask me 4 True Shutdown 2 True Suspend 1 True Hibernate 3 True 5 minutes 300 10 minutes 600 30 minutes 1800 1 hour 3600 Don't suspend 0 Suspend 1 True Hibernate 3 True Do nothing 5 True False False True False 12 12 True False vertical 9 True False 9 True False False True 0 True False On battery power False True 1 True False When plugged in False True 2 False True 0 True False 9 True False 1 Suspend when inactive for:
Re: A few more observations on ONeiric and Orca
I am finding that unity is somewhat unstable but I don't know what is affecting it. I had at least one freeze yesterday that required a system reboot as I could not find the particular application that caused it. I am finding quite a number of segfaults in my syslog as well as quite a few drm errors and constatnt connect and disconnect of acpid. I was not seeing those under Natty using classic. I am not seeing those on my other aptop using classic with oneiric. I am going to switch to gnome classic on the computer having issues this morning and see if it continues. I don't know if it is just certain packages, unity, orca or (most probably) some combination of the above. I tend to have pidgin and thunderbird open all the time for work and I know thunderbird in this iteration has issues. I also run either eclipse or have eclimd running but that is not consistent and does not seem to relate (errors happen with or without those. If anyone has any ideas where to start debugging these issues or where I should report them please let me know. I would like to see this setup work. Tom On Fri, 21 Oct 2011, Jacob Schmude wrote: Hi all, Further to my previous observations, I have a few more. 1. Many of the toggle buttons in system settings are simply labeled "switch" and one must use Orca's review to see what exactly they do. Some examples are the Bluetooth visibility and enabled toggles, and the toggle settings in the Online Accounts preference page. This is a minor issue for the most part, however there seem to be random times when Orca's flat review will not work in these windows. If I discover a pattern to this, I'll let everyone know. 2. There seems to be no first letter navigation in the menu bar, that is, for any app that integrates with Unity's global menu bar. Is there a way to navigate these menus efficiently when you have a large one, such as my bookmarks in Firefox. I can't get first letter navigation to work nor does it seem to have a highlight-as-you-type mode akin to OS X. The only way I've been able to navigate these menus is with arrow keys alone. Has anyone else noticed this? Is there something I'm missing? 3. Sometimes Orca freezes and I have to manually go to a console and kill it. This has been an issue with Orca for ages, but I'd really hoped at-spi2/dbus would put a permanent end to it. It wouldn't be so bad in and of itself, but it seems to freeze the entire desktop along with it (meaning that I can't just hit my shortcut key to get it back), and it's not even considerate enough to log any relevant debug output even when the debug level is set to full :-(. Anyone else seeing these or have any advice? Thanks -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: A few more observations on ONeiric and Orca
Hy, I see an another interesting issue: If I launch GNOME Control Center, choose keyboard layout preference tool and select a layout with layouts page, the awailable buttons are have perhaps only "button" label, or Orca only reading this label because not have setted the A11y related information this buttons. This is reproducable if you for example press a TAB key after selected a layout, and press LEFT or RIGHT arrows. This preference tool is only part of Ubuntu GNOME Control Center package, or part of the upstream 3.2 release too? I ask this, because I would like reporting this A11Y related bug for proper place and proper component for Precise related to perhaps will be fix this issue before Precise is releasing. Attila -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
A few more observations on ONeiric and Orca
Hi all, Further to my previous observations, I have a few more. 1. Many of the toggle buttons in system settings are simply labeled "switch" and one must use Orca's review to see what exactly they do. Some examples are the Bluetooth visibility and enabled toggles, and the toggle settings in the Online Accounts preference page. This is a minor issue for the most part, however there seem to be random times when Orca's flat review will not work in these windows. If I discover a pattern to this, I'll let everyone know. 2. There seems to be no first letter navigation in the menu bar, that is, for any app that integrates with Unity's global menu bar. Is there a way to navigate these menus efficiently when you have a large one, such as my bookmarks in Firefox. I can't get first letter navigation to work nor does it seem to have a highlight-as-you-type mode akin to OS X. The only way I've been able to navigate these menus is with arrow keys alone. Has anyone else noticed this? Is there something I'm missing? 3. Sometimes Orca freezes and I have to manually go to a console and kill it. This has been an issue with Orca for ages, but I'd really hoped at-spi2/dbus would put a permanent end to it. It wouldn't be so bad in and of itself, but it seems to freeze the entire desktop along with it (meaning that I can't just hit my shortcut key to get it back), and it's not even considerate enough to log any relevant debug output even when the debug level is set to full :-(. Anyone else seeing these or have any advice? Thanks -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
