Re: orca immediately quitting in login screen.

2012-05-04 Thread Petra Ritter

Hi,
Am 02.05.2012 19:29, schrieb Simon Eigeldinger:

hi,

can confirm that over here too.
don't know if this just happening since the update though but its
happenening.

greetings,
simon



The same to me.
First I thought it was because I rune Ubuntu 12.04 in VMware Player 4.0.2.
I have to test it on my notebook where I have in meenteme uptaated to 
Ubuntu 12.04.


Petra

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Re: orca immediately quitting in login screen.

2012-05-04 Thread Hammer Attila

Hy,

Not full sure this, but I experienced this problem first with Orca 
3.4.0, so I think this

problem is independent the proposed update.
I reported this issue with following report since april 2th:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/971316

Unfortunately Orca debug.out file not showing any interesting 
informations with help determining why happening this problem.


I not known few informations:
1. When Orca exiting in Unity greeter, still checked the screen reader 
support in A11y related indicator menu?
2. When this problem are happening, temporary doesn't changing the 
LightDm user screen reader related GSettings key value?
I think this is not happening, because if I logging in without screen 
reader support and log out, Orca launching fine without I need press 
CTRL+S keystroke.


Attila

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Re: orca immediately quitting in login screen.

2012-05-04 Thread Dave Hunt
The problem seems to have gone away as mysteriously as it first 
appeared.  Also, the lightdm password entry field now behaves as it 
should--orca says star for characters typed into it.



-D.  H.



On 05/04/2012 11:16 AM, Hammer Attila wrote:

Hy,

Not full sure this, but I experienced this problem first with Orca 
3.4.0, so I think this

problem is independent the proposed update.
I reported this issue with following report since april 2th:



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Unity-3D and accessibility

2012-05-04 Thread Nadine Ledwig

Hello,

I'm highly sight impaired,  and the last two years, I was used to  use 
ubuntu 10.4 with orca and the compiz plugins eZoom-Desktop  and 
negativeplugin.


Now, i installed ubuntu 12.04 on my desktop and I've some problems.
In unity-2d, dash and louncher works well, but i can not  zoom and 
invert colors.  Without that two features,  it is hard to use my 
computer for me.
In unity-3d, i configured that two plugins and it works well. But, dash, 
louncher, and the alt+tab task switcher  are not spoken by orca and not 
zoomed. That means, they are nearly unusable  for me.
I can only open the dash, starting to type and press enter, and hope the 
right application will start.


Is there an aditional package to make unity-3d accessible for orca? Or 
is it possible to use unity-2d in conjunction with compiz?




Hope for help,
Nadine


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Re: Unity-3D and accessibility

2012-05-04 Thread Pavarin Bhandtivej
Hi!
I found a solution for you here. Hope it helps!
http://ubuntuforums.org/printthread.php?t=1852041

Boat

On 4 ?.?. 2555, at 22:39, Nadine Ledwig nadine.led...@googlemail.com wrote:

 Hello,

 I'm highly sight impaired,  and the last two years, I was used to  use ubuntu 
 10.4 with orca and the compiz plugins eZoom-Desktop  and negativeplugin.

 Now, i installed ubuntu 12.04 on my desktop and I've some problems.
 In unity-2d, dash and louncher works well, but i can not  zoom and invert 
 colors.  Without that two features,  it is hard to use my computer for me.
 In unity-3d, i configured that two plugins and it works well. But, dash, 
 louncher, and the alt+tab task switcher  are not spoken by orca and not 
 zoomed. That means, they are nearly unusable  for me.
 I can only open the dash, starting to type and press enter, and hope the 
 right application will start.

 Is there an aditional package to make unity-3d accessible for orca? Or is it 
 possible to use unity-2d in conjunction with compiz?



 Hope for help,
 Nadine


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Re: Unity-3D and accessibility

2012-05-04 Thread Alan Bell

On 04/05/12 16:39, Nadine Ledwig wrote:

Hello,

I'm highly sight impaired,  and the last two years, I was used to  use 
ubuntu 10.4 with orca and the compiz plugins eZoom-Desktop  and 
negativeplugin.


Now, i installed ubuntu 12.04 on my desktop and I've some problems.
In unity-2d, dash and louncher works well, but i can not  zoom and 
invert colors.  Without that two features,  it is hard to use my 
computer for me.
In unity-3d, i configured that two plugins and it works well. But, 
dash, louncher, and the alt+tab task switcher  are not spoken by orca 
and not zoomed. That means, they are nearly unusable  for me.
I can only open the dash, starting to type and press enter, and hope 
the right application will start.


Is there an aditional package to make unity-3d accessible for orca? Or 
is it possible to use unity-2d in conjunction with compiz?




Hope for help,
Nadine


unity3d is somewhat accessible with orca, but as you note the dash and 
some other stuff isn't really working. Zooming doesn't work on the panel 
and launcher (except for the badly implemented and annoying top bar 
shadow . . .) because that is all drawn through the nux toolkit which is 
unaffected by any compiz transforms. I know this is really bad for a 
huge number of people with mild to moderate vision issues (almost 
certainly our largest group of users of assistive tools - basically 
anyone who might wear glasses and enjoy the large print section of the 
local library) and I will be raising this at the Ubuntu Developer summit 
next week.


unity2d with compiz might be a better strategy, and in fact unity2d with 
the Wayland compositor might be the real way forward, I have been 
talking to the wayland developers about accessibility including orca and 
zoom and text cursor tracking zoom and colour filters, it is important 
to get this stuff in as early as possible and designed in, rather than 
tacked on afterwards. With features like the HUD landing broken and the 
global menus all being checkbox menu items until we got the hint set 
right and the shortcut overlay being totally inaccessible it is clear 
that accessibility isn't being designed in early enough to new features 
and this is creating more unbudgeted work as people try to fix the 
broken stuff that was never designed to be accessible.


Alan.

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