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Re: XpLike Ubuntu again

2013-11-09 Thread Christopher Chaltain

This has not been my experience with the Linux community. I know the 
Linux community has a reputation of being a bunch of tech savvy nerds 
who have no patience for the new comer, but this has not been my 
experience as of late, and especially not in the accessibility community.


I wouldn't use the fact that no one else was familiar with this one 
flavor of Ubuntu as being an example of people being too wrapped up in 
their own flavor or distribution. In fact, I think it demonstrates just 
the opposite. This is a Ubuntu list and yet people were willing to talk 
about other distributions and flavors to try to help someone.


I think you'll find that it's more the norm than the exception to find 
people using Linux familiar with multiple operating systems, Linux 
distributions and Ubuntu flavors. After all, not many people started off 
on their computing experience with Linux, but rather came here from some 
other operating system. You'll find Linux mailing lists are littered 
with people who dual boot multiple operating systems or run other 
operating systems in virtual machines. You'll find this much more so on 
Linux related lists than you will on windows or Apple centric lists.


I know it's just anecdotal evidence on my part, but I actually find the 
Apple lists seem to be more full of misinformation about anything 
nonApple than other mailing lists. I say this as someone who's on a few 
Apple lists because I use and like my iPhone. Linux users may have some 
strong opinions from time to time, but it's usually based on some hard 
won experience or founded in some pretty strong technical reasons.


On 11/09/2013 12:56 AM, Gabe Vega - CEO Commtech LLC wrote:
Unfortunately you will get that with Linux users sometimes. It's 
either Linux or nothing, you bunches or nothing, this just show that 
distro or nothing, for some reason it is common to have that behavior 
in the Lenix community. Fortunately you have people like me, who use a 
variety of distro's operating systems and computer platforms too many 
in fact to actually stick to and be loyal to one. Do I favor one yes, 
and that is Mac OS but hey, what can I say. I also have Windows 
virtual machines, and Linux and , they all get the job done. And 
that's what is important. please note, I am speaking this message via 
my iPhone and Siri. If their spelling mistakes or word mistakes that 
you know or understand. Please take it for what it is, I apologize for 
not editing this message before sending.


Gabe Vega  - CEO
Commtech LLC
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Web: http://commtechusa.net
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On Nov 7, 2013, at 11:19 PM, Lenny > wrote:


this will be my last post on this, because either folks have no clue 
of what
I was asking about, or they are so wrapped up in their own flavor of 
Ubuntu
that the only advice I got was to try either a newer version, or try 
vinux.
I have extensively used Ubuntu, and it has gotten me out of binds 
with my
windows systems in the past, like saving data.  and I have tried 
vinux and I

prefer a clean Ubuntu to it.
but the Os of my choice is windows, XP, with all of its flaws.
Clearly there are Linux users out there like me, such that a distro of
Ubuntu was made to act like windows.
I guess I was barking up the wrong tree on this list with my quest 
for the

benefit of someone's experience of this distro of Ubuntu.
Thanks though.

Glenn


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Re: Arch linux, was XpLike Ubuntu again

2013-11-09 Thread Robert Cole

I believe that TalkingArch is probably the best way for a visually 
impaired individual to get started with a vanilla Arch Linux installation.


Being that this list is dedicated to Ubuntu Accessibility, though, I 
think that this discussion should be taken to another list for general 
Linux discussion.


The AccessibleFreedom Support list [1] would be a good place for such a 
discussion, and there are some visually impaired Arch users there who 
can shed more light onto this subject.


Take care.

REFERENCES:
[1] 
http://gator1140.hostgator.com/mailman/listinfo/support_accessiblefreedom.org

On 11/09/2013 04:11 PM, Andy B. wrote:

I wouldn't mind getting an arch layout going, but I fear the same... I break
it, and it dies forever. I would be lucky to get gnome 3.11 up and running
when it comes out... Is the best way to get started through talkingarch?


-Original Message-
From: ubuntu-accessibility-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com
[mailto:ubuntu-accessibility-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Cole
Sent: Saturday, November 9, 2013 2:39 PM
To: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: XpLike Ubuntu again

What an interesting history behind Linspire [1] and Freespire [2]
(Linspire's free branch). It was originally based off of Debian, but then it
shifted its base to Ubuntu. Linspire was bought out by Xandros [3] in 2008.
 From the Xandros Distrowatch page [4], it appears that it ships with KDE by
default. Also from the DistroWatch page, it appears that Xandros was
discontinued.

It is so amazing how much things have changed over the past few years.

I am looking forward to seeing what accessibility improvements Ubuntu
14.04 will have to offer. However, I would really like to get an Arch system
going as my primary operating system; I really like the whole "rolling
release" philosophy.. Sadly, I must admit that I am not too good at fixing
things when I break them.  That is my only concern.

Anyhow, I apologize if I have gone too far off of the primary focus of this
list.

Take care.

REFERENCES:
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linspire
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freespire
[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xandros
[4] http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=xandros

On 11/09/2013 02:19 AM, Storm Dragon wrote:

Hi,
I have heard of a Windows-Like distro. I believe it used to be called
Lindows, but because Microsoft got their panties in a bunch the name
was changed to Linspire. I have never tried it, buut I believe it is
Ubuntu based. If you do try it, I would be interested in knowing what
accessibility is like on it. Personally, I have not found a more
accessible distro than Arch Linux. It takes a bit to set up, but once
it is going it runs like a dream.
HTH
Storm
On Sat, Nov 09, 2013 at 01:14:24AM -0800, Robert Cole wrote:

I wish that I could be more help in this situation. Seeing that it
[XPLike Ubuntu] is based off of Ubuntu 11.04, I am guessing that it
was using something prior to GNOME Shell, something n the GNOME 2.x
cycle.

I have seen some distributions which try to present a Windows-like
desktop which use either cinnamon or KDE. While KDE is working to
improve upon its accessibility, I cannot say the same for Cinnamon.
The last I that I tried the Cinnamon desktop environment, it was only
fractionally functional with either magnification or with Orca.

Although not Linux based, I have over the years heard tidbits about
ReactOS [1], a free and open source operating system which has a goal
of being binary compatible with Windows NT-based applications..

As far as XPLike goes, it could be that some accessibility components
are missing. I found this to be the case when I tried to use Linux
Mint over a year ago.

I wish that I could be of more help to you.

Take care.

REFERENCES:
[1] http://www.reactos.org/
On 11/08/2013 10:56 PM, Gabe Vega - CEO Commtech LLC wrote:

Unfortunately you will get that with Linux users sometimes. It's
either Linux or nothing, you bunches or nothing, this just show that
distro or nothing, for some reason it is common to have that
behavior in the Lenix community. Fortunately you have people like
me, who use a variety of distro's operating systems and computer
platforms too many in fact to actually stick to and be loyal to one.
Do I favor one yes, and that is Mac OS but hey, what can I say. I
also have Windows virtual machines, and Linux and , they all get the
job done. And that's what is important. please note, I am speaking
this message via my iPhone and Siri. If their spelling mistakes or
word mistakes that you know or understand. Please take it for what
it is, I apologize for not editing this message before sending.

Gabe Vega  - CEO
Commtech LLC
The leader of computer support, training and web development
services
Web: http://commtechusa.net
Twitter: http://twitter.com/commtechllc
Facebook: http://facebook.com/commtechllc
Email: i...@commtechusa.net 
Phone: (888) 351-5289 Ext. 710
Fax: (480) 535-7649

On Nov 7, 2

Re: XpLike Ubuntu again

2013-11-09 Thread Robert Cole

What an interesting history behind Linspire [1] and Freespire [2] 
(Linspire's free branch). It was originally based off of Debian, but 
then it shifted its base to Ubuntu. Linspire was bought out by Xandros 
[3] in 2008. From the Xandros Distrowatch page [4], it appears that it 
ships with KDE by default. Also from the DistroWatch page, it appears 
that Xandros was discontinued.


It is so amazing how much things have changed over the past few years.

I am looking forward to seeing what accessibility improvements Ubuntu 
14.04 will have to offer. However, I would really like to get an Arch 
system going as my primary operating system; I really like the whole 
"rolling release" philosophy.. Sadly, I must admit that I am not too 
good at fixing things when I break them.  That is my only concern.


Anyhow, I apologize if I have gone too far off of the primary focus of 
this list.


Take care.

REFERENCES:
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linspire
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freespire
[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xandros
[4] http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=xandros

On 11/09/2013 02:19 AM, Storm Dragon wrote:

Hi,
I have heard of a Windows-Like distro. I believe it used to be called 
Lindows, but because Microsoft got their panties in a bunch the name 
was changed to Linspire. I have never tried it, buut I believe it is 
Ubuntu based. If you do try it, I would be interested in knowing what 
accessibility is like on it. Personally, I have not found a more 
accessible distro than Arch Linux. It takes a bit to set up, but once 
it is going it runs like a dream.

HTH
Storm
On Sat, Nov 09, 2013 at 01:14:24AM -0800, Robert Cole wrote:
I wish that I could be more help in this situation. Seeing that it 
[XPLike Ubuntu] is based off of Ubuntu 11.04, I am guessing that it 
was using something prior to GNOME Shell, something n the GNOME 2.x 
cycle.


I have seen some distributions which try to present a Windows-like 
desktop which use either cinnamon or KDE. While KDE is working to 
improve upon its accessibility, I cannot say the same for Cinnamon. 
The last I that I tried the Cinnamon desktop environment, it was only 
fractionally functional with either magnification or with Orca.


Although not Linux based, I have over the years heard tidbits about 
ReactOS [1], a free and open source operating system which has a goal 
of being binary compatible with Windows NT-based applications..


As far as XPLike goes, it could be that some accessibility components 
are missing. I found this to be the case when I tried to use Linux 
Mint over a year ago.


I wish that I could be of more help to you.

Take care.

REFERENCES:
[1] http://www.reactos.org/
On 11/08/2013 10:56 PM, Gabe Vega - CEO Commtech LLC wrote:
Unfortunately you will get that with Linux users sometimes. It's 
either Linux or nothing, you bunches or nothing, this just show that 
distro or nothing, for some reason it is common to have that 
behavior in the Lenix community. Fortunately you have people like 
me, who use a variety of distro's operating systems and computer 
platforms too many in fact to actually stick to and be loyal to one. 
Do I favor one yes, and that is Mac OS but hey, what can I say. I 
also have Windows virtual machines, and Linux and , they all get the 
job done. And that's what is important. please note, I am speaking 
this message via my iPhone and Siri. If their spelling mistakes or 
word mistakes that you know or understand. Please take it for what 
it is, I apologize for not editing this message before sending.


Gabe Vega  - CEO
Commtech LLC
The leader of computer support, training and web development services
Web: http://commtechusa.net
Twitter: http://twitter.com/commtechllc
Facebook: http://facebook.com/commtechllc
Email: i...@commtechusa.net 
Phone: (888) 351-5289 Ext. 710
Fax: (480) 535-7649

On Nov 7, 2013, at 11:19 PM, Lenny > wrote:


this will be my last post on this, because either folks have no 
clue of what
I was asking about, or they are so wrapped up in their own flavor 
of Ubuntu
that the only advice I got was to try either a newer version, or 
try vinux.
I have extensively used Ubuntu, and it has gotten me out of binds 
with my
windows systems in the past, like saving data.  and I have tried 
vinux and I

prefer a clean Ubuntu to it.
but the Os of my choice is windows, XP, with all of its flaws.
Clearly there are Linux users out there like me, such that a distro of
Ubuntu was made to act like windows.
I guess I was barking up the wrong tree on this list with my quest 
for the

benefit of someone's experience of this distro of Ubuntu.
Thanks though.

Glenn


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Re: XpLike Ubuntu again

2013-11-09 Thread Storm Dragon


Hi,
I have heard of a Windows-Like distro. I believe it used to be called Lindows, 
but because Microsoft got their panties in a bunch the name was changed to 
Linspire. I have never tried it, buut I believe it is Ubuntu based. If you do 
try it, I would be interested in knowing what accessibility is like on it. 
Personally, I have not found a more accessible distro than Arch Linux. It takes 
a bit to set up, but once it is going it runs like a dream.
HTH
Storm
On Sat, Nov 09, 2013 at 01:14:24AM -0800, Robert Cole wrote:
I wish that I could be more help in this situation. Seeing that it 
[XPLike Ubuntu] is based off of Ubuntu 11.04, I am guessing that it 
was using something prior to GNOME Shell, something n the GNOME 2.x 
cycle.


I have seen some distributions which try to present a Windows-like 
desktop which use either cinnamon or KDE. While KDE is working to 
improve upon its accessibility, I cannot say the same for Cinnamon. 
The last I that I tried the Cinnamon desktop environment, it was only 
fractionally functional with either magnification or with Orca.


Although not Linux based, I have over the years heard tidbits about 
ReactOS [1], a free and open source operating system which has a goal 
of being binary compatible with Windows NT-based applications..


As far as XPLike goes, it could be that some accessibility components 
are missing. I found this to be the case when I tried to use Linux 
Mint over a year ago.


I wish that I could be of more help to you.

Take care.

REFERENCES:
[1] http://www.reactos.org/
On 11/08/2013 10:56 PM, Gabe Vega - CEO Commtech LLC wrote:
Unfortunately you will get that with Linux users sometimes. It's 
either Linux or nothing, you bunches or nothing, this just show that 
distro or nothing, for some reason it is common to have that 
behavior in the Lenix community. Fortunately you have people like 
me, who use a variety of distro's operating systems and computer 
platforms too many in fact to actually stick to and be loyal to one. 
Do I favor one yes, and that is Mac OS but hey, what can I say. I 
also have Windows virtual machines, and Linux and , they all get the 
job done. And that's what is important. please note, I am speaking 
this message via my iPhone and Siri. If their spelling mistakes or 
word mistakes that you know or understand. Please take it for what 
it is, I apologize for not editing this message before sending.


Gabe Vega  - CEO
Commtech LLC
The leader of computer support, training and web development services
Web: http://commtechusa.net
Twitter: http://twitter.com/commtechllc
Facebook: http://facebook.com/commtechllc
Email: i...@commtechusa.net 
Phone: (888) 351-5289 Ext. 710
Fax: (480) 535-7649

On Nov 7, 2013, at 11:19 PM, Lenny > wrote:


this will be my last post on this, because either folks have no 
clue of what
I was asking about, or they are so wrapped up in their own flavor 
of Ubuntu
that the only advice I got was to try either a newer version, or 
try vinux.
I have extensively used Ubuntu, and it has gotten me out of binds 
with my
windows systems in the past, like saving data.  and I have tried 
vinux and I

prefer a clean Ubuntu to it.
but the Os of my choice is windows, XP, with all of its flaws.
Clearly there are Linux users out there like me, such that a distro of
Ubuntu was made to act like windows.
I guess I was barking up the wrong tree on this list with my quest 
for the

benefit of someone's experience of this distro of Ubuntu.
Thanks though.

Glenn


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Re: XpLike Ubuntu again

2013-11-09 Thread Robert Cole

I wish that I could be more help in this situation. Seeing that it 
[XPLike Ubuntu] is based off of Ubuntu 11.04, I am guessing that it was 
using something prior to GNOME Shell, something n the GNOME 2.x cycle.


I have seen some distributions which try to present a Windows-like 
desktop which use either cinnamon or KDE. While KDE is working to 
improve upon its accessibility, I cannot say the same for Cinnamon. The 
last I that I tried the Cinnamon desktop environment, it was only 
fractionally functional with either magnification or with Orca.


Although not Linux based, I have over the years heard tidbits about 
ReactOS [1], a free and open source operating system which has a goal of 
being binary compatible with Windows NT-based applications..


As far as XPLike goes, it could be that some accessibility components 
are missing. I found this to be the case when I tried to use Linux Mint 
over a year ago.


I wish that I could be of more help to you.

Take care.

REFERENCES:
[1] http://www.reactos.org/
On 11/08/2013 10:56 PM, Gabe Vega - CEO Commtech LLC wrote:
Unfortunately you will get that with Linux users sometimes. It's 
either Linux or nothing, you bunches or nothing, this just show that 
distro or nothing, for some reason it is common to have that behavior 
in the Lenix community. Fortunately you have people like me, who use a 
variety of distro's operating systems and computer platforms too many 
in fact to actually stick to and be loyal to one. Do I favor one yes, 
and that is Mac OS but hey, what can I say. I also have Windows 
virtual machines, and Linux and , they all get the job done. And 
that's what is important. please note, I am speaking this message via 
my iPhone and Siri. If their spelling mistakes or word mistakes that 
you know or understand. Please take it for what it is, I apologize for 
not editing this message before sending.


Gabe Vega  - CEO
Commtech LLC
The leader of computer support, training and web development services
Web: http://commtechusa.net
Twitter: http://twitter.com/commtechllc
Facebook: http://facebook.com/commtechllc
Email: i...@commtechusa.net 
Phone: (888) 351-5289 Ext. 710
Fax: (480) 535-7649

On Nov 7, 2013, at 11:19 PM, Lenny > wrote:


this will be my last post on this, because either folks have no clue 
of what
I was asking about, or they are so wrapped up in their own flavor of 
Ubuntu
that the only advice I got was to try either a newer version, or try 
vinux.
I have extensively used Ubuntu, and it has gotten me out of binds 
with my
windows systems in the past, like saving data.  and I have tried 
vinux and I

prefer a clean Ubuntu to it.
but the Os of my choice is windows, XP, with all of its flaws.
Clearly there are Linux users out there like me, such that a distro of
Ubuntu was made to act like windows.
I guess I was barking up the wrong tree on this list with my quest 
for the

benefit of someone's experience of this distro of Ubuntu.
Thanks though.

Glenn


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